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chukwunweikeemi:
Faith of which Christ is the object is what saves us.Baptism is not necessary for salvation.To be saved or born again a person simply acknowledges that he/she is a sinner and put their trust in the death,burial,and resurrection of Jesus Christ to be the full payment for their sins..If we add anything to faith then we cannot be partakers of the new birth.I believe so many persons are not saved simply because they add one thing or the other to faith:The Jehovah's witness are an unsaved bunch as are the Roman Catholics.The Mormons are unsaved and even the pentecostals.The pentecostals will say 'Salvation is by faith alone' and then they will add that 'if you don't have works then you're not saved' thus contradicting themselves.Anybody who adds anything to simple faith on the Lord Jesus Christ will end up in hell fire if death meets them in that condition.Please Sirs,I want to urge you to come as sinners and place your faith on the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
"For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life"-- Jn 3v16
Thank you.

That's wrong without works no one will inherit Heaven.

Using your logic means that Prostitute, killers,thieves, liars,Idiolators, e.t.c will inherit Heaven becos all this people I mentioned all believe and have faith in Jesus.


James 2:14-26
New King James Version
Faith Without Works Is Dead(A)
14 (B)What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 (C)If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and (D)one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” (E)Show me your faith without [a]your works, (F)and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works (G)when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see (H)that faith was working together with his works, and by (I)works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, (J)“Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called (K)the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, (L)was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Kobojunkie:
The point is that all those who end up in Hell believe Jesus Christ - the devil, demons, believers who turn out to be goats - they all believe and have eternal life which they will spend in their.

Unbelievers have no place in Hell since they do not belong to Jesus Christ.

Were is this written in the Bible?

Stop saying things you do not know, God's judgement is very severe on such people.

Kobojunkie:
Read your Bible...Jesus Christ gives it freely to everyone who obeys His command to believe in Him. That is one of the many commandments of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ that comes with a promise and in this case, the promise is eternal life.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Ihedinobi3:
https://www.nairaland.com/post/84120168

https://www.nairaland.com/post/84187549



As for this, I really don't understand anyone who thinks that Nairaland is the place to win or lose debates. Who decides who has won and who has lost. You? Me? The audience? This is not Debate Club. I just come here to teach what I know to anyone who wants to hear me. It's not my problem if what I have to say is rejected. I don't control people's free will.

So, you can wallow in your bloated sense of meaningless victory. The trouble that you have to deal with is what is coming to you if you are actually teaching lies on this platform and causing children of God to stumble. Everyone of us who dares to speak in God's Name should be careful about that.



My point is simply that you are spending a lot of energy on things that you want to sound like you're absolutely sure about. No one does that if they actually think that they are right.

Now, I must bid you good night. I really have no interest in discussing with you.

This is the most stupid logic I have ever seen.
So pastors who keep preaching on righteousness are wrong because they should not be preaching it regularly if they were sure of it?

You are really dumb.

Ihedinobi3:
https://www.nairaland.com/post/84120168

https://www.nairaland.com/post/84187549



As for this, I really don't understand anyone who thinks that Nairaland is the place to win or lose debates. Who decides who has won and who has lost. You? Me? The audience? This is not Debate Club. I just come here to teach what I know to anyone who wants to hear me. It's not my problem if what I have to say is rejected. I don't control people's free will.

So, you can wallow in your bloated sense of meaningless victory. The trouble that you have to deal with is what is coming to you if you are actually teaching lies on this platform and causing children of God to stumble. Everyone of us who dares to speak in God's Name should be careful about that.



My point is simply that you are spending a lot of energy on things that you want to sound like you're absolutely sure about. No one does that if they actually think that they are right.

Now, I must bid you good night. I really have no interest in discussing with you.

Who wins and argument is self evident, in all those arguments i was able to show proves and facts which you could not.

You posted links to topics which are quite different from this very thread, although they are somehow related.
That's not a problem for anyone who wants to learn, not a naive person who cannot comprehend articles.
What fascinates me most is your inability to pick one point(thank God they are numbered) an prove to the audience with Bible facts why they are wrong.

Till you do that, no one will take you serious, especially with your reputation as someone who lacks comprehension.

