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Who wrote the Quran?


Who wrote the Quran?

Do we have one Quran?or many Quran?


Lies of many years

Thank God for Internet



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Jagaban our president more 4 years to your tenure.

You christains still think this people are joking


Once they conquered kwara state SW is open
Once they decimate benue state SE and SS is open.


A storm is coming

Now concerning sahih muslim 2767d

​The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
​"There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians."



You aall see how trickish Allah is?

Muslims how do you think the Best deceiver who allowed you to be in hell after hitting your head on the floor and stoning the devil ...and allow you to be with the same devil that you stoned.

And he promised you that he will use the christains and Jews as your replacement in hell while you go from hell to heaven... is this not pure deception in your clear view.


The decision is yours.... as this brings out more questions.

You are told that all main will bare there sins.

But you need to send prayers and praises to Muhammad for your sins to be forgiven

You need to go round kaaba in Saudi Arabia before your sins will be forgiven

You need to kiss the black stone for your sins to be forgiven
classed as sound/good.)

​Original State and Sins:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise, and it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”



All this negate Islam claims either men who wrote the hadiths forgot the Quran

Or the men who wrote the Quran didn't inform those who wrote hadith 400 years later

What is the meaning of rescue :

The meaning of rescue is fundamentally about saving someone or something from danger, harm, or a difficult situation.
​It can be used as a verb or a noun:
​1. As a Verb (To rescue)

​Definition: To free or deliver a person, animal, or object from imminent danger, confinement, or harm, typically through prompt and vigorous action.
​Synonyms: Save, deliver, liberate, extricate, salvage.
​Example: The firefighters rescued the family from the burning apartment.

​2. As a Noun (A rescue)
​Definition: An act or instance of saving or being saved from loss, danger, or trouble.
​Synonyms: Deliverance, salvation, recovery, liberation.

​Example: The coast guard conducted a daring sea rescue after the

What is the meaning of raansone RANSOM:

Primary Meaning (Noun)
​The most common meaning of ransom is the payment demanded for the release of a captured person or item.

​Definition: The money, goods, or price demanded or paid to secure the release of a person who has been kidnapped or taken prisoner, or the return of seized property.

​Key Idea: A payment to buy freedom from captivity or constraint.
​Example: The kidnappers demanded a large ransom for the return of the hostage.

​2. Primary Meaning (Verb)
​As a verb, to ransom means to perform the action of obtaining the release.
​Definition: To obtain the release or return of a person or item by paying the demanded price.
​Key Idea: To redeem or buy back.
​Example: The family had to ransom the stolen artwork by meeting the thieves' demands.

​3. Historical and Religious Meaning (Redemption)
​The word "ransom" comes from the Latin word redemptio, which means "buying back" or "redemption." This root gives it a significant theological meaning:

​Definition: A means of deliverance or rescue from punishment for sin or spiritual death.
​Key Idea: The payment (often a metaphoric one) that achieves salvation or freedom from a spiritual penalty.

Fuckyoumod:
Thank you for your reply, please I beg of you, even if you cannot fully provide answers to my questions, kindly try as little as you can to provide me with answers to some of the questions and enlighten me better, as I'm a novice.

I also believe my questions have everything to do with the thread.

you will be diaappointed wirh that guy...

he will start quietly...then try to spin it...bring in christiaanity...then shift all you peacefully pointed put on christiaanity.


my brother islam does not mean peace ... it means submission .

submission to Allah + muhammed decisions
yet they claim he has ni partner.

they accused chrisianity on the concept of salvation that God dosent require sacrifice, intermidiaries , ransom, replacement , becaause of...

but anyone who send prayer praises on muhamed his sins will be forgiven. if you go on hajj and round the stone like the pagans do your sins will be forgiven. if you kiss the black stone sins are forgiven . infact it was because of people sin thta the kaaabaa that was white became black... and so many others

but when we open the Quran and hadiths sahih muslim 2767a 2767b 2767c 2767d where christains and jews are ransom for muslims.
it becomes another thing entirely a confusion ... you see lies upon lies to cover up arabu level lies.

2mch:
Hijab is cultural wear to protect against the sun and sands in the desert. The men that ride camels in the desert also have something similar. The female one was transformed to become a religious item. People of all faiths and tribe used to use head coverings like hijab in desert areas.

So why the brouhaha from our Muslim people

This head covering have been in use centuries before Muhammad uncle was born

And it was because of geographical location and was use culturally


Until Islam came hijacked it and place so called Muhammad command.


