₦airaland Forum

martowskin1:
That was what the founding fathers of Nigeria thought as well, check and balance.

But history has proved them wrong.... But like I always said, everyone have their choice to be where they want to be.... No one should force any union on anyone.

I think the ijaws,ibibios, urhobo,isoko,ogoni,etc to sit down and discuss our future, not igbos telling us we're part of biafra until we referendum or start our own movement or igbos telling us the Niger Delta will not work because of this and that , what rubbish?

Kinematics:
Atleast they do it with respect of our existence as a people. The Ibo man do it without regard or respect of who we are. For the Ibos the SS does not exist, infact left for the ibos we would be cut out from the face of the earth. Hardly will you see a yoruba or hausa tag us as "minority" but the ibo is always the first to do that.

The hausa or yoruba man does not interfere in our discussions, but the ibo man is always the first to tell us that we a fools that know not our origin. The ibo man is the first to trample on our existence just to make himself look big.
Nigeria is messed up we know, but the other tribes atleast give us some respect, but not abusing us everyday on nairaland. But the ibos are always the ones trying to attach us to themselves and make the world believe we never existed.

You dont see no person from the SS open a thread to Bring down the idea of Biafra, but once SS people talk about Niger Delta Republic the ibos will begin to write all sorts of lies and curses. You'll hear them say there is nothing like ND, theres nothing like SS, all the tribes in the SS will not agree, ND will be a chaos, no the ibo speaking parts of SS will not join ND, SS people dont know their history and origin, they are all fools, ijaw will dominate, ibibio or urhobo will dominate, an Edo man has nothing in common with a Cross Riverian bla bla bla.

exactly my brother. They're really irritating, you hardly see hausas or Yorubas involve themselves in our discussions but some igbos will jump into it and start forming Lord's.

Yujin:
This Biafra doesn't need your support to be achieved... that's the difference between then and now. Just vote against Biafra and your land and people will be excluded from her. Is there any arrogance in that? The Akoko Ondo part of Ondo state voted against being in Midwest region during the 1963 plebiscite. This is how this referendum shall be. We're not important but will not take because of assumed few misguided persons like you to leave the majority of your people who want out of Nigeria. Clear our doubts that majority of your people don't want Biafra by starting up your own agitation for your accepted country. Is that arrogance too?

we will do that at our own time, you're not in the position to tell us when to agitate or not, you're the one having doubts and that's why you keep including us in biafra even when you very well we don't want it, arrogance is when you keep including us in your map and we say we don't want and you start talking referendum rubbish.

martowskin1:
No hatred bro, am partly delta as well, I grew up in the street of warri, I love them die... Biafra or not, delta is my home for life.

But am just saying things as it is. Delta state as a single state, u need to see the tribal card played during elections, minority this, majority that.

The itsekiri and ijaw don't look eye to eye.

Even udu urhobo will tell u they are different from ughelli urhobo ..

We have not talked about isoko, delta Igbo.... The tug of war in that small delta no be joke, then add river state to it, ikwere, ogoni, where will I start mentioning from.

This are part of the reason Nigeria is not working, so many different interest.

Am sorry I might have said it the wrong way, but I meant no hate bro.... The ND are my brothers and will always be....

But the earlier we start facing reality we won't go any where, Biafra won't pay the ND, it will be another mini Nigeria.

The truth, ND as a country will even be difficult, the tribal division in ND is over whelming.

Delta igbos and rivers igbos will be In Biafra, the rest of us will be in ND republic, an ijaw man can't intimidate an ibibio man because they have almost equall numbers, an urhobo man can't intimidate a bini man cus they have almost the same numbers,etc. There will be checks and balances, everyone has oil and has sea access to start with so what else are you going to oppress other ethnicities for?

Kinematics:
This is your most sensible comment so far. However you tend to deviate and exude arrogance sometimes(which we from the SS has seen as the hallmark of a Biafran/ipob). Stick with write up like this then I'll take you serious.

