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Kukutente23:
Ok.... so birthday celebrations which you deem pagan was created by the gods? Which date did Zeus choose for himself according to your scholarly findings?

Sports have pagan origins that's the point. So if you claim birthdays have pagan origins( a lie by the way) and shouldn't be celebrated, sports is much worse because it's used to celebrate the Greek god Olympus.

So will you allow your children to still participate in inter-house sports or will you stop watching football? Or will you rather swallow your hypocrisy and rail against birthdays while enjoying sports?

My brother the guy you are quoting is almost senile.

See how he is changing goal post

From it is not allowed in Quran to it has pagan origin to the intention


Only one person with so many mouth on one topic ...altaqiyya.
Some Muslims eeeeh

AntiChristian:
Explain how that became shirk?

Show us what Allah said and where he said it?

Show us what i said?

You forgot what you said
and you want me to remind you
after I have replied you?

Hal akalta?

AntiChristian:
When Christians quote John 3:16, do they remember to read it from the beginning verse 1? This is what is common in Christianity as Memory verse! A pastor can just come up with one verse at the middle and interprete it to his audience as he likes!

I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 5:30

The context is that Jesus was clearly explaining he was a messenger sent by God and that he does nothing of his own will! Jesus is simply dependent on God!

Jesus was trying to give his authority and defend his actions!

A divine person needs no reliance on another superior!

Can we read John 3:16 from verse one

I love this.

*John 3:12-21 (KJV)*

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And *no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man* which is in heaven.

14 *And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:*

15 *That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.*

16 *For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.*

17 For *God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.*

18 *He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.*

19 *And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.*

20 *For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.*

21 *But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.*



This is beautiful simple precise
Tekbil
Yaasua Akbar

It beings tears to my eyes

This is why He is called Yasua Al massih

AntiChristian:
When Christians quote John 3:16, do they remember to read it from the beginning verse 1? This is what is common in Christianity as Memory verse! A pastor can just come up with one verse at the middle and interprete it to his audience as he likes!

I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 5:30

The context is that Jesus was clearly explaining he was a messenger sent by God and that he does nothing of his own will! Jesus is simply dependent on God!

Jesus was trying to give his authority and defend his actions!

A divine person needs no reliance on another superior!

I have told you the era of quoting one verse of the bible and shouting tekbil is over

In John 5 from verse 1 to the end
It was an incident shows Jesus divinity and one with the father.

Jesus healed a man on the sabbath day.. the Jews knowing the law that one should rest on the sabbath day question Jesus on whose authority... He showed them that only God can do what he will when he will ...so is he... John 5:17

He is the Lord of the sabbath

Read this very beautiful John 5 vs 20 to 22

Wow

Wow
Wow

As the faather gives life...the son gives life to whom he will... hallelujah


Falls down on my knees and worship the king of Kings...the judge of the dead( Muhammed and others) and living ( you and i)


Alhamudul yasua Al massih

AntiChristian:
This is false. Abu Bakr did standardise the Qur'an as the first Caliph! Uthman only published and promoted the Qur'an already commisioned by Abu Bakr.

He was a companion of the Prophet so he has the authority to correct what he feels was wrong! Moreso, there are many companions around to help him! None of the disciples of Jesus was available in the compilation of the Bible! We just dey hear of "Church fathers"! And Church fathers could not burn the scriptures since Jesus didn't write/promote the Bible! Na to call some scriptures "Apocrypha" or other names!

Thank you! It is not as worse as the Catholic Doauy Bible having 73 Books, the Protestant Bible having 66 Books while the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has 81 Books! And we should not talk about all the several Bible translations that exists with verses/chapters missing!

And all the group you mentioned have the old testament and the Gospel written by mark Mathew John luke REVELATION SAINT PAUL LETTERS ...


Now let's talk about the Quran that have 10 Qiraats that is 10 different Qurans with harfs and warsh the most popular

So According to you Abubakr have compiled the Quran and uthman standardised it... haabibi is this not the same bases you lots accused the Christains that the bible is not God's word....hahaha

How are you sure the ones uthman burn is not the original Quran ?

Think think

AntiChristian:
The word "Bible" was created when?
The compilation of the Bible to include letters of Paul was done when?
Are you saying the Injeel revealed to Jesus also includes letters of Paul?

You still never answer anything!

How old are you habibi?

AntiChristian:
Jesus and Mahdi will kill the false Messiah!

Since he claimed his own Mahdi is around very soon his own Jesus will arrive!

You can join him in the delusion!

