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petra1:
And you're more foolish a Christian if you trust more in the flesh than in God.

Pro 3:5 — Pro 3:6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him,
and he shall direct thy paths.

Jer 17:5 — Jer 17:6
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.


Jer 17:7 — Jer 17:8
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit

Trusting does not mean you should not work or study. It rather enhance your effort by crowning it with success.

Petra my beloved, do not be beclouded by sentiments and emotions please. Check the picture the OP posted - it connoted that Christians in need of wealth are in mass prayer meeting to provoke whatever blessing, whereas the instituted place dedicated for such marks none of them in attendance.

However, the way God handles one that is of his own is different from the way God handles people who are do not acknowledge him, or say, do not fully belong to him.

Egypt, despite being the tormentors of the Israelites didn't pray to God (for they knew him not), yet the land was green and everything flourished!

The Israelites that were of God, in many cases starved, thirsted, groaned and murmured. Unlike the Egyptians, they MOSTLY had to ASK God before he provided.
Like in the case of manna falling from heaven. Like in the case of Moses striking a rock. And so on.

I've ventured into some investment with people who are not Christian, and those that really don't take God serious. Guess what? Despite all the glad tidings written about the children of God in the Bible, while the others were smiling to the bank, I was gnashing my teeth.
Then, I noticed that everytime I cry out to the lord with brokeness (just like the Israelites), I get a green day. Whenever I don't, Oin, nothing comes forth.
PS: That crying out (not literal though) doesn't pass 2 minutes. I will rather expend 3hours reading the bible than waste it on - O God, give me this, O God, give me that.

I'm still experimenting, but I believe that is actually to instill something to me as a son. When I grab the lesson, I won't have to call everyday before he shepherds me financially.

In summary;
If you are a Christian, it is requires that you seek wisdom and understanding.
Hard work or smart work should not be replaced with prayer. Be diligent and ask of him, watch him bless the work of your hands just as he did to his.

Keep doing your 5-hours O God, give me this... I'm betting my left testicle, even if your level changed, it wasn't because of your lengthy prayers, you just happen to encounter God's mercy.

enilove:
You didn't get my point .

To start with , it is foolishness to run after wealth . Not that you should not work and plan but seek God first and Holiness , then God will bless you and , at the end , you will not end in hell .

Foolishness is not running after wealth. It is running after wealth at the expense of God's will.

Read :
Proverbs 15:24 KJV
The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Matthew 6:33-34 KJV
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. [34] Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

The writer and the speaker didn't say - Seek ye alone. He said - seek ye FIRST...
Fact check - Many ministries burned out (or say, didn't achieve their potential) because money was lacking! Even Jesus' ministry had financial pillars.

Mark 4:19 KJV
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and end in hell ?

God first . As you are studying and planning for your future commit everything in God's hand . You don't need so much wealth to be happy . The wealth God will grant you will last forever and if you are contented , you will glorify God every day till you die .

Many have attended seminars and have nothing to show for it .

As said before, foolishness is the pursuit for wealth at the expense of your salvation.

1. I'm speaking with respect to the context of the OP's post.
What he meant was - People in need of wealth are going to cry the voice out in a church while the instituted place to source the knowledge for it marks no one in attendance.

In this case, it's not Salvation vs Wealth. It's actually - do you want wealth as a Christian, where ought ye to be?

I have experimented on myself and observed different believers - whether it's sweet to your ears or not, supplicatory prayers is not the key to wealth.
I know many screaming at the top of their voices asking God to return their glory since 2000. Guess what? Them never return that glory till now.

In the pursuit for wealth, wisdom is needed.
There is a kind of wisdom that comes by virtue of your interaction with the cosmos, I call it COSMICAL WISDOM

There is a kind of wisdom that comes by virtue of your diligent dealings with the person of God and HIs word, I call it DIVINE WISDOM.

There is one other wisdom, but I need not to speak of it.

There was this skill I learnt halfway and in the rush to start making money, I started creating awareness and taking it to the dedicated market. Brother, business was dry!
I pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, Oin, nothing changed!

