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Has my thread title angered you? Well, I suppose it should but in due time everything will become crystal clear.
On the keys.......

Modified:
We have come to the end of this thread as it has served it's purpose. God is One. Anything from this is unbiblical. Concerning the trinity or unitary case.. Its just people looking at the same coin from different sides. All we simply have is one God (the Father), One Messiah (the son of God), and the spirit of God and they are One.
Read the first chapter of Hebrews it is made clear there. Let love lead, God bless

I love your quest, hope you find answers. By the way, what church did you attend during your Christian days?

BroAchival:
Greetings to this great house,

As I type this message, my heart is heavy.
Somebody told me that there's nothing God can not do, that he has seen people giving testimonies about change of genotypes. I didn't doubt him, it's just that i'm not the "churchious" type who easily believe all those stories.
Now, my question is:
Is it possible to have just two children without an SS child?
Thanks.

Do you trust me? No!!!
Do you trust Him? Yes!!!
Then marry and conceive for two children only.

PopeFlatino:
Have u noticed that since Messi won dat Best award ,Penaldo fans hardly argue on positive threads about him
I think we Messianz are winning this battle small small oo because it's getting clear to them

Na true o, i noticed also. Since messi's 6th best player award, Jokerman and BeverlyJean had gone missing.

ichuka:
Job38:33“Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth?
Jer33:25
"Thus says the LORD, 'If My covenant for day and night stand not, and the fixed patterns of heaven and earth I have not established.
Romans13:1..Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
OP
Find out which LAW of your community he has broken,and redeem it.
If rightly done .
He will be sane without much prayers .
You can even pray for him and he will receive instant healing .
No be rocket science.

One love bro. You seem to know much about ordinances, can you tell me more with bible ref.

iLegendd:
You'll publish the book. I'll pay for your cover design to be done and guide you. You're the lucky person of the month. So, go create accounts on

1. www.KDP.amazon.com and
2. www.payoneer.com

When you're done, let me know.

Haaaaaa. Next month's luckiness must be mine!!!

shadeyinka:
I hope this is a wild joke from you. If it is, please stop it before it gets out of hand.

Qur'an: Allah has no son
Bible: Jehovah has a son

Qur'an: Jesus wasn't crucified, neither did He die
Bible: Jesus died and rose from the dead

Qur'an: Salvation is by good works and religion
Bible: Salvation by Grace through Faith

Qur'an: Paradise is for sex, wine and revelries
Bible: Paradise is full of worship of Him who was and is and is to come

Hadith: Jesus will come back to break all the crosses(convert all Christians to Islam)
Bible: Jesus is coming back to judge the earth

Qur'an: Mary, mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron
Bible: Mariam is the sister of Aaron

Note:
Mohamed's father's name is Abdallah (meaning, servant of Allah). Is this Allah different from Mohamed's Allah?

If you know just a little Islam, you would have rejected the "unholy revelation" knowing that satan often parades himself as an being of light.



There are far much more than these.
Be like the Berean Christians!

I need to know you beyond NL. Can I have your mail?

MuttleyLaff, I give up. We can only pray to God. That's the only solution.

jesusjnr:
Please don't be provoked bro, because it appears you mean well, so I'd advise you channel that passion towards loving God and serving His interest instead of hating Islam and Mohammed.

Because even Paul who many now love and esteem more than Jesus, probably did and said worse things concerning Jesus than Mohammed ever did, and was the chief persecutors of His followers before he was arrested by Jesus.

And Paul wasn't a Muslim but a Judaist who worshipped the same God as Jesus.

The reason I asked you to share with me those things you were speaking about Mohammed or the Koran, was for me to see if they were things I already knew about them or what I didn't know. But i was right for most of the things you said I already knew them concerning him.

And I knew the beginning when angel Gabriel appeared to him and taught him how to read. And then later on when Satan began trouble him and almost made him to throw himself over a hill and commit suicide, before God intervened and told him it was the devil.

And some of the severe persecutions and deaths they had to endure from their own people, because they were going contrary to the idol worship of their land etc.

So I already knew most of those things, but as I said, where most of us get it wrong is comparing Islam to Christianity instead of Judaism which is the same standard and Abrahamic covenant with it.

Because if you do so then you would have issues because Christianity is an upgrade of both Islam and Judaism, because of the single factor of Jesus.