Just like wearing a hoodie... tomorrow somebody comes along and told you Allah has made it mandatory for men to wear as a symbol of Allah

Lagusta:
Thank you for this question

Let me throw it back at you:

How many wives did Moses marry?

How many did Solomon marry?

How many did men of the bible marry?

When you understand this, you would understand why Muhammad married many wives but we were limited to 4.

The concept of monogamy is alien to not only religion but our culture. There is NO place in the bible where God explicitly said marrying more than one wife is a sin.

If there is, please point it out let's learn 🙂

Thanks for the response but it shows your poor communication.


I asked a question the least you could have done is answer ... then after that ask me question or create another thread and tag me I will give response in order not to derail this insightful thread.



So back to the questions you are elusive of


How many wives does the Quran commanded?

How many wives does Islam prophet married? Besides the slaves he acquired during raids

What?


What?


What?

What?


What?

Who is even alive in Nigeria?.... shiooor lifeless




Wetin dem talk sef something must kill a man

How many wives did the Quran allow


How many did Muhammed married?

In Islam you can divorce a woman by saying I divorce you 3 or 4 times


Then simply take another one

Exceed15:
This actually proves that it is impossible to treat all of them equally.

Then why institute it


Do you know the damages polygamous home have done...the psychological trauma and fear till date

Lagusta:
You are right, that's why it is clearly stated in Q4:129, Allah says you can NEVER do justice between your wives.

We can only strive to provide equal food, shelter and clothing (with fluid cash) for all our wives including the kids.

May Allah continue to guide us

How many wives did Allah said we can marry ?

Because I heard prophet Muhammad married 9 or 11?

Some aalfa said 4


Whom do we follow the Quran. Muhammed or alfa?

honesttalk21:
You don't have access to a dictionary or doubt it's correctness?


The idea that Islam teaches that Jews or Christians will serve as a ransom for Muslims in Hell is simply not true. The Prophet pbuh never claimed that others would bear the sins of Muslims; rather, he indicated that Allah would replace what would have been their place (makanahu) in Hell if unforgiven as a matter of justice, not as a form of substitution.

Waraqa ibn Nawfal didn’t make Muhammad pbuh a prophet; he merely confirmed the revelation. The Christian king of Abyssinia offered protection to Muslims and was recognized by the Prophet pbuh for his fairness. The Qur’an didn’t just copy the Bible; it actually corrects and completes earlier revelations (Qur’an 5:48). Don't lose or divert the subject of your post.

Islam emphasizes personal accountability rather than substitutionary atonement it’s about mercy through justice, not substitution.

Keep contacting yourself


What is the meaning of ransom?


When we settle that we now go into ....in place of...in his stead... replacement....

honesttalk21:
Do I hold you to your statement that the Bible is corrupt? Is this why you shy away from addressing the ransom used in Proverbs 21:18.

You have many times been sufficiently answered that no one pays for sins but are forgiven directly due to faith and genuine repentance not substitution.

As usual you ended up saying nothing.

Bible been corrupt...you saw where I said according to Aallah muamed Islam...the bible is corrupt....so don't use it


The verse you quoted in prov is not talking of sin but an evil planner dying in the plan he had for a righteous person .... don't mix things up...the Bible is clear and precise.


The discussion is saahih Muslim 2767

Where Christains and Jews are ransome for Muslim sins before going to heaven.


You went about shifting goal post

Saying ransome is figurative
While the rest of the persons or things mentioned there are not figurative...


I went ahead to give 4 more instances of a Muslim been forgiven because of kaaba , black Stone , Muhammad.....which debunked your assertion that Aallah forgive Muslims just like that


Either you are myopic or don't know anything


Like I said I won't respond to your rhetoric again as you are a waste of time.



What is the meaning of RANSOM?

this hijab


i wany to ask

is it the islamic world that invented it?

or some other people like assyrians ,syrians byzantine have been using it?


if they haave been using it , is it cultural or religious?


is hijaab better thaan burqua?


can we find the word hijab and burqua in the Quran?

