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YourNemesis:
Then replicate these pictures at least, and stop copying ivie okuko styles and the ewu ivie shoulder bead cape attire.... If it was only western igbos (aniomas) doing it now, at least we can even understand to an extent.

You Yorubas should learn to mind your business.
Ask Bini what okuko mean first or what Ikegobo mean.

So we should leave what has origin from Igboland because a bunch of people that call themselves Bini adopted it. No Afonja you are lying.
You are seriously lying. No one tells an Igbo man what to do especially when he is on his own turf.

The same Bini that use "ogbe, ugbo, ugo, ọkụkọ etc"
Bini influence is not from Anioma but Nri. Hope you know where Nri is before talking nonsense about Anioma.

YourNemesis:
More Yoruba from the 1800s

Nope, still 20th century (1925).
During Nigeria for that matter.

YourNemesis:
I don't see the similarity.
And what is the date for the ovo figurine you posted? This looks like a modern era artwork to me bro... let's be real.

It is interesting that what our ancestors did when you people were butt naked look like a modern era thing to you.

Lol. Go to Bini right now and see the women enjoying their Afọ Market sales

There is something you Yorubas need to do before putting your mouth into what doesn't concern you. I hope both of you are listening @YourNemesis and Saukruat,

Always ask the other side before making yourself emergency police, defender and judge at the same time.

There is a reason why the court of Bini always denounce claims from confused Igbo groups in SS. They know that the more the issue is flogged the more the origin of all they call theirs is exposed. Atleast today, you've seen where the acclaimed Bini dressing came from.
If we go more on this, you will end up seeing where the inspiration for Iguedo mask came from.
Do you know that today is Afọ Market day in Bini?

As for our neighbours on the Eastern side. Have you seen any of them complain of anything in regards to what you people are confusing yourselves on?
Nope, because what you thought was peculiar to them is a shared thing between them and southern Igboland. The origin is Igbo that spread to them through Arochukwu.
A typical native clothing of Ibibio and Efik origin is weaved grass and rafia.

Below are pictures from maiden Festival in Arochukwu

YourNemesis:
1800s Yorubaland.

Nope. That is mid 20th century

YourNemesis:
LOL!

Igbo Bronze Ofo.

You see the resemblance?
There is a reason why I ignored the Bini ignoramus that was blabbing here because I believe he doesn't know anything about Bini.

In as much as I prefer Ndigbo go with a more distinct attire, that attire you now call Bini has roots from Igboland.

YourNemesis:
lol 9th century is 300 before proof of life in Yorubaland when Ife already had paved streets and a system of paved roads in 8th century....

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2639678_ileifepavement_jpeg4048c2b71ec0ea00ffa926ca15636dfa

Hahahahaha. Nobody is as funny as a Yoruba man that wants to claim old.

Oga the oldest thing from Yoruba is the copper artworks from 12th century.
Very soon you will post acclaimed streetlights of 6th century.

Saukruat:
Igbos like yourself are pathetic, I'm talking all facts, you are talking about Palm wine drinkers and ugu eaters of Enugu's dating. And stick to the topic which is as not stealing from other cultures outfits.

Stop starting a sentence with "and" if you want to continue living up to your inferior status to English people.

What you saw in that my comment might be the fact that will differentiate you from the dimwits gobbling Ewedu in Yorubaland. It is a proven archaeological research with results.
Whether you like it or not, Ogun and Obatala kids stories are not used in any academic discussion. It is just stories for kids. Stories conjured by Yorubas to deceive themselves alone. So keep that in mind when talking about "oldest this and that"

The oldest Iron site in Nigeria is Lejja in Enugu state. If you have any archaeological evidence to justify your childish story bring it on not fooling yourself with kids stories. Everybody isn't as dumb as you people.

