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poshdiva: What if It's aim is to give the younger and fresh graduates a chance?
Let's look at it this way, a 32 year old graduate who was previously employed and has work experience and a 24 year old fresh graduate who has no work experience apply for the same job which does not 'discriminate' based on age. The 32 year old graduate has a greater chance of being picked. Where the firm now has a restriction on age, there is a higher chance of those graduates having the same qualifications or around the same qualifications.


I still don't agree with the poster though!

fresh and younger graduate? It seems u are still in school, majority of Nigeria, graduate between the age of 24-26, due to some economy reasöns, like Jamb, ASUU etc, plus the compulsory one year service, for those that have a spill-over (extension) d story is different, with these factors, how many Nigerians do u think will meet the age requirement set by most firms.

AjanleKoko: It might be more informative if you showed us a constitutional provision that prevents any employer from discriminating against any job-seeking Nigerian on the basis of age. Else, there is no point to your argument.

i try my best...why not continue the research from here

alpha conde: So you want to float association of united jobless nigerians

It can also be the biggest political party in africa

HAHAHAHAHAH...no buddy..i just want an alliance, but an association wont be bad....wat do u think

Izon-tubo:
You're correct bro.....but just how do we go about it......

If you ask me...I'd say REVOLUTION!!!!.......

let write a letter to the minister of labour, which will be sign by millions of jobbers in Nigeria...will can also used the power of social media to spread this message to the whole of Nigeria.

We can only achieve dis through unity, how i wish all jobbers can b united and say no to al dis bad practices.

thunderclap: op u no try

i just check ur profile, it seem u av b n nairaland 4 5yrs nd ur thread av neva make it 2 frontpage.
I pass u bro

idnoble135: The first and second event as mentioned above is touching. I wonder how that teacher would feel when he heard that the student he said that to is now the world's richest man.
Never judge a tree by one season.

dönt b decieve buddy, tinx r nt wat they seem, b4 u celebrate d glory, try and find out d story. U dont pick world changing ideas on the street. Im a free thinker, dont add meaning to my post

avalontony: you are on point, but i guess a lot of people will disagree with you. federal and state higher institution are not helping matters at all.

on wat ground do u thnk they wil disagree wth my opinion

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cigie: I'm in the process of applying for this job. I am currently serving...to pass out this october. Is it advisable that I admit that I am still serving? I fear they might not consider me if I state that I'm still serving (they actually asked).
Nlanders please I need your candid advice.

buddy i wil advise u open a thread on dis to get a wider view, bt if there is any1 here who is gud wth guiness applicatn/interview time frame, pls kindly contribute. Thks

It is a usual practice by recruiting organizations to specify age requirements as part of their eligibility criteria. In most vacancies the maximum age for entry level applicants is usually pegged at 27/28 and in some ridiculous circumstances 24/25. After consulting the 1999 Constitution I discovered that this practice is unconstitutional as it is a form of discrimination.
Section 42 subsection 2 states that “No citizen of Nigeria shall be subjected to any disability or deprivation merely by reason of the circumstances of his birth”. Ladies and gentlemen your date of birth and hence your age is a circumstance of birth so also is your sex and ethnicity. Employers have been getting away with this constitutional violation because nobody has challenged the practice rather people go about doctoring their ages so as to meet up with these ridiculous age requirements.

The following are the only jobs that the constitution has placed age restrictions and these jobs are mostly electoral office positions;
1) President ; must be 40 years old...section 131 subsection 2b
2) Vice president; same as that of the president... section 142 subsection 2
3) Senator; must be 35 years old...section 65 subsection 1a
4) House of representative; must be 30 years old... section 65 subsection 1b
5) Governor ; must be 35 years old...section 177 subsection 1b
6) &nbspeputy Governor; ; same as that of the Governor... section 187 subsection 2
7) Members of the house of assembly; must be 30 years old... section 106 subsection 1b

Other jobs include state commissioners and special advisers to governors (which have the same requirements as those of members of the house of assemble) and ministers and special advisers to the president of the federation (which have the same requirements as those of the House of Representatives).

