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Ranchhoddas:
This is very untrue. Africa would have developed at it's own pace. All races were primitive at one point in history. They all developed with time and without interference. China has developed and is developing without western colonization. It is serious inferiority complex that will make anyone think otherwise. It is argued that the coming of the Europeans has set Africa back centuries. I recommend that you get a copy of the book 'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa' by Walter Rodney.

You quote a useless book written by a foolish Liberal. you should read


HOW AFRICANS UNDERDEVELOPED
AFRICA: A REVIEW by Dr. Otive Igbuzor

https://joshuaagbo./2012/10/11/how-africans-underdeveloped-africa-a-review-by-dr-otive-igbuzor/

jantavanta:
No, I will not go after Mozart and Einstein. I am not out to prove that every single notable person in European history is Black.
But if we rely on all paintings at face value, we are going be deceived because a lot of them have been repainted to represent White People, and where they are left as Black People, they are re-labelled "Slave from Africa" or "Negress". In the Museums of Europe, there is a lot that is hidden in the archives, that can cause disaffection to the general [White] public.

The astonishing outcome of my investigation into Europe is that Europe was no different from all other parts of the world with respect to having an ancient indigenous Black Population that migrated out of Africa.

Clown, quite been funny. did blacks also inhabit Asia and China?

jantavanta:
No, I will not go after Mozart and Einstein. I am not out to prove that every single notable person in European history is Black.
But if we rely on all paintings at face value, we are going be deceived because a lot of them have been repainted to represent White People, and where they are left as Black People, they are re-labelled "Slave from Africa" or "Negress". In the Museums of Europe, there is a lot that is hidden in the archives, that can cause disaffection to the general [White] public.

The astonishing outcome of my investigation into Europe is that Europe was no different from all other parts of the world with respect to having an ancient indigenous Black Population that migrated out of Africa.

Clown, quite been funny. did blacks also inhabit Asia and China.

JackBizzle:
I think you need to broaden your horizon.

Slavery and Christianity are not good things for Africans.

Christainity did not introduce Slavery to Africa.
Slavery have existed in Africa for over 600yrs before the Whites and Christainity came to Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Ranchhoddas:
I'd have responded but on seeing your moniker, sorry I'll pass.

I laugh. which means i cause U a lot of upset sorry it was not intention. but you know the truth always hurts.

SalomonKane:
Already did. I checked it. All I saw is just an archaic practice based on a believe system like christianity and Islam.

Since it's known that it's archaic, I believe it should be abolished. But I still don't know how this affects my earlier position.

I gave three examples, you gave one. Something that is only practised in just one African country.

So why should we continue to practice a religion that has continue to cause untold hardship and suffering in Nigeria, that's my question to you?

Lie, the Entire African Continent. i don't have time to google them. but you can google about fetish African traditions and culture.

How did Christainity cause hardship?

jantavanta:
The greatest discoveries always look mad at first sight.
How many scientists believed it would be possible to travel faster than sound?
Who believed that controlled explosions would be the basis for automobile engines

The Ethiopian Empire of 650 BC spread into Europe and introduced castle-building.
The word Knight originated from being black as night. That is the secret no one will tell you.

Here are European names which were originally names of Black people:

From Moor: Maur ice, Mor ien, Moor e, Maur een
From Char: to be char red: Char les, Char lemagne, Char lotte

Find attached the 3 Brothers Thaler showing three of the children of Christian I of Saxony (Dresden, 29 October 1560 – Dresden, 25 September 1591) was Elector of Saxony from 1586 to 1591. His sons shown in the coin are Christian II (successor of his father as Elector), Johan Georg I(successor of his brother as Elector) and Augustus (no title)

I laugh at this dude.quite confused.

Ranchhoddas:
And I insist that this is crap. Those ''uncivilized'' places you speak of, is their way of life today the same as 300 years ago? Was has changed? The civilization would have been very slow but it would have surely happened. There is no archaic practice you can point to in ''uncivilized'' Africa that was not practiced at one point or the other in the histories of these advanced civilizations. They dropped them, Africans also would have dropped theirs. The only requirement was time. It was Nietzsche who said that he who learns to fly must first learn to stand and walk, and run and climb . Africans were rushed into flying.

Go and google about uncontacted people.
or click this link and read about Malawi were Widows are bound to sleep with Strangers inorder to please their late Husbands ghost in this 2016. and many more examples even here in Nigeria.


www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36843769

jantavanta:
The true racial composition of Europe has been presented to us as a White continent so that we do not know
that Africans were the rulers of Europe and it was through inter-marriage that White people penetrated the
Black aristocracy until the 1841 when the aristocracy became whitened and decided to partition and colonize Africa.