Last but not the least, who made you inferiors the fashion police of Eastern region? Or has any "other ethnic" group complained of Igbo appropriating their clothing? Or do you have proof that Igbo ever appropriated any cloth?
Or can you differentiate Igbo clothing from Ibibio and Efik?
These few questions already explains the stupidity in Yorubaland. You guys are simple dying in inferiority to the native Igbo magnificent clothing.

YourNemesis:
lol this is Yoruba in the 1800s .... already fully clothed.

What are you talking'bout bro?

Fully clothed after contact with Fulani is a big achievement to you lots.

Look at how our ancestors roll in the 9th century, which is about 300 years before proof of life in Yorubaland.

Saukruat:
I've posted several pictures from the 1800's and from the early 1900s too, which you choose to ignore. You're just an idiot, you have no point so you are trying your hardest to cope whichever way you can. And you can't even spell, what a dunce, "dirth". And that one picture was commissioned in 2000 but was taken in the 60's as apart of a visual art series, ode. There was no camera in the 1700s so I can't go further back. Meanwhile you can't post anything of your people rotflmao.

Some of the pictures from the 1800's that I posted

@ Emboldened, look at who is talking about spelling, starting a sentence with "and"
Mtcheww... So it has reached to the extent of policing another man's language. You guys are the most pathetic. No single dignity, Nothing.

Oga your pictures have their dates stamped to it. The oldest there is 1950.

If, I repeat "IF" Ndigbo are as Shameless as Yorubas, we would be posting pictures like the one below when asked of our traditional clothing. We would claim it is 100% Igbo when in reality it is a mixture of Igbo, Western (British) and Sahel.

This picture of Obi Okposi is actually older than the one of Alaafin and his wives rocking Chinese hairstyles.

Saukruat:
Low iq and Inferiority complex is affecting you. You have lost the plot, are you arguing against traditional braided Yoruba hairstyles now too, shuku, Didi, koroba, irun Kiko, patewo, Omole gogoro, Ipako Elede, etc. They wore several hairstyles, including that too and also head dress called Gele. Like I said, don't project. There are pictures Ashanti women with buns doesn't mean they didn't do other hairstyles. You need to take yout drugs fam.

You don't worth a dirth on my shoe.

I wonder why you people are ashamed of your ancestors. It's like the shame blocks every reasoning that you can't even notice the date in the pictures you are masquerading as them.
First I pointed out the one of 1957 clothing. Now 2000 hairstyle as your ancestor of 1800

I don't know why you are struggling. Is the shame that deep? Or what? I don't understand.
The pictures have date tags. Just look at them

Saukruat:
Enugu news and Nigerian journalists. I doubt that there is any igbos that actually research. The most important iron sites is in Yoruba land, Ife ,and the first to actually usher an iron age. And that my friend, is why Yoruba ancient art is more well known. On that same page.
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/iron/hd_iron.htm

And you have been shifting the topic, which is copying other ethnicities clothing

LOL. We are talking about facts and you are bringing folktales of "Ogun discovering Iron"
Yorubas are pathetic

As usual, Yorubas are ashamed of their fore fathers.
None can muster the courage to post how the white men met their ancestors.

None can muster the courage to post the pictures of their great grandparents before Nigeria was established.

The clown before me (Saukruat) even posted one from 1951. Are you kidding me?
1951 of yesterday?
Very soon you will post pictures of Davido and Wizkid as your ancestors

Saukruat:
Cope.
Spamming with old Yoruba pictures

Those recent pictures. Very soon you will post pictures of Wizkid and David to buttress how much ashamed you are of your ancestors

Saukruat:
Yes the Gele headdress is part and parcel of Yoruba culture and you will keep feeling your inferiority complex. It's however not part of your Igbo culture. Yoruba women had magnificent braids styles but still wore Gele's traditionally for several occasions and casual settings too. It's like marvelling that British ladies wore Church hats and also wore buns and pig tails , lmao.

You mean Igbo "have a complex for Yoruba savagery?". Lol you're hallucinating

It is quite interesting that the Yoruba women have "magnificent braids and styles" nobody knew of but the wives of Alaafin wore the hairstyles below.