Ladies and gentlemen, taking into account our erratic educational system with its numerous strikes, most students especially those in federal and state higher institutions end up graduating in their mid twenties and when you then factor in the one year NYSC and the waiting period of prospecting for jobs (which could range from months to years) you will notice that a significant number of graduates would have exceeded the maximum age limits placed by prospective employers.

Dear naija jobbers, the wind of change is blowing and we should not just sit and watch our rights been trampled upon and I think now is the time to act. In developed countries you will be prosecuted if you dare place age requirements for any job vacancy.

I do not want to lie about my age because it is not a crime and I shouldn’t be made to suffer for it.

God bless you all.


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Guinness Nigeria Plc Recruits Graduate HR Trainees
Guinness Nigeria Plc - Diageo Africa operates in over 40 markets across Africa through various business models including publicly quoted companies, joint ventures & licensed brewing
entities. We produce & distribute premium drinks from right across the Diageo portfolio such as Guinness, Johnnie Walker, Baileys and Smirnoff. We are also home to growing local brands such as Malta Guinness, Harp and exciting new innovations like SNAPP.
With over 5000 employees working across Supply & Demand we put a significant investment behind our people agenda to ensure that Africa is truly Best Place to Be. We are also proud of the contributions we make in the communities in which we operate both economically and socially, for example our commitment to provide safe access to drinking water to 1million people each year.

Structure
On the Pan Africa Graduate programme our ‘real job’ philosophy ensures you will benefit from authentic experiences designed to accelerate your career development. You will build your expertise and knowledge by completing three 12-month rotations within your chosen discipline and there may be opportunities to spend one of these rotations in a different African market.

Job Title: Graduate HR - Nigeria (Batch 2)
Ref No.: 37923BR
Job Description
Support and Development

The three-year programme includes both functional training and leadership development. Functional training helps you gain the skills, knowledge and experience that will form the foundation of your career with Diageo. Meanwhile, we help you build your leadership expertise so you can encourage thinking, stimulate people and drive change.
In addition, there are "connect and development" events each year, which will help you raise your profile in the company and learn from some of our most experienced leaders.
You'll also spend time with our sales force, out in the field, to increase your commercial awareness - it's vital that every graduate understands our brands, our customers and the way we sell. There will be opportunities for you to explore other avenues for development at regular reviews with your line manager.

Requirements

Minimum of Second Class (Upper Division) or equivalent, with an excellent academic record. You must have genuine interest in working within the Human Resources field
Diageo focus - understands our values and is passionate for what we stand for
Forward thinking, solution focused and great appetite for learning
Commercial acumen.
Leadership qualities - ability to influence.
No more than two (2) years post NYSC experience
Talented , ambitious , enthusiastic people who are striving to be the best
Great energy, drive and can-do attitude
Great interpersonal skills and team player
Strong communication skills - verbal and written

How to Apply
Interested and qualified candidates should:

Click http://bishopjoe..com/2013/08/guinness-nigeria-plc-recruits-graduate.html for the application link

Application Deadline 7th August, 2013

MERLIN Season 7:

In a land of
Bokoharam & the time of
Fuel subsidy + ASUU strike. The
Destiny of a great
nation rest on the shoulder of a
confused President. His
Name.....? Abeg finish am,
my bb don hang!!!

dasparrow: @Post

I am sad to hear this

same here broda, r u frm Edo

The Nigeria Power Lifting Federation (NPLF) has confirmed the death of Joy Onaolapo, a 52kg Paralympian gold medalist at the London 2012 Paralympics.

The Head Coach of the federation, Are Feyisetan, told the News Agency of Nigeria in Lagos that Onaolapo’s death was made known to the federation on July 26.
Feyisetan said that the federation had yet to be fully briefed on the cause of the death of the athlete, who was with the Edo State Sport Council.

“What we know so far is that Onaolapo, married with two children, died last week in her home state, Edo,’’ Feyisetan said.



May her soul RIP, Amen.