The gospel truth is Biafra will be useless without the SS. That's why they fight everyday here to attach SS to their fantasy Biafra.

Tell that yujin of a guy. Be saying we're part of biafra until we do referendum or start our movement then they'll recognize us, imagine such arrogance, I like my people, just like his ancestors called my ancestors traitors and saboteurs in 1967, he will call me and my brothers the same names when the time comes and we won't hesitate to betray them again since they don't want to have sense and leave us alone.

Yujin:
Lol. We will include you in the referendum unless you start agitating for your own country. Better start now to agitate for your own country then we will remove you from Biafran map. Let the world know you want your own country then we IPOB will adjust. Your popularity among your people will force us to readjust to reality.
We know that lots of guys here like you are either not from the ND or are from the vocal minority. So, show us your popularity.

we have nothing to prove to anybody, especially not "IPOB",not all fingers are equal, no be who start first de finish first, fight for your biafra at your pace and we will fight for our Niger Delta at our own time, I'm an ibibio boy so I believe I speak for a majority of Niger Deltans, don't disturb us.

Yujin:
I'm proudly an IPOB member
Truly we don't need them but we won't just throw them away because of the long historical connection we have with lots of them. This is how IPOB see it. We include them for the referendum. Let it be them that will reject it and seal their fate. It is not like they're enjoying Nigeria and we are dragging them. They're suffering too and the confusion among them is too much. Some of them whose eyes have opened know that Biafra cannot be half as worse as Nigeria. The little enjoyment they're having is because of the Igbo presence which will be evident after our exit. They'll run for their lives leaving their lands behind. Guess which country they'll run to? Same Biafra they rejected.
Do you see how the northern Christians are seeking for Igbo assistance? They've learnt the hard way. Appreciate IPOB... it's not easy. Do you know how many attempts to bribe the leadership that we rejected? Asari after the pressure has received money and moved to Benin republic. What has changed in the ND since then?

We don't need your referendum, we don't need your protection or connection, carry the Igbo speaking parts of Rivers and Delta and form your biafra, we don't need your intervention, we will sort ourselves out, stop feeling too important.

Kinematics:
Face your Biafra and leave Niger Delta(Edo, Delta, Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa Ibom and Cross River) for us. We shall sort ourselves out.

it's so disgusting seeing some igbos decide who and who will make up Niger Delta, some of the most useless ones say there's nothing like Niger Delta, and then expect us not to betray them again and again. Smh

Dreadful:
Mumu man... Continue to groan in pains.
A referendum will bury your deluded self.
Then we will know who your Niger Delta rubbish are

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE BIAFRA, UNTIL WE CONDUCT A REFERENDUM IN EBONYI AND ANAMBRA, PROBABLY ENUGU TOO, THEN WE WILL KNOW WHAT YOUR BIAFRA RUBBISH IS ALL ABOUT,IT WILL LIKELY END IN ABIA. YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE MONOPOLY OF REASONING ANYHOW, UNAM IKOD

valirex:
Respect is reciprocal, if they don't recognize the individual nations in southern Nigeria then we can't recognize biafra. They act like they have the monopoly to Independence

They feel they are the only ones who can be mad. Imagine such nonsense

valirex:
I am, so I can quote you as long as you mention where I am from

no problem. I thought you were one of those igbo guys trying to form Lord lugard

valirex:
Count Edo out of Niger Delta Republic. Let everyone make their choices. Edo is up to the task of being fully independent. Ijaw might also wanna be on their own.

are you from Edo or ijaw? If no don't quote me.

Dikebuka:
To the OP
Their is nothing like Niger-Delta..
Niger-Delta includes Abia, Imo, Anambra and Ondo.

Niger-Delta are just oil producing region in the country..