Now is delusion

This was how the Jews and christians saw Muhammad when he said he was prophesied in the Bible


What a joker

AntiChristian:
Muhammad didn't trouble the meccans but only preaching and he and his followers were persecuted!
I have no such hatred towards anyone! What i hate is your lies and falsehood! Jaafer ibn Abi Talib, Muhammad's cousin never converted to Christianity in Abyssinia!

Here are some key points about Jaafer's time in Abyssinia:
1. Spokesman for Muslims: Jaafer was the spokesman for the group of early Muslims who sought refuge in Abyssinia to escape persecution in Mecca. He eloquently defended their faith before the Christian king, the Negus.

2. Engagement with Christianity: While in Abyssinia, Jaafer and his companions interacted with Christian teachings and the local community. However, rather than converting, Jaafer emphasized the similarities between Islam and Christianity, particularly in their shared belief in one God and the importance of Jesus as a prophet.

3. Return to Islam: After their time in Abyssinia, Jaafer returned to the Muslim community and continued to support Muhammad and the spread of Islam. He is remembered as a devoted companion of the Prophet.

Abeg stop the lies!

Why are you such a liar....why ....altaqiyya dosent work on me


Muhammed first cousin who converted to christainity in Ethiopia was ..

Ubayd Allah ibn jahsh.

And when he died his wife returned to mecca and Muhammad married her

Her name was Ramla bint Abi sufyan


Now for the last time never argue with me or call me liar...do you understand?

Now say yes sir

AntiChristian:
What is Shirk? Association of partners...so how is this even related at all.

It seems i'm in a misplaced convo!

Allah says one thing , you says it is another thing


Is that not you trying to be partner with God?

AntiChristian:
Repeating lies won't make it the truth!

The word "Bible" was created when?
The compilation of the Bible to include letters of Paul was done when?
Are you saying the Injeel revealed to Jesus also includes letters of Paul?

This is a big fat ignora...

Now I know you don't even know anything about Islam or Christianity

Pele

The way you guys hate Paul one will think he was the one that told Zayynab to put poison in Muhammad meat...ogaaa o

So you don't know the meaning of bible or where it is gotten .... try and know it will cure some of your delusional and misconceptions... tufiakwaaaa

So all this while you are ignorant of what was been said, no wonder you never provide answers to questions and you always run away when altaqiyya can't work.... allahkiaye

AntiChristian:
Where's the pain? Don't try and transfer your pains here cos i am not feeling any pain!

I don't even know how the convo includes Jesus or you here!

The mahdi been posted is the one Muhammad said will come is in your Quran

And don't call him fake

AntiChristian:
The days of Eid are a set of fixed days in the Islamic calender!
What you need ask is what is today's date in the Islamic calender!

islamic calender

boy dont let hatred ruin you.


whwn muhamed after troubling the meccans for 12 years was asked to leave, some of his followers went ti Aabbysinia ( Ethiopia ) A christain nation that protected them.

infact many of muhamed followers saw the truth about Jesus and Converted one of them was muhamed cousin, though he didnt return back to mecca.

you are filled with so much hate habibi

AntiChristian:
So then the Christians too lied by claiming Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gospels! If Jesus preached the gospel or good news then the good news should be one not four different accounts!

Your Jesus said in John 5:30 or so, that he can of himself do nothing! He judge as he hear...

Those things he did were as was revealed to him.

Where did Jesus said he can of himself do nothing? And when you show us let's read the whole chapter as content and context

Because Muslim like Quoting a verse

Those days are over.

If you read the whole context you will see it shows the divinity of Jesus ... that means the Quran was wrong

Ekrenji:
It is nt the same. Mohammed just got things mixed up, he had tot that Moses, David and Jesus were actually given books so he tot he was given a book called the Quran too.
Jesus never claimed to have been given any book, he said he came to preach the good news (gospel). Gospel is not book

Muhammad didn't know that... Waraqa didn't teach that before he died.

Laugh wan finishi me for here

AntiChristian:
Not Uthman but Abu Bakr. See error 404!



It was already called a Book before taking the form of a Book! So a Book is what can be written and read!

He was right Uthman was the one who standardised the Quran ( and all this years we were told Allah gave it to Muhammed after writing it in heaven)

After standardising he burnt the one he felt wasn't Quran.. imagine Muslim was the first person to burn QURAN ( WORD OF ALLAH O)


Today we have more than 8 Qur'ans

Popular ones Hafs and warsh

With different readings and meaning

Gottchaaaa

Ekrenji:
Becos Muhammed never made such a claim, even at the time of revealing the Quran, he said people of the gospel should judge by what is revealed therein

“And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allāh has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allāh has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.” Sura 5:47

Then we judged by what is written in the Gospel and found out that Muhammed is a liar and manipulator ...so we obey Aallah and rejected him...


