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solite3:
The bible teaches that the holy Spirit has a mind of his own, has emotion, is an He, speaks and hear. These are the qualities of a person.

My soul/spirit has all these also. Is it a separate person from me? No!!!!
Because the spirit was personified does not fully make it a person.
Your biblical ref should show where the spirit was a separate person from God. And now how it is personified as a person.
You are rigid to your belief and would never understand what I want you to. I will show you some few bible verses to finalize. If it still doesn't enlighten you, keep to what you belief in.
God bless..

solite3:
Yahweh didnt need to address his Spirit as a separate person, all that is needed is the evidence that points out the Spirit as a separate person from the bible.

Your question is like asking "where did God say he created the Angels?" Such questions only need the evidence from the bible to prove Angels were among the things God created.
God bless

@the bolded..... Can you see again?...HIS SPIRIT. He owns the spirit. GOD IS SPIRIT (1 John). A person is NEVER possessed by another person.
You have a body
You have a soul/spirit.
Everything you can attribute to yourself (as you stated in the other thread) can be attributed to your soul/spirit. Is the soul/spirit therefore a separate entity from you? No!!! Can it exist outside of you? No!!!. In fact, when you say "I am angry" who is angry?. When you say "MY spirit is angry" who is angry?.
The spirit is never a person!!!!!
The spirit is God's own spirit.
Don't turn the scriptures to suit you. It is not "The spirit and God" {as we have in the case of "the father and son "} it is " The spirit of God " or the "Holyspirt (which is the spirit of God).
Re-read and God bless you.

Maximus69:
(2) There is nothing like MYSTERY in God's word! What we have is SACRED SECRETS but the translators mistranslated the text as MYSTERY!

The difference between these two is that MYSTERY means something that is incomprehensible so you can't explain for someone else to understand.
While SACRED SECRETS is hidden truth for certain reasons, of course interested students can learn and fully understand it so as to teach others! Luke 8:9-17

Literally, you are right. I used the word "mystery" because not everyone understands the term "sacred secrets". Though the meaning of " sacred secret" is what I meant as "mystery".

shadeyinka:
Which of this is wrong?
My Body is a Person!
My Soul is a Person!
My Spirit is a Person!

The Father is a Person
The Word (Son) is a Person
The Holy Spirit is a Person

Father only! {When the word has not been manifested into flesh}...
Father and Son {as the word has been manifested into flesh and became an entity of its own}.
Word became flesh!!!!
Word became flesh!!!!
Word became flesh!!!!
Please understand this.

shadeyinka:
God is:The FATHER who Will/Decide what to be
God is:The WORD who Commands/Expresses/Broadcast the Father's Will
God is: The HOLY SPIRIT who Carries Out/Perform the Authority of the Word expressing the Will.

Whether the "Will" or "Word" it was manifested into flesh. Thus one {even though still one} became two persons. Do you agree the holyspirit is not a separate person from God?

Maximus69:
Let love lead!

LOVE does not condone senselessness {unrighteousness}, LOVE rejoice with FACT {truth}. 1Corinthians 13:6

I read all you wrote, and it's exactly what I've said and stood by in this thread. I stated that the holy spirit is not a person, that there is one most high God and He isn't the same person with christ but they are all one. Do you have any problem with this?.
About it being inconsequential, you may not understand the mystery and you actually do not need to...
God bless.....

shadeyinka:
Please note:
There is a difference between the mind of a person and his spirit.

And what is this difference?
My main objective is not to term the spirit and the mind as one. But we being humans, we understand with the term "Mind" better. God spirit MIGHT NOT be HIS mind. But what I was showing was, The spirit is not a person

solite3:
the cearest place in the bible God spoke with all persons on the God head is Genesis 1vv26, Genesis 3 vv 22 , and Genesis 11vv7

The use of "Us" hasn't justified anything. An infant could believe it was a figure- of-speech. Like the "Us" still meant "Him" as in the next verse Gen 1:27. I have no qualms with all this.
Where in the bible did YHWH refer to the spirit as a separate person?
How is it that Christ and YHWH even though they are separate entity still are one?
Answer with Biblical ref. Bless you.

solite3:
the cearest place in the bible God spoke with all persons on the God head is Genesis 1vv26, Genesis 3 vv 22 , and Genesis 11vv7

Gone to read the ref.... will edit when I'm back

Daniel304:
What will you be singing??

Deep!!!

My view according to the scriptures.
There is only One God..
Only one Christ (son of God)
Only one spirit of God.
They are one.
Do not split God to confuse yourself!!!
Nothing more, nothing less.
God bless you....

For clearer understanding, enlighten us on how 3 distinct persons become/are one.
Also, the bible verses that shows God talking or referring to Jesus. Also where God talked to the holy spirit, (as a person would talk to another person)..
(Let us leave no stone unturned)...
Let love lead, God bless.

Michellekabod2:
Kindly get your facts right please...not all atheists believe that....
What do we expect of Christian's other than delusions?bigotry and ignorance

We don't believe in God, we Know God, we've encountered him, we have interacted with him, we have a relationship with him. Is it a delusion or an illusion? Well, the relationship, encounters and interactions cuts through all axis of REALITY. So, its either what we experience is REAL or there is something wrong with your definition of REALITY. Understand that today.
God bless you,....

solite3:
The trinity is confusing right? That is because human being cannot understand divinity in its its fullest but what is important is that it is taught in the bible.