However, by divine wisdom, I got the revelation that God blesses things on just 3 conditions. One of which is - THAT WHICH IS GOOD.
When God blessed the works of his hands, he blessed them for they were GOOD. He is a Mastercraft himself, all the works of his own hands are perfect.
You as a son shouldn't be a bastard. What you do should be so so Good that it's almost perfect.
Solomon caught this revelation and he said - Seeth a man that is diligent in his work, he shall stand before kings.....

So, I upped my skill (became a master in my craft) and tried again. This time, business flourished!

enilove:
Because we know the ideas of men can fail but not of God.

Because we know that our God is wiser than all the professors of this world put together .

Because the Bible tells us in :

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


Which means we should trust God more than men.

The top world billionaires are found mostly in the business room, not the prayer room.

You are a foolish Christian if you make supplications far more than you work [whether hard work or smart work].

I've seen a whole congregation chanting the mantra "My year of financial breakthrough" since year 2000. This is 2020 and you know what, their levell haven't changed!

Stick with what works bro. It's God programming that permits result. If hard work/smart work is what brings financial abundance, then that's exactly what you should channel your energy to.

Everyday, all i see is some zealous watcher hoping the rapture happens tomorrow.

Everyday, all I see is the same Trinity vs non-trinity based topics.

Everyday, all I see is, the same dry - God's proof of existence palava.

Ain't there no deep truths to quake into anymore?

Even the atheists self are not as interesting as they used to be.

MaxInDHouse:
God love the world so much that he gave his only begotten SON so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life! John 3:16

The main purpose of Jesus' coming to the earth is to DIE for sin of mankind! Mark 10:45

The one and only organization whose members can defend this verse with confidence, accuracy and efficacy is JW Organization, because they're the ones given the spirit to preach and teach effectively. That's why they're speaking with one voice as the spirit of truth abides with them! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

So if you're not with them you'll always go about arguing with people despite claiming the same faith, you will never come to an agreement {Luke 11:23} unless if you just keep your nonsense and ingredients all to yourself!

God's Holy Spirit only works with those who are willing to yield to wise counseling not rebellious people who just feel like justifying their way of life! Romans 10:2-3; 2Timothy 4:3-4

May you have PEACE!

He can't see this, the OP is dead already.

Only readers-by (that are alive of course) still have the benefit to pick 1 or 2 truths from it.

Despite all these, a clueless citizen will still take his bath, dress up and go vote for a PDP or APC presidential candidate.

Despite all these, a clueless youth whose friend suffered injuries during the endears protest will still vote and root for another clueless president.

2023 go shock all of us. If Buhari can go for third term, the lots of Nigeria's citizens will still vote for him.

Until sense fall on you all, you will continue to enjoy unlimited insecurity, No-light, High cost of living and premium hardship till Year 2100.

kkins25:
Are you saying christ and yaweh do not represent the same authority??

Christ, under YHWH's authority.

Shall we call this a necessary defect?
No!
Man's reactive and proactive nature can be argued to be largely dependent on his experience and natural instinct.
In the ghetto, any little boy born there is more likely to grow up smoking and drinking. Sure, he might even become addicted.

In a runs area, a girl is most likely to grow up being used to wearing revealing clothes and used to a promiscuous lifestyle.

Also, I noticed - every innocent baby sees the fire as something attractive until he/she touches it. When she get the revelation of what fire can do, he/she never finds fire inviting anymore and won't touch.

Whether we like it or not, every single human is subjected to one programming or the other. It doesn't matter, be it an environmental programming, instinctive programming or whatever, you must subscribe to one.

In all honesty, even YHWH has is programming. To lie is something within the capacity of any average human. However, YHWH, despite all the Omni-potency and all ascribed to him, He CANNOT LIE!
It's not his fault, it's His nature, his self-programming!

YHWH is well aware of all these! He knows! He sees your struggle with your own nature!

Even David acknowledged this saying he knows that we are dust. Paul said what he wants to do is not what he ends up doing; moral logic/reasoning suggests that he should tell the truth, but he still finds himself naturally speaking lies.

Then he asked - who will save me from this wretched programming?

That's where the work of Christ comes in.
"Come and let me treat you, come let me fix you. I will lay your corrupt self on my working board and I will chop you to pieces. Like the refiner's fire I will melt you completely till you are no longer yourself. Then will I build in you another nature, another programming, and you will leave my operation room incorrupt.
Even if you try to lie, you won't be able to. Even If you try to fornicate, you won't be able to.
In summary, anything outside the will of God will become an impossibility."