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Key Account Manager at Airtel Nigeria - West Region
Airtel Nigeria (Airtel Networks Limited), a leading mobile telecommunication services provider in Nigeria and a member of Airtel Africa Group, is committed to providing innovative, exciting, affordable and quality mobile services to Nigerians, giving them the freedom to
communicate, rise above their daily challenges and drive economic and social development.

Job Description
Responsible for the implementation, acquisition & retention strategy for prospective and existing accounts in sector of assignment

Responsible for the acquisition & retention of prospective and existing corporate, government and non for profit organization in the zone
Create opportunities to run presentations of our Corporate products to sector of assignment
Drive the sale and activation of all relevant products across the corporate and government sector
Grow the usage of Corporate products in across the corporate and government sector
Create exceptional opportunities to sell special products like Cloud, Devices, Blackberry’s and data cards in the sector

Responsible for analysis of competitor’s activities as well as relevant market development and proposing pre-emptive counter measures

Monitor the activities of competition and develop or recommend counter measures to win competition

Responsible for evolving account development plan and relationship management process for accounts in sector of assignment guided by the signed service level agreement.

Develop good relationship management processes with both existing accounts and prospective customers.
Maintain an account development plan and data base of customer within the sector including action plan to increase Airtel CMS and RMS within the sector

Responsible for the weekly and monthly reports on subscribers activities, bill delivery and collection in the corporate and government sector

Report timely, of all initiatives, potential prospects, queries, challenges, call plan and new sales made in your sector
Maintain and manage database of all Corporate customers in your sector
Maintain quality and healthy sales pipeline , capturing all opportunities and updating such

Establish and maintain excellent relationship management with existing subscribers within the sector

Encourage ALL existing customer to pay their bills timely to avoid barring, increase debt portfolio and churn within sector.
Create symbiotic relationships in events sponsorship with Government / Corporate accounts all in a view to drive sale of our corporate products and revenue growth.

Desired Skills & Experience

3-5 years preferably in FMCG, Consumables & Telecom

Personal Characteristics & Behaviour

Achieving Results, & Delighting the Customer
Team Player; Independent, Confident, and Objective
Attention to detail/ excellent oral and written communication skills
Good presentation skills
Ready to achieve beyond set target
Committed to common goals and values of the organization

For More Details Visit http://bishopjoe..com/2013/08/key-account-manager-at-airtel-nigeria.html

NetApp creates innovative storage and data management solutions that help accelerate business breakthroughs and deliver outstanding cost efficiency. Our dedication to principles of simplicity, innovation, and customer success has made us one of the fastest-growing
storage and data management providers today.

Customers around the world choose us for our “go beyond” approach and broad portfolio of solutions for business applications, storage for virtual servers, disk-to-disk backup, and more. Our solutions provide nonstop availability of critical business data and simplify business processes so you can deploy new capabilities with confidence and get to revenue faster than ever before.

You can rely on our industry-leading solutions to lower the cost of protecting your data, business, and reputation. We bring together the industry’s best partners and technology to deliver services that help you maximize what you are getting from your infrastructure.

Job Description
As a Sales Representative in NetApp's Sales function, you are responsible for selling NetApp's Products and Professional Services to new and existing NetApp customers, as well as maintaining positive on-going relationships to meet evolving customer needs. Your overall focus areas will be in prospecting, developing business, responding to RFP's, developing proposals for presentation to customers, and selling Products and Services. Cross-functional teams from NetApp's Marketing, Systems Engineering and Product Development functions provide support and tools for you to leverage to attain and exceed sales performance goals. You will utilize your excellent relationship building, negotiating, and technical skills to be successful in this role.

Essential Functions:
The essential responsibilities of the Sales Representatives are to work directly with customers to capture sales opportunities and to work effectively across functions with other NetApp employees.
Desired Skills & Experience
Strong verbal and written communications skills including presentation skills.

- Ability to work collaboratively with employees within department and across functions.

- Aptitude for understanding how technology products and solutions solve business problems.

- Ability to convey information clearly and provide analysis as needed to help customer make buying decisions.
Education & Experience:
- 6-8 years of experience is preferred.
- Experience which demonstrates a significant level of expertise in technical specifications required to sell NetApp products and services is required.
- Specialized knowledge in breadth and/or depth.

