@Rica

thanks man for exercising all the patience required to explain Gods position on many of this matter to the folks on the forum.

@Ivvie,

i know you think you know, but please let not pride prevent you from really listening to Rica.  hes speaking advanced God's word, and it will really benefit you to listen.

about your recorded exploits, just fashi all of that. i am not impressed in the least. somebody died, somebody got lost etc is all nonsense. you definitely are not more spiritual than Stephen. he was stoned to death, all the while saying prayers that eventually resulted in the salvation of Paul. what about Peter? James nko? they were all persecuted now, and we didnt hear that they did spiritual magic to kill their oppressors. if God didnt kill the oppressors of the apostles, how come initiators of your own light afflications are dying off and getting lost? are you sure it is God? are you sure youre not allowing the devil to kill off people that God is trying hard to save?

cursing someone and seeing the person die is not a sign of spirituality, it is a sign of childishness and working with the devil, either knowingly or unknowingly.

if you think those your account will make ppl afraid of you or respect you, i tell you it is all absolute nonsense!!!  it simply shows that you do not know God enough. if you did, you would have realised that such manifestations do not emaniate from him.

but i know you are sincere, and truly wnat to serve God. so please read the whole of Romans and Galatians again. Slowly, and with an open mind and you will see what God will reveal to you afresh.

Stay blessed brother.

somehow, i think jcross has confused himself. hes in the process of confusing the rest of us now.

the bible was written by men.

men are fallible.

they are imperfect.

they are weak.

but these ones were inspired of God.

So basically, the bible is a compendiuim of instructions and literature, inspired by god being narrarted by imperfect men.

some inconsistency of words may be found here and there, by the purpose and essence of god's word is rock solid consistent throughout.

noone can get to the father except through jesus. god will always forgive the sinner when he sees genuine repentance and the aknowledgement of Jesus as lord. the devil is evil. love is a perfect way, and so on and so forth.

dont forget that the entire life of Jesus christ was predicted by Isaiah and many others at least 480 years before he was born, including where he would be born, where he would seek refuge, where he would grow up, what he would preach, how he would be tried, who will try him, how he would be killed, that he would resurrect.

if that is not by the inspiration of the Almighty, what is it?

the fact is that man is an imperfect vessel. some inconsistencies must be visible in the process of his narrating what god told or showed him but if you because of that miss the essence of god's purpose, it is your loss.

najayi:

Watch out of what you say about men of God, always remember that whatever you pass to them is pass to God'cos they are God's representatives, be careful. Matthew 25 : 1-end refers to where Jeus said anything you do to the least of yhese ones, you've done it to me. Be careful, Christmas is coming, do not enter into the New-Year with curses upon your head and your famil;y. Even if they are not there to hear what you're saying concerning them, God hears you. Remember, Aaron and Mariam that talked to Moses anyhow, see whwt happened to Mariam, pls. do not be another Aaron or Mariam. God bless you and good night.

Najayi, i agree with you that the rhetorics of KunleOsob are too jagged and thorny. maybe he is not one of those reverend christians thatv are very schooled in the ways of the church. but, , Najayi, just try and listen to him, a little and consider what he says without being impulsively defensive.

i know where you are. ive been there before. been born again for over 25 years. i know what am talking about. many christians are in deep boundage to the spirit of fear, unleashed upon them by their pastors so noone can ever question their authorities, including how they spend money and meddle in ppls lives. they are so quick to cite Abijah, mariam and the rest that talked against moses. but you see, reproving a man of God when he is wrong is not wrong. in fact it is doing the body of christ a favour. trying to usurp the authority of god and playing politics with gods family or work is what those guys did that made god angry.

if your pastor is stealing the 'house of god' and the congregation blind, what do you mean pray for him? someboby should kick his backside and extend him a slapping hand of fellowship. lol. am not saying go violent, but am saying you cant just continue to sweep all things under the rug and keep following.

many of these guys are thieves! but you folks are too scared to let yourselves discorver they are thieves. you keep following them cos you are too scared to check.

many things that Oyedepo says nad does are not scriptural. many of the things are totally against the plans and purposes of god. you gat to keep your eyes open bo. if he threatens anybody with death for 'mocking' his words(personally) or even anything that sounds close to that, i will tell you categorically that that was the spirit of the devil speaking. the spirit of God doesnt kill or threaten like that.

bottom line! read the bible yourself and discorver the character of God. Dont follow any of these guys like a sheep to the slaughter.

these folks are men. they are fallible.

discorver God. follow God.

[b]Tudor, i am usually on the other side of you when we are talking theism, atheism and others stuffs like that but on this one, i side with you.

This people are collosally daft!!! mindless!!!! gullible !!!! what again? , silly!!!!![/b]!

thanks Earthcall!

at first i couldnt even understand the narration, cos i didnt know there was any actual person that goes by the name Queen of Sheeba.