Sin is not an action, sin is a nature. However, there is that unrestrained choice to continue to dwell in that nature, or go under the cross and be reprogrammed with a new nature.

kkins25:
yes he did. But in the past we did not see ourselves as animals, we were ignorant of the fact that like animals our decision making has been built up from billions of years of evolution.
That is what this thread hopes to find out. Sin is the same for you and i in terms of the doctrine of christianity, islam and judaism. Doing that which is against the will of God.
Given that God (having supposedly created the world) has imposed upon men the capability to evolve which includes making a whole of lot of mistakes to figure out what the right path is. then why would they be punished for making the mistakes that they were intended to make in the first place.

The reason why companies that run social media invest heavenly in studying Human Behavior is because they know very well that Humans like the goose are subject to very delicate intrinsic mechanisms that are run to an extent- based on the balance of hormones, structure of neurons and experience gotten from the environment.

How does that relate to sin?
Greed, Lust, Envy, pride or whatever we have chosen to call them are actually behaviours that reside in our biological data for survival. For example take a look at addicts, serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc. We might consider them evil, which of course they are and might be but when you look at the situation more critically- like from a scientific and philosophical perspective; there are certain questions we need to ask.

1) why can't porn addicts stop wathcing porn when evidence for its detrimental effects kick in?
2) why would a loving man with a wife and kid go out in the night to hunt and murder a specific type of people?
3) humans are social creatures like bees in some sense. we thrive because we work as a collective, so why would one group(tribe/religion) be sworn to destroy another? "Thou shalt not kill" yet a few chapters after we get the same people going out on genocide missions. to summarise, why is there war

Philosophers even wonder and sometimes argue that the holocaust was a failed evolutionary attempt.

The very first fallacy is the arguement that people have free will. this arise from the ignorance of the proven science behind the limitations of these concept of free will.
extroverts dont have freewill to be introverts and vice versa. A man who has high sexual drive has less free will to resist the temptation of fornication.
As a matter of fact, sociopaths don't have any free will to not be sociopaths because they might have being born with the wrong combo of DNA. Thats why they get life imprisonment because if you release them back to society they would resume their business of serial killing. Those guys dont actually know what it means to feel "empathy". fascinating isn't it?

The sins of God are all mostly sins that have a biological framework which has been built from billions of years of evolutionary trial and error.

i cannot agree more!


Do note that i do not provide an excuse or a sort of justicfication for crimes against humanity.

Christianity,islam(i cant add judaism because i see the jews are evolving) was doomed to fail when it made a book documenting the wisdom of "God" and put a 'period' to mark the "end" of Revelations from God.

livingchrist:
Jesus does not just possess word of knowledge but he actually know all things.

All what? Someone that didn't know the exact day of the Lord. Someone that couldn't affirm to the Zebedees if they will occupy the office of the olives in the world to come.

You dont even know what you mean by saying Jesus knew all things about the father, for that alone mean Jesus is God.

Smiles.... You see livingchrist, there is an anointing that comes on you by virtue of the office you occupy.
Jesus as Christ [the messiah] is the reason why he knew all things of the person of the father.
That is one of those things the office of the messiah grants you.

If Jesus knew all things of the father then he knew all things but again
Jesus knew all things meaning he is omniscient for no mere creature can know everything about God whose ways are unsearchable.

No mere creature. But as the messiah, the grace for that abounds bountifully.
Read John 5:19-24

Romans 11:33
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Unsearchable, yet he has revealed them to us by his spirit.
Why? Because we are grafted into Christ as a result of this new birth experience.

Here, is Peter again repeated it that Jesus actually know all things,

John 21:17
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

....Till we grow and measure up to the stature and the fullness of Christ.
IfWhen anyone tends towards this bull's eye, all these super knowledge will be a piece of cake to him.
You know how many prophets of old knew deep secrets by the unction of the spirit?
You didn't see the holy spirit at work in Paul?
You didn't see the holy spirit at work in peter?

How does that make anyone of them, omniscient?