For further detail visit http://bishopjoe..com/2013/08/account-managersales-representatives-at.html

By the time I turned 20, I’ve had enough religion to last me two life times. By 1974, I left to further my studies in the USA, I was overjoyed because for the first time, I was going to be on my own. I was really carried away with my new found independence. Being an adventurous young man I started dabbling into not only the occult but with metaphysics, Buddhism, astrology, magic and all that Jazz. However, I still believe I was fundamentally a Catholic by birth, but the catholic fate has suddenly become boring and old fashion for me.

The first 20yrs of my life, I seriously had this dream of being a priest. I was overfed with an overdose of religion which has always been a very serious business in my family. You dare not be late for morning mass or else you get the whipping of your life, yes my father was that strict, no nonsense when it came to going to church or anything spiritual. That’s where I’m coming from, we were a family that prayed together and were very staunch Catholics for that matter.

When I turned 16 I became an altar boy, at that time that was the coolest thing to be, considering years of going to bible classes and regular confessions. Eight months into the spiritual things as an altar boy, I made a big goof; I drank the priests wine and ate a bunch of Holy Communion enough to fill me up. I figured I could be more spiritual by that action, but I got expelled as an altar boy, needless to say how scandalized and angry my father was then, OMG.


By the time I turned 20, I’ve had enough religion to last me two life times. By 1974, I left to further my studies in the USA, I was overjoyed because for the first time, I was going to be on my own. I was really carried away with my new found independence. Being an adventurous young man I started dabbling into not only the occult but with metaphysics, Buddhism, astrology, magic and all that Jazz. However, I still believe I was fundamentally a Catholic by birth, but the catholic fate has suddenly become boring and old fashion for me.

When I read that controversial book, “In God’s Name”, all the negativity I started to feel about the Catholic Church became magnified in my mind. What about the sex scandals about priests and little boys. Hummmmmmm! I am aware that the Catholic Church is not a perfect body, and doesn't claim to be one. Of course it is plagued with the same corruption, scandals and sin as any other organization. Last night as I was watching CNN, the Pope’s visit to Brasil was being beamed to the world and all of a sudden, there it was, "who am I to judge as long as they walk in the light of Christ" Pope Francis on Gays. As reflexes would have it, I jumped out of my seat and hugged my TV, funny ha ha. Not because homosexuality has been part of my advocacy through the years but because I feel that every adult has a right to make their bed and lie on it as they choose, and who the hell are we to judge. I have always said that it is really not our place to judge those who do not fit our view of normal. So once again the church is attempting to evolve in order to keep up with the rest of civilization. That is how a religion survives. Its belief has to be flexible enough to stay somewhat relevant to current or the public will abandon it.

Ever since the Popes election, my man has taken actions that seem to be very ‘unpopelike’. He even used public transport as a cardinal, he lives in a smaller quarter, he asked for blessing before blessing the crowd which gathered in St Peters square on the day of his election. But my people, what is stranger than Pope France’s action have been evangelicals’ reactions all over the world. Never before has a Pope become so widely accepted by Protestants and evangelicals. It's a proud day for Catholics and all mankind. Finally a Pope who doesn't see himself as equal to God, unlike our men of god down here. It is really amazing. Every Pope in the Catholic Church’s past has had a mastery over catholic rhetoric, because theoretically they always say the right things. But Pope Francis has decided to lead with his actions. Before delivering his message at the Holy Thursday Mass, Pope Francis spent time on his Knees washing the feet of young women incarcerated at a nearby prison. This is the first time a Pope has ever washed the feet of women, not to mention that one of the women was a Muslim, which is another break in papal tradition. In the holy book, the bible calls us to be the light to the world if Christ is to be present to the world. This is why Pope Francis’ way should be imitated for imitating him we make Christ visible and that is what influences others to walk in the way of Christ. So much to be said for our so called "men of god" in this neck of the woods who strut around as if they are God’s gift to mankind, most of them bunch of con men and fraud stars who are continually ripping off unsuspecting Nigerians, living in fancy houses, building universities their congregation can't even afford for their children and buying private jets because their God is not a poor God, as Nija's hand over their pay checks in return for a miracle because they have bought into the Hocus-pocus that is Pentecostalism. Just look at our churches today, tell me those priest, pastors or our so called men of god, who makes Christ visible. Jesus needs us to make him Visible and present in this troubled world. Blessed mother Teresa is a perfect example of showing us the love and mercy of Christ in the millions she cared for. The gospel calls us to imitate Christ and it is in the way we live that the gospel of Jesus gets proclaimed, that is how we speak Christ to a world that does not know him.

