Sir, give me a prophetic word.

olakunle5296:

8. He used to have a plastic eye that miraculously turned into a real eye under the prayers of Pastor W.F. Kumuyi

Dear brother, I've never heard this before neither can I find any sources that confirm it. Would you be able to point to a platform (a book, sermon etc) where he (or anyone else) shares this testimony?

Could you perhaps provide your email address?

donnie:

It is not private.

Brother, thank you for opening your heart to me. May the Lord bless and keep you.

donnie:


The truth I received.

Would you be able/willing to share what that was or is it a private matter?

donnie:


Not anymore.

I see... If I may ask; what made you leave?

donnie:

I'm not part of any so-called local assembly.

I thought you were part of Christ Embassy?

Hiswordxray:

Well, I will tell you the name of my local church when you tell me the name of the local church at Corinth, or the local church at Ephesus, or the name of the local church and Galatia

Brother in Christ, I think you maybe have a misconception regarding why I'm asking you this question. I'm not questioning or doubting your salvation sir... I was just wondering if you have a specific church you fellowship at. If you don't want to answer me then you are entitled to do so and I'll respect that.

There was no church at Corinth, Ephesus or Galatia but rather what you would have was a conglomeration of house churches in Corinth. So they didn't necessarily have names but you could somewhat identify them eg 1 Corinthians 16:19.

PS: Thank you for teaching believers to walk in a greater measure of the fullness of Christ. God bless you.

Hiswordxray:

And I said I am

Did you? Look, I'm not trying to mock you sir. I sincerely wanted to know if you're part of a local church body and if so what's the name of the church/fellowship?

Hiswordxray:

Did you see a "no" in that statement?

Sir, all I was asking was are you planted in any local church or body believers in your area?

Hiswordxray:

I am planted in Christ and his glorious body

Is that a no?

What church (if any) are you planted in sir?

Liftkid:
cc;


9. bilyonaire now deactivated

Deactivated by whom?

Maestro21:


Yes I have no proof. I just manufactured what I said. Happy?

Yes, sir, thank you very much. Enjoy your day.

Maestro21:


I am not here to discuss or cast bad light to any anointed minister. So I am not going to bring any proofs. If you are seeking truth and are a member of his church. Then ask around and find that truth yourself. I only brought that up to show someone else that there is a lot of emotionalism in the body of Christ.

Oh. So you have no proof? Why didn't you just say so

Maestro21:


Hope you know Ibiyeome criticises Pastor Chris to his congregation? Told them not to buy "power of the mind" when it came out and was even heard saying something about Pastor Chris' marriage. Yet, he copies Pastor Chris in ministration by trying to blow on people and what not. So is he fake?
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Sir that is very serious accusation that I refuse to believe without proof. Pastor David is mentored by Bishop Oyedepo and to the best of my knowledge would never attack any set man/specific ministry. Please provide evidence in the form of a video or tell me the date he made those remarks so I can look it up.

Righteousness89:
Get to DLBC Headquarters, you will see Pastor Kumuyi der...
He will be the Right one to give you Answers

Alright. You could've simply said "I don't know," and that would've sufficed. Thanks all the same though.

Righteousness89:
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The Only difference today is that of the Tv..and Pastor Kumuyi Ministering in other Churches

1. Why did he not minister in other churches?

2. What made him change his mind about this?

HigherEd:

From the little I know, only top management directs the jet. Example Bishop Oyedepo, his wife or Bishop Abioye. I would assume Pastor Oyedepo jnr could direct the jet since he is the Vice President 2.

But because Bishop Oyedepo or Abioye will have to travel with a host of other people on ministrations, many get the opportunity to ride with them. But those people can't summon the jet for personal use.

Abioye was previously assigned a private jet in Abj but i remember leke beecroft saying it that was sold off or something like that

As for where Abioye was going It would be somewhere in central Africa I believe. Most likely Congo D.R.C

Thanks... I guess by that logic Bishop Aremu probably uses it plenty as well...

HigherEd:
Bishop Abioye, The Vice President 1 of winners Chapel spotted in a private jet enroute a mission trip.