1 John 3:20
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

And who was this referring to?

livingchrist:
my next post will address this.

first of all, it is John chapter 16 not 14,

Secondly, what made the disciples to conclude Jesus knows all things is in verse 19

John 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?
They wanted to ask Jesus a question about what he meant but Jesus knew what they wanted to ask, this led them to know Jesus knows all things.
Note this question wasnt about the father but what Jesus actually meant.
The disciples clear meant Jesus is omniscience.

I expect you to be someone who is a vessel or at least experience what the Spirit of God can do to a man.
Paul discerned in his spirit that a girl whose words were true actually is possessed by a foul spirit.
Elisha knew of Gehazi's cut-deals without being there.
That's what many call WORD OF KNOWLEDGE.
How does Jesus demontrating the WORD OF KNOWLEDGE through the unction of the spirit of God equate to Jesus being omniscient?
Sorry bro, there is a limit to how far you can push this. That scripture never claimed son-of-man was omniscient.
Like I said, Jesus knew all things of the Father.

When we say Jesus is equal to Jehovah it means the same as Jesus is Jehovah.
Yes, Jehovah became man that is the meaning of Emmanuel.

When Jehovah became man, was Jehovah still seated in the throne of heaven?

Yes, every time.

livingchrist:
Jesus is Omniscience, He knows all things,

John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

Only Jehovah knows all things

To start with, we share same characteristic in some aspect does not mean we are the same.
1.Angels are immortal.
2.(Only) Jehovah is immortal
3.Angels are Jehovah.. QED.
This fallacy is one many trinitarians are quick to dabble into. Unfortunately, many of these oneness they claim is actually not even true in the purest sense.

Reading John 14:30 from context, you will definitely realize that they aren't saying Jesus is omniscient.
He was talking about the Father from the verse 1 of that chapter, and he said he will stop communicating with figures and reveal the father plainly.
Then the disciples replied him saying - they believe he knows all things (about the person of the father). From John 14 till when he was taken to be crucified, baba was just spitting deep bars about the person of the father.
Read John 17 , He said - This is life eternal, that they may know you.

#objection# why didnt Jesua know the time of his coming?

*answer*

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


Jesus took on flesh and became a human, Je was a little lower than the angels hence limited as a human but not as God.
Jesus could at limit himself to his humanity only.
Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist

Now, why don't you guys specify the Jesus [at least, the era, or state] which you refer to.
Jesus is equal to God? Okay, Jesus of which era?
Pre-earth Jesus?
Son-of-man Jesus?
Jesus ressurected?

According to you, Son-of-man Jesus is not Jehovah [at least, he is not equal to him].
8 is not the same as 4+2, why? They are not equal!

How about Jesus ressurected? Well, Jesus ressurected is a new creation, a new man (we both concur to this truth, don't we?), is he Jehovah?

That reminds me, what's your position please?
1. Jesus is Jehovah
2. Jesus is equal to Jehovah.

Jesus is Jehovah is equal to saying Jehovah is now a man. Why? Well,
1. Jehovah is Jesus
2. Jesus abides as a man
3. Jehovah abides as a man

Lol, Jehovah will laugh at you for claiming this.

Casalindal:
.......
NB I’m not an ingrate I do appreciate your kindness but stalking me has to stop

Your communication skill is very poor.

Ok.

Shortyy:
It's quite unfortunate that the only problem Nigerian men have is women. While women are soaring higher and living their best lives. They're living rent free in men's heads.

Soaring higher? Clown!

Brother, this is correct.

Ihedinobi3:
As I said and showed from the verse in Proverbs, it is always best to listen to the Bible and not make up theories. That is true wisdom. If the Bible says a thing, then it is true; if it does not, then at the very best we cannot be sure that it is true, and at worst it could be entirely false. And only the truth that we believe will actually set us free, not any theories that we espouse.

This is what the Bible says:

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 2:7 (NKJV)

​1 The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zechariah 12:1 (NKJV)

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
Psalms 139:13 (NIV)

These are things that the Bible actually says. I have never seen anywhere in the Bible that the Lord delegated the power to reproduce new human spirit beings to anybody. If you have a Bible passage that says this, I would be happy to read it and be corrected.