Kobojunkie:
You don't know that Jesus Christ promised Salvation from the condemnation of sin which is death, promising eternal life instead to all who believe in Him?

Did he promise eternal life to sinners?
That's my question.

deltateam:
Say what you know. When hell starts burning you, I hope you get to send someone to edit this nonsense you called a topic.

Clown.

Your ignorance is Epic.
I never wrote that Hell does not or will not exist.

I only proved from the Bible the true meaning of Hell.

If you were intelligent and very sure of what you are saying you could have shown me were I am wrong.

You are the type that give Christianity a bad name with your naivety.

FirstSon01:
Cause I refused to accept the existence of sky daddy??

But you accepted that you have Ape daddy for ancestors?

Kobojunkie:
Read your Bible...Jesus Christ gives it freely to everyone who obeys His command to believe in Him. That is one of the many commandments of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ that comes with a promise and in this case, the promise is eternal life.

So Jesus promised to give sinners eternal life,?
Abeg show me were in the Bible, there is hope for me and other sinners, abeg show me?

Ihedinobi3:
Only that you've discussed this subject at least once before (I think you have discussed it several times, in fact, but I have no time to go through all your topics and posts to find places where you have), so it would seem that you're really trying to convince yourself that you are right about what you believe here. In other words, I think that you have at least a suspicion that you are quite wrong about the things you are saying. But since it is important to you for them to be true, maybe it would be best if you just believed them and stopped bothering to debate them. You will only agitate yourself more and more to no good end.

If you have come across it, their are millions who have not and who need and wish to know the truth.
I never wrote it with interest to debate it, my motive is to enlighten people and to turn them away from the deception and lies that have besiged christianity.

This articles are meant to motivate and lead people to read and research in this topics on their own, I don't want people to believe what i wrote without them verifying for themselves.

Kobojunkie:
The point is that all those who end up in Hell believe Jesus Christ - the devil, demons, believers who turn out to be goats - they all believe and have eternal life which they will spend in their.

NO Sinner has eternal life, if they have who gave it to them?

Ihedinobi3:
Of course the topic was different, but what I said is that you have discussed this before elsewhere. Must it be the same topic for you to discuss it?

I have no interest in debating with you. I already did it once and established that you have a rather unflinching aversion to the Truth, so I won't waste my time and energy. I was just pointing out that if you really believe these things, you'll stop trying to convince others about it. Those who are confident that something is true don't spend as much energy talking about it as you appear to.

That's all I have to say. Make of it what you will.

You argued and lost.

You know you have nothing to disprove so you resort to claiming what is not true.

If you are sure and confident of yourselves than prove your point.
It's simple.

Ihedinobi3:
Of course the topic was different, but what I said is that you have discussed this before elsewhere. Must it be the same topic for you to discuss it?

I have no interest in debating with you. I already did it once and established that you have a rather unflinching aversion to the Truth, so I won't waste my time and energy. I was just pointing out that if you really believe these things, you'll stop trying to convince others about it. Those who are confident that something is true don't spend as much energy talking about it as you appear to.

That's all I have to say. Make of it what you will.

Show me were I discussed it.

I wrote on immortality with the purpose of proving that man does not possess it inherently.

Then I wrote this on Hell to prove that God's word and teaching on Hell has been misinterpreted, so Mr know all tell me how they are the same?

Kobojunkie:
Well, the word wicked can also apply to those who do not believe at all in Him, so it is vital to make it clear that the wicked, as used by you, refers only to those who believe in Jesus Christ(are saved onto eternal life) but refused to obey Him.

Whichever one anyone who does not make Heaven is wicked in the sight of God, weather they believe in him or not.

Do you know that the Devil also believes in God?
But he is regarded as a murderer a thief, a wicked being and would be destroyed in the lake of fire.


James 2:19, KJV: "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble"

Dtruthspeaker:
The question is awake how? Answer! The Unseen and Unphysical side of man.

The Law is "The flesh Profiteth Nothing, the spirit is Life (the Unsaid Part is and Death Also!)
I Rest please!

You make mountain out of gravel.
God's word is straightforward, you are only complicating it and thereby confusing yourself and others.


