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[quote author=hahn post=50243401]"Why do you keep disturbing us and our beliefs?"

That is what Christians and Muslims, Christians more though, always say whenever I challenge their "beliefs".

As an atheist, it might make perfect sense why religion is bad but also theists can also justify why they feel their religion is the best.

So, just have to this on record, I will go ahead to list exactly why I feel religion is bad for us as a nation and why it should be dumped in the trash can.

1) Religious people impose their beliefs on others: And they do that with threats . "Believe in my god or you will go to hell. Believe in my god so you can become successful." What exactly gives anyone the right to go around threatening people with eternal damnation and feel it is right really baffles me. Unfortunately, we will live in a country where people do exactly that. Imagine if your parents tell you, "respect me or I will burn you up", or if as a woman a guy approaches you and says, "baby, I like you and I will like to date you. If you don't I will kill you and burn you up".

This is a message of blackmail and not love. And these same people will cry "persecution" when you tell them to prove their claim

Christians happily "evangelize" to people in the hospital saying "accept Jesus Christ so you do not suffer for eternity in the afterlife" but I wonder how they would feel if I, as an atheist, was to go around telling Christians about to die in hospital beds that, "remember everything your pastor told you? It is all bullshit and they have been exploiting you all your life"

2) Religion divides us: It is not enough that, as Africans, we are divided into thousands of tribal groups and villages but we now have to add the religious divide to it. Christians have over 30,000 denominations and Muslims are also divided into Sunnis and Shiites. The recent killings of Muslims going on in the North is as a result of this division and is proof of what I mean.

As a nation, we will never be able to unite and stand as a voice or for any cause based on this reason. Whenever there is a political campaign, our politicians happily bring up religion to fool the people. The Christian/Muslim or Muslim/Christian proposal tag team is way more important to Nigerians than the credibility, integrity, the vision and potential of the candidates and merit is word that is alien to us.

Even when you want to get a job, your religious beliefs, in some cases, determines if you will get it or not. Are you Mulsim or Christian? What church do you attend? What parish do you attend? These questions are way more important than, "can you execute the job efficiently?" in some cases.

3) It appeals to our meanness and our selfishness: So, you happen to be in a bus with 24 passengers and you get in an accident and everyone else dies but you survive. After treatment, you head to church to give a "testimony" on how your god protected you and everyone sings "praise the lord". No one cares about the people that have died. Some people will even brag that "my god is a living god". So, even despite the fact that god allegedly created all of us, we are happy that it seems to favor some of us over other.

Lots of theists will happily tell you that as a non-believer you will go to hell and burn in eternity. The concept of hell is quite broad as not only will "unbelievers" go to hell but other people who do not believe in your particular version of god will also go to hell. In fact, over 80% of Christians and Muslims will go to hell because the guidelines to even qualify for heaven are not only ridiculous but also quite impossible to attain. Read your holy book properly to understand this.

The idea of an all-loving entity comfortable with burning humans for eternity is not bad enough, it is savage, cruel and condescending that, as humans, we love the idea and are actually looking forward to the day we will say "told you so!" and laugh while we watch billions of people burn in hell as we sing boring hymns for eternity.

4) Their claims are unverifiable and contradictory: Christians say that Jesus is the way while Muslims say Allah is the way. Aside from the fact that they cannot prove that either of these gods even exists, isn't it ridiculous that we have a Muslim president and a Christian vice president? Is no one concerned that one of them will burn in hell forever?

I am derailing.

None of the characters in the bible existed outside of the bible. They are all fairytales. Jesus, Solomon, David, heaven, hell etc never existed and there are no tangible evidence for their existences.

Islam is not better. So, god appeared to Mohammed the illiterate war lord and serial pedophile and decided to place all of humanity's faith on the message delivered in Arabic. And the angel Gabriel also speaks Arabic is utter bs. None of these things are verifiable.

We are all required to "believe". Seriously, if someone told you to believe that there is a house somewhere and asks you to pay for it without seeing it and just believe you now have a house, won't you punch the person in the face for taking you for a mugu? But for our religious folks, the promise of an afterlife that has never been proven to exist is a cool ideology to believe in.