Just look at their punk, Jet Li hairstyles

Saukruat:
Keep coping about Yorubas. Yoruba iron sites are the most ancient in Nigeria.

The oldest Iron site in Nigeria is in "Lejja, Enugu state".
https://www.journalajst.com/geophysical-investigations-locating-buried-iron-slag-lejja-southern-nigeria
It even made news in 2018
https://thingsnigeria.com/2018/02/14/lejja-the-worlds-oldest-iron-smelting-site-in-nigeria/

I doubt there is any Yoruba that actually research

Igboid:
Bkayy.
You are right in your argument of many groups including the British trying to lay claim to our local textile industry.
Notice the Belgian above was so fascinated with our local textile industry that hf ignorantly assumed we got our local weaving looms and industry from "the Caravans" which I take to mean from the Trans Sahara trade. He struggled to understand that an Indigenous African group were capable of such feats without influence from the Caucasians ( Arabs or Europeans).

But we all know this is false. Because Ndiigbo never engaged in Trans Sahara trade, and the Igalas who did who we had contact with, had no local textile industry as sophisticated as ours. They( the Igalas) depended on us for their local textiles when they are not buying from their trans Sahara trade route.

Our ancestors were truly a special breed of people.
This was also how they( the Caucasians) had nightmares understanding how an Indigenous African ethnic group were capable of producing such sophisticated arts as found in Igbo ukwu.
Even with Nri people describing the names and use of every single item found in the excavation site at Igbo ukwu, by Ancient Igbos. Many Europeans are still in awe.


Igbo di egwu, di omimi ma dikwa ebube.

That is it my brother. Every cat and dog wants to claim relationship with superior culture.
The thing is funny. Britain started it with trying to link Akwete to Indian lungi, Now Yorubas of Yesterday want to claim origin. Yorubas of few centuries ago.

Little did all of them know that Akwete started with grass and rafia fibre as well as other Igbo cloth producers like we have in Northern Igboland before moving to cotton. Britain gave up after extensive studies but these ones want to start their own. People that every artifact in Igboland outdates.

Imagine the dude wanted to talk about Bronze. A Yoruba man talking about bronze. When did Yoruba started making bronze sculptures? ​The dude did not know that what he posted as well as most of the Yoruba sculptures are Brass and Copper. The oldest of those brass and copper sculptures date 12th century. Bronzes, if any of the Yorubas works must be considered as such dates from 15th century, same with Bini.
Bini is the youngest in the game. Most of Bini bronzes shows evidences of European contact like cross and bowler hats.

This is why I told that guy that if he wants bronze and artifact discussion, he should wait till I am through with clothing.


See the oldest known Bronze of lost wax technique in Africa. It is from Igbo-Ukwu

JohnSin97:
I pity south south minorities if nigeria breaks up

Care to explain why?

Let's be fair to ourselves, it is best that they zone this Governorship according to ethnicity. Yes, I support Ijaws on this.

So it should be divided according to the nine ethnicity in the following order Ika-Aniocha-Oshimili-Ukwuani-Ndokwa-Ijaw-Itsekiri-Urhobo-Isoko

Ika have had their turn so the next should be Aniocha followed by oshimili and so on and so forth

scholes0:
Okay??.??
I have posted the leads here for those who genuinely want to read and find out more, so my work is done. The best thing about threads like this is those who come to read.
Mr doom predictor lol.

My dear let me help you say the truth because you are scared of it.
The truth is that you are running away after discovering that you have no reasonable other basis to extend the argument. What you were doing since is to extend not to convince, probably to justify your first boast of disgracing me.

This is why they say one shouldn't be sure of victory if he doesn't know who he is facing. When it comes to debates like this, I don't have doubts because I know the opponent and know my own history and like Napoleon said "if you know thyself and know the enemy, you shouldn't be scared of the result of a thousand battle"

Since beginning of this thread, all you tried to do was justify the revisions which were designed as propaganda to crush the spirit of Ndigbo and effect inclusion into Nigeria after the fall of Eastern Region.