Then all he'll broke loose he showed that he was a false prophet .... and he died as it was said by Allah that if he fabricate lies he will die by blood

Yes it happened


You can't denigrate the Messiah and not receive judgement

IslamVIRGlNS:
Here is what Allah says

Surah 10:64

For them are glad tidings in this world and in the Hereafter. The words of Allah shall not change. That is the supreme triumph.


Surah 6:34

And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah . And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers.


Surah 18:27

And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words,


So, if we agree that the prophets preceding Muhammad (PBUH) were given revelation by Allah (as Maida 5:68-69 said), and since these passages, many times over, say very clearly that no one can change Allah’s Words, how then can one believe that the words of Taurat, Zabur and Injil (i.e. al kitab = the Bible) was corrupted or changed by men? It would require a denial of the Qur’an itself to believe that the Bible has been corrupted or changed.

As a matter of fact, this idea of judging various kinds of revelation from God as better or worse than others, though widely believed, is not supported in the Qur’an.




This is what the hadiths and sunnah say on this topic. Notice how the following hadiths affirm the existence and use of the Taurat and Injil in the time of the Prophet Muhammad



“Khadija [his wife] then accompanied him [The Prophet – PBUH] to her cousin Waraqa …, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.”


Al-Bukhari Vol 1, Book 1, No 3

Narrated Abu Huraira: ..The people of the Scripture used to read the Torah in Hebrew and explain it to the Muslims in Arabic. Then Allah’s Apostle said, “Do not believe the people of the Scripture, and do not disbelieve them, but say, ‘We believe in Allah and whatever has been revealed…’


Al-Bukhari Vol 9, Book 93, No. 632

The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?” They replied, “(But) we announce their crime and lash them.” Abdullah bin Salam said, “You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm.” … the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, “Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm.

Habibi

May the good Lord bless you.

They didn't know we are nit playing

They thought it was before we don't read Qurans or hadith or tasfir

Allaah didn't know there will be Internet


Glory to YASUA AL MASSIH

AntiChristian:
It's simple an unwritten book revealed to Jesus which he preached to the children of Israel.

It was never written during the lifetime of Jesus. His disciples may have written some parts of what he preached and this was circulated and later got corrupted by addition of what they didn't witness themselves.

That is not what the Quran says...it says it was between his hands according to Quran


Why are you committing shirk?
Astagrafullahi

AntiChristian:
Your assumption not from Allah!

Where did Allah say Injeel can't be changed? Injeel was specifically for the children of Israel.

You're totally wrong!

Shoe us from the Quran where it saays that the Gospel was corrupted changed?

Was it in Arabia that now affected everybody?

It was the bible that was to confirm what Muhammad was saying ( according to Arabu level recitation)

The Bible was very much around during the time of Muhammad, so when was it corrupted? So if I Misuote the Quran to you does that mean I have corrupted the whole of Quran for everybody?

Habibi think

Balerion:
The Injil was revealed to Isa (Jesus) not a book of account by Matthew and Mark

Can you show me from the Quran about this claim?What is the Injeel?

How can the injeeel be lost when it was written in your Quran that Muhammed should go to the christains if he is in doubt.. which means the tawrah gospel where available...or are you wiser than Allah?

When was this injeel lost ? Is it in arabic or Europe?
Who lost it?

I know you are educated ask questions

AntiChristian:
Short, Concise and direct!

Lovely response!

The Qur'an never mentioned "Bible" but Injeel/Torah/Zabur.

Bisimi l-abi wa l -ibni wa r Ruhi l-Qudus

All those things mentioned above are what?

The tawrah is not found in the Arabu level recitation (Quran)?

The Zabur( psalms ) are not found in the Qur'an?

The Injeel ( gospel is not found in the Quran?


What in hell is found in the Quran( Arabu level recitation)?


Think Habibi think.
How can a complete book not be complete
How can what it claims be lies
How can all the accusations it levied against christains be lies

I pray Ruh Al -Qudus open your eyes to the Salvation of Yasua Al massih

Balerion:
The Bible is not the Injil, The Bible was written and compiled by men.

Habibi you are right

So with your assertion and claim because it was written and compiled by men it is NOT THE WORD OF GOD.

Now let me ask you who wrote the Quran? Who compiled the Quran? Who standardised the Quran?

Please becareful of your reply so that it does not tally with your assertion above?

Shukran

This is interesting

Every false prophet must mention Jesus Christ

Keeping tabs on him


I will comment later

Pakute:
The New York Times Editorial Board has issued a stark warning about the deepening erosion of democratic norms in the United States under President Donald Trump, stating that no previous American president has wielded power in the manner he currently does.