As regards contradictions, I will leave you to read your holy book for once to figure that out for yourself.

5) It makes us unpatriotic: Christians happily declare themselves to be children of Israel and Muslims will claim that Mecca is the holy land. Apparently, none of these people feel that Nigeria is even worth it and still complain when the immigration in other countries disrespect us when they see our pa



Clown. your ingnorance is beyond comprehension.
You write in English and use the internet all products of christain civilization and you still.have the mouth to post this trash.

OLAADEGBU:
Show me one OT saint before Moses that kept the Sabbath day.

All of them kept it. God said about Abraham that he kept his laws and Satutes.

www.nairaland.com/3038010/ten-commandements-preceded-moses

OLAADEGBU:
The apostles only instructed the Gentile believers to abstain from fornication, things strangled, blood and idols. Where did they say that they should keep the Sabbath day?

The Sabbath was not an issue then. people observed the Sabbath willingly. paul emphasis then was on Circumcision. paul told them that what God required now was the circumsion of their Hearts and not the physical one.

AgentOfAllah:
Ever heard of nuclear fusion/fission? But what does a clown like me know, eh? Hydrogen bombs don't exist, they are just a figment of man's wildest imaginings.

Who am I to question your Atheismology credentials? After all, I'm just a miserable AgentOfAllah, whereas you are the Agent of all agents, sir Blue!

I quiver, then tremble and then prostrate in worship to your Agentliness Blueness sir! Save me from this pestilential naivete that plagues my understanding of the world and even my atheism!

Am not here to claim been Superior or more intelligent but to point out lies that the whole world is been mislead to believe.
Nuclear fission and Fussion still require an intial element which will split or fuse to form a new element. something most come from pre-existing something.

Scholar8200:
Why was this missing from the Apostle's letter to the gentiles in Acts 15?

Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 15 24-29


It will be wrong to claim without proof that the addressee were already keeping the sabbath when this was written.


What of Job? All he did were recounted but nothing was said about his observing the sabbath. Neither Abraham nor Enoch not forgetting Noah!

Do you know that the ten commandements existed before the time of Abraham?

OLAADEGBU:
Sabbath in the Bible means rest. God set the pattern for mankind to rest after working for 6 days. This is why we still have the 7 week day since creation. This was made for man to rest and remember our Creator and worship our redeemer. The word Sabbath doesn't mean Saturday, Sunday or even the Seventh day, it only means rest. It means if you work for 6 days take a kit kat on the 7th before you break down, and while you are resting remember your Creator and redeemer and worship Him. There are nations where you Saturday and Sunday are working days are you saying that Christians should not work on those days? or that they should not live in those countries? Let us not be legalistic, this attitude is what Jesus came to correct when the Pharisees made rules for folks not to do any work on Sabbath days but they would definitely not allow their sheep that fell into a ditch on such days to die without rescuing them. The Sabbath was made for man's benefit and not for man to be enslaved to the Sabbath's rules (Mark 2:27).



Love is one of the fruit of the Spirit after we have believed the finished work of Christ on the Cross.

Read Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:13-18; Matthew 22:37-40; 7:12



I reiterate my point by quoting the excerpt below:

Do you know that it was God himself who setup this our weekly Calender? look at Genesis

OLAADEGBU:
The apostles only instructed the Gentile believers to abstain from fornication, things strangled, blood and idols. Where did they say that they should keep the Sabbath day?

Stop confusing yourself. Paul Defined Sin as the breaking of Gods commandement.James said anyone who observes 9 of the commandements and breaks one is guilty of breaking all. thus this look like commandment that was done away with?

OLAADEGBU:
Is that not what you are doing when you insist that believers must keep the Sabbath laws?

Is keeping the commandments of God legalism?
Ask yourself what is Sin?

AgentOfAllah:
Awww...You're so cute! Your exposure to science is fossilised in the 19th century! Here: Let me update you with what's happened since the time you've been frozen.
1) You may have heard of some guy called Albert Einstein. Yes? No?? Anyway, he discovered in the early 20th century that there is an equivalency between matter and energy. In pop culture, this equivalency is expressed as E=mc². This equivalency means matter can in fact be created and destroyed. What cannot be created or destroyed however, is Energy.
2) So we modified that statement accordingly, as "Energy matter can neither be created nor destroyed; but (and this is the crucial bit) it can be transformed from one form to another" This is known as the law of conservation of energy. Matter, my friend, is just energy with a rest mass!