But if you use Judaism instead, you'd see that there's no much difference, for ever before Islam ever came into existence, Jesus was rejected, persecuted, almost stoned, almost thrown headlong down a hill, blasphemed against, framed up, mocked, and condemned to death by Judaists.

And you also know what happened to His followers, Stephen was stoned to death, Peter and John were beaten and shamed, and there arose serious persecution against the church that they were being committed to prison etc. And it wasn't muslims behind the serious persecution the church suffered but Judaists, yet that didn't make the God of Judaism to be different from the God of Jesus or of the Christians.

So that's my point with Islam, the Koran and Mohammed, because if you compare them with the Jews who are also of the Abrahamic covenant, you'd see that they are very similar, because that is the covenant that God is using as the standard for the first stage of Islam, before He brings them to the knowledge of Jesus just as it was in the instance of Israel.

So that's why He hid the knowledge concerning Jesus from Mohammed, for the time of that revelation in God's plans for Islam had not yet come.

I know it's not going to be easy, but I am trying to follow God, because God has a plan for Muslims just as He has for the Judaists concerning His Son Jesus.

Thanks.

I don't know from what angle which you see things bro, so I would not say anything against you.
But, I read what you said and I re-read times and times again. If Mohammed came before christ, it could have been accepted by some or at least swept under the carpet and ignored. But, Jesus has already done the atonement and remember when christ said "I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, NO ONE comes to my Father except he Comes through me." Do you not know what he meant here?
I know about the similarities of Abrahamic religions and I know Islam takes a model of it. But, as CHRIST happened, even the Jew of then that witnessed him had to EDIT and follow the true PATH. Because, the 10 commandments is no longer enough and likewise other laws.
Before Jesus came, so many prophecies about THE SON OF GOD from the prophets of old, so many references for WHO IS TO COME. So how is it that after he came, died and was risen, another pseudo prophet came to tarnish all he had accomplished and brought his own version.
You defended them saying "Jesus Is the son of God " wasn't revealed to Mohammed. If you were right, he wouldn't have tarnished Christ accomplishment, he wouldn't have spoken blasphemy, he could have Just left the whole JESUS FACTOR out of the picture.
ISLAM IS NOT OF GOD.
If you still don't see the light, I will leave you to your belief. But, I am sure God didn't and wouldn't approve Islam as a religion or else, Christ isn't who he says he is {God forbid this}.

MuttleyLaff:
Blabbermouth, can you now see how jesusjnr is looking for leprosy, earnestly looking God's trouble, hmm? .

Do you notice how he took on the serpent's sly, cunning and deceitful nature by answering evasively, majority of your questions to him. He even further is making excuses, all in attempts to have Mohammed validated and legitimized, but nobody, because of bread, calls a dog or monkey bros now.

Now, I see. I see through it all.
I will keep watch and see if he digs up something against me, but it's certain he would find none.

MuttleyLaff:
Let me tell you whats going on in here. jesusjnr is a komfam loose cannon, and tbh with you, there is nothing to love in any jesusjnr guy with a dark heart and ugly soul.

From one unrepentant poor tormented false self-proclaimed fake sorry arse prophet validating another. Smh

He seems to be convinced that he is recognized by God, but all that keeps ringing in my ears when I see his write ups are Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 14:36-38.
How come then? Is it possible the kind of revelations he receives are from a kind of dark spirit that disguises as an angel of light?

jesusjnr:
Mohammed is a true prophet of God, so obviously Mohammed's Allah.

Yet, He said Jesus Christ is not the son of God.
He claimed Jesus did not die for my sin and yours.
He said Jesus is no one but God's prophet and he even placed himself in an higher heirachy.
When he was visited, he felt it was the devil, intact he believed it was shaytan that came to minister unto him. Do you know?
He was convinced (rather confused) by some men that it wasn't the devil but rather an angel of allah, Do you know?
He took in a 9 year old Aisha, do you know what age the girl was when he knew her?
Do you know of what death Mohammed died?
Do you know he said the earth was flat and the sun sets in a spring of water?
Do you know he couldn't muster a single miracle in the Qur'an?
Do you know Muhammad said we would have eternal penile erections in heaven with women to satisfy us?
Do you know his father's name and what religion his father practiced before his birth?
Do you know his father's name meant "Servant of Allah" and his father was an idol worshipper (his father's god was Allah)?
Do you know what Muhammad used jinns for as per the hadith compiled by his caliphs?
I am provoked right now, and in bitterness do I type this; Muhammad is not of God.

gobuchinny:
......