We know them. I have seen them before. I have challenged and debunked them time without numbers but you as well as many Yorubas see them as fact. Some of you are already seeing it for what they are which is propaganda and as such never engages any Igbo man with good knowledge of history on them.

So far, you tried to justify the fallacies that
1. Ndigbo had no indegenous cloth and I presented statement from one the first white men that visited Northern Igboland. Showing that Ndigbo have various indigenous cloth besides Akwete.
2. Igbo red cap came after European contact/Turkey and I presented Igbo bronze mask dating centuries before whites contact and also accompanying similar pictures they captured which are of kids rocking the same type of red cap at Onicha Olona
3. There was no cotton in Igboland and as such no proof of cotton cloth then I provided testament from Captain Hugh Crow who testified of seeing indigenous Igbo cotton clothes prior to Colonialism.
4. Akwete got cloth making through contact with Ijaw which by extension is from Ijebu ode and I gave you testament from Ijaw people themselves proving Aro dominance of which through them Akwete clothes got to their generations
5. Yoruba owned indigenous cloth and I presented with proof of where Aso oke and Agbada came from which surprisingly you accepted after some dragging. After which I presented your native clothing which involved animal skin.

What broke the camels back was when I asked you to provide the names of the people you call Ijaws and you realising that it will render your entire revision useless took to your heels.

As you can see, there is a big difference between report and revision which most of the times come in the form of articles.

Let me tell something, Yorubas are not the first to try to claim origin of Akwete. The British did by claiming it was from India. They have articles about that littered the Internet so yours isn't as sophisticated as those I have faced.

Goodluck and stop lying.

scholes0:
lol...i'm done with you.
Peace.

E don finally shock you.
This is what my superior reasoning do to history revisionists. It sends them running.

No come and answer the question. Tell us who you are referring to as Ijaw?

Bringing revisions of 1980 upwards to contest of facts and logic.

One last advice "You see those revisions you Yorubas are fooling yourselves with? It will be the doom of your nation"

scholes0:
Oh wow, Hugh Crow spent 20+ years in Bonny but Never mentioned everything about Ijaws trading with Ijebu because he is all knowing but several other sources from other European talk about Long standing trade in fabrics between Ijebus, Itsekiris and Ijaws...... How confusing that must be for you

Fabrics in Itsekiri was from Bini.
Ijaw that traded with Yoruba is those (that calls themselves Ijaw) around present day Ondo axis but those in Rivers and Delta were under Aro and Aboh jurisdiction respectively.

BTW, who exactly are you referring to as Ijaw?

scholes0:
coming from someone posting pictures from the same 1900s to prove a certain point, this is very rich.
So first impression of Europeans said Ijebu designs didn't come through ijaw intermediaries into Ndoki land. SMH..!

None recorded of anything of such nature moving from Ijaw to Igboland but the reverse.
And yes I post early 1900s because it is reports that supercedes your revision.
Even if you doubt it, the pictures from there resets your brain.

One thing about you Yorubas is that recorded history prior to late 1900s scare the shit out of you.
At the beginning of the thread you argued that Agbada and Aso oke were indigenous to you. Along the line after seeing the real pictures of your ancestors you dropped it. Now you want us to believe that after 1980 you discovered that your ancestors sent imaginary art of textiles through Ijaw to Igbo. The same Igbo that neutral people saw making their own clothes in 1800s when in early 1900s, your people are wearing Animal skin.
History revision make you people appear like fools

scholes0:
lol, carbon dating of Igbo ukwu works are still highly contended and controversial in academic circles because of the methods employed but that is a story for another time. You still can't prove that Igbo ukwu is older than ife, even with the 9th century ascribed to igbo ukwu artefact.