Lalasticlala

Does anyone other than the Bishop and the VPs use the jet?
And do you have any idea where he's headed?

HigherEd:

Bishop is smart and politically conscious. He knows if he puts a total stranger there hijacking is a probable event... When addjeman saw $60,000 monthly income way back in 2003 in Accra Ghana, he severed communication with the Nigerian church and hijacked the Ghanian branch... Now imagine branches in New York, London, UAE, Pretoria, Texas, Toronto etc and the wealth they control. Those sort of branches can lead a minister astray because you may start to wonder why you are serving a man in a third world country and have to remit most of those plenty money to Nigeria..

What was the conclusion of the whole Adjeman scandal?

CodeTemplar:
Some people aren't on a natural level but supernatural level.

Amen! That is very true, no doubt...
However do you not think that it is worth trying to understand the principles and even revelations that have set him on this course. I like to understand particularly spiritually things because it's the Holy Spirit behind them. Once you get what Pastor Adeboye calls "the spiritual mathematics" of an issue then you're set to walk in that very thing and this is what I want. No one would argue that the church growth experienced by both the RCCG and LFC are supernatural and yet both leaders still host church growth summits to reveal the inner workings of this supernatural power.

Brother, much more than just admiring men like the Bishop; I want to emulate them. This is why I'm humbly asking and enquiring of you, HigherEd and anyone else who might have more intimate knowledge. I simply want, for the glory of God, to replicate the good I see in men like the Bishop.

CodeTemplar:
Ooops....thought you were one of the potential haters oh.
The man works really hard I can tell you that.
One way to confirm that is during Shiloh gathering. Just attend any Shiloh gathering and hang around any of the pastors close to him, then monitor his activities from that vantage point. by 5 am he is up for covenant hour of prayer. and he stays there until 11:00 am.
between that time and 1:00 pm he is active in his office. Between 1:00 pm and 3:00 pm he is on pulpit again and between that time and the 7-11 pm evening service he is also in his office working. To crown it all after each day they(pastors) gather to give thanks again. In fact he sleeps less than 4 hours every day irrespective of whether Shiloh is on or not.
At times, when he is about to retire to his house for the day, he stops by to drive around The campus(CU) and pray on wheels for some hours.
The man works more than most machines and I put it around 18-19 hours a day.

Not a problem, sir.
Don't you think that less than 4 hours is far too little, even for the Bishop? My understanding is that he works the same amount everyday and so when would he ever have time to spend with his wife and the rest of his family?
I would've thought that he drinks coffee or some sort of stimulant to help him stay awake but I've heard him debunk that theory. My question then is, how does he do it? What's his secret?

HigherEd:


1) well my initial opinion about oyedepo was based on the slapping incidence some years ago. But my visit to CU made me understand that oyedepo is very principled for an individual...

2)The other opinion was that his ministry was too much about money. I found this not to be true. The ministry takes just one offering per service. The wealth of the Church has been a product of good management not extortion

3). I only lived in canaanland during the duration of my academic stay in CU. Once I graduated from CU there was no need to continue staying in canaanland.

Thank you for humouring . I'm a keen admirer of the Bishop and the way he conducts himself but alas, I'm not Nigerian and so I've never had the opportunity to see him. I don't have an overwhelming desire to see him but I certainly envy people who get to learn from him firsthand.

Then ofcourse, there's my fascination with some of the things he has said...I once heard him say he is 'actively engaged for 16 hours a day, everyday," and I've always wondered what exactly he means by that statement and how much sleep that might mean he gets. I don't mean to bore you with the ramblings of my mind though. I just noticed that you seemed to know quite a bit about the man and was wondering how that came to be.

I know some people fall in love with the concept of the man but I'm more interested in what makes him who he is... Why is he so productive, how's he so focused, how does he spend his time, how does he balance pastoring hundreds of thousands with being a family man and running world class institutions at the same time. What a man!

Once again, thank you brother. I'd still like the link to the original source of this Kenneth Hagin excerpt, if possible.