Human bodies are the machines that God uses now to produce new human bodies. Apart from Adam whom the Lord God created from the dust of the earth, every individual human being whom the Lord creates is crafted within another human body. However, just as the Lord put the spirit in Adam after forming his body from the earth so that he could live, so He also creates a new spirit and puts into every baby just as they exit their mother's womb. This is what the actual reading of the Scriptures leads me to believe. I see no biblical reason to believe anything else.

As for the Nephilim, this too is what I read in the Bible --

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4 (NIV)

The Bible calls them "men." That seems rather conclusive to me. Given the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 too and all the other prophecies about the Antichrist found in, for example, Daniel 11, Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28, and Revelation 13, it is obvious that being the product of Satan, an angel, and a Jewish woman, a human, does not mean that he is not human. He is certainly half-angel because of his parentage, but he is not other than human.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NIV)

I do agree that Satan wanted to reproduce his kind, but I don't think that by his kind "angels" are meant. I don't see any thing in the Bible to think that Satan even thought that it was possible to produce more angels. What seems obvious from my reading of the Bible is that Satan planned to create a new strain of humanity that would eventually replace all the pure humans in the world so that the Messiah promised in Genesis 3:15 would never be born. That was why the Bible made a point of saying that Noah was "perfect in his generations," (see Genesis 6:9 KJV and NKJV). That phrase was not speaking of his morality or relationship to God. That bit was covered by "righteous" and "walked with God." "Perfect in his generations" spoke to the purity of his humanity, that is, he was not a Nephilim. There were fewer and fewer human beings left as more and more women wanted to have Nephilim children too (who doesn't want to have children with "superior genes" that will be great in the world? Note the meaning of Noah's name and his father's stated reason for naming him that way, for example). Not only did this mean that more and more people were getting involved with rebel angels in a way that meant that if they had been believers previously, they probably wouldn't remain believers after such craziness. There may be a clue to this in the fact that Noah uniquely seems to have gotten married really late in life. His forebears generally had their first children before they turned 200, with some of them having children even before they turned 100, but Noah had his own children only after he turned 500. It is certainly possible that he married early and simply suffered a delay in childbirth as sometimes happens even with righteous men, but given the information in Genesis 6:1-2, it seems more likely that women were more interested in getting together with these angels that gave them such powerful children than in marrying ordinary men, much less "goody two-shoes like Noah." You'll remember that his 120-year preaching about the coming wrath of God went disregarded by everyone in his generation, so he must not have been wildly popular for being righteous.

The Nephilim are a great part of Genesis 6:5. We can see from the example of the Antichrist that Nephilim don't seem inclined at all to obedience to God. They seem to be wired to just be evil like their angelic parents. This is the reason in fact that the Lord brought the global flood that destroyed them. Ordinary human beings have always been evil, but some of us do repent of our wickedness, and we humans are ridiculously easy to kill. A global flood is not necessary to kill all human beings. But Nephilim are both unrepentantly wicked and also very hard to kill (again, the example of the Antichrist proves this), so a global flood brought to destroy them makes sense.

That is to say that while Satan indeed was looking to create his kind, he was not looking to create angels. He was looking to create a fatally corrupted human species that would replace all the normal human people in the world and he would have succeeded too if the Lord had not intervened for the sake of humanity.

I see nothing in the Bible to say that Nephilim are "earthbound spirits." The Antichrist is one and we know that he is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20). I also see no reason to think that they don't qualify for redemption. Again, this seems to me to be extrabiblical reasoning. Jesus did come to die for human beings, not angels, but the Bible calls Nephilim men. If it does, I see no reason to think that any Nephiyl that were to repent would not be saved. The only issue is that it appears that they never have any desire at all to be in good relations with God (Genesis 6:5). So, I would neither say that Nephilim are not qualified for salvation in the sense that I suppose that you mean, since in fact the Bible treats them as human too, nor say that they remain on earth to roam about without going to Sheol after they die. Neither seems to me to be in the Bible.

Blabbermouth:
Janosky my guy, let me ask you;
How is Man in the image and the likeness of the "US" (God and angels) in reference to Gen 1?

Janosky!

petra1:
Its available now. Why not check it out and judge for yourself. You know We could say dead sea scrolls were fake too

I've checked it out and i've judged, it's not the book of Jasher.
Except perhaps, the version I have with me is different from yours

petra1:
I dont agree. At least not in full.