See, inasmuch as I love this Jesusjnr guy, he doesn't relax and listen. I studied the Quran and the amount of blasphemy it contains is unimaginable. The islamic religion is the best crafted Antichrist movement I have seen disguised in light.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

I can't ask God questions?

But Paul can, and you're quoting his sayings to prove a point to me?

And you think I'm the one lost and confused here? SMH

No wonder it was said:

Luke 10:21 (KJV)

21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

You think it's by studying the letters to show yourself approved eh?

The Pharisees who were blind to the Truth and persecuted Jesus also shared that thought, but it took those who God revealed the Truth to for any man to accept the Truth that Jesus was.

Matthew 16:17 (KJV)

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

You should already see what distinguishes us, for there are somethings that one cannot receive unless it is given them from heaven.

So I fully understand where you are coming from, because your orientation is very much similar to those who God hid those things from as the Pharisees who studied to show themselves approved, but I am as those who don't study to show myself approved, so I'm not surprised why such things are also hidden from you but revealed to me.

And remember Paul who said that also persecuted those of Jesus for ignorance of the Truth despite his studying to show himself approved before Jesus arrested him and revealed the Truth to him.

No wonder the church is dead, when people like you who study to show themselves approved have replaced those who God reveals His Truth to.

So bro continue to depend on books and not Truth, but I would continue to depend on the Spirit of God to reveal the Truth to me.

And I'm very glad that He's revealed the Truth to me concerning who Allah is, and not the lie that whatever the books have revealed to you.

Allah is the Almighty God!

Which of the Allah? The one you personalised or Muhammad's Allah?
Ref: 1John 2:21-23

jesusjnr:
That you were an ex-muslim don't mean that you are right. Or have you not heard ex-christians deny the existence of God?

The truth is that you seem have misinterpreted the perversions of the faith to mean that Allah is not God but the name of an Arabian idol. Just like saying that Mary the mother of Jesus is no longer authentic, because people worship the idol called "Holy Mary".

I am damn sure about this that Allah is Jehovah the God of Abraham and the Jews, and that He was the one that revealed Himself to Mohammed to perform the promise He made to Abraham concerning making His son Ishmael a great nation, to bring them back to the God of their forefathers, just as He did with Moses in the instance of Israel.

As for my tongues, you can choose to believe it or not, but that is in consonance with what God revealed to me concerning Mohammed and the Islam when I sincerely asked Him questions concerning that.

God bless.

I respect you and I mean no offences but you still don't get me. There is no qualms in using the word "Allah" with the intent of referring to "Yahweh". But, when you begin to relate/equate Muhammad's Allah to the God in the bible, when you begin to affirm that " Muhammad is a prophet of God" then there is something really wrong.
Have you ever perused the Qur'an? Do you know the kind of blasphemy it contains? Do you know what kind of life Muhammad lived? Jesusjnr, haven't you heard or you haven't read? That he that does not acknowledge that Jesus is Christ, that person is Antichrist.
As believers, we cannot argue but in love we would enlighten each other.
I can show you the hadith, the verses of the Qur'an, scriptures of the bible that affirms that all that I say is true.
Let love lead, God bless.

jesusjnr:
God revealed most things about Jesus to Mohammed but left out a key detail that He was the Son of God because the Islamic faith was meant to be at Abrahamic level at the first stage.

If Jews had knowledge of what God revealed to to Mohammed concerning Jesus, such as that He was born of a virgin they would have believed He was the promised Messiah and the Son Of God, because it was prophesied in their scriptures.

But they didn't because they didn't have the knowledge, while Mohammed who had the knowledge but didn't have the prophecy.

Noooooooooooo.
In as much as I respect everything you've said, this is wrong.
Muhammad is not of God.
In one of your threads, you said you were speaking in tongues and the word "Allah" kept repeating itself, and some other stuffs like that. I would tell you today, The synonymous Arabic word for God is Al-illah, which means (The One). Don't be deceived, Allah is the name of an Arabia idol.
PS: An ex-muslim.

Abdulgaffar22:
Honestly you're an atheist by ignorance. You didn't know anything about genetics.

You should draw the curtains, I warned you about his ignorance but it seemed as though I wanted to derail everything. By the way, I really would want us to talk {outside NL}.