Listen people, all of you that want to attack me, i am a christian like most of you. born again for more that 20 years. i say this not to boast, but to let you that i know what am talking about. All that talk about Queen of Sheeba QOS running away in trepidation at the sight of oyedepo is pure rubbish! bladderdash! if QOS is an actual person, then she is no phantom,. she is not a demon, or a falling angel. she is a person. just a person. what is all that talk about her being the Queen of witches, etc. if there any proof of this slanderous claim? and even then so what? you think her presence or absence in the country means anything? havent you heard that we wrestle not against flesh and blood? People!!!

Somehow it suits oyedepo and all the gullible ppl following him blindly to promote the line of thot in that narration, but in all probability, the poor woman is just another poor royalty somewhere, not any worse that all the other royals around the world trying to take their steps towrds global relevance.

that Oyedepo put this on his website, is a shame, and makes me wonder at him and his level of knowledge again.

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wrote:


Pastor Chris, has the Holy Spirit without Measure, I think he is a real man of GOD


oooooooh boy!!!!!! you dey craze? how could you say that?
this is why are so afraid of you people!!!! Holy Spirit without measure? Do you know what that means? it means he is Jesus Christ himself!

tell me, did he say that about himself? please i need to know. please reply this. abeg.

did he say that about himself abi na just you wey talk am?

abeg.

Pk001:

He is a Blessing to our world and Our Generation. He gave my life a meaning

if hes the one that gave your life a meaning and not Jesus, Bo, youre lost o. and that meaning wey you think you get na lie.

Too many of you folks are just plain silly.

How can you base your faith or theology on some person's experience? you do that and you may end in hell yourself. we can only measure God and life by the word of God in the scriptures. God is bound by his words. he doesnt just do anything, so all this talk about Bims being in hell is all bladderdash to me. check out the requirements for heaven in Rom 10:9-10. she fulfilled them. shes in heaven.

now am not saying that obadare is lying. he probably saw what he says he saw, but how do i know what things are influencing his vision? deeply entrenched psychological positions? drug induced halucillations?, psychosis?  we just cant build theology out of his experience. he may not be lying, but be very wrong, as he is in this case.

Besides, all the ppl close to Bims while on earth for example know that she never wore mini skirts. so she couldnt have made those statements.

forget personal experiences. stick with what the word of God says.

for example, Aloy~Emaka posted this.


Finally, my imam told me today that he saw Abacha in heaven  while performing hajj in his dreams.  Abacha told said to him" my brother, na here they say make I come o. They say its because my belle was big in the world so they better put me near the bar and kitchen in this heaven. I dey shack with st Peter, Solomon, st Paul, Mohammed and many of our home boys;  theresa is our cook here and she can cook isiewu and nkwobi very well'. Go and tell other politicians to forget about that nonsense millions they are carrying and die so they can come and enjoy apples and Indian  strippers  with me here."

will you believe this too?

but were talking about almighty god. prove the non existence of that one

i agree with you that the gods of all man made religions all false!!!!!!!

at least in this, we agree

aletheia:


3. What do you make of this statement: An atheist is one who believes there is no God(s)

it has to be defined as such for one good reason. In spite of all their glorification of empiricism, an atheist still has to believe that there is no God because he cannot prove the same.

frankly for a doubter, agnostism is a sensible position to hold. you say youre not sure. youre waiting for further proof or so. but an atheists position is down right stupid, and yet arrogant in the stupidity. he says he know for certains that there is no god, yet he cannot prove it. at the end of the day, he still has to resort to belief. pleeease!

tired!!!! cant continue tonight. will resume tomorrow.

sauer:

Belief doesn't do much to the enlightened senses. You can very well believe anything, even if there is no basis for such beliefs. You really have just shot yourself in the foot! Y'all make no sense at all when you say you believe. I know a guy who believes that every day at 2pm a man comes out of the sun to Berlin, walks about naked and fcuks as many bitches as he can, and then leaves at exactly 9pm  
So?
Believe whatever! The question is "does it fit"? I bet you can't answer that question. Give me a good reason why you are a christian (which I suppose you are) and have these cheap christian beliefs outside of being born into a christian family or associating with christians from birth.

fu(k beliefs. Get real!

the problen Sauer is that belief equals faith, and faith doesnt claim to be intelligent. in fact it claims to be stupid. but stupid doent always equate to wrong or false. it at best will be berated to 'abitrary' or 'non scientific'! but there are many phenomena in the world that cannot be explained away by science. so? science doesnt answer all the questions of life evidently. u but atheists in the bid to look intelligent, claim that it does.

sure a man can believe anything. i believe there exists an almighty god. my conjecture is based on faith. can you prove that wrong with the logic of science? you are the ones that cling to the deification of science so the onus is on you to prove my faith wrong. the point is you cannot, except you are omniscient.

are u?

sauer:


You question the truth behind morality. I ask again: If you didn't have the man with the big fat beard in the sky watching your every move, what would you have become alone? A serial killer? A rapist? A ritualist?
Why then do you cling so much to this god?
Note: It pays to be good, because good is good, and not because big brother is watching,

what is morality in the absence of God? our morals will be at best distorted and self serving. machieavellian and grotesque!! why wont i cheat if i can get away it in the absence of the morality and goodness that god puts in my heart? the fact is that there would be no standdards upon which to measure any actions and i will with my little knowledge rationalise all my choices away!!!! 

note: not me as a person, but that is how the natural human will behave. Darwins theory supports this.

oh Sauer,

your reciprocation of my quote make no sense at all as believers dont say they can prove that there is God. they say they believe there is God.