They didn't happen from "nowhere", they happened due to a chain of physical processes, starting from gravity to nuclear fusion, all the way to supernova nucleosynthesis and exo/endo-thermic reactions. Name them.

Not quite! I'm certain there are many atheists who don't give a ratsass about science.

You're wrong...atheists use weed and hallucinogens to "advocate {and amplify} their illusions", not science. Sadly, science mostly plays the party pooper by bringing them back to reality.

You see you know nothing about Science which you claim. the law of matter has nothing to do with Albert Enistens law. rather it shows us that nothing new can be created entirely but only from existing materials.
Oxygen can only be made from Air, Water, Iron from iron ores. scientists have been unable to make anything new from something not existing. quit been a clown.

Weather you accept it or not Atheist use Science as their yardstick to prove if their is God or not.

You are too Naive to understand the world around U .and that includes even your Atheism.

1990news:
Put a cooked rice inside a plate, and cover it with another plate for 1week or 2weeks, the rice would decay and automatically create a living thing. God didnt do that. Supernatural powers didnt do that. The earth and everything inside it, originates like this.

Ok ok ok, my theories and illustrations though... Seun , agentofallah , cloudgoddess come and see my new discovery.

HaHAHaHaHa!!!!!!!gosh which interior village did you run out from? pls this is not an insult.
Lol... cook a rice blah blah........
If i should ask you who created your rice in the first place? something cannot comeout of nothing.

ValentineMary:
As an atheist, now that I look back at my christian life, I have no regrets. They were all good experience

Wakeup.

samsam2019:
those things you enjoy today were invented by atheists. So yes, they have solved more problems than your God

thats the biggest lie i have heard in years.they only invented fantasy.Lol...

raphieMontella:
no!
I quoted you when you said/asked when atheist was invented or something similar...

water is in abundance in space..
Whats the fuss?

look Scientist and christains believe that the Universe had a beginging. now lets assume the Universe is like a stone at rest , no thought,Live,matter, e.t.c tell me how oxygen,life,Humans will just comeup considering the fact that no stone at rest can move itself ,how much more to Evolue into all the things in the Universe. do you Athiests even think for one day about how impossible and illusional your beliefs are?

AgentOfAllah:
Water originates from dead stars. Most stars, during their life time, manufacture the elements on the periodic table, from Hydrogen (H) to Iron (Fe), so it is fair to say old stars have the basic ingredients required to manufacture water (H₂O). Certain stars however, when they die, they do so in a spectacular burst of energy large enough to offset the energetic requirements for the spontaneous formation of many of the compounds and molecules we consider naturally occurring today. Water is one of those molecules. Hydrogen, Helium and Oxygen are three of the most abundant elements in the universe, by mass. That makes water - which happens to be one of the lowest energy configurations of Hydrogen and Oxygen - automatically abundant in the universe too.

As a side note, atheists don't claim to "know much science". Atheists claim to lack belief in a deity. The lack of belief in a deity doesn't qualify one as a scientist. You actually have to study science to know science...and as you can imagine, this endeavour is independent iof one's personal beliefs (or lack thereof).

You just murdered Science. what happened to Law of Science that states matter can neither be created or destoryed? so your stars and water,Hydrogen all just appeared from no where?
Athiests use Science to prove that the Universe came into existence without a God.

Atheism cannot exist without using Science to advocate their illusion.

1990news:
blind man. Why not use your head rather than your thumbs.

Clown . is that your answer. Typical Atheists always running away from facts

samsam2019:
you're mad. As iin really really sick upstairs.


If you're not mentally deranged you would have asked yourself why your country is sh1t despite having more churches than any country worldwide



If you're not mentally challenged you would have asked yourself what your God is doing while boko haram bombs his church and members



If you're not a halfwit imb£cile you would ask yourself why all your miracle pastors disappearedwheb Ebola was around

I guess Athiests solved all this problems you mentioned.

felixomor:
Hahaha, u no evolve again?
Idiota!