Please click and read this is what the spirit if man is.

http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-07.htm


You can ask any question with regards to this topic or link I would be willingly to answer you.

Kobojunkie:
Well, according to Jesus Christ it is also meant for those who believe in Him but refuse to Obey Him.

Those who believe in him but refuse to obey him are also called wicked.
The word wicked is used to distinguish those who please God in all their deeds and those who do not.

Ihedinobi3:
Only that you've discussed this subject at least once before (I think you have discussed it several times, in fact, but I have no time to go through all your topics and posts to find places where you have), so it would seem that you're really trying to convince yourself that you are right about what you believe here. In other words, I think that you have at least a suspicion that you are quite wrong about the things you are saying. But since it is important to you for them to be true, maybe it would be best if you just believed them and stopped bothering to debate them. You will only agitate yourself mor
e and more to no good end.

You are quite funny.

You really need to work on your comprehension, secondly all this topics are different although they might be related but they are all speaking on different things.

This is quite obvious for any one with sense.
On the issue of me been wrong, the onus is on you to prove to us why and how I am wrong.
Until you do that no one will take you serious especially when you cannot comprehend simple articles.

Ihedinobi3:
https://www.nairaland.com/5520177/man-satan-immortality

What is it, about the link you posted?

FirstSon01:
this is the effect of religion
see all these confused peeps above me

I guess you are an Athiest, the most confused and naive people on planet earth.

MaxInDHouse:
So Lazarus and the Rich man was not a true life story but a Parable!
Hmmmmm, well i reserve my comment!

You can show us proof that it was not a parable.
Let me ask you where is Abraham Bosom?

illicit:
There's no hell anywhere bro....

Bro Hell exist, and it was made for the Devil and his Demons with the wicked.

chukwunweikeemi:
There is heaven and there is hell fire.God wants us to make heaven and that's why he sent his son Jesus Christ to die for our sins.When you admit you are a sinner and then you trust on christ's death,burial and resurrection to be the FULL PAYMENT for your sins then God will give you the gift of everlasting life.You can then say you are saved or born again.Pls my friend accept Christ as your savior.You've nothing to loose if you do.If you die in your sins without Christ as your savior then the hell fire you claim does not exist shall be your everlasting abode.

That's true.

But no one is claiming that Hell does not exist.

Dtruthspeaker:
I am exhibiting the junior brother of hell when it comes visiting on earth.

And Correction, it is not hellfire it is Lake of Fire!

And when you say physical surely you do not mean skin and bones cos you know the flesh returneth to Dust?

That's why there will be a resurrection.
Both Hell fire and lake of fire mean the same thing.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Dtruthspeaker:
Simply put hell is the spirit and state of being in the clasps of pain, suffering, torture and evil all at once eg when you fall into the trap of your enemy, you know you have just entered into hell or hell has come upon you whichever is the case.

Or when you have not paid your rent then your landlord calls, whooo "shivering", the cold or hot hands of hell have grabbed your soul!

That's false.
Hellfire will be physical not symbolic or an ideology.

Understanding the truth about Hell fire.

This is a short eassy on the doctrine of Hell fire, its purpose is to reveal the truth of God's word with regards to this subject or doctrine.

First What is Hell?
The word Hell can have several meaning depending on the context in which it is used.
The word translated as Hell is translated from 4 different words with different meaning.

1. Gehanna:it is a Greek word translated as Hell it means a place of burning waste.
It is the popular Hell fire that is known to everyone both Christians and Atheists.
Matthew 5:22,29,30, Luke 12:5,Luke 18:9,Mark 9:43.

2.Sheol: This Hebrew word translated as the Hell it means the grave,it is used 65 times in the Bible. Amos9:2,Job12:16,psalms6:5,Job7:9,
Genesis 43:38.

3.Hades: Is the greek news testament word for Sheol or grave, it is also translated as Hell e.g Acts2:31, Matthew11:23, Rev20:14, Rev6:8.

4.The word Tartarus is greek word translated as hell but its meaning is different from other forms or examples of Hell,it means a place of darkness or restrain. 2Peter 2:4, Jude1:13, Jude1:6,Ephesians 5:11.