Its either you say you are ijaw, Efik, Annang, benin, urhobo, itsekiri, kalabari, Esan, or Igbo

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE BIAFRA, IT'S EITHER YOU'RE ENUGU,IMO,EBONYI,ABIA OR ANAMBRA

Dedetwo:
Bro Pazi, who the hell are Niger Delta? I really do not want a repeated lie to become defector truth. All of the goons who shout Niger Delta on this forum are even ashamed of their ancestral heritage. Please be mindful there are large percentage of Igbo people in the so-called Niger Delta. I am strictly for Republic of Igbo land not even Biafra. However there are very close allies who fought the war of attrition with Ndigbo in Biafra. It is a good manner of respect to give these worthy allies a chance to choose. There is a factor called cultural proximity in the make of a nation state. There is no doubt in my mind that there are groups of people in the so-called Niger Delta who would want to join Oduduwa Republic even though they remain in their shell of treachery. Bro Pazi, I shall repeat nothing defines Nigeria to me more than Nigeria/Biafra war.

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE BIAFRA.

pazienza:
Dede. I beg to disagree. The Niger delta reserve the right to choose what is right for themselves, even if we think it's not right for them, it should be none of our business.
It's actually a display of lack of intellect to try and force your opinion on others or try to forcefully keep them in a union they want no part of.
Ndiigbo would have no moral high ground to demand for Separate Biafra, if we keep insisting that there is no Niger Delta, because Nigerians can as well claim there is no Biafra and that we are stupid for wanting Biafra.

In all we do, we must think of repercussions and extrapolations our actions could result to.
What is good for the goose should also be good for the gander.
Niger delta exists, whether Biafrans like it or not, just as Biafra exists, whether Nigerians like it or not.
You will never make a Niger deltan Biafran, just as you can never make a Biafran Nigerian. Such arrangements of forceful union will only breed resentment, hate and pepertual failure of such anomalous geographical expression as typified by Nigeria's comatose state today.

you are quite different from so many igbos on nairaland, I like you. Kudos bro

MichaelDuf:
There is nothing like Niger Delta. I am from cross River and a Biafran

where in Cross river? We will gladly donate you to abia state, rubbish

Balogunodua:
So blackking98 an afonja, smh osu no dey disappoint

The guy is really dull

Lol something that has already finished on Twitter. We won tho

pazienza:
I don't think Ogoni will accept any other union after Nigeria that doesn't guarantee them their own total independent country .
So I believe 100% Ogoni will be a country of their own.
Maybe 20 is a stretch, but this is what I foresee :

1. Niger delta republic (Ijaws in Rivers including parts of PHLGA, Bayelsa, Olodiama in Edo, Ijaw in Ondo, Ijaws in Bayelsa, Ijaws in Ibeno and Eastern Obolo Akwaibom)
*I am hoping Ndoki in Abia help us keep Oyigbo safe from Ijaw grasp.

2. Urhobo/Isoko country

3. Edo Conglomerate ( This is assuming the Esan and Bini finally realize they are brothers and stop their petty bickering, unite and try to reconcile the Afemai union (Akoko Edo/Etsako/Owan)

4. Ika/Igbanke Union

5. Ukwuani/Ndokwa/Ndoni/ assimilated Isoko in Ndokwa Union

6. Annang-Ibibio-Efik and parts of Ibeno and Eastern Obolo Union

7. Oro Nation

8. Ogoni Nation

9. Akalaka (Ikwerres/Ekpeye/Ogba)/Etche Union

10. Reunification of Enuani, Isobo, Egbema, and Oyigbo with SE to form Alaigbo Republic

11. Reunification of Itsekiri in a loose Union with Oodua or totally independent Itsekiri

12. Northern Cross Rivers is a tower of Babel. Could easily fragment to at least 5 countries.


So that's 16 countries in total at least.