Lets finish with your confusion on Igbo textiles first before I reconstruct you on bronzes.
So tell me why Capt Hugh Crow that spent 20+ years in Bonny and Niger Delta never met this mysterious Ijaw people that sold clothes to Ndigbo but documented Igbo indigenous textiles?

Was it after 1980 that the ghosts of those mysterious Ijaws started directing the revisionist that sought to link Igbo achievements to Yoruba pathetic borrowed uniforms?

scholes0:
You be proper clown, so some carved Ikenga wood from sometime shortly before independence is what you are comparing with an African art classic?
So you think there aren't countless pieces of carved work from Yorubaland with even more astounding intricacy and with far older chronological stamps from Yorubaland or what? Is that how shallow your history is?

LOL. None knows stupidity like a Yoruba man that is hunting to rewrite other people's accomplishment in a bid to have a stake in it.
You people once claim that you have the oldest artifact until carbon dating proved that the oldest bronze in Southern Nigeria is from Igbo-Ukwu. Although ignoramuses like you will still doubt for noisemaking sake.

Those with little intelligence like your Ooni confirmed that Igbo is far older than all of you

scholes0:
Goodness me! your understanding is quite shallow.
So "contract weavers" is what unhinged you to go off on another tangent? loool... You have issues o abi you don't know what patronage entails? Isn't this esteem issues oozing out like this....

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Igbo Women and Economic Transformation in Southeastern ... - Page 68; Gloria chuku, 2005

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Akwete Weaving: A Study of Change in Response to the Palm oil trade.. Lisa Aronson 1982

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Textiles of Africa - Page 97, Dale Idiens, ‎Kenneth G. Ponting · 1980

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Cloth as Metaphor: Nigerian Textiles from the Museum of ... - Page 54
Jean Borgatti, ‎University of California, Los Angeles. Museum of Cultural History

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Jean Borgatti, ‎University of California, Los Angeles. Museum of Cultural History

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Ebiegberi Joe Alagoa, ‎Tekena N. Tamuno · 1989 Land and People of Nigeria: Rivers State - Page 108


Chei, Yorubas have corrupted various sources online with Lagos-Ibadan media lies ooo. How vile can these people be that they are making Igbos, Europeans and Ijaws write lies about history like this.

LOL. All your articles started from 1980
You Yorubas are deeply Shameless. One thing is to propose and another is to defend. Until today did you know that your ancestors original clothing was animal skin?

Now you want to use your articles of 1980 upwards after the fall of Eastern Region to revise the history of first impression by the Europeans that dates 1800s

The history from the Europeans like I posted stated clearly of indigenous Igbo textiles and neighbouring nations to Igboland getting their textiles from there but from 1980, driven by inferiority complex Yorubas have made it a point of duty to link Igbo textiles to what they borrowed from Fulani


"Ijaw brought cloth making to Akwete" but Hugh Crow that spent over two decades (20 years) in Bonny never saw such.
Yorubas sef. Using your own lies and other revision as source. Mtcheww...

scholes0:
Yes Akwete is the town and that is exactly why I was talking about the place called Akwete and how they became contract weavers for Ijaws who liked the Yoruba textiles traded with them. Have I stated otherwise or are you just thick? Lmao.

University of Iowa is now a blog.
Alive in what argument you have absolutely no points, this is AM comedy.... But I get it, you need to make up for a lot..... your threads with superlative titles says all I need to know.... you've been lying from page 1 and continue lying only to say some people"lie a lot", even claiming "some igbo politicians" started wearing agbada-like styles out of 'forced inclusion in nigeria' ... your long texts won't save you from that inner emptiness...

Btw.... what's special about that contemporary wooden ikenga?

LOL @ your ignorance. "contract weaver for Ijaws" lol.
Is it the ijaws that were under Aboh and Aro jurisdictions?
Not only "University of Lowa" but Iyowa. You people are too funny. You think attaching "University" to the back of fraudulent work makes it authentic?
This was exactly what you tried with University of Ibadan. Once it is not first person report or from extensive proven archaeological research. It is just propaganda.