I am very scared for this Pope, he is a little too Christ like for his own good. There are still some die hard winches, vampires in the Vatican. I fear assassination, probably by the very people who call themselves "devout". If any Pope can show us what Jesus was saying, I think this one is the one. At least I hope so. I am impressed with this Pope not for his Catholicism but for his Christianity. As I lay in the comfort of my room watching the Pope’s visit to Brazil, it was clear to me that Pope Francis will go down in history as the greatest Pope ever, I just pray that he lives out his Pope ship for many years to come as to spread his light and make our lord Jesus more visible in the world. More than 3million people where at Copacabana beach for the re-enactment of the Stations of the Cross and farewell mass. This world Youths Day smashed previous attendance records and goes down in the record books as one of the best attended papal events ever. In short, this Pope is a rock star. Here is a Pope who speaks the language of the people; In fact in Rio he kicked his penchant for simplicity, humility and accessibility into high gear. The security operatives were all overwhelmed by zealous pilgrims, he insisted on leaving the windows of his car down so he could extend his arm to those seeking his blessings. Countless babies kissed, photo ups with adoring faithfuls only added to the pontiff reputation for being a man of the people, and all of this took place in the roughest side of town, a crime ridden zone in Rio.

Pope Francis is now standing up to the Mafia. First the Vatican honoured Rev Giuseppe Puglisi, killed 20yrs ago by mobsters for preaching against the Mafia, as a martyr. Pope Francis himself demanded that Mafia members abandon their "evil ways" especially those who exploit their fellow humans via human trafficking, drug dealing and prostitution. "They cannot make our brothers slaves; let us pray that these Mafiosi convert to God". Hummmmm na wa, if the Mafia decides to take Pope Francis out in retaliation for his words against them, I pray that there's a Pope Francis army out there ready to throw down. If the Pope manages to mobilize all of Italian society against the Mafia, his days maybe numbered, but he will be unable to do so, and as a result I pray that the Mafia won’t remember him. They say the only thing needed for Evil to exist is for good men to do nothing. I am glad that he is doing something. He looks and sounds to me like he has a beautiful spiritual light burning inside of him and is preaching goodwill for all and trying to turn around the corrupt so they too can walk in the sunlight of the spirit. I really admire him for standing up to the Mafias. I recognize the Popes effort in trying to bring a better image and name to Christianity. Anyway you flip it, the Holy Father is full of surprises, born of true and faithful humility, at another occasion, he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists. "Those people must still do good. Infact, it is in doing good that they are led to the one who is the source of all that is good" In essence he simply restated the hope of the church that all come to know God, through his son Jesus Christ. Pope Francis is saying more than ever before, that Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone. That has always been a Christian belief, but rarely do you hear it said by Catholics so forcefully, and with such evident joy. And in this era of religious controversies, it is a timely reminder that God cannot be confined to our narrow categories. Thumbs up for my man Pope Francis, nothing do you.


http://bishopjoe..com/2013/08/a-bullet-for-pope-written-by-charly-boy.html

utenwuson: Bizare::::::::: wat is really hapnin

it seems Don jazzy is a bad manager

Wande Coal after years of staying loyal to his bosses, Dbanj and Don Jazzy has allegedly finally parted ways with Mavin Records owned by Don Jazzy to form his own label known as Black Diamond Entertainment.
During the post Mohit era which saw Dbanj and Don Jazzy parting ways to form their own record label, Wande Coal pitched his tent with the super producer, Don Jazzy and released a number of hits under the Mavin blueprint.