Say na tower of babel . Those guys can have like three different ethnic groups in one local government

pazienza:
You are not an Oro or Ogoni man, so not in position to speak for the two groups. I have provided you with articles from those two groups to give you an idea of what they stand for.
This is Oro:http://www.waado.org/nigerdelta/RightsDeclaration/Oron.htm

This is Ogoni :http://saharareporters.com/2012/08/02/ogoni-declares-self-government

It is insulting for you to claim you know what their struggles are all about and reduce it to mere state governorship.
It's insulting and insensitive from you. Ogoni and Oro struggles are beyond that and have been on for a long time. You are as much as an outsider as I am, because you not from there.
It's also preposterous for you to reduce Igbo desire and quest for Biafra to Nigerian presidency, it shows how ignorant you are to the core issues driving these struggles.
Which Niger delta started with militancy? More like Ijaw started with militancy and were rewarded fully with the presidency, but were Ijaws ever clamouring for independence from Nigeria before GEJ? I don't think so. Militancy was all about resource control, which remains a forlorn hope since then.
Ogoni and Oro have always wanted independence or at least a loose autonomy for as long as I can remember.
The siting Of Ibom airport in Oro land is a good gesture by the way, but I feel Oro believe they deserve more.

That is what has played out unfortunately, it's not my fault the Nigerian state is like that. I've told you what you need to know about the Oro struggle but it seems you feel like being a freedom fighter, I won't explain nada to you anymore. When you say Oro deserve more can you let us understand how? We're given back a mere 15% of what we produce to manage ourselves and we're trying our best in that.

obowo69:
As someone who have seen Oro campaign for independence on nairaland, i can tell you that you need to stop speaking for them if you are not from there. Allow an Oro person to speak for themselves. You are now acting like Nnamdi kanu led IPOB that you condemn.

That's my problem with you lots, why are you always carrying what you see on nairaland as the general view of an ethnic group. So me an Akwa ibomite is telling you the current politics playing out within my state and you're carrying one irrelevant Post to argue with me? Why it's even more annoying is you're not allowing the Oro or ogoni people here talk, you have turned spoke person's for them. An Igbo man or Yoruba man can't decide who and who will be in Niger Delta republic

pazienza:
You are the one not being accommodating of the fact that in a free for all independence struggle.
Many groups like Oro and Ogoni would chose to go for it alone rather than be part of a Niger delta republic.
You are struggling to make peace with this, like IPOB struggling to make peace with homogeneous Igbo Biafra.
Stop projecting your insecurities on my and Biafra.
Biafra I repeat will work with all independent seeking groups in SS to harmonize the push for freedom from Nigeria , Ogoni and Oro one of those independent groups, I'm sure there are many other ethnic groups in SS than would prefer to go at it on their own if the opportunity presents itself.
http://saharareporters.com/2012/08/02/ogoni-declares-self-government

You suffer from inferiority complex. If 32,000 San Marino who speak Italian language can decide to be independent of Italy and be a nation of its own, why can't Oro, Ikwerre or Ogoni do same? Oro people I know don't even want to be part of Akwa ibom, talkless of a bigger Niger delta republic, those lots crave for independence of their own. So what is good for Europeans isn't good for Africans because you want a big Niger delta republic where your own bigger group will dominate others? That's your headache though.

There will, should and can be as much as independent countries from Nigeria as much as the indigenous people desire. Biafra will work on her own Independence, but will also reach out to any surrounding indigenous group seeking for independence in SS, for synergistic effort.

You're talking gibberish as usual. Did a politician from Oro tell you they don't want to be part of Akwa Ibom? Or did a traditional ruler tell you that, did any important Oro person tell you that? Oh I forgot one monicker posting rubbish on NL told you and you're swallowing it, you can talk rubbish anyhow you like on NL I won't really bother but when it involves my state Akwa Ibom then me and you are in for a very long thing. You do not understand the politics of Akwa Ibom mr Man, Oro doesn't want to be part of Akwa Ibom yet they have the only airport in the state located at okobo precisely, Oro doesn't want to be part of Akwa Ibom yet I deep sea port is in their territory mbo precisely and many other critical infrastructure in Akwa Ibom which could have been easily located in IBIBIO or Annang territory and heaven wouldn't fall, mr Biafra let me tell you now that what the Oro man is looking for govenorship seat and once they have it they will rest, if you like you believe if you like keep typing shit, in 1999 the Yorubas started with OPC and odudwa republic, they were awarded with the presidency and it has died a natural death, we here in the Niger Delta started with militancy and we were given the presidency and our agitations have reduced, come 2023 if an Igbo man becomes president most of those people shouting Biafra or death with u will shut up and desert you, so stop carrying matter on your head like gala, we all know what the ogoni and the Oro want is the govenorship seat and those talk they have been talking is their bargaining chip. Focus on your Biafra, we will focus on our Niger Delta thank you, you can't come and decide who and who will be part of ND republic or not, enjoy your Biafran struggle while we sort ourselves out.

