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muslim100:
I didn't care to answer because it is not just a yes or no.

In Arabic there are two types of nouns -
1. Rigid - words without root
2. Derived - words with root

Derived words are words that have their origin from other another words - especially verbs, some have undebatable origins while there is difference of opinion anong Arabic Linguists regarding many Arabic words.
There are majorly two schools of thought regarding Arabic grammar - Basrah and Khufa (these are names ancient cities).

Islam
Even among scholars there is no consensus on the root of Islam - becauae the root of PEACE & SUBMISSION are both - س، ل، م. Though the majority - what I incline to is that Islam is derived from the roots of submission.

You might say - Scholars did this (Islam is derived from peace) to make Islam look good, yet you are blatantly wrong, and here is the reason.

Even the most used words in Arabic have different roots, and YES - a word can have two roots.

Example of words with different opinions regarding their origin
1. Allah - Used by all Arabs to refer to God regardless of their religion.
Some scholars say it is rigid some say it os derived from - ء، ل، ه.

2. Name/Noun - pronounced ISMUN: There is also a difference of opinion while some say it is derived from sumuww, some say it is wasmu

Many every day words have these difference of opinion among scholars.

If a Muslim says Islam is derived from both PEACE and SUBMISSION is he wrong? No!

You can take this anywhere, ask any AI model to expand for you.

Some answers are beyond YES or NO.

So Islam means submission to the will of Allah with obedience, going far away from Idolatory, and obeying the prophet as he was sent by Allah.

Islam means submission subjugation servitude of slave and master relationship to Allah and Muhammed decisions.


Very simple and apt

muslim100:

Which jesus is divine? Not the one in the bible apparently.
Jesus wey cry for cross "God, God, do not forsake me!"
Abi the one wey say "God, make this cup pass me" - I don't want to die!

Divine ke!

Which Bible is correct?
The one with seventy something books abi the one with eighty something?

Who was jesus praying to? Definitely not himself!

These are questions christians have no answers for snd would never have answers to.

The Bible is surely not the word of God - though there are remnants of the words in it.
40+ authors of the bible, 100s of contradictions.

Christianity is also definitely not what Jesus taught.

Christianity is a false religion by Paul the Apostle......I REST MY CASE

please are this your wildest reasons or you want to add more....before i can answer this simple questions...please add more before i start replying


and i pray Ruh al - Qudus to reveal Yasua Al massih to you.

FaAbData:
Christianity didn't copy the Torah, it incorporated it to a New testament. Copying is different from adopting. Torah is old testament. Nobody is arguing that

Copying is more of plugarism while adopting involves metamorphosis from old to New. It's semetics that's confusing you.

They don't need any authority to adopt, it was their formal religion

nice reply

though more answers are there

i told him to open a topic on this invite me i will explain


he could be a muslim talking since they are allowed to lie and we have been decimating islamic lies he decided to switch and divert attention to christianity

aribisala0:
They are both lies

Complete rubbish

dont mix sweet and poo together

open a topic on this call me i will explain ( thta is if you are not a muslim)


bottomline islam is a big fat lie

muslim100:
You probably didn't care reading!

Islam is submitting to Allah through obedience, and desisting from idolatory/associating partners to him in worship.

As-salam - The source of peace is one of the names of Allah, so YES islam is a religion of peace

Prophet Muhammad is a messenger of Allah, has no share in divinity, he is human - but a prophet and messenger of Allah. His sayings and actions are guided by Allah.

Just like how Jesus is a messenger of Allah, has no share in divinity, he is human. His sayings and actions are guided by Allah. Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16, John 4:19, Luke 4:24, Mark 6:15, Luke 24:19, John 7:40, Matthew 26:39, Matthew 26:42, Qur'an 5:75, Qur'an 4:171, Qur'an 61:6 etc.

Islam meaans submission subjugation servitude of slave and master relationship to Allah and Muhammed decisions .



Jesus is Divine in every angle and presentation, the bible verse you quoted are good but can we read the whole chapter to see his divinity, shall we?


Everything about the Quran is wrong , all claims have been found out to he lies and layers of lies

Shidda:
There is, the Arabic language is very rich, and when translated, it loses a lot of that meaning, and I mean a lot.
For example, kufr is usually translated as disbelief, but it has a closer mean ungrateful than to disbelief. The English word disbelief is like refusing to believe in something, but that meaning is inaccurate, because how can the devil not believe in Allah when he has spoken and prayed to Him, but he is not a believer. When you apply the meaning ungrateful, then it makes more sense, if you know his story.

Note that this is just one word, when you here words like din, Iman, Ihsan, Taqwa, sālih, etc, and you translate them to religion, faith, goodness, piety, righteousness, you have lost so much of the meaning, it's shocking.
These are terms that are deeply connected with human existence, things we can't separate from.
There is just so much lost when Arabic is translated, you can compare it to a food that's processed and loses most of its nutrients

Good response but it opens up more problem


It is staated in the Quran that it is a guidance to all mankind ..? YES.
IF you want to know Allah the book will speak to you expressly.