The clown, they deny in Ancestors(Ape)

felixomor:
See somebody whose brain evolved from fish brain and ape matter advising me to have sense.

I dodge am

Lol......Brother to an Ape is insulting high cheif Felixmor God forbid.

taurus25:
who is science and when did it make this claim?

You Atheists make such claim.

1990news:
No, you practically misunderstood me. Magic in my view, is the excess exposure of man to self control of his world, using his innermost mind, void of religious beliefs. The mind itself is magical. Supernatural powers dont exist.

You sound naive. does magic obey the laws of Science?

raphieMontella:
do you even understand what you just typed?

Same excuse. i said give me the origin of water and he is asking me to go and think.

Is that the answer to the question? simple origin of water. You Atheists claim to known much science , yet cannot give me answers.

taurus25:
Atheism and science are not the same

Lie.

taurus25:
lol..... re read what wrote up there. If i may ask, where do get your info from?

Wats wrong with wat i said? i asked you a question. if Science is inferior to nature ,why does it claim to know more than Nature?

Buharimustdie20:
Science is not all knowing, and who told you that there is no cure for HIV, if it is made accessible to the public, big pharmaceutical companies will lose billions of dollars from anti-retroviral drugs and codon will almost become useless,cancer is cured by healthy eating, haven't you heard of weather modification(am not so sure of this sha), and lastly death is a necessity, if older generations don't die off,where will the younger ones live(over population atuo down), so here you go,science saves the day once more

All this are mere Assumptions not facts.

taurus25:
I wonder where you get the idea that science is superior or tries to be superior to nature?. Science is simply a testable method to understand how nature works in order to explain and make predictions about the universe. What exactly is your point here??.


This can only come from a strong religious mindset. Who ever said science is all knowing??. Science accepts being ignorant,
and the only way we can provide answers to your above questions here is through rigorous studies and experiments.

How can Science be inferior to nature when it claims to know more than nature?

taurus25:
I wonder where you get the idea that science is superior or tries to be superior to nature?. Science is simply a testable method to understand how nature works in order to explain and make predictions about the universe. What exactly is your point here??.


This can only come from a strong religious mindset. Who ever said science is all knowing??. Science accepts being ignorant, and the only way we can provide answers to your above questions here is through rigorous studies and experiments.

If Science is ingnorant as you say. while do Atheists claim there is no God. becos he cannot be scientifically proven?

They say a picture says more than a thousand words.
The Elites are know to send messages in coded form that could only be understood by other intiates .i just decoded this one few months ago.

I posted this article a couple of months back it is amazing how this predictions are falling into place.

My personal predictions for the remaining part of the year 2016.
1.Election of the first female president of US
(Hiliary Clinton).
2.Out break of Riots and racial tension in the US
and in different parts of the World.
3. Controversy over US presidential Election
Results.
4. Outbreak of new dieseases and breakthrough
in the search for cure of Aids,Cancer and Ebola.
5.mass killings by different groups globally.
6. World Economic crises and stock market
plunge.
7. lots of plane crash.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_in_2016

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/02/HIV-cure-possible-after-disease-becomes-undetectable-in-blood-of-British-man/

Edenoscar:
BULLSH!T

What is Bullshit? i know you donot have any knowledge of Science if not you will understand .
Science is just a proffession like any other discipline it is limited and subjected to the laws of Nature.
So Science can never be higher than Nature.

If Your Science is all knowning what has stopped it from explaining the origin of the smallest atom. or finding cure for HIV,Cancer, or stop Earthquakes,Hurricane,Tusnami, or secret to conquer death?

1990news:
Do what i instructed you to do for 1week, your answer would reveal itself to you.

You are looking for cheap Excuse not to answer my question. typical Athiests.
Do you know the origin of Atheism?

Edenoscar:
you know this how?

Through his word.

1990news:
Do what i instructed you to do for 1week, your answer would reveal itself to you.

You are looking for cheap Excuse not to answer my question. typical Athiests.
Do you know the origin of Atheism?