In another thread they were intercepted at agbor en route to asaba, what's wrong with this nomadic clowns? I trust my Akwa Ibom people, Akwa Ibom ayaya

pazienza:
We are a for all groups having freedom to speak for themselves.
It's not in your place to tell the Oro man or the Ogoni man that Niger delta republic is best for them, when these groups don't feel so and are currently pushing for their own independence subtly.
What you are doing is no different from what IPOB are doing.
You must respect the wishes of those small groups if they don't want to be part of your large Niger delta as they have indicated.
Europe has San Marino as independent country with just a population of 32,000 people, my Idemili North LGA have like 200,000 people, yet San Marino is an independent country. Let's not talk about the likes of Lichtenstein, Andorra, Gilbratta, Kosovo, etc.
These are countries in Europe that Oro and Ogoni are bigger than yet full fledged independent countries.
Niger delta can divide as much as is necessary and as much as independent ethnic groups there feel they should. You are not in position to speak for other group there not yours. Not everyone wants to be part of a bigger group or entity.

Yes! Ndiigbo will work with all groups seeking for independence in SS, this is exactly my point.

I like your analogy but this is Africa,not Europe sir. I'm yet to see where an Oro man has said he doesn't want to be part of ND, I'm from Akwa Ibom so if you're using the opinion of one of two monickers to reflect as the opinion of the larger Oro community then I laugh at you in Hispanic, you do not know the internal politics being played in my state and as such you can talk anyhow, I can't speak for ogoni as I'm not from Rivers State, how ever you make it seem like you and your Igbo lads are selling independence at aba market, get your biafra if it's that easy, we'll get our Niger Delta republic, when we are both independent you can talk this gibberish you're yarning about over 20 independent countries, funny you.

pazienza:
Ogoni is already a member of UNDPO and MOSSOP is even older than IPOB.
Oro has been in fight for independence as well. There used to be an Oro moniker on this forum years back who was leading the campaign.

Ijaw dominated and ruled old Rivers state with iron fist, so much that Saro Wiwa started campaigning against Ijaw reign.
The Igboids are completely dominating modern Rivers state as we speak.
Urhobos are virtually the kingmakers of Delta politics.


It's good to dream of a monolithic Niger delta republic as an Ibibio-Annang-Efik man whose population would automatically make a major dominant stake holder of such country, like IPOB are dreaming of a heterogeneous ethnic Biafra, but how about smaller groups like Ogoni
who are tired of playing minority even amongst minorities? Reality suggests how non-feasible those dreams are.

if we want to go by your logic Africa alone would have well over a hundred countries, talkless of culturally diverse continent's like Asia. There's no possible way Oro or ogoni or other minorities you speak of are going to have a separate country without following the bigger groups, be it ijaw or ibibio or urhobo, the Oro you speak of would be at advantage because the difference between an ibibio or efik man to an oro man is like finding the difference between ebonyi Igbo and Delta Igbo, it's still the same ibibio-efik-annang-oro family. Central and nothern Cross river alone has well over ten ethnic groups, will they also be divided into different countries? Niger Delta republic can't be like Nigeria because everyone will be in control of his or her destiny, there will be new states formed within the country for minorities, something like a new south south within the Niger Delta. Your idea of having more than 20 countries from niger Delta is really laughable. We are finding it hard to get biafra and Niger Delta republic you're talking about 20 new countries? Saying igbos will support the minorities to have their own countries free of ibibio or ijaw, support yourself and have your biafra before you start being another Lord lugard.

pazienza:
Well I know that Ibibio, Ijaw and Urhobo favour Niger delta republic because you hope to start playing majority politics in the new country against the smaller ethnic groups, like Ijaw did in old Rivers state, Urhobo in current Delta and Ibibio in Akwa Ibom.