I thank God it is inconsequential, it would have misled a lot of people....

solite3:
a persona cannot have a seprate identity of its own because it is not a person unlike the Holy Ghost who has an identity of his own.
Jesus describe called the holy Spirit a "He" meaning a separate person with an identity from Jesus and the father.

Using the term persona to describe the Holy Spirit is all wrong , from your definition, a persona is the characteristics of an individual that distinguish him from another, the holy Spirit is not a character of God who dont have an identity but an individual of the Godhead.

Its becoming an argument and no longer an enlightenment so I will stop here.
You can't just say "The spirit" it always calls for "whose spirit?" and we say "Of God". If it is a separate entity, it would stand alone like everything we call person and not be " Of anything "....
YOUR MIND GETS ANGRY, YOUR MIND THINKS, YOUR MIND TALKS TO YOU, YOUR MIND EXCITES, YOUR MIND IMAGINES, YOUR MIND DEVICE EVIL ACTIONS.
This is all true for everyone, is the mind therefore a person? No, I can technically distinguish it from me, but its not a separate entity as it cannot exist outside me.
You might still not comprehend, therefore I will probe further with this question. Answer me with all honesty...
How can Jesus despite being a separate person from The most high God be one with Him?

Maximus69:
I was a Muslim but now i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses to the glory of JEHOVAH!
.. ...

The Trinity doctrine is actually confusing thus the need to create the thread. It is ideal to see things as God is the father, Christ the Son, and the Holy spirit of God and they are all one. Than the confusing trinity doctrine. I from the little I know and have been shown believe either ways, your stand on Trinity is inconsequential as long as you don't promote polytheism .
And as imitators of Christ, it is all best we focus on seeking and loving God with our body, heart, mind and everything there is to us.
Let love lead, God bless.

solite3:
The persona means the qualities of a person right?

And I have shown you that the Holy Spirit is not a quality but a person.
Can a quality Speak and hear? Can a quality have emotion and mind of his own?

Ability to have cognition, speak, hear and have emotions these are what make a person, and these are the very qualities the Holy Spirit display.

What I see as a persona is more than just qualities. Read the message you quoted again. Persona is everything a person is except from a DISTINGUISHED IDENTITY. The bible said "The spirit of God" not "The spirit and God"

Just sign Lewandoski.
He is on par {goal prowess} with Ronaldo.

solite3:
Before answering your question,
Answer mine

Define a persona? Define a person?

I have already.
My definition of persona

The persona is everything a person is (all qualities of a person) except that it cannot have a separate identity of its own. It is owned/possessed by the person and thus it is one/same with the person.

solite3:
You even claim Jehovah witnesses are not wrong!

Did you see where I said it depends on the basis on which you have based your claim... The JWs I have seen stated that "It wasnt the most High God that was crucified, it was Jesus, Son of the most High God". I sensed they meant Jesus and God are two separate person but one.

johnydon22:
Biblically, the holy spirit is implied to be a person or at least a distinct agent.

Besides, wouldn't the spirit of God be God?

I do not think the spirit of a being is distinct from the same being.

You cannot call the holy spirit a person [in the literal sense]....
Because if you do, you have contradicted your last paragraph which is totally true.

solite3:
Isaiah 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

@the bolded... Do you now see what I meant? The lord God and HIS spirit. Simple {possessive pron.} English. The spirit is HIS, they are not separated. If they are, Isaiah would have said "The Lord God and the Spirit" .....
My definition of persona
The persona is everything a person is (all characteristics of a person) except that it cannot have a separate identity of its own. It is owned by the person and thus it is one with the person.
The spirit is for God, it is of Him. The bible everywhere says "The spirit of God" not "The spirit and God". A person is not possessed!!!!

solite3:
The spirit and mind are not the same
Romans 8:27
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Note that the Spirit has mind meaning he is not the mind.

The evidence found in the bible has already nullified those claims that the spirit is a persona not a person besides Why did you ignore evidences where the Spirit speak distinctly from Jesus and the Father and addressed as a separate person by Jesus.
Cleary the Spirit is not a persona but a person stop misleading people by your heresy, stick to the bible and stop head knowledge.

I used mind to represent the spirit in physical realm. And to help you understand what I meant. Not the other way you have postulated. I have never in any way spoken or preached heresy here.
The bible which is never fickle taught me "The spirit of God" not "The spirit and God". That is all there is to it, God bless.
The last thing I would implore you to do for meh and you would see. " How is it possible that the Son and the Father being different persons are one?." Answer this question and everything is settled.

solite3:
there is no where in the bible where it was inferred that the Holy Spirit was a part of God.

