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thelastPope: Honestly, no offense, but what is your educational level?



The bolded is the subject matter, not Yoruba people. He said Awo was driven by ambition for himself and his people. He was talking about Awo, not his people. You can argue if he is right or wrong, but nowhere there did he insult the Yoruba. In fact, he didnt even insult Awo, he criticized him. Not the same thing by a mile. Except you are saying criticising Awo is the same as insulting him. Insult is when you call GEJ all sorts of unprintable names. Criticism is when you say he didnt make a good decision, get it?

Infact, the statement above is not even a criticism. I just dont want to deviate the dabate too much, thats why I called it a criticism. It is a writers opinion of a character. Nothing in that statement really says whether the ambition is a good thing or a bad thing. It actually only becomes a criticism when you read it in a broader context for example. if you can connect it to the food starvation policy issue.

I should be asking you that question because it seems reading and comprehension isn't your forte. Let me break it down for you: Achebe was implying in that excerpt that Awolowo(the key player) was driven by an ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people(conspirators) over the Igbos. If you had any comprehension skills and had the smart to read between the lines, you will understand that; according to Achebe's assertion, there's no way Awolowo would have done that by himself. He needs conspirators which are his Yoruba people and that was why he alluded to them in that misguided and bigoted excerpt. So bascially, Achebe was talking about a conspiracy between Awolowo and his people for power over Igbos.

Are you a learner or just another simplistic tribalist who just take everything at face value? You need more than that to be an intellectual!

Pangea: So, any one advocating the case for tribal supremacy is inherently wicked, evil, satanic and mad!

^ Who did that: 'Ashebe' or 'Achebe'?

So this is what this thread is all about? Black supremacist agenda.

thelastPope: Please can you tell me how this is an insult to the Yoruba race? All I see there is his critism of Awo's actions and he does have a right to critic it, whether he is right or wrong. How does that translate into an insult to the Yoruba race? Or are you saying every action Awo took was perfect and right and that all his actions in government are Yoruba actions, because that will be opening up a whole different subject matter

Can't you see 'his Yoruba people' there?

Boss13: An act of pure wickedness and yet I should celebrate him, Ojukwu and Gowon - NEVER

Achebe bring Yoruba people into his diatribe was his achilles' heel. You don't always need to talk about others to big your people up. He was a tribalist and that was why he couldn't see beyond his tribal prism.

The same Achebe also wrote this under a header titled: A History of Ethnic Tension and Resentment.

He observed that the Igbo culture’s emphasis on change, individualism and competitiveness gave his ethnic group an edge over the Hausa/Fulani man who was hindered by a “wary religion” and the Yoruba man who was hampered by” traditional hierarchies.”

http://www.informationng.com/2012/10/there-was-a-country-why-hausa-fulanis-yorubas-hate-igbos-achebe.html

It's not good to talk bad about the dead. But truth be told, AChebe was a bigot and tribalist who couldn't talk about his tribe without bringing others down and talking about how his people are superior to others.

Let him rest in peace. Stop creating threads that will cause more problems for his legacy!

Achebe in his own words:

“It is my impression that Awolowo was driven by an overriding ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people. There is, on the surface at least, nothing wrong with those aspirations. However, Awolowo saw the dominant Igbos at the time as the obstacles to that goal, and when the opportunity arose – the Nigeria-Biafra war – his ambition drove him into a frenzy to go to every length to achieve his dreams. In the Biafran case it meant hatching up a diabolical policy to reduce the numbers of his enemies significantly through starvation — eliminating over two million people, mainly members of future generations.”

[quote author=Area-Fada].
Where did Achebe ever say that he hated Nigeria? Have you ever read his book " The problem with Nigeria"? I guess not. He has always said our problem is mainly problem of leadership.

Achebe had a severe accident in in Naija in 1990, and paralysed from waist down. Going to live in America mainly for his health does not equate to hating nigeria.[/quote]I don't care about what the man liked or what he was bitter about; that's his prerogative.

I just want the monster called Nigeria to let my people go.

May God destroy those who amalgamated Nigeria in their graves!!! Amen

May Nigeria break up before 2015!!! Amen


Stone age country!!!

Billyonaire: Nigeria needs a Hero, yet, we find no role models for the younger generations. The few ones with lofty legacies adored by the greatest minds world-wide are being ridiculed by tribalists of Nairaland.