With the likes of Wizkid and Iyanya running their own label and making it bigtime, Wande Coal finally summoned the courage to untie himself from the apron strings of Mavin to become his own boss.

His new single ‘Kilaju’ produced by Maleek Berry, which dropped yesterday was released under his Black Diamond imprint.

A member of his new team who pleaded anonymity confirmed the split saying WC’s twitter bio says it all, while attempt to reach Don Jazzy was not possible as at the time of filing this report.


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benalvino: but you didnt answer anything...

hahahahahhah...i have told u all u nid to know.....there was nor of ur question dat i didnt answer....



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numen: Like someone pointed out earlier Roman 8:26 said the "groanings" cannot be uttered It means they are not audible therefore you cannot say "inaudible groanings" is the same as "speaking in tongues". Tongues = Another Language on Earth.

read through the thread, i have provide answers to these question

benalvino: Why is it when someone speak shakanananaka i dont hear it in English then? whats the point of shakanajanaka when everyone there hears English very well?

your points still not making sense...
the apostle go to a city and speak the language of that City which they did not learn... the bible did not say they are speaking spiritual orobokibobo asawana gbolo pampamgolo to the people and they are hearing it in their language... if so why dont we hear it in English when pastors do such in church?

Acts 2

New International Version (NIV)
The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome


can u see this, all the people heard was just sound, not hebrew, greek, sound and automatically this sound were now understand in their own mother tongue.


[b]Why is it when someone speak shakanananaka i dont hear it in English then? whats the point of shakanajanaka when everyone there hears English very well?

this set of person are prayering in tongues as explain in roman 8:26,

while the apostles in act 2 were speaking in tongues...there is a big different...if u ever come across someone speaking in tongues and the spirit give u understanding, then u we have a propare undersatnding of what i'm saying.

benalvino: Why is it when someone speak shakanananaka i dont hear it in English then? whats the point of shakanajanaka when everyone there hears English very well?

your points still not making sense...
the apostle go to a city and speak the language of that City which they did not learn... the bible did not say they are speaking spiritual orobokibobo asawana gbolo pampamgolo to the people and they are hearing it in their language... if so why dont we hear it in English when pastors do such in church?

Acts 2

New International Version (NIV)
The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome


can u see this, all the people heard was just sound, not hebrew, greek, sound and automatically this sound were now understand in their own mother tongue.


[b]Why is it when someone speak shakanananaka i dont hear it in English then? whats the point of shakanajanaka when everyone there hears English very well?

this set of person are prayering in tongues as explain in roman 8:26,

while the apostles in act 2 were speaking in tongues...there is a big different...if u ever come across someone speaking in tongues and the spirit give u understanding, then u we have a propare undersatnding of what i'm saying.

benalvino:
you said the people can hear them abi? It means the tongue they where speaking is of the people... not some tanakanaka then the holy spirit was interpreting it.

and bible says tongue can be uttered... utter the tongues... dont try to utter groaning when it made it clear that groaning cannot be uttered...

you just wrestling with the scriptures... how can you say when you utter graoning it becomes speaking in tongues? remember groaning cannot be uttered

you said the people can hear them abi? It means the tongue they where speaking is of the people

imagine me speaking in a public and everybody present there can understand my words (hausa, igbo, yoruba, fulani) do u think such words will be in english....definitely no..i must have be speaking some spiritual words and such spirit is now bring the words to all men understanding. the apostles were speaking a heaven language, that's why everyone present can understand them in their own mother tongues...they weren't speaking Hebrew..read that verse again


and bible says tongue can be uttered... utter the tongues... don't try to utter groaning when it made it clear that groaning cannot be uttered...
yes tongues can be uttered as stated in the bible, but the same bible in Roman 8:26 tells us how the words will be (groaning). (in the spirit we speaketh misteries)



how can you say when you utter graoning it becomes speaking in tongues? remember groaning cannot be uttered

i have already proven this to u..using a deaf and dumb man as an example...u can also get more understanding from a stammerer, when he/she is stammering we all know the sound that normally comes out (groaning)



seeing there is no further issue to discuss, i move for the adjournment of this thread....seconded by?