Our subject of interest or emphasis will be on Gehanna or Hell fire talked about by Jesus as a place of burning and punishment of the wicked.

1.
Why Hell, and what's its purpose?Ans:To punish the wicked and cleanse the Earth of sin.
The bible says the wages of sin is death Romans6:23, Job31:3, Rev21:8.

2. Hell was created for who?
Hell was prepared for the Devil and his Demons. Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

3.Where is Hell?
Ans is the Earth, Hell fire would be located right here on the Earth surface.
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2Peter 3:10,Isaiah 34:9,Zephaniah 1:18.


4.Are people presently in Gehanna or Hellfire ?

The answer is No, all the dead people are in their graves waiting for the judgement day.

Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

5.What kind of people would be thrown into Hell fire?
Ans:Fornicators,liars,robbers,Idolators,drunkards e.t.c Rev 21:18

6*.When will the fire of Hell be Kindled?
Ans: At the end of the World (day of Judgement)
2peter 3:7

7*.Would the fire of Hell be a literal physical fire or just symbolic ?
Ans: Yes .
The fire of Hell will be literal physical fire, as we all know Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by physical real fire from God and we are told that this World and the wicked will be destroyed in like manner. Genesis19:24 , Genesis19:28, 2Peter 2:6,Jude1:7,Luke 17:29,Rev21:8,Rev 20:15,Rev20:9,Isaiah 47:14.

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


8*.Would the fire last forever?
Ans: No
it would last as long as is required to destroy the wicked.
Isaiah 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

9*. What would happen to the people thrown into the lake of fire.
Ans. They would be tormented and burnt to ashes, meaning that they will die. 2peter 2:6,Malachi4:3, Ezekiel 28:18,Isaiah 66:24,Isaiah 51:6. They would cease to exist Psalm37:20.


10* Would those thrown into Hellfire ever die?
The Ans is Yes, The Bible calls it the second death.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


11*. I thought the Devil is already in Hell ?

Ans is : No,
The Devil is in Tartarus (Hell). although translated as Hell, but it is not the same as Hell fire(Gehanna) but rather it means a place of darkness where they are reserved till the day of judgement.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the TIME?

12*. Is the Devil in charge of Hell?
Ans: No

Rather the Devil will be destroyed in the fire of Hell. Ezekiel 28:14. Isaiah14:1-end.


13*What is cast into Hell? Is it the Spirit, body,Soul of the wicked or living persons of the wicked?
Ans: Living persons which consists of body, spirits(mind,breathe) and Soul(personality).

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

14*How long will be the fire of Hell and how long would each one thrown into the fire live or suffer the pain of Hell fire?
Ans: The fire of Hell will last as long as is sufficient to destroy all the wicked.
Each person will last in the fire according to what there works or rewards demands(Justice demands) Matthew 16:17,Isaiah 47:14.

15*But the Bible uses the word Forever to describe those in Hell fire.
Ans : Yes the word Forever when used in the Bible does not necessarily mean something without end , there are several examples in the Bible were the word 'Forever ' were used in the Bible to describe things that have already ended.
1Samuel 1:22,Exdous21, Isaiah 34:10, Jonah 2:6.

16* What is the meaning of eternal fire or unquenchable fire, does it mean a fire that would never stop?
Ans is No.
It means a fire that cannot be extinguished by any human means or effort. it describes a fire Kindled by God and can only be extinguished by him. but after the fire has destroyed the wicked it will be go off.
There are examples in the bible of things or places destroyed by eternal fire or unquenchable fire that are still not burning presently.
E.g Is Jerusalem,
Isaiah51:6,Isaiah 34:10, Jeremiah 7:20,Jeremiah 17:27,2chronicles 36:19-21.

17*What about the Richman and Lazarus, did they both go to Hell and Heaven respectively immediately after their death?
Ans is No, The story is only a parable used by Jesus to illustrate a point, it should not be taken Literally.
Both the saved and unsaved are in their
graves waiting for the judgement day.
Luke15:4, Luke 15:8, Luke 15:11,Luke16:1

18*Did Jesus go to Hell Fire on our behalf?
Ans is No. Jesus only went to the Sheol or Hades (grave) also translated as Hell.