But if what you started above Is true( like I have been saaying) that you will need to learn Arabic to know Quran and even after araabic you learn deep classical araabic and still you won't understand it

Why will Allah choose a language no one understands is that not confussion?

Is that not contradicting the statement that this is for mankind?

Yet it is a clustered battered unexplainable language.

Today we found out that the lies that Quran is 1 is a lie...as we have 10 different Qurans .


Anyway let me hear your response before I continue

So if you bring the Nigeria percentage into Naija which region take the most?

Which country ambassador will Tinubu he called drug baron post him






I am seeing wonders

You say wetin ?



Kolomental

Allah has 99 names

Muhammad has 99 names



Some of the names are

The exalted one

The praised one

The High one

The intercessor

The nazarite

for sometimes now the people have gone out to different cow location to telll them that islaamic prophet muhamed had died to see the cow's reaction

the reaction according to muslim sxhoolars and preaachers and supporters is that the cow will attack you.


but since it was all lies and hoax, the people mentioned above came out again to say no the language that was used is not cow language that is yoruba igbo igala and so on are not cow language.


Are you people seeing the confusion ?


Years of lies and more lies will be exposed by one day the truth appear


Update coming soon

Shariah that destroyed your country
Political views that damaged your country


You left that your country to aa better place

Now you want to force your Shariah and Political views on the better place



Nah
Someone got to go

and shariah law is from which book?


A storm is coming

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muslim100:
I didn't care to answer because it is not just a yes or no.

In Arabic there are two types of nouns -
1. Rigid - words without root
2. Derived - words with root

Derived words are words that have their origin from other another words - especially verbs, some have undebatable origins while there is difference of opinion anong Arabic Linguists regarding many Arabic words.
There are majorly two schools of thought regarding Arabic grammar - Basrah and Khufa (these are names ancient cities).

Islam
Even among scholars there is no consensus on the root of Islam - becauae the root of PEACE & SUBMISSION are both - س، ل، م. Though the majority - what I incline to is that Islam is derived from the roots of submission.

You might say - Scholars did this (Islam is derived from peace) to make Islam look good, yet you are blatantly wrong, and here is the reason.

Even the most used words in Arabic have different roots, and YES - a word can have two roots.

Example of words with different opinions regarding their origin
1. Allah - Used by all Arabs to refer to God regardless of their religion.
Some scholars say it is rigid some say it os derived from - ء، ل، ه.

2. Name/Noun - pronounced ISMUN: There is also a difference of opinion while some say it is derived from sumuww, some say it is wasmu

Many every day words have these difference of opinion among scholars.

If a Muslim says Islam is derived from both PEACE and SUBMISSION is he wrong? No!

You can take this anywhere, ask any AI model to expand for you.

Some answers are beyond YES or NO.

So Islam means submission to the will of Allah with obedience, going far away from Idolatory, and obeying the prophet as he was sent by Allah.

So after all this talk ...the summary is...

Islam means submission to Allah and Muhammed decisions and doings.


Can we move on to the next discussion?

muslim100:
The bible teaches you to kill apostates but you don't. You disobey Biblical teachings.

But wait!

If Jesus/God (same) once commanded stoning to death, burning to death because of apostasy, and later condemned it (hypothetically) - even though he didn't.

Does this mean that he was wrong with the laws at first? Can God go wrong?

Does this mean that he commanded unprecedented violence then came back to repent by sacrificing himself?

Like, make me understand Abeg.

Please don't jump from one topic to another


Let's settle this first Islam idosent means peace it means submission to Allah and Muhammed decisions.


Let's settle this first before another one
Ok can you do that

Islam is a dangerous religion


I read the Quraan and dues
Hadith it made me understand why the killing

FaAbData:
Did you read the passage I shared at all?

It's during and after Muhammad that all these you posted became mandatory.

I'll wait for you to prove that all the Islamic prophets weren't Muslims because they didn't practice all those

Why are you contradicting yourself?

So they didn't do all o stated yet they are Muslims
But all that made someone Muslim became mandatory after muhamed, you dey whine me ni?



Years of making claims are over, where is the evidence?


The God of Abraham is not Allah. The God of Moses is not Allah but Yahweh , the God of the isrealite is a Father and Aallaah is not a father.


So I ask again this time think we'll

Evidence that they were Muslim

And please don't include Yaasua Al massih because that will further create problems for your argument.

solat that means praayer is mow bkessings( baaraakat)


i thought the bible is corrupted , dont use it

lets use the Arabu level thst is uncorrupted


O Allah send your Solat on muhamed


i like this

FaAbData:
When Muslims call Adam, Moses (Musa) they add 'peace be upon him' that phrase is reserved for prophets alone. Adam wasn't just a Muslim, he was a prophet

See is Qur’an 42:13:
“He has ordained for you the same religion which He enjoined upon Noah, and that which We revealed to Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: that you should uphold the religion and not be divided in it.”

All these listed names excited before.

So Adam prayed 5 times
So he went to mecca
So he killed a ram
He went to hajj
He said the shahada ..that muhamed is a prophet
He did abolution
He married 4 wives
He prayed facing mecca
He kissed aa black stone
He stone the devil
He went round cube kaaba 7 times with almost no cloth
??