In an editorial titled “Are We Losing Our Democracy?”, the board accused Trump of repeatedly acting “in defiance of the law”, warning that the country has moved closer to authoritarian tendencies.

The publication listed 12 markers of democratic erosion, each backed by detailed analysis, noting that several of these red flags have already become visible in the American political landscape.

While stressing that the United States is not yet comparable to Russia or China, the board cautioned that democratic backsliding often accelerates once it begins.

“Our country is still not close to being a true autocracy, in the mold of Russia or China. But once countries begin taking steps away from democracy, the march often continues. We offer these 12 markers as a warning of how much Americans have already lost and how much more we still could lose,” the editorial read.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/10/31/opinion/trump-autocracy-democracy-report.html

he learnt it from mohamed .... you should be happy

afterall we are all born muslim



the coming month will expose your jihadi program

AntiChristian:
You should be aware that some liars have fabricated Hadiths about the Mahdi, and others have even claimed to be he, or that he belongs to a group other than Ahl As-Sunnah wal-Jama`ah. Some of these "false Mahdis" have tried to deceive the slaves of Allah for some worldly gain and to distort the picture of Islam. Some have started movements and revolutions and gathered those people and supporters whom they were able to deceive. Then they were destroyed, and their lies and falsehood were exposed. None of this affects the belief of Ahl As-Sunnah wal-Jama`ah in the Mahdi, upon whom be peace, and that he will undoubtedly appear and rule the earth in accordance with Islamic Shari`ah.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1252/is-the-mahdi-real

Oh so you feel pain

Now you know how we feel when we are told that The best of mankind ( Jesus the sinless and undead ) spoke about Muhammad


Yes I believe this guy is the person Muhammad talked about

I love this love triangle.
Werey lafi wo werey

beardedboy:
You do realise you just committee a fallacy of exact quote?

So everything must be mentioned verbatim in the Qur'an before you can derive meaning and understanding?

So what is the essence of the brain God gave you if you can't use it to study the wisdom behind the words of God and derive implicit meanings?

You just expose your own fallacy.

It is Claimed that Quran is the complete manual of faith by Allah to Muhammad and shahaabas and mankind.

Remember I am not the one making the claim

Now the question arise is birthday haram or halal

Where do we go since it affected faith ? QURAN OF COURSE


now we asked you alfa that have brain to show us in the Quran kareem where it is said that birthdays are haraam or halal

In your response you didn't show us from the Almighty Quran rather you resort to insults and empty words from now seen empty brain 🧠

Now let me ask you again now this time around where is it in the Quran that birthday 🎂 are haram or halal?

If the Quran is silent about it that means it is clueless based on the claim that it is the perfect manual of faith

Awaiting your reply

Bisi l-abi , wal-ibni. wa r-Ruhi- l-Qudus

Why is it that no Muslim answers questions



Where are all your hadiths and Quran kareem


Does it mean you lots are scared or no answer?

All the claim of years ago is now falling like a pack of cards


We still have the issue of Allah praying 🙏 to Muhammad

That will be an expose

Stay tuned

The coming months will be amazing to the glory of the Ruh Al Qudus

Is this sharia or jungle justice ...because I know that area is dominated by Muslims



But either both is wrong

beardedboy:
Indeed, this world is only for work and worship. The full reward is in the hereafter.

Allah says in suratul sharh [verses7-8] (translation of the meaning:
So when you have finished (your occupation), devote yourself for Allâh’s worship.
And to your Lord (Alone) turn (all your) intentions and hopes.

Also, the wailing of wailers and hating of haters should never deter a believer from following the path of jannah. They are only a distraction that will fade away. Oh believer, face your Lord and turn a deaf hear to the wailing disbelievers.

May Allah help us all to achieve jannatul firdaws. Aamen.

If you die now... according to the Quran where will you be? He'll or heaven?

The Quran said hell And there awaiting judgement

Think and ask questions

Antlisiam:
You should also strike until end

Quran 47:4
Quran 2:190
Quran 2:193

By next month or so I will invite all Muslims I know and the ones you know to tell us

1. Who , when and where was the bible corrupted according to the Quran.

2.where was Did Jesus mentioned Muhammed in bible according to the Quran

3. We will discuss scientifically, historically and geographically ( not emotionally, blind faith)if Father Abraham ever journeyed to Arabia

4.this is my favourite ...the meccan side of the story.

5. Who wrote the Quran?

6.why did Allah use isa instead of yasua. Does that means Allah jinn Muhammad dosent understand linguistics

According to Al Quran kareem all Muslims when they died will be in hell awaiting judgement.


Think of that first


That means Allah doesn't even know you.

And subsequently you will need a christain or a jew as substitution before you can get to heaven.