XxSabrinaxX:
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SMHLOL. Is you arse bleeding yet from riding shadeyinka's rod ever so ferociously ? Pray, clown, what have you contributed to this thread thus far other than fellate a fellow man making inane assertions on an internet forum when he could be winning a Nobel Prize? At the end of the day, the bitter truth is you are the one getting twisted in and out by utter chicken scratch/trash; arguments that actually hold no weight to actual rational persons.


Au contraire, my good man! First, i admit "Who created god" is a dumb question.
According to the evidence of scientific laws, masses and masses of evidence, these descriptions of reality always apply, and one of the most fundamental of them says that mass/energy cannot be created. Accordingly, proposals from cosmologists, whose field of scientific study covers this question, do not propose that the universe was ever created. The proposal of the initial singularity says that a massive gravitational singularity already existed at the time of the Big Bang. This is often coupled with the proposal that the mass and space-time of the universe has always existed (for all time), it had no beginning. This proposal is perfectly consistent with all of the available indirect evidence. It would mean that "all time" is not eternity, it is only the 13.8 billion years since the Big Bang. So, in summary, the proposal is that the universe was initially a massive gravitational singularity 13.8 billion years ago, but then it expanded.

The "Who created God" question is the only part i'm concerned with. I see you've admitted so, its sorted out.
To the other bullshit,
It isnt my concern for now, I am not the one proving God to you, all you want is to drag me into the mud and play dirty with you. Sorry milady, I don't have time for that now.
Lemme fire a shot,
Before the 13.8 billion years (whatsoever), was the gravitational singleton still present?
PS: "I don't know" is allowed.

Abdulgaffar22:
Honestly, I didn't get your question. Pls reframe it

Recall, why God, why not gods?
You said: if there are Gods, there will be CONFLICT OF WILLS
My question: How do you prove that "There are no conflict of wills?".

LordReed:
Go ahead and present them.

On another thread, a new one. I will mention you {it is wiser to catch your preys in one attack}
Ps: Every single attribute of X will/must be backed up with facts and evidence.

LordReed:
Are you asking how unknown qualities are tested?

No, conviction from facts and evidences.

LordReed:
Gravity and inertia are words we use to describe a set of physical phenomena not the phenomena themselves so you cannot plug and unplug them, they just are. You may device tests to see which phenomena is at work in a given circumstance but it does not mean you are unplugging or plugging them in.

If there is a something responsible for it all then further testing should reveal what it is and then we can describe it. How do you propose we test then?

How do we test for X?
When you are ready, I won't approach like a theist, and you shouldn't approach like an atheist, we would see things without sentiments. When you are ready, let me know. All the best.

Abdulgaffar22:
Honestly, I don't like the way you handle things. You're just mocking. Do you really have interest in his salvation ?

I'm sorry. Henceforth, I will watch from the stands and say nothing. How about my question, is there an answer.

LordReed:
Are you drunk or intoxicated in some manner? Or are you on hallucinogenics? Substance abuse is bad for your health.

I'm sorry if I struck a nerve, you have taken it personal. I will leave you henceforth, and I pray you find an answer, when you do, never because of anyone or anybody shy from it.
Adios....

Blabbermouth:
I asked our dear Alhaji LordReed the same question. I guess this is the point where he flees and use some Mumbo-Jumbo as his excuse.

You see Alhaji LordReed, I predicted correctly.

LordReed:
1. How do you know that the universe is a closed system?

2. How can you infer that because it is a closed system it cannot have arisen from an infinite loop of causation (infinite regress)?

3. How can you know that there was only a single source of this energy that was supplied to a closed system?

4. How can you know that the source of this energy is an intelligent being?

Only the deluded will claim knowledge of something they can't possibly have knowledge of.

See questions!!!
Oga, you are not informed. Your philosophy is outdated.

XxSabrinaxX:
So what?

Even if what you postulate is correct, that does not prove a god. The proper conclusion is a result concerning Physics. But once you have established that (I can, but I am not going to waste my time checking if it is possible) you still have to plug in your god, and that act of inserting a god must be accompanied with substance and proof.

Claiming all sorts of things about entropy is one thing, arriving at a god conclusion is another!


How thick are you? Really?

"You can NOT know what is outside the house". "You can NOT compare that which is inside with that which is outside". "All Physics breaks down at Planck Time".

Learn to f*cking read.


The only thing you've succeeded in accomplishing here is differentiate theism from atheism - something I already knew!