It is time to re-examine all the images we have been shown in our textbooks and claim our heritage which included
Europe. In ancient times, Europe was practically Northern Africa, because military and scientific knowledge was
controlled by Africans called Moors (pre-Christian and later Christian and Muslim)
It was Africans who introduced Christianity into Europe and converted the arriving white Europeans to a Black Mary
and a Black Jesus.

The racial composition of the ancient world was very different when religious books were written
so we need to re-evaluate the images that we daily associate with the persons in these books.

Culture is the most powerful weapon holding down the big continent of Africa, because we have been deceived
about our History in the Faculty of Arts of tertiary institutions that were established by Europeans
to reinforce propaganda about the assumed Euro-Arab superiority over Black People.

Our development begins in our minds and will manifest in our ability to produce our needs, from toothpicks to petrol.


Here are useful hyper-links:


When Saxony was Black and England had Black Royal Families http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-73..EnglandsFirstRoyalFamilyWasBlack.html
African featured nobility of Early Europe http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-51.html
Kings of England and When Africans had straight hair http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-65a.html
Africans of Ancient Germany http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-90.html
Ferdinand and Isabelle, the Catholics http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-40-NW-cas-88-000-20-10-00..Ferdinand-II.and.Isabel.of.Castile.jpg

This is Rubbish. typical of Black IQ.

Ranchhoddas:
Anyone who disagrees with you on an issue is an atheist. I can see how high your IQ is.

By their works you shall know them .

Tellemall:
Drop your superiority complex. You are the direct result of the hard work which white people put into colonizing Africa with religion and military might. Bow to reality.

No wonder India is little different from Nigeria. You see what happens to places that reject westernization? They still always come back to trying to mimic the Western world with their fake products and hilarious things like pedal powered carts in the year 2016.

Oh, get over your hate for religion. Did you know the Romans who invented aqueducts were religious people? Who invented algebra? Wasn't it religious people? Was al-Qwarizmi a local black African? Your beloved Pythagoras theorem wasn't made on stone. If not for the education of religious people, your world would be in the stone age with the rest of uncivilized Africa. Religion has always shaped the mental strength of man needed for development.

China has gotten far from mimicking western products. Not by some invention of their own. Because left to themselves they don't have anything to offer the world except killing all the whales. If not for westernization and the discovery of Western oil, they would still be uncivilized and whetting their appetite on rare species.

So just stop your hate for westernization and religion. The world would be backwards without it. You wouldn't be typing all that without it. And you are better for it.

It is so hypocritical that you don't really think through what you're saying against them. You are hypocritical because you live a Western life and try to claim you could have it all without whites, religion and colonization. You couldn't. They did Africa and blacks a huge service.

So quit being thoughtless and spouting garb such as "inferiority complex and ignorance" because you Africans with superiority complexes are just stupid.

If Africans are so superior, why have they proven to be so backward that they needed white people to cross oceans and colonize them? These same black people that couldn't build a bridge to cross streams.

Africans like you need more colonization. You need enslavement to move you to the promised land. Right now you're in mental bondage, slave to the viva Africa spirit, when you're living the viva West life.

God bless your Lineage.

Blacks are held down by their low IQ and Selfishness not religeon especially Christainity.

raphieMontella:
the bolded...please prove it..

Last time i checked US still had over 78% religeous. by 1965 they had over 80%.
Internet was invented by Christains in a christain nation. by the way are there countries with @least 25% Apetheists.

www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html

raphieMontella:
you mean the internet is a product of christians?
Can you please prove this?

Last time i checked US still had over 78% religeous. by 1965 they had over 80%.
Internet was invented by Christains in a christain nation. by the way are there countries with @least 25% Apetheists.

www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html

Ranchhoddas:
Na wa for you. Is that what I asked you? Where do Christians go for pilgrimage?

You asked me if, they were as religious like Nigeria and i asked you to fellow the pilgrimage.if those places i mentioned were not religeous they would not be hosting pilgrims

I thought you Atheists had High IQ to understand diff. concepts of communications?

SalomonKane:
Really? Care to sight a few example?

click the link i gave you. read and understand.

AgentOfAllah:
, Okay o so can you describe the lie that happens when an electron recombines with a positron?

Did the Scientists create the Electron or energy required ?

Ranchhoddas:
As religious as Nigerians??

