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solite3:
What do you mean by persona?...

The answer to this question will make you fully grasp the concept of a persona. "Despite being separate persons, how come YHWH and Jesus are one?".

solite3:
God is Almighty,
If Jesus is God then he is Almighty
If the Holy Spirit is God then he is Almighty
If The Father is God he is Almighty.
Because being The Almighty is a quality of the nature of God.

Acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

One mistake men always make is comparing God to measurable and perishable things they can feel or see.

What makes God Almighty are
1. Infinit in wisdom and knowledge/ Ominiscence

The Spirit of God possesses this,

Isaiah 40:13-14 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

Jesus is said to know all things
John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

2. Omnipresence,
The Holy Spirit is said to be omnipresent

Psalms 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

Jesus said he will be anywhere believers gather together, meaning he is omnipresent
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


3, omnipotent

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

In fact saying the Spirit of God is not Almighty is saying God is not Almighty but yet separate from the Father.

Have you ever said or better still, is it plausible to say "The Jesus of YHWH" or "The Anas of solite3"? No!!! Why? They are different persons. Now, how is it that then we say " The spirit of God" or "The body of Christ" or "The mind of solite3". How? Because Spirit, body or mind are not a person but a Persona

jesusjnr:
If you're truly willing, earnestly ask God to help you, and He would!!!

I would be praying for you also bro.

God bless.

Actually, I want to learn. What does it entail? The foremost is 1. Doing the will of God. But, is that all there is to loving God?

Anas09:
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Tell me about this part.

jesusjnr:
Ok oh....I hear you, but only after you first do this:

Mark 12:30 (KJV)

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

I want to learn, How can this be done?

solite3:
Are you sure you read what I wrote?

Do you know what a persona means??

Anas09:
See? You don't understand who Jesus is.

Jesus is not a reflection of God, we are.

Jesus is really YHWH Himself.

And that Meme of that atheist, lol. Yeah, pretty much, that is what it is. It may sound stupid to you, but didn't the Bible say the things of the spirit sound stupid to carnal people?

Your soul has relaxed. I'm glad...
Now, Jesus is really YHWH Himself Where in the bible was it expressed?

solite3:
I am going to be given scriptural verses not head assumptions.

Is God the Father greater than Jesus or the Holy Spirit?

First and foremost let me clarify that God is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

This is usually regarded as One of the shema in israel.
It sates that God is one united being.
There is order withing the trinity but does not translates to who is greater or lesser for God is one.

Those who claim there is one God Almighty and then the other are just gods have succeded in creating polytheism for themselves.

No qualms in all what you've said. The holy spirit is not a person, he is a persona..

Anas09:
How?

Did you see the attachment?

Anas09:
Really? Pls explain to me how my views can make one an atheist.

I am just not in the mood for this right now, may be I would find time and we wld talk about this.

Jesus is YHWH Bros. He is not different from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

It is inconsequential but people have turned away through it.

Anas09:
Then you should go further and explain why Jesus took up all the attributes of YHWH. Was He an impostor?

How can YHWH the father be Lord, and Jesus the Son also be Lord?

I don't even want to get started on this.

You know zilk about the Word of God.

When you look at the mirror, what do you see? The exact replica of your physical form.
Is the image an imposter?? No, it is a reflection.

solite3:
The problem I have with you is that you deny that the holy Spirit is a person distinct from the Father and Son.......

It would have been easy for us both if you had given answer to my question.
The answer is this, the Holy-Spirit is a "persona". Now, do you know what a persona is?

jesusjnr:
I pray you love God even more, because He deserves all the love He could possibly get.

Thanks.

And He told me to love "My neighbour" as myself...

jesusjnr:
With respect to the bolded, ..........
God bless.

I love you, God bless....Once more, I LOVE YOU!!!!

Anas09:
Only if you wld show me where the Bible says there are three persons in one God

As Christians, we do not argue, we never will. Let us enlighten each other with the bible. Your stance on Trinity is very bad. I know "Jesus is God" but not in the same sense which you view it. Your kind of view has made so many people atheists.

Anas09:
Only if you wld show me where the Bible says there are three persons in one God

Sister, I am against this!!!!!

Anas09:
That Chapter actually says Jesus is God hahahahahahaha. See? I know you are confused

Okay, cull out bible verses from the chapter that backs your claim.

solite3:
The problem with this generation is that you dont want sound doctrine fom the bible, you only want motivational preaching, head knowledge, visions and erroneous unbiblical revelation.

Therefore the need to learn from eachother and using the bible as our reference..
We agree Jesus and God are different persons but one. Now, I want to enlighten us on something thus the question... "How can two persons be the same?"

Anas09:
It will confuse you more if I begin to explain to you what He meant when he refered to YHWH as His father and Him being sent.

Just know that right now as we speak, Jesus is not a separate entity from YHWH in heaven. They are no two or three (God) personalities in heaven.

There's only One God abd His name is Jesus.

Read the chapter 1 of Hebrews top to bottom. When you are done, you will erase all you've said..

solite3:
scripture pls.
You are talking from your head not the written word

Jesus: I and my father are one...
I- first person
My father- Second person
Thus different personality, "Are One" yet the same.
This is from the scripture, Do you agree with it? If you do, Good!!! Now answer this question
"How can two different person be one?"

blueAgent:
Note: There is nothing like God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit in the Bible.

I agree with you that Jesus came out from the father, as this can be proved with Bible verses and Jesus on words.

but the Holyspirit is not a God but the spirit of God, it is not a person distinct as the father and son are, but it is the spirit of God and his son which represents their presence,power, will, mind.