The enemy has power. did God destroy the power he gave Satan?

None of the powers involved Satan creating or giving Life.

I do cast devils out. And I have witnessed demonic power . I have seen seen cases where Satan brings money to people supernaturaly . One particular lady who had issue with "spiritual husband " this spirits brings money to her . It shows in her purse or wardrobe when she needs it . It only stopped when the devil was cast put .

You are seated above every worldly power, nothing less than beating the hell out of demons is expected of you.

Spirits bringing money? Very possible!

There was another lady who receives clothes supernaturally. Whenever she needs one and expresses the desire . If she goes out and come back there would be bags of clothes in the locked room . I'm talking about designer clothes. After casting the spirit out . We had to bring the clothes out and set fire on them.

Okay, the above never pass satan power.

God never said Satan has not power

None of which involves life-giving.

I may encourage you to read the book of enoch and the book of jasher

Jasher? I will skip. Jasher's book hasn't been found.

It let's us know the supernatural in that generation both light and dark.

Ok.

kkins25:
Sin: The First Lie of God
Sin, many have been taught is the defiance of the laws of a so-called God but is it?
_**taught** is a word i chose because we ignorantly go around criticizing sinners even though we do not understand the technicalities of 'SIN'. Sin is what our pastors says it is- based on the books he too had read without commentary from the original author.

Sin can be considered to be the defiance of the law of God, whether deliberately or involuntarily- a sin is a sin, so the religious folks want us to believe. what if i told you, that God- from the onset has laid a beautiful foundation for the existence of sin. if there is anyone to blame for the sin of men, it is none other than God himself. Allow me to elaborate:

Let us take these beautiful goose for example, in an experiment carried out by Niko Tinbergen and Konrad Lorenzon a phenomenon called Fixed Action Pattern.
when the egg of a goose is misplaced(or rolls out) from the nest, the goose is observed to be triggered to use her beak to roll the misplaced egg back into place. now you might wonder what the significance of this phenomenon is to the concept of sin, well it has everything to do with it because that is not the only gist of the experiment.

weird case 1) Take an animate object probably moldable paper, now shapen the paper(paint if you must) to look and have the silhouette of the egg, place the egg besides a nesting goose.
Result: The goose automatically rolls the paper back into the nest.

Theist counter attack: The goose is not intelligent enough to differentiate between real egg and fake egg.

Weird case 2): Take a real goose egg from another goose nest, place it near the nest of our test subject.
Result: The goose takes the egg and rolls it into its own nest.
Theist counter attack: goose egg is goose egg. Even human beings babies get mixed up in hospitals.

Weird case 3): Take a real goose egg,if possible attach a string to it. Place it in front of the goose. then as soon as the goose begins or attempts to roll-in the egg, pull or remove the egg from the bill of the goose.
Result: The goose continues to roll the invincible egg into its nest.
Theist counter attack: God is great.

kkins: [img]https:///ujxe.gif[/img]

theist: What is the essence of this "goose logic"?

to be continued...

I still see no reason why any theist have to counter that Goose logic. Nowhere did YHWH the God of Israel hold any animal accountable for anything they did.
He spoke of himself in his might to Job, and made mention of how he denied an animal of wisdom when it comes to maternal care, but filled that same animal with strength to race in its seemingly weak legs.

Why would, why should YHWH hold man accountable for a set of actions called sin?

What exactly is sin itself?

The same logic you gave for that goose with not be consistent if it were tried on man.

A man on his own, can choose A today and go for B tomorrow.

A man on his own, can choose to lie today and go for Truth tomorrow.

That ability to make a choice is where the possibility of sin comes.

Adam could have chosen not to eat, and he could have eaten. The only problem is - you are not permitted to do anything not within the confines or boundary of the will of God.

By the way, I get your point, and it would interest you to know that Sin is actually not what many know it to be.
Smiles... The church of God's First son, Yahshua, need a conceptual putting aright of what sin actually is.

OOzz:
The south will move over and possess their lands

Your head dey dia.

DrLiveLogic, are you ready to write a new translation from the original Hebrew manuscript?
Here is the translation from many other versions, pick your poison;

New International Version
So I said: "Do not take me away, my God, in the midst of my days; your years go on through all generations.