You asked what is special in the Ikenga? If it wasn't special, you wouldn't have said such. It literally reduced your Yoruba artifact to work of simple people when placed side by side.

BTW, are you talking about these ijaws?

scholes0:
lol. I said in Akwete which is the exact location in discourse, you are posting an 1800s voyage of a European writing about the whole of igboland....

He even says Yorubas were naked...lmao... is this how to be naked in your books?

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I won't waste my time arguing with you, I can see you have a penchant for avoiding main points, lying and diverting the discussion elsewhere. I post links to University websites, and you keep calling them "Yoruba blogs" to keep yourself happy. To me, a discussion with you will lead to nothing but more lies... I had to go look at some of your previous cloud 9 threads. LMAO.

Continue posting colorized pictures of scantily dressed Aniomas from the 1900s like say na one kain ancient image.... You go dey alright las las.

And OP said you guys are cultural vultures, you are typing rubbish as if he lied.

If you have an atom of knowledge in history, you would have known that Akwete is the name of the town that manufactures the cloth

You post links to "university websites". You must be talking of the same university website like Ibadan press that published Alagoas fake history.
Yorubas are known for lies and this discussion is a proof.

There is a big difference between historic records and articles. The latter can't supercede or stand when the first is presented.

As for that artifact you posted as maybe your last surviving chance of being alive in the argument, you should have imagined what my reply will be.
You can compare with the Ikenga from Northern Igboland below

Whenever Ndigbo are talking about history, innovation, and ancient civilisations, you Yorubas should keep shut and lower your heads. We are not mate, we initiate while you people are influenced by others

scholes0:
This guy must be very silly I swear....

The obi of Onitsha and the other Aniomas must have copied their dressing from this Fulani boy on the left.... How dare he wear an inner shirt and throw fabric across his shoulder... Both of them even have brass ornaments on their arms close to the elbow.... damn copy cats!!

They say great civilisation think alike but the main aim of the picture is about the materials. Unlike you, Ndigbo didn't have any single contact with Fulani until Nigeria was established.
Putting cloth halfway across the shoulders is an ancient way of dressing which Ndigbo as well as Greeks, Romans,, Berbers, the Amharas of Ethiopia, Jews, Massai of Kenya and other impressive civilisations share.
Yorubas can't be out in the same line with these great civilisations because you don't even wear clothes.

That Obi of Onitsha dressing is a proof of great civilisation (Igbo, Greek, Romans etc) thinking alike

scholes0:
looool.. The mere fact that you are so combative and insultive about facts of history is very telling.
.... if your thinking was not upside down, you would know that all Sub saharan African ethnic groups used animal skins as forms of ceremonial garb. Yorubas would occasionally use animal skins in things like ceremonial functions, that much is not new.... but trust me, the weaving of cotton and other typically savannah crops got to the Yorubas before it did the igbos.
And to say Yoruba had only things like leopard skin as clothing shows how much you have to learn still.
.

Your first paragraph answered your last confusion.
The bottom line of both is that Cloth is not indigenous to Yorubas. You didn't think it out, you copied and you have already accepted that it was from the Sahara. So unlike You Yorubas, trans Saharan trade wasn't obvious in Igboland, so we didn't get anything from the Sahel.
Now who came from the Sahara to Nigeria?
Answer is Fulani.

You posted picture of Burkinabe Fulani (which you think was taken in sudan grin) in typical pan-sudanic clothing shared by several groups and ascribe it to the creation of Fulas...lol. You don't even know that typical Fulanis were only very scantily dressed. Till today nomadic fulani are still barely covered.... some of their people with limited contact with civilizing groups still move about with b*o0bs out.

This is what Google lens to people.
So you saw "du mossi" and you are still confused. This is about history and appropriate names are used.
Please ask someone to tell you what "French Soudan" is.