So Abraham did all this above

Moses did same above , moses that warned that no one should bow towards a black stone...you are funny.

Haaibibi careful I am not your normal unAarabic unQuran person

NOETHNICITY:
Okay! I’m absolutely not angry.


Many Arabs trace their lineage back to Abraham, and many believed that they were worshipping the same God that Abraham worshipped. The Prophet’s own lineage is clearly traced to Ishmael(I can give you the names of his father’s father until Abraham himself) the first son of Abraham, and there is no record indicating that the Prophet’s father practiced idol worship. For the Arabs, the God of Abraham was known by the distinguished name Allah, a name still used by Arab Christians to refer to the Creator of the heavens and the earth. The Arabs also clearly distinguished between Allah and their other deities, each of which had its own name among the 360 idols of the pre-Islamic era—such as Hubal, Manāt, al-‘Uzzā, and others. None of these idols was ever called Allah. In Arabic, a lesser deity or “small god” is referred to as إِلٰه (ilāh), which is different from the proper name Allah.

Now this is nice conversation

To address your point firstly Ishmael is not the fore father of Muhammad linguistically historically and genetically.

Ask Chaptgpt Abraham and Ishmael never journey to Arabia historically archaeological , it was Islamic scholars who made it so , so that Islam can have a sense of belonging to judeo christain faith.

Muhamed father was an idol worshipper and he died an idol worshipper just like his brother mutalab , and muhamed father's name was Abdullah ( slave of Allah). This are facts not sentiments or emotional cupcake.

On the name Allah ... the name was already in use nothing special that was why the meccans were not suprised , one of the reasons they rejected Muhammad though he insulted and destroyed there homes.

The words Ilah in arabic means god, but if you but the definite article Al ( which is THE) before ilah, it will mean The god


The God of Abraham is known as FATHER, but according to the Quraan Allah has no children and it is the worst of sins shirk.. now that is a complete opposite.


All other gods in Mecca are called ilah ( god) be it manat uzza and the rest , muhamed said his own is Al lah.

muslim100:
So you say, but everything you see wrong in Islam there is worse in the Bible.

Regarding killing apostates there are many verses in the Bible saying kill spostates, but Christians don't believe in the Bible - we really thank Allah for that, if not the whole world would have been nuked.

Just one example below, if you want more just indicate. Leviticus 24:16

80%+ of recorded killings and wars in history were done by christians - this is the resl teaching of Bible.

can you calm down why the anger ?

so i made a claim that islam dosent mean peace it means submission to Aallah and muhamed....which is true.


concerning killing apostate how many people have you seen christains kill.... do you even ask yiurself why?

you should haave asked

see zakir naaik script wont work again incase that is whaat is fuelling you.

let me stop here to hear your response

FaAbData:
I'm not a Muslim but it seems you're a bit ignorant.

Muhammad didn't bring Islam, Islam predated him, according to them Adam, the first man was a Muslim. Muhammad only brought the final revelation- Quaran. And he's the major prophet

There were Muslims before Muhammad, oga!

Proof from the Quran that Adam was a Muslim

That he prayed 5 times or did anything from Islamic shariah.


Please don't make claims I mean big claims without evidence to back it up.

Gone are the days Muslim make claims without evidence

NOETHNICITY:
I read his comment, and it’s a simple matter long trashed by average(doesn’t require top scholars) scholars. If you understand the history of the Arabs and their language you would understand this. There is no point explaining to you guys as your minds are already programmed to hate Islam.

My brother no need getting angry

It was a simple question
Which you still ended up not replying.
You said it has been answered, what was the answer since anyone can answer it?


What is Muhammad father's name?

Is Allah a known god before Muhammad?
Or He was a new God not heard of ?
We're the meccans idol worshippers?

Was Muhammed father an idol worshipper?


Can you simplify this in your answer, one might learn and be corrected

NOETHNICITY:
So your entire premise of disproving Islam is on grounds of the name of his father. Beautiful logic

You didn't read his comment


Muhammad father was an idol worshipper
And his name is Abdullah.

Muhammad his son came and said his God name is Allah...


What does thar tells you...think Abdul

That means the news is true

olabrad:
Salat in Arabic means prayer or praise in English. there is no other meaning.

Writing long post will not change the fact that allah prays for muhamed or praised muhamed.

The first instances shows that there is someone greater than allah. The second instance shows that muhamed is greater than allah.

Lying and twisting facts can't save Islam. The world is wiser now.

Don't blame the munafiki he is doing dawah of altaqiyya.

Salat means prayer, but if you say is blessings that will ve wrong as blessings means barakat.


So o Allah send your salat on Muhammad

Either it meaans 4 things
1. Allah is praying to another Allah for Muhammad
2.Allah is praying to Muhammad
3.the men who wrote it down made a mistake or are confused.
4. That muhamed is the man behind Allah, why? This are some of the 99 names. The High one, the praised one, the intercessor, the nazaarite


The truth is inevitable

Islam dosent mean PEACE


Islam means submission to Allah and Muhammed


You can enter the religion but leaving it means death


You must hate the people of the book ( Christians and jews)

Are the cows still angry?