New Living Translation
But I cried to him, “O my God, who lives forever, don’t take my life while I am so young!

English Standard Version
“O my God,” I say, “take me not away in the midst of my days— you whose years endure throughout all generations!”

Berean Study Bible
I say: “O my God, do not take me in the midst of my days! Your years go on through all generations.

New American Standard Bible
I say, "O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days, Your years are throughout all generations.

New King James Version
I said, “O my God, Do not take me away in the midst of my days; Your years are throughout all generations.

King James Bible
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

Christian Standard Bible
I say: "My God, do not take me in the middle of my life! Your years continue through all generations.

Contemporary English Version
You will live forever! Years mean nothing to you. Don't cut my life in half!

Good News Translation
O God, do not take me away now before I grow old. O LORD, you live forever;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I say: "My God, do not take me in the middle of my life! Your years continue through all generations.

International Standard Version
I say, "My God, whose years continue through all generations, do not take me in the middle of my life.

NET Bible
I say, "O my God, please do not take me away in the middle of my life! You endure through all generations.

New Heart English Bible
I said, "My God, do not take me away in the midst of my days. Your years are throughout all generations.

A Faithful Version
I said, "O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days; Your years endure throughout all generations.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He said to me, “Do not take me up in the middle of my days; your years are for a generation of generations.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I said, "My God, don't take me now in the middle of my life. Your years [continue on] throughout every generation.

JPS Tanakh 1917
I say: 'O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days, Thou whose years endure throughout all generations.

New American Standard 1977
I say, “O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days, Thy years are throughout all generations.

King James 2000 Bible
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: your years are throughout all generations.

American King James Version
I said, O my God, take me not away in the middle of my days: your years are throughout all generations.

American Standard Version
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: Thy years are throughout all generations.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are through all generations.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Call me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are unto generation and generation.

Darby Bible Translation
I said, My God, take me not away in the midst of my days! ... Thy years are from generation to generation.

English Revised Version
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

Webster's Bible Translation
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

World English Bible
I said, "My God, don't take me away in the midst of my days. Your years are throughout all generations.

Young's Literal Translation
I say, 'My God, take me not up in the midst of my days,' Through all generations are Thine years.

By the way, since you've started playing the cunning translation card, how about you declare now, the version of the bible we should reference throughout the convo.

DrLiveLogic:
Me:


Blabbermouth's quote:


My reply:


Blabbermouth's quote:


My reply:


Janosky quote:


My reply:


Janosky quote:


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My reply:

DrLiveLogic, I didn't see your mention this time and also the last time.

My last reply to you was incomplete. I couldn't finish it because it was very strenuous modifying and submitting, modifying and submitting, trying to import your replies so that I can reference them.

Maybe you should create a new moniker or something, this one is a pain in the ass.

SeunWedsLinda:
bro. I used to have this mindset but some things are out of the ordinary.

Do you engage in premarital sex?
Just put a pause to the sex part, don't break up yet.
See how things will go.

enilove:
God was actually speaking to Jesus Christ.

So, was Jesus Christ created?

divinemichael:
I ask this question, because of the teachings of certain sects and religious groups, such as Islam who claims Christ was just a prophet, the Jehovah witness who claim Christ is angel michael, and some other groups who try to discredit and deny the divinity and preexistence of Christ.

Okay.

I presume God's statement (come lets make man in our own image) in the book of "Genesis" was directed to Christ and possibly the holy spirit which is a proof for the doctrine of trinity...

You started with I presume... , then you went on to say ...is a proof...
How is your presumption a proof? Uhn?

Anyway if there's a contrary probative opinion with cogent evidences, am ready to learn and be corrected.

God willing, we are all open to learn and be corrected.
Word and spirit of God, are they A distinct [I mean, independent] entity from God?
If not, then why is God calling a part of him to come together and make men?

Janosky my guy, let me ask you;
How is Man in the image and the likeness of the "US" (God and angels) in reference to Gen 1?

Janosky:
God Almighty get Papa ?
Bros, your claim is FALSE.
Revelation 1:5-6, 3:21 in the spiritual realm Jesus Christ is a Son of his God and Father

Revelation 1:1,7, the Revelation that Almighty God gave to Jesus.