Old Oyo was in the savannah plains right with the Nupe, Bariba, Songhay, and further afield; Hausa and Mali areas you mentioned, and of course there was cultural diffusion and many aspect of shared similarity, who is denying that? Lmao That is how civilization and spread of ideas work in a typical world. So, while the earliest form of the agbada style may have been developed somewhere in the sahara desert, I haven't come across any peer reviewed article that categorically states the ethnicity that developed it.... and that style today is as Nupe as it is Yoruba or Fula...... except of course each group (most especially the Yorubas) have domesticated it even further and adapted it to something uniquely theirs.... But one thing is sure, it is NEVER Igbo, and yet you lots wear it, which only proves the thread OP right!

This right here ends the discussion. What else to argue when you already accepted that none of those clothes are indigenous to yorubas but came as a result of Saharan influence which I stated.
I also stated where it came from and the Yoruba groups that first has that contact which is Ilorin from Nupe and Fulani. Aso oke was Fulani and the other buba styled is Nupe.
One thing I will like you to understand is that the Saharan baban Riga which you Yorubas call Agbada's origin is known worldwide. It is from Tuaregs/Berbers of Maghreb. The cloth was designed to withstand desert storm. Put it as a cloth + tenth. Some Igbo politicians started wearing it after our forced inclusion to Nigeria. Unlike you shameless people, we don't claim what is not ours.

Now to the question of diffusion of Aso olona styles from the Ijebu riverine areas into the east... there are plenty of scholarly articles for you to go read about it.... not blog posts like you keep yapping. If it massages your ego to keep thinking that it idn't happen , all well and good.... But what the OP said is something I have noticed to be indeed true. In a typical Igbo event, you will see cut and join culture from all over Nigeria, Europe and the Americas.... from European walking sticks and trousers to East Asian batiks, damasks, velvets and other fabric, to North African Maghrebi and Ottoman fez hats, to European styled crowns and fashion canes to European introduced hats to Edo styles to Yoruba styles to everything basically. .... Anyways, borrowing is not a crime.

Now this part is the comedy designed to end your confusion with laughter .
You have scholarly articles but you keep on posting your blogs. You don't actually need blogs to prove anything if you know what you are saying.
If, I repeat "if" the Aso oke Fulani brought to Yorubas later on got to Igbo, then Igboland would have been included in trans Saharan trade route, but No, it isn't. So you see my dear Yoruba man, you can't wish things into existence. If you have seen and felt Akwete before, you won't be having this confusion. The only people that introduced things to the other is Igbo to Yorubas. One typical example is blacksmithing which helped reduce the reliance on Nupe and very inaccessible/unreliable ones from fellow Yorubas.
Finally, the acclaimed fez hat. I believe you were the one I cured his ignorance in one thread like that. Igbo red hats have always been there with the Ọzọ society, the only thing that changed is material.
One of your fellow ignoramus claimed it was introduced for warrant chiefs in early 1900s but the slave traders and early Europeans saw and recorded it in 1800s. We also have bronze masks of 9th century depicting it as well.

scholes0:
looool.. The mere fact that you are so combative and insultive about facts of history is very telling.

^^ As you can see even the cotton akwete women wove with was imported because cotton would not grow naturally in a place like Akwete.

Yoruba clothing history is way more extensive and older than anything from igboland, don't let me disgrace you here with books of real life accounts (which you so hungrily crave for) of what writers of yore met in igboland.

"Disgrace me?" what are you waiting for? Bring it on.

It is quite a shame that you Yorubas sedentary lifestyle of not travelling much also reflect in your reading. You don't read past outside the lies you deceive yourselves with about yourself in your backwards region.
The level illiteracy and ignorance about other nations in Yorubaland is quite alarming. I doubt there is a single Yoruba man that knows shit about their neighbours talkless of those of entirely different culture like Ndigbo.

You might need to have a word with Captain Hugh Crow on Igbo not having cotton and making cotton clothes