Atheists say do not say they so not believe he does not exist, they say they have emperical basis upon which to deduce he does not exist as if it is a scientific fact.

that is why my quote became relevant. check for my earlier post so you can understand the basis.

davidylan et all

please get back on course.

all this is nonsense. it is not the bible or christianity on trial here . it is the concept of the existence of God.

cut the bible jabber!!!!!

look guys there is no point in all this bible quoting and analysis.

as self professesd atheists, sebi you sha do not believe in the bible. you do not have enough knowledge about it, so the best you can do is muddle everything up and down and then feel good about having scored cheap directionless goals. please leave that side as you are not equipped to understand.

get back to the point!!!!

you say logic and premise are the foundations of your own orientations abi? please prove to us that you are omniscient, and that all knowledge is convergent in your persons. that is the only time that you can say that there is no god.

as quoted by Aletheia, i repeat again.  An atheist, to be consistently assured that his belief is accurate, must also claim to be omniscient, for there always exists the possibility of the existence of God outside his knowledge".

prove that me your omniscience! that all knowledge and ability resides in you and i will know that you can know that there is no god. in the absence of you being able to do that, all your logic is just baseless jabber.

hmmmmm

You atheists are simply insufferable, and you Tudor especially. 9jaganja, nature is nature simple.

Aletheia has consistently floored you with the strength of his logic and the illuminations in his analogies but I guess pride, which atheism really is, does blind.

You cannot ask the believer to prove that there is God, because the believer never claims that the concept of God’s omniscience can be empirically proven. He never claims that the strength of his conviction is predicated on the vagaries of scientific understandings of any particular age. He says ab initio that the concept of an almighty god must stem from faith. For those who have a problem grasping the concept of faith, the bible even manages to insert there somewhere a 'definition for dummies' to borrow a friend’s words. Check Hebrews 11:1

You are the ones that claim that there is no God. You are the ones that exalt the deification of science ( which keeps changing forever) as the only infallible basis upon which all truths are to be measured. So prove to us that God does not exist.!!!!

Aletheia posited: An atheist, to be consistently assured that his belief is accurate, must also claim to be omniscient, for there always exists the possibility of the existence of God outside his knowledge".

We are not trying to prove to you that god exists. We believe he does. We allude our conviction of his existence to faith. You say faith is lame, that he doesn’t exist. PROVE IT. At best you will rigmarole through a series of open ended logics that make deductions by exclusions as Aletheia presented for you in his earlier arguments. The point is that you cannot know enough to prove God doesn’t exist. Not because you are not sharp but for the same reasons why it is impossible for an ant on a molehill in Sarangeti to hypothesize, prove or disprove the details about the life forms at the bottom of the Pacific ocean. Your knowledge and resources are just too inadequate. Can this ant now say that since he has never seen a body of water deeper than 2 feet, and since the Sarangeti is such a wide desert that extends ‘almost forever’, that the concept of an eight armed, soft bodied invertebrate with 2 hearts living hundred of feet below vast volumes of water is ridiculous? How much can it know? How much can you know?

To say categorically that God doesn’t exist, you arrogate yourself to an all knowing entity. Can you tell me what is going on right now on Alpha Centauri, a star 25 light years away? How much do you know? How much can you know?

In an attempt to cut you a slack, Aletheia suggested maybe you can declare yourself an Agnostic. If you don’t know the meaning, check it up. You may find it more appealing.

Believers are not averse to scientific logic. They simply understand the limits of it.

Tudor et al.

really i aint got the time to get all polemical with you guys, but look, one day, when you get to your wits ends and you realise you need salvation, if you can get humble enough to call on the name of jesus and actually believe in him to save you, he will save you.

message delivered. aint got time for much more. outta here. peace.

_{Your God is an egocentric sadist, then.}

@michelin89,

call him what you want. you say it is being egocentric, i say it is being self repecting.

you cant expect to flaunt every one of his rules, resregard him, disrespect him, align with him enemies and then whenever its convenient for you, even without asking him have him flying down like an attention starved superhero and smothering you with kisses. he has general good that he showers on all humans. but if you want special goodness, youve got to call on him man.

to expect otherwise is to be unrealistic and actually be egocentric

@ Tudor, Atheist and the others, am sure you think that saying there is no God or ridiculing those who believe in him somehow makes you look cool and intelligent. the answer is sorry! it doesnt. it just makes most of us feel sorry for you.

like many have already said, let me say again.  God was there when Hitler was killing the Jews, he was there when Taylor was cutting off childrens arms and he was there when you were breaking the hearts of those beautiful girls. the point is, he doenst save promiscuously. if you believe in him and call on him, he will save you.

very funny