But you must know that Niger Delta republic will not happen. After escaping this failed Nigeria,no ethnic nationality would ever tolerate to be under another.
Groups like Oro, Ogoni are already far advanced in their quest for independent country free from Ibibio and Ijaws, and would be supported by Ndiigbo to gain such, if we have a strategic leadership by then sha, not the current disorganized one championing for Biafra.

I am 100 percent that there will be no Niger Delta republic,At least not one consisting of all current 6 SS states intact. Niger Delta republic will likely in the end be just Ijaw republic, which was exactly what Boro defunct Niger Delta republic was all about.
At least 20 independent countries would emanate from the current Niger Delta region.
IPOB should stop wasting our time and forge synergy with all those groups as independent countries and not part of Biafra, so that we can all push together in our direction and free ourselves from Lagos/Abuja gang up that had affected all of us in the region.

20 independent countries? What a wawu. Niger Delta republic is bayelsa, Akwa Ibom, Edo, cross river, non Igbo speaking parts of Delta and rivers. Those ethnicities you speak of, if you understand the terrain and Niger Delta politics you'll know that ibibio , ijaw or urhobo even in Alliance as large as they are can't dominate the Niger Delta like Igbo hausa and Yoruba are doing to Nigeria now. So plan your biafra and we plan our Niger Delta republic, thanks.

dukeprince50:
Im on same side with the OP, I do not support one Nigeria either, the thing u have to know Is that I also do not support merging SS and SE together. As a Niger Deltan, I hate to be merged with any other part again be it Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, the greediness from this tribe is actually a pain in my ass. From experience, it shows that Igbos, Hausa, Yoruba value themselves more than other tribe, they can't cohabit and this cause tribal conflict, I want a Nigeria where every one will see his or herself as one, though difference in language and culture but we are one, if that can't happen then the SS are better left on their own. tribal conflict is not that much here as it is in other part of Nigeria

Exactly. We from the SS don't want one Nigeria and we don't also want to be merged with either Igbo or Yoruba in a new country. Do we support Biafra? Yes, Do we want to be part of biafra? No. We'd have our own Niger Delta republic or break up in to smaller republics

dignity33:
we still see them as brother until they said otherwise through referendum not online propagandist.

abia, imo,enugu,ebonyi, Anambra and Igbo speaking parts of Delta and River's are the Biafra u speak of. Please stop adding Akwa Ibom, Cross river, Edo, bayelsa, non Igbo parts of Delta and River's. I'm from Akwa Ibom. Thanks

LZAA:
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They even managed to hike the price to 145 when we were buying 87
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budaatum:
So, some people might be bothered if some people show muscle in their backyard?

I believe I have answered this already

IlovePMB:
It is not a haram if you do it with the hand of your little slave girl according to Mohammed (peace be with him)

scoundrel

budaatum:
I'm sorry, but I do not recall asking you any such question and would be most grateful if you showed me where I did so I can correct what would be stupidity on my part for asking you questions you can't possibly answer unless you helped decide why America has bases wherever it has them.

In the meantime, I would be most obliged if you would bother to answer the simple questions I did ask which are one's you can answer since they are a request for your personal opinion.



Basically, would you feel threatened by the muscle I show in your backyard?

if we are friends no I will not be really bothered, if we are enemies heck yeah. As an analogy I'm an Akwa ibomite, if where I live in calabar had an increase number of igbos or ijaws moving in really i won't be bothered, but if i saw fulanis moving tbh I'd call a meeting of landlords. Same applies to the US, Russia, China and other big boys. Germany doesn't feel threatened by having the largest US military base in Europe but Russia feels threatened, you know why already. China seems ok with North Korea having nuclear weapons but the US is not, you obviously know why. Hope you get my point