If looking at a woman arouse a man hence the hijab, so an hijaabi woman. Looking at a man can't she get arouse?

honesttalk21:
Go ahead and bring forth the definition and it's application to your biblical verse Proverbs 20:18

Most definitely not shifting anything. Do you accept one definition/explanation of ransom in your scripture different from literally and insist otherwise for hadith? This is highly deceptive. When you are ready to be impartially honest you are fit for valuable discussion

Alfa leaave the bible it is corrupt dont use corrupt book to justify your delusion

use the Quran and hadiths

we are discussing sahih muslim 2767
the jews and christains will be a raasom for muslims in hell to be able to go to heaven.

which negate your claim that Allah dosent require sacrifice , ransome or a substitution or because of someone or something....that all man will carry there own sins....... that is the arguement


i presented sahih muslim 2767a b d.
i presented hadith that says it was because of eve that women are unfaithful.
i presented facts that your sins are forgiven for going to mecca doing tawaf .
I presented that kissing the black stone takes away sins
I presented that saying prayers praises on Muhammed takes away sin

Let me reserve the other ones

All this negate your claims and put you in a dilemma, you wanna be emotional or angry face your Allah and Muhammad and Quran.

If you can't answer this simple question...you are wasting my time.

And if you still want to use bots to reply and further confuse yourself.
If you go round and round it ... I will ignore you

Answer this What is the meaning of RANSOM ?

honesttalk21:
In Proverbs 21:18, the Hebrew term kopher is often translated as ransom, but it’s more of a figurative expression. It doesn’t imply that the wicked pay for the righteous. Instead, it illustrates how the harm intended for the good often bounces back on the evil, ultimately protecting the upright much like Haman meeting his end on his own gallows or Pharaoh’s army being destroyed while Israel made their escape. In a similar vein, Sahih Muslim 2767 mentions fida (ransom) and makanahu (his place), but it’s important to note that no one bears the punishment of another. Allah, in His mercy, spares those believers who repent, while the place in Hell is reserved for those who truly deserve it. This hadith highlights the themes of divine justice and mercy, rather than suggesting any kind of substitution or literal ransom.


You have long been spoken of in Quran 2:120

Never will the Jews or Christians be pleased with you, until you follow their faith. Say, Allah’s guidance is the only true guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after all the knowledge that has come to you, there would be none to protect or help you against Allah.

Now I know why you are jumping topics
Jews and christians.... the same people that will be your ransom in hell


The same christain waraqa that told Muhammad he was a prophet.

The same Christain nation that protected Muslims when they where chased away in Mecca for there troublesomeness.

The same Christains that Muhammad Allah took there land


The same Christain that Muslims are running to there lands

The same Christain that will be your ransom in hell.


The same Christain that you stole from there book? And claim Quran is complete. But if I asked you what is the name of Adam's two sons in the Quran, Nigeria NEPA will take power.


What is the meaning of RANSOM?

honesttalk21:
How is it relevant to Proverbs 21:18 and who is it paid to?

Our discussion was on sahih muslim 2767 you see when I say you are shifting goal post you become emotional and loose focus.



What is Ransom?

honesttalk21:
Let's first clarify to you who this discussion is truly and actively with.

Proverbs 21:18 reads that the wicked shall be a ransom for the righteous. The Hebrew term kopher refers to a substitute or a price of release, but in this context, it’s not about atoning for someone’s sins. Instead, it paints a picture of divine justice: the evil schemes that the wicked devise against the righteous often end up backfiring on them. Their own downfall becomes the very thing that saves the upright. Just think about Haman, who was hanged on his own gallows, or Pharaoh’s army that drowned while Israel made their escape God cleverly uses the plots of the wicked to shield the righteous. It’s a beautifully poetic way of illustrating that in God’s justice, the wicked often end up delivering the righteous through their own self-destruction.

Hope you better understand this

what is the meaning of ransom?

honesttalk21:
I am not projecting anything. You should ask those you claim were asking questions to explain to you what I wrote about Proverbs 21:18 and what you understood and respond to. When that is clear we can proceed otherwise there is no point.

obiviously no point , since you keep shifting the goal post...

now to make it easier for our readers

i asked again define the meaning of Ransom?

honesttalk21:
Be honest enough to admit your misunderstanding.

Stop projecting your sinking assertion on me.



What is the meaning of ransom?

Lies and propaganda will take you 100 feet high but will need more lies and propaganda to keep it there.




Just one blow of truth..... yakataaa

honesttalk21:
I believe you are more courteous answer my starting question.