Ask yourselves were muslims go for pilgrimage. and were the Vatican is located.

hopefulLandlord:
maybe the bible didn't say that which is your own interpretation of it
but simply listen to early morning preachers
"where would you spend your eternity"
"vanity upon vanities"
"hell and heaven is real"
"come to Jesus today"
"there would be no sickness in heaven"
"no wars"
"eternal happiness and bliss"

Clown, The Bible promotes or encourages people to work hard and be creative.
Proverbs 13:4 - The soul of the sluggard desireth, and [hath] nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat. Colossians 3:23 - And whatsoever ye do, do [it] heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; 2 Thessalonians 3:10 - For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. Proverbs 10:4 - He becometh poor that dealeth [with] a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich. Proverbs 18:9 - He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster. 1 Timothy 5:8 - But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. Proverbs 21:25 - The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour. Proverbs 20:4 - The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; [therefore] shall he beg in harvest, and [have] nothing. Proverbs 24:30-34 - I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding; (Read More...) Proverbs 20:13 - Love not sleep, lest thou come to poverty; open thine eyes, [and] thou shalt be satisfied with bread. Proverbs 19:15 - Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger. John 5:17 - But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Proverbs 6:6 - Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Proverbs 12:24 - The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.

felixomor:
In addition, the oil rich gulf countries are super wealthy and they are also highly religious.

I wonder. the funny thing is that if Nigerians sincerly pratice Christainity, Nigeria will be very Successful.

plaetton:
I have asked myself many many times why I loathe religion, the Abrahamic religions so much. I ask myself this question quite often because the last thing I want to become is bigot, to be the very thing that I loathe so much.
And it comes to this.
In the course of my life, I have interacted with people from many many different nationalities, in school, at work, in business, and in social settings, with different cultures and religious worldviews.

A popular belief among Caucasians and Asians are that Blacks have lower cranial dexterity. As a black person, we do all we can to dispel this idea that we are not as smart as everyone else.

However, our affinity for fables, superstition and stone age nonsense is a monumental embarrassment to those who work hard to show that Blacks have as much cranial dexterity as everyone other race.

The other day at an event, I overheard two gentlemen talking seriously about a conference. I crashed in on the conversation, curious to know whether they talking about an economic conference, business conference or whatever was of interest.
They were talking about a Bible conference. Imagine the disappointment in my face. It was like cold water was poured on my curiosity and excitement.

There, I began to ask myself again, why does religion, middle East religion of 2000yrs ago, occupy sooooo much of the African mind ?

The truth is that I have never in my life experiences, walked in on non-Africans( Nigerians) having a serious discussion about religion, the Bible, God etc. These issues only come up when , out of curiosity, I introduce the topic.

What is the allure of " the supernatural" and hand-me-down tokumbo religions to Africans ?

In a typical social setting, try to gather some Nigerians to discuss, for good example , the international space station, or the discovery of new planets and stars. You would likely receive scoffs, mockery of the " white man's" attempt to usurp god.

I try seriously to understand the psychology of religion, as it relates to the African mind.

Is it our poor educational standards?

Is it a deliberately planted TROJAN HORSE by the cunning Europeans ?

Is it just an accident of history that religious superstitions just happened to be a convenient and timely SUBSTITUTE for our own discredited cultural superstitions?

Or,
Is it actually true that Blacks are mentally lazy, and hardwired for simple superstitions that do not involve the rigors of empirical investigations ?

Religion, for me, tends to confirm the stereotype that Africans are mentally lazy, hence the deep attachments , and serious pre-occupation with silly beliefs that add ZERO values to our lives, our SOCIETIES, our future.

This why I see people like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyaks and the many many hordes of them as purveyors of WEAPONS OF MIND DESTRUCTION ( WMD).

The Question is all the Nigerian Ahiests what have they done for Nigeria?
Last time i checked most Nigerian owned companies and business were founded and owned by religeous people. Dangote,Globacom,Banks in Nigeria,Capital oil,BUA, Ibeto,Genesis fastfoods,Visa phone , and so on. the list is endless .if religeon did not stop this ones. then Athiest check yourselves you are your own failure not Christains.

seankay:
This should be on FP. It's eye and mind opening

Not every open eye can see and not every Sound mind can reason.thats Obvious.

Ranchhoddas:
Yes. Their religiousity is as a result of their poverty. A good healthcare system will make citizens less likely to pray for healing, a working economy would make them less likely to pray for visa abroad, jobs, contracts etc. An efficient educational system would make students less likely to pray for good grades. Comprende?

Lie. Italians have high living standard same with Qatar,Saudi,Kuwait,US,Europe but they are still religeous.