All I'm asking from you clowns is that objective hard empirical evidence be demonstrated for YOUR claimed deity, without false analogies, word salads, confirmation bias and appeals to ignorance, before we can consider said deity as an option for the source of the universe. Natural processes have yet to be ruled out. All you theists do is look at the universe first and then attempt to define your god to suit the universe's features. This is dishonest! Demonstrate YOUR deity first.

Notice how in all my arguments, I have never once asserted that a source is impossible. All I've stated is that we can NOT know if there's a source, and even if we do, we can NOT know the nature of the source. Am I asking for too much, hmm?


Smartest thing you have said in this thread after two posts of complete bull$hit! Atheists do not assert that which they can NOT know. Yes, we are blind to your god and blind to your inane and unsubstantiated assertions. When you come up with some REAL evidence for the origin of the universe as relating to your god, everyone will be able to see it, not just you. When you begin demonstrating your god with facts and evidence, not the God of the Gaps bull$hit, we will all be able to see it. Until then, you're just a puddle struggling in the ground and amazed at how the shape of the ground was made exactly for him. Pathetic really, if I do say so myself. Still, I believe if you are beginning to recognize blindness in atheists, perhaps you can begin to see it in yourself and stop making stupid assertions based on sh*t you know nothing about.

Blubber-brain blabbermouth said,

Don't be a cowardly strawman. Insert the words, without facts and evidence and you are spot on target.

Are you getting smarter? You almost understand. You should hang around these parts for some time. You might catch on

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It's about time people stopped going to the wrong shops to sell their snake oil.

Once more a couple of theists come in here and make crazy assertions about their god using physics. Assertions, that if taken to the land of academia and physics, and empirically verified to be true, would result in a Nobel Prize!

I do not see a Nobel. Neither do I see any sign of links to peer reviewed research evidencing any deity. Nothing on any news network puzzlingly. Even stranger, the Vatican seems to have missed all this news. No massed throngs in St Peter's being addressed by a jubilant pontiff.

NO! Just a bunch of Billy No-Names making unfalsifiable, unevidenced claims and pulling out false analogies from their arse like scraps of spaghetti. If only we could piece all this together really. LOL. Woo woo overload indeed!

Therefore, the assertions are nonsense.

Who do you seek to impress with this long write up of 99% bullshit and 1% inquiry.
The topic was "Who created God" and I demonstrated to you how the question is invalid to a theist, its the atheist headache.
Thank God you understood that portion.
Now, to the "Prove your God with facts and evidence".
What type of evidence would convince you, what type of fact? As far as I know, Yinka has been twisting you in and out with the same science you trust. The same physics you thought its gat your back. Hahahahahahaha, don't take it personal, you cant stand the heat.
Go to your coven, exactly what shadeyinka postulated and backed up with science was laid down there. Read from page 196 of your homely " Non-christain thread". It's the main reason why the place is now like a graveyard, quiet for they had been silenced.
Go and fortify yourself. On another thread, Alhaji LordReed is taking measurable steps,.digressing and cowardly

LordReed:
The universe is not something you can disconnect from so your imagination is irrelevant.

Either ways, you've gotten the message.

LordReed:
It is still irrelevant because it has no bearing on reality.

Exactly, you run. What caused the universe is irrelevant? What caused the whole space-time-energy- mass has no bearing on reality? You are blind, and I don't expect you to see.

LordReed:
The universe is not something you can disconnect from so your imagination is irrelevant.

I now understand why you never understood the holy bible.
The "disconnect" is not to "be removed", I meant we should view it as an equation or expression with plausible constraints.

LordReed:
You must dream a lot, even when typing on NL you have such vivid dreams.

Dream? No, I just refuse to be blind.

LordReed:
We don't know how the first living things came to be. There are some hypothesis but no one is certain. What is certain is that life is/was shaped by the physical laws and the environment.

Not "we don't know" its "I don't know" for you.
Well lemme break the ice, I know and if ye have eyes, I will help you see.
Check this out, 5x+3=13 find X.
Very simple X=2 , why? Well for the expression to be equal to 13, the only value that can give that result is 2. One important thing is that, x=2 is unique, no other value when tested for X will ever yield 13.
Thus, in the same way we could disconnect from the universe and see things in a 360° angle, this way we could reason what our X is for the universe to be what it is. We could even further test if our result for X is unique. Because of the complexity, there is a limit to what we can uncover about X, but we would/might find enough.
Let's run this together, journey with me, who knows,who knows what our X could be, our X could be the universe itself, our X could be NOTHING, our X could be ANYTHING.