Why didn't you post this before I renounced my citizenship?

obadiah777: GOOD QUESTION. SOMETHING ABOUT THE FACIAL CHARACTER SEEMS THE SAME. LET ME GET TWO LINKS TO BUTTRESS THIS POINT
YOU SEE WHAT I SEE ?

My bad, I didn't know you were talking about 'Achebe', I thought it was Dayokanu's infamous 'Ashebe'.

I guess it has to do with old age. But Madiba is a meek and gentle legendary icon that's incomparable to any living, or recently dead African. You can compare some of those who died before the 80s to him, though.

all4naija: Nonsense list!Apart from Mark Shuttlesworth, there others are just like many Nigerians out there. If those are what Forbes pick for Youngest Powerful Men in Africa not Future African Leaders then Africa is gonna remain in the dark for years to come because I can't see any milestone from what they do. Apart from the Ubuntu founder and he is not even based in Africa any more.

Is there even any hope for Africa with the sub-human species they keep churning out of that hell-hole?

All those chicken heads and frauds from that continent are lost beyond redemption. ANyway, all hope is not lost, the white and Asian Africans are still there to help you get a head start.

Africa is DEAD.

[quote author=Area-Fada].
Anyone can reject any honour if he so wishes. Some people refuse MBE, OBE, CBE and even knighthood from the Queen of England everytime. These honours are actually from the Prime Minister's office. Only very few honours come from the Queen directly.[/quote]Those who rejected those honours didn't do it because they don't like England. They did it because they don't like the monarchy and what it represents. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

But why do Igbos always cry when their icons are questioned?

Y'all open threads everyday to disrespect dead and living Yoruba icons everyday but when they do the same to you, you will start crying everywhere like someone stole your biscuit and chocolate.

Igbos cry and whine too much sha.

EzeUche: You better show that "dead man" some respect.

But I guess you being raised in Britain, you do not know much about the respect that should be given to an elder like Chinua Achebe.

Where did I say anything about 'Achebe' on this thread?

obadiah777: YEAH THOSE DAYUM HEATHENS. OYINBOS THAT IS SPEAKING OF ASHEBE WAS HE SEPERATED AT BIRTH FROM NELSON MANDELA ? THOSE TWO LOOK LIKE IDENTICAL TWINS

The Ashebe on that link looks oyinboish to me. Why do you think she's madiba's identical twin

all4naija: Where is the list of Future African leaders? It is not complete without a Nigerian in it. That is a false list if you asked, although, I haven't seen it.

The link is actually: "The 10 Youngest Power Men in Africa." http://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehed45lik/joseph-kabila-congolese-president-democratic-republic-of-congo/

Most of them aren't even black.

I should be on that list in two years' time, not as a Nigeria but as a Yoruba. I renounced my Nigerian citizenship last year December. I'm presently waiting for Nigeria to break up, so that I can apply for my Yoruba passport.

So, no Nigerian is on the 'Future African Leaders' list yet you dingbats are fighting over a dead man who's already 6ft under, yes? 160million of you and none of you made the list!

Thank God I'm not a Nigerian.

obadiah777: I GUESS I STAND CORRECTED LMAO

Brah, the name probably means YAM POTTAGE but you know oyinbos always name themselves after anything.

Orderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! Time to take a break!!!

I googled 'Future Young African Leaders' and to my utmost surprise, there was no Nigerian on the list.

But we can start rejoice that we've got four Nigerians(2 Igbos and 2 Yorubas) on the list of the greatest Africans--black people ever.

https://emeagwali.com/africa/100-greatest-africans/new-african-magazine-cover-august-september-2004.jpg


Your Northern brothers and sisters can also rejoice for having the only Nigerian ever to be on the cover of TIME magazine.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/326781_1101601205_400_jpgc5bbef6a453da05e7d097fc9ea617e50

obadiah777: LMAO BRAH BITTYEND I TROWAY SALUTE SIR. OH YES I KNOW FOR SURE THAT ASHEBE IS YAM POTTAGE

Brah, I disagree.

I googled 'Ashebe' and this came up: http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/ashebe

Dayokanu is a legend!

obadiah777: ASHEBE SOUNDS LIKE YAM POTTAGE

Buzugee, so you know the meaning.

Oya let's check the torah of yeshua to see if Ashebe is a misspelled name for one of the lost tribes of Yisrael.

I have heard about ACHEBE but what is ASHEBE?

Dayokanu is a legend on nairaland!