Note no where in the Bible are we told to worship or pray to the Holyspirit.

To a deep extent, you are right about the holy spirit!!!! I just haven't gotten to explaining that aspect....
God THE SPIRIT.. Doesn't mean the spirit is separate, it's just to say that God (is still) the holy spirit as the spirit is HIS(possessive pronoun).. Just as your mind is still YOU "blueAgent" and not a separate person of it's own. The mind is your physical spirit, the software of your physical form . Therefore you are your mind, and YOU and your mind are one (same person).
GOD THE FATHER... The bible tells us times without numbers that God is our heavenly father and our Father is God. So in simple sentence; God (is) the father.
In this way, I am right but is this how everyone sees the Trinity
Thus the title of this thread: The trinity confusion.
Do you now concur with this;
God is the Father, God is the spirit, and God is in the Son..

solite3:
The holy Spirit is a separate person from both the father and the Son,

The holy Spirit is said to be grieved, he speaks and shows every characteristic of a person but distinct from God.
He is the only Person of the God head who is actively on earth today in the beliver.

Your definition of "person" is actually a problem here...
I would want to express something about the "Holy spirit" but I will hold that for now.
Do we both agree that Jesus and the Most High God are two separate person but one spirit?

I stand in no different position @solite3... What I was indicating was that the personality isn't one. Many Christian proclaimed that Jesus is not a different person from the most-high-God and thus it is the same person that was crucified. Where have I then preached heresies
How is the holy spirit a separate person from God?

Why do many Christians equate Jesus with God?
(I never said this is wrong. All I want is an answer)

Anybody with an answer....
Was it the Most-High-God that came down from heaven to die for our sins??

solite3:
Stop propagating heresy.
You are totally wrong, trinity was established from the bible.

Biblical references sir....

Do not confuse others!!!!! As many atheist have been discouraged from seeing the light through this only. Churches have been divided even Christians have been divided.
God is the Father,
God is the holy spirit, and
God is IN the Son.

Martinez19:
matter can neither be created nor destroyed. The universe is all there was, all there is and all there will be. Even though matter changes from one form to another, it's still matter.

While you draw that fleeting breathe
When your eyes are closed in death
When you soar through tracts unknown
You surely will see him on his Judgement throne.
The belief in eternal sleep will shake
You would give any thing to see another day break
Help you will find there will be none
God you will find there will be one
Not that you can't reach him, but you are gone.

The Enlightenment II {Is Christ God?}
Look out and search, read the bible and meditate on it. Jesus declared it, the demons knew it, even the apostles showed it.
I am a bit rusty and I'm not really a fan of quoting bible verses but I am sure these are words of Christ and not mine.
Matthew 10:40"He that recieves you receives me, he that receiveth me receiveth HE THAT SENT ME".
Matthew 11:25 " I thank you FATHER, lord of heaven and earth, that you have......"
Matthew 10:33 "Whoever denies me before men, I will also deny before my FATHER who is in heaven.
Matthew 8:29 " What have you to do with us, O SON OF GOD"
Another one, was when Jesus was teaching and told those present that he hasn't come on his own accord but everything he hath done and is to do hath been of the FATHER".{Anyone that remembers the bible reference for this should please help me out with it}.....
He that hath the truth in him let him confirm that this are the words of Christ and that Christ was openly declaring that he wasn't our Heavenly father, He is the Son of the father.
He through propitiations has even bestowed the grace that we also may be Sons of the Most-High-God [Just as He (Lord Jesus) is]
Why do many believers preach foolish doctrines that the Most-High-God was the one who came down in human form?
Why then Do many Christians equate Jesus with God?
(I demand an answer)
Cc: OLAADEGBU Jesusjnr Anas09 MuttleyLaff solite3 blueAgent

God is the father,
God is the holy spirit, and
God is IN the son"...

Who then has an answer to this questions??
IF Jesus was God-The father;
1. When Jesus came to earth in flesh, who was directing the affairs in heaven? Or was there still the Father in heaven since he was here on earth manifested in flesh?
2. Every prayers and reverences Jesus made while on earth, to whom was it directed to? Was it to himself?
{As Christians, do not confuse yourself with foolish doctrines. For you have only one teacher which is Christ. And remember Christ is the word of God. Therefore, anything that doesn't go in line with what the bible has stated is foolishness and poisonous to our maturity in Christ}

The Jehovah witness body believes that Jesus Christ is not the Most-High-God while some other christian body believes that Jesus Christ is God himself. Who is right and who is wrong?
The answer is, NO ONE IS WRONG. It just depends on the basis from which you have stated your view.
Heb 1:8
But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom."
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and THE WORD WAS GOD"
The above bible verses are one of the core reasons some Christian believe that Jesus Christ is actually God-The father.
THE ENLIGHTENMENT I {Who is Christ}
Out of the rib of man was the woman formed, so that in many likeness, she shall be like the Man. Out of the spirit was the word formed and of the word was Christ formed {made manifest as flesh and given an entity of his own}. Thus, Christ became an independent personality of his own.

Do you know what God saw in Christ? He saw His reflection, his exact imprint of nature and the radiance of His own Glory (Check out Heb 1:3) and for this , God was most pleased with him and he gave him the greatest honor of all. He begat Christ and made him his Son. And it was made established that Christ is the son of the Most-High-God. There is so much more to this, he that reads let him learn.
Well, let us shed more light...
On the keys......