Your Bible says your claim is FALSE

Matthew 27:46 "my God my God why have you forsaken me"
Why will God Almighty be begging another Spirit Being to rescue him from death?
Shege to Trinity Fraud

Studylight Trinitarian website (screenshot) says your claim on Revelation 1:11 is FALSE.
"Alpha and omega" is NOT in the oldest Greek manuscripts of Revelation 1:11.

John 3:16-18,36 Condemnation na serious matter ooo.

Your Bible said so.
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DrLiveLogic:
@blabbermouth quote:
My reply

This is psalm 102 below, highlight the part you speak particularly of

17 He will respond to the prayer of the destitute;
he will not despise their plea.
18 Let this be written for a future generation,
that a people not yet created may praise the Lord:
19 “The Lord looked down from his sanctuary on high,
from heaven he viewed the earth,
20 to hear the groans of the prisoners
and release those condemned to death.”
21 So the name of the Lord will be declared in Zion
and his praise in Jerusalem
22 when the peoples and the kingdoms
assemble to worship the Lord.
23 In the course of my life he broke my strength;
he cut short my days.
24 So I said:
“Do not take me away, my God, in the midst of my days;
your years go on through all generations.
25 In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
and they will be discarded.
27 But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.
28 The children of your servants will live in your presence;
their descendants will be established before you.”

Psa 102:22-27 ...when the people are gathered and united, and the kingdoms, to serve YAHWEH who subdued His power in His way and cut short His days. They will say, "O God, who were taken up in the middle of your days, yet your years are from generation to generation for in the beginning, you laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the product of your hands. They'll perish, but you'll remain. Yes! They'll all wear out like a cloth and as a vesture you'll change them, and they'll be changed while you are the same, and your years will have no end"



Here, the psalmist describes how the nations gathered to worship God, YAHWEH saying that though his earthly days were cut short, in reality, he lives on because he cannot possibly die who is creator of the heavens and the earth and the psalmist also shows that rather than creation putting an end to Him through the cross, he is the one that will rather put an end to his creation and change it like we change clothes i.e. you can expect Him at anytime he chooses to put an end to all he has created including angels and create afresh like how we take off old clothes and put on new clothes.

This was your exegesis turned eisegesis from psalms 102.
Where did you get that funny version from? @Ps. 102:23-24?
You use a flawed interpretation to promote your position, that's very bad boy.

My reply
"Exegesis and straw man's". Smh, LMAO!. Don't try to make things that's so simple complicated. The Spirit spoken of here is the "...just as by the Spirit of the Lord" (v18) who "changes us from glory to glory" and the Lord, our Yeshua, is the one to whom their hearts must turn toward and away from Moses, (v16) and "the Lord is the Spirit" (v17).

Hahahahahahaha, I'm asking you - what are then inferring?
Don't hide behind curtains, are you saying Jesus is the Holy Spirit?

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FatherOfJesus:
I think you are running away because you lack basic scientific knowledge

I really can tell you where all the elements you were made of came from with evidence and it’s certainly not from mud.

The genesis story is a complete lie and you need to tell me more lies to cover those lies.

Guy, is it so hard to understand? You are saying crap, you don't have a single evidence.

We have the bible's account. You, imposter, tell me how man was created.

Seems you will understand better that way.

FatherOfJesus:
now I have to shout oh Jesus. You still don’t get it.

Even ancient Mesopotamian citizens knew that night and day has to go by for a day to pass. And here are you living In the computer age asking this question

Day [Light] and Night [darkness], you say. Nice!
What contrary then, did the bible claim?

FatherOfJesus:
how can I load someone who doesn’t understand basic planetary geography?

I need to start from the basics with you.

You barely know how days on earth are counted

Why are you so goatmatic?
Before you knew anything about sun orbiting earth, how do you count days on earth?

FatherOfJesus:
I can’t believe you don’t see that you need earth to orbit the sun for days to come to pass. And you bible said earth was created before sun.
You no get sense ni?

It's almost like you have nothing to say anymore. In your mind, your questions are some tough questions, e shock am sey na bread and butter.

I read what you wrote above and realized I will only be repeating myself.
This is what you get when you discuss with someone who has no solid bedrock understanding of something.