What is Ransom?

honesttalk21:
Habibi, understand this: in Islam, Allah’s love is real and profound, but forgiveness is conditional, based on sincere repentance, faith, and righteous deeds. No one takes another’s place. Sahih Muslim 2767 shows Muslims with heavy sins are spared Hell by Allah’s mercy, not because someone else suffers; makanahu simply marks the spot they would have occupied. In contrast, Christianity presents God’s love as free but sacrificial, where Jesus’ death guarantees forgiveness for all who believe, even when they don’t deserve it. Islam emphasizes mercy through personal accountability, while Christianity emphasizes mercy through substitutionary love both teach forgiveness, but the mechanisms are very different.

There are 8 instances in the Quran and hadiths that shows forgiveness is gotten through someone or something, which faults your claim

Now if you can Define Ransom let's start from there?

honesttalk21:
Read and understand without emotion.

try to take your own advice



what is Ransom?

honesttalk21:
You should first clarify what your stance is on who pays for your own sins??

Habibi, you keep saying I’m shifting the goalpost, but you’re missing the basic principle of how Arabic and revelation work.
Words like fida (ransom) and makanahu (in his place) can be literal or figurative, depending on the sentence and theological context. The Qur’an itself uses figurative language often;a barrier of light,a hand of Allah,the face of your Lord yet you don’t take those literally, because context defines meaning.

Now, the hadith doesn’t say Jews or Christians are punished for Muslims’ sins. That would contradict Qur’an 6:164 and 35:18 No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Rather, it describes what happens after Allah forgives certain Muslims their place in Hell is filled by those who rejected God knowingly. Just like Proverbs 21:18 says, The wicked is a ransom for the righteous not that they pay their sins, but that the evil intended for the good returns upon the wicked. You should tell us if misunderstood or any hadith takes precedence over the Quran itself. Do well to answer this question should you respond.

So no, the Qur’an isn’t contradictory it’s precisely consistent; God forgives whom He wills (Qur’an 39:53), judges justly (Qur’an 4:40), and no one carries another’s guilt. The ransom wording is a divine exchange of outcome, not transfer of guilt.

You say don’t quote the Bible, but even your argument relies on the same moral logic scripture teaches everywhere that the wicked often fall into the very punishment they plan for others. You can reject the Bible’s text, but you can’t reject the moral law written on every human heart that mercy and justice belong only to the Creator, not to blood or any other sacrifices.

If anything, this hadith proves Allah’s absolute sovereignty: He alone decides who is saved, who is forgiven, and who faces the consequences of disbelief. There’s no loophole only justice perfectly measured and mercy beyond human logic from the most merciful.

LETS START FROM HERE SINCE YOU MISS THE POINT

Define RANSOME?

honesttalk21:
Exactly and that’s the whole point you just confirmed without realizing it. When Proverbs 21:18 says the wicked is a ransom for the righteous, it doesn’t mean the wicked literally pay for the sins of the righteous it means the very evil or punishment meant for the good ends up falling on the wicked instead. In divine justice, the trap they set for others becomes their own downfall.

That’s precisely how the hadith about makanahu (his place) should be understood. Allah doesn’t make one person carry another’s guilt.

What happens on the Day of Judgment is that some Muslims who repented and were forgiven will be spared Hell and the disbelievers, who rejected God knowingly, will occupy those places in Hell instead. It’s not substitution; it’s redistribution of divine justice.

A fundamental error you make is fixation that sin is paid for not a merciful God being forgiving and able to do that.

Thank you.

What ? I can't believe you said that

How is an evil man planning evil for a righteous and the Lord delivered the wicked in his plan instead of the righteous. How are you mixing things up habibi ...don't make me question your education.

Again you are putting your own words at me ..... our God of the bible is a loving God that will forgive even when we don't deserve it ,as man we can't save ourselves from sin Satan and last day and in his own plan made a way by sending his Only begotten Son to come die and rose again as an assurance of forgiveness of sin and Resurrection to life.

But your Islamic view said No... we asked why? You cooked up claims that he didn't die,we show evidences from the bible and historical evidences , we asked who died in the cross if not Jesus , till date no answer... you all just say Muhammad said so... that is 6oo years after crucifixion.


You say everyone will carry his sins according to Allah Muhammad... I showed you 4 examples from your source that says opposite, instead of seeing the error you went ahead to twist words , but the more you do you expose dark truth about the lies in Islam.


So any Muslim that died MUST be in hell? Wow
So all the 5 days prayer didn't save the Muslims?
Travelling to mecca all won't save a Muslim?

Dear Muslims ask yourself questions ,so heaven is not even sure...you must be in hell? What if is a trick by Allah to keep you there permanently?