19*What will happen after Hell fire:Ans God will create a New Heaven and Earth.
death and Hell were cast into fire, the Hell here is referring to the grave since death would no more exist the grave would also cease to exist.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Conclusion.
We have learnt that The word Hell in the Bible, can also mean the grave or a place of darkness and restrain.
Secondly we also learnt that the words eternal, forever and unquenchable when used in the Bible does not mean something that does not end and it should not be taken literally.
From this article we can clearly see and understand better the truth about God's word or teachings on Hell.
This is far from the lies that the Devil have sold to the church that God will burn the wicked for eternity.
God will punish the wicked in the lake of fire, but God would never punish the wicked beyond what is required, for he is a just and loving God Who wish that none will perish but that all would repent and have eternal life through Jesus Christ his son.

Thank you for reading and God bless.

Wasted good looking girl.

BlackfireX:
Tinubu is richer than him

In your dreams.

[quote author=daleehat post=97195448]Slave.... if it were to be a Nigerian Politician will you hail him as such? inferiority complex mentality keeeeeeee



How is this your problem?
Did he lie?

abbey621:
I already told you no need to argue any longer, get your brain checked and you'll be fine! Even by your statistics we can see the danger:

Demographics of the 375:
225 (60%) African American Blacks represents 14% of the population yet 60% of wrongful conviction happened to be blacks? Yet you say the system works perfectly?
117 (31%) Caucasian Caucasians represents about 60% of the population yet only 31% of wrongful conviction, what a wonderful system!
29 (8%) Latinx
2 (1%) Asian American
1 (<1%) Native American
1 (<1%) Self-identified “Other”


Whether you call it racism, whether you call it social justice errors or just plain bias, the fact remains more blacks are wrongfully convicted than any other group, the fact remains a black man is likely to be shot when police is called than a white man. The fact reamains, racism exists and to deny this is to deny your very own existence!

Latter you will claim blacks are in jail becos of racism.

Here this idiot should have been locked up for years that would have saved this 26yrs ladies life.


https://vdare.com/posts/her-name-is-caitlyn-kaufman-white-nurse-shot-to-death-by-black-career-criminal-in-nashville-tn

RomanGreen:
Please shut up, laying curses coz of stolen pure water is to me witchcraft....e pass wickedness set, if he truly is following in the foot steps of Jesus then hr has failed, listen....all these private universities are glorified secondary schools.... Even Fr Ede you referenced his Catholic school isn't left out ...these men feel like demigods....well, I'd rather have my children attend public schools...morality isn't taught in school.... Rather at home....a university is a place of study.... Not a ground for strict religious indoctrination. Unfortunately the G Os have refused to accept that

I Concur 100%

So sad.

RIP

abbey621:
Poor child, you honestly believe blacks commit more crimes....Blacks are locked up more because they are heavily policed and can't afford a good lawyer! If you want to talk about overall crime then you must include mass shootings, embezzlement, bribery, incest, meth and other drugs. You must include insider trading and tax evasion. When you add all these, ONLY A FOOL LIKE YOU WOULD BELIEVE BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES


Damn kid, you are so out of touch with reality, ask yourselves who dominates the mafias, the MS-13 gangs? Is it blacks? Who shot up schools, movie theaters and churches? Was it blacks? How about 18th street gangs, YOU KNOW THE LARGEST GANG IN THE USA? Oponu like you believe you're an expert just by looking for few articles on Google, your IQ is so low it is an insult to me to continue this discourse so DON'T BOTHER REPLYING....I'M DONE WITH YA....ARGUE WITH YOUR PHONE!

Clown living in fantasy land.

MS-13 is made up of Latinos not White Americans.

Of course liberal media will call them whites when they commit crime but Hispanics or minorities when they are receiving affirmative gains.

I deal with facts and evidence and both prove that blacks commit more crime than any other race in the World.
It's sad but the truth.

Those links I gave you clearly spelt out this facts.

I keep responding to each of your incoherent lies with facts and evidence but you have not shown me one single proof.

In US blacks kill blacks for things as little as wrong look.
All the whites groups you mentioned, none of them can match the black crime and homicide rate.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=93508

You are clown and you know it.