You still haven't grasped the concept of persona, the spirit is not something you can separate. The mind cannot be separated from the person [you even confirmed this]. Everywhere in the bible it is written The spirit OF God and not the spirit and God. Don't you get? Mind, body, soul, spirit are never and will never be a separate entity from a person. Even when it is written Spirit if I ask you, whose spirit? You will say Of God . Exactly!!! We do not have "The Jesus of God" because Jesus and GOD are separate persons. Is it clear?

blueAgent:
All through the Bible the spirit is reffered to as the Spirit of God, I think it is better we stick to that.

There is big difference in saying Mr John is a dog and saying Mr John's dog.

I concur, it's better that way rather than brew up confusion with the Trinity doctrine.
[Even though it is written "God is Spirit". (So saying God is the father, God is Holy spirit is 100% biblical and True)But a lot of people will be confused, so I agree with " The spirit of God" it is straightforward]

solite3:
I have a mind but my mind is not a person on its own

1 Corinthians 2:11 For who knows a person's thought except the spirit (mind) of that person which is in him.
Physically, your mind is the spirit of your body(flesh). Just as you've said, the mind is not a person on its own it is one with you. The spirit exhibiting characteristics of a person is why I tell you its a persona. Moreover, the definition of a spirit even restricts it as being classified as a person. All you have is THE SPIRIT OF GOD. And not, THE SPIRIT and GOD. God bless.

Michellekabod2:
Psychosis - an umbrella term that an individual has sensory experiences of things that do not exist and or beliefs with no basis in reality.”
As a race, Humanity has accepted delusional psychosis as normal and the insanity that the current version of the already henpecked hearsay, dogma and fantasy are 100% “fact”, no evidence but still “fact”.
Not bringing Humanity together, only forcing malice, fear, hatred, distrust and the peak of Human ugliness at any and all not walking in the steps each see as right.
“He” loves you completely, but just watches, waiting for the slightest misstep that’ll force him to cast you into your psychosis’s version of eternal damnation.
So many are living in the bad place, hell on Earth, damning their lives, the only one they have, in psychological delusion.

LMAO... Man and foolishness in their thinking. @the bolded, Who do you think you are?

Michellekabod2:
Hello Nairalanders,saw this on atheist republic forum.

Psychosis and Fantasy

https://www.nami.org/earlypsychosis

Psychosis - an umbrella term that an individual has sensory experiences of things that do not exist and or beliefs with no basis in reality.”
Your everything, your god or gods, the basis of your reality, is only due to your parents or community’s engrained psychosis.
Or you, as an “adult”, looked at one of the 2,500+ current religions and said “that’s the one (in 2,500+ other “absolute truths”) that’s the real one!”
Again a situation where your reality is based on what you were told by others.
That psychosis, group psychosis is still psychosis, is the lens that colors all of existence. The basis or reason for thoughts and actions. Psychosis, nothing to base any of it on but the “truth” you were told was “the truth”.
As a race, Humanity has accepted delusional psychosis as normal and the insanity that the current version of the already henpecked hearsay, dogma and fantasy are 100% “fact”, no evidence but still “fact”.
Because of this constant twisted mental conditioning of so many of the global societies have a delusional connection with the make-believe.
All these billions walking their archaic, made-up, forcibly fed religious line. Each believing, as they were taught to, that their god/gods are all there are. Knowing everyone else is not just wrong but doomed, dumb, leading astray and less than.
Not bringing Humanity together, only forcing malice, fear, hatred, distrust and the peak of Human ugliness at any and all not walking in the steps each see as right.
“He” loves you completely, but just watches, waiting for the slightest misstep that’ll force him to cast you into your psychosis’s version of eternal damnation.
So many are living in the bad place, hell on Earth, damning their lives, the only one they have, in psychological delusion.
Please, It’s World Mental Health Awareness Week, find help and lose your psychosis!

You've gotten it all wrong, "True Christians do not just belief in God, We know God". He is real to us, even more than you are real to the world. You might call it an hallucination or illusion, but when the interactions and encounters are effected/cuts through the axis In reality. Either what we know is real or something is wrong with your definition of "reality".
By the way I have a poem (a dirge) for you;
While you draw that fleeting breathe
When your eyes are closed in death
When you soar through tracts unknown
You surely will see him on his Judgement throne.
The belief in eternal sleep will shake
You would give any thing to see another day break
Help you will find there will be none
God you will find there will be one
Not that you can't reach him, but you are gone.

solite3:
this is not even a valid question?
Jesus called yahweh His God it is because he became a man one who was lesser than God.

What about the spirit? I tell you again, the holy spirit is part of God (as a person). It is the spirit of God...

solite3:
read my previous write up.
You define persona and let us see if it fits into the scripture.
You dont make up something in your head and then try to misinterpret the bible to suit it.
Let the bible speak for its self

Do you have a mind?

solite3:
sorry God the father, Son and holy Spirit are not persona but persons.
Neither solite ,anas or you is a trinue being but God is.
Spirit mind or body is not trinity only God is.

Yes, The father and the son are persons. But , the spirit is a persona
Persona (in this context) means: PART/PORTION OF A PERSON...

solite3:
persona means part of a character or a quality of a person. God the father, Son and Holy Spirit are not a character or quality but real persons who possesses emotion, wisdom can communicate with each other but one being

Then, answer the question I asked u. We are almost there.