HigherEd:

Oh ok. I would get baback to u in a few hours tims

I'd appreciate that...
While you're at it, I'd still like to get some answers to questions I asked a while ago on a previous thread about Bishop Oyedepo:

1. What changed your mind about the Bishop?

2. What issues did you have with his 'brand of Pentecostalism'?

3. Why did you leave Canaanland?

greatnaija01:
Junia’s testimony in Romans 16:7.
read the entire chapter so you can be sure that WOMEN can be Apostles

How does that prove Junia was an Apostle?

@HigherEd I'm assuming this is an excerpt from one of his books... If so, could you please provide the book's name or a link to the original article.

Omudia11:
Didn't read your long epistle. Have a good day.

Wasn't expecting you to, sir. I know you have neither the intellectual rigour nor comprehension capacity to do so. Continue waging the war against logic. They say ignorance is bliss so I'm sure your small mind has been having a good day .

, okay sir, no need to get emotional.
You're shifting the goal posts by moving the point of disagreement being that the OP premised that Sinach's success is due to her singing in English and now adding in a different number of variables such as talent, marketing etc.

The fact that you only know one of Tope Alabi's songs says more about you than the success of her as a Gospel artist. I won't even humour the ludicrous the "planets out of her league," comment with a response.

I mentioned that Hillsong are from Australia because you were (not for the first time) making the ad hominem argument that I only know artists from Nigeria and America.

I know plenty of Gospel artists that don't sing primarily in English but didn't see the need to mention them as that would've made for fallacious argument(something you seem to have no qualms about). Moreover, don't mistake the fact that you don't know any to mean that there aren't any successful ones out there. Like I said, I could name quite a lot right off the top of head.

Nevertheless, your infantile attempts at holding together a coherent argument in the apparent hopes of proving your intellect were entertaining to see. At least you realized you were just running around circles 'repeating yourself' without really saying anything of substance. Maybe try harder next time .

@Omudia11

Now you're shifting the goal posts. The OP said the maim reason behind the Sinach's success is that she sings in English instead of 'limiting' herself to Igbo. The mere fact that you agree is that it isn't language choice alone shows that you've applied more reasoning than the OP. Thus, there is no need to further discuss this.

Oh, and by the way, the only reason I used Nigerian and American artists was for the sake of the argument (although Hillsong is actually Australian, but I digress). Nothing to ponder on there.

I know many artist who can only dream of reaching Tope Alabi's success even though you claim she is limiting herself.

And finally, it is a big misconception that most of Sinach's views are from foreigners. Part of her great success is that CE (understandably) does so much to propagate her music. I've been in the comment section and know what I'm talking about. Moreover, like I've already said; Sinach herself has already attributed her great success to what she's learnt under the teaching ministry of Pastor Chris not singing in English. I prefer taking it from the horse's mouth than that of anyone else.

@Omudia11

echepops:


Finally someone agrees with me. Bless you

Well, I might not agree with him but he's at least justifying his stance with logic whereas you expected all of us to agree with your unsubstantiated claims. That's weak, I was expecting more from you.

I wasn't seeking to imply that Tope Alabi is comparable in terms of global fame to Hillsong... that would be ridiculous. The point I was making is that someone doesn't live or die by the language they sing in. Talent always shines through.

You should go checkout Frank Edward's interview where he recalls the first time he met Don Moen... He says Don Moen told him (Edwards) that he's been following his career and is a big fan of his music. That's coming from an American. The reason why some of the indigenous Gospel songs might be failing is marketing. As anointed and talented as Jesus Culture is, they market their product well. Same goes for Sinach, her management team works very hard to promote her music. There's a reason she has so many views as you've said and it definitely isn't because of using English as most of those views are from Nigerian who don't consider English their 1st language.

By the way, have you considered that there are probably more artists that use English than not and yet a Frank Edwards or Tope Alabi is still probably more popular both nationally and on a global scale.

PS: I'm only looking at Gospel artists as I don't listen to secular musicians and wouldn't be able to verify any of the things you've said about them.


@Omudia11