Sammy07:
I know there will be world war 3 and religious will likely cause the main reason

Sure as planned by Atheists(Satanists) who invented Communislim and Atheism to decieve and enslave gulliable people like U.

plaetton:
Most religious people, Abrahamic religions, think that scientific curiosity and exploration, robs their God of his mystery and majesty.
The more we demystify the universe, the less the need for superstitions and myths to fill in the gaps.

Therefore, my friend's reaction was just probably a programmed knee-jerk reaction.

I see that type of reaction all the time.

And still yet virtually all of the world inventions and scientific acheivements where done by Christains?

Get sense. i have added a link already for you.
get sense apps.

www.getandinstallsense.com

kilo4sure:
Why would l abandon my present health if l'm sure to be healthy in 20 years time? I don't get you. Anyway, what more can l say? just wanted to correct the impression that the bible promises mansions in heaven simply as a means to escape the world, there are great works to be done in order to attain such mansions. Go find out what those works are.

Do you expect someone with this Obvious low IQ to comprehend that?

EyeHateGod:
This Kind Golden thread can Never make Fp But if na Snake and the other Nonsense

Thumbs up hahn Nice Thread You get Here!
As For Me i don't Have a problem with people practicing Their Religion, But what i need is My Freedom from Religion! I was sleeping the other day B4 u Know Speakers all for corners the location was far but it still affects me i couldn't sleep throughout that Night. It seams that Yahweh Ear Don deff oh that his Followers will have to use Speaker b4 They Can communicate with Him. i just need my Freedom From religion shikena

Naive.

hopefulLandlord:
hmmm

I agree to a large extent with the above

but we have to see that there's a verse being "misinterpreted" according to you but "well interpreted" according to someone else, this is further buttressed by so many denominations of Christianity, each claiming their own interpretation is right

who therefore is actually right?

who is interpreting "vanity upon vanities" the right way?

promise of heaven simply makes many Nigerians lazy about the here and now, that's simply a fact

seriously speaking, if I'm sure that I'll hit £1B lottery in 20 year's time, how do you think I'll put efforts in the here and now? I'll probably just do enough to survive till then, not try to better my life in the now financially since there would be no such thing as financial handicap in my life in 2 decades time,

would you see me saving? building houses? etc

why would I do that when there's a £1B waiting for me in 20 years time?


that is how the concept of afterlife affects the now of the average Nigerian Abrahamic god adherents; just talk to them for a few minutes and they'll quickly spill it to you indirectly

Stop sounding like a kid. if Nigerians were obessed about Heaven there will not be corruption or killing. becos nothing unclean will enter their. Nigerians are mentally lazy. our problem is our IQ not religeon.

Let me ask this dudes prior to the advent of christainity in Nigeria. what legacy and mutinational companies did Nigeria create?

If we have made any progress at all it was after the introduction of Christainity.

www.nairaland.com/3375036/christanity-blessing-africa

SalomonKane:
I agree with all the points sited. Why do I agree? Simple, we've seen the disastrous things christians and moslems do in this country.

Lemme point you to a few:

1. The little girl who was kidnapped and married off even though she's just 14.

2. The killing and maiming of moslems by their fellow moslems.

3. The hijab brouhaha that happened in Osun state, where a group drug addicts believe their religion is superior to the law of the state. Etc.

It's no news that nothing divides a people more than religion. The sooner we throw it out and alienate it from everything that has to do with state, the better it will be for us all.

All this existed in Africa and this entity called Nigeria before Christainity came to Africa.
Stop blaming Africa's failure on Christainity.

www.nairaland.com/3375036/christanity-blessing-africa

ValentineMary:
Today is another Sunday and I just can't ignore the noise arround me in the name of service..Upon all our religions, we are still a very corrupt nation. The funny part is that if we decide to be irreligious, Nigerians would complain and cry that u would go to hell. If u decide not to be corrupt, they would tag u naive and tell u how much u would suffer in future.Someone pls help the stupidity of my people is alarming.

If u are corrupt but irreligious, u would be labeled devil's agent.If u are religious but not corrupt, u are naive and "JJC"If u are both corrupt and religious u would be given front row in the church.If u are neither corrupt nor religious u would not be allowed into the church and would still be labeled devil's agent..How then can we grow sane kids?

Is Okija Shrine and other corruption issues in Nigeria also Abrahamic religeon?

TSOM:
You're as contemporary as a two-hundred-year-old disused fishing boat - still functional but not in keeping with the times.

Prince Charming was created based on the European standard of beauty which evolved into the world's standard of beauty.
Just like Sleeping Beauty is a slim, blue-eyed blonde. Being blonde and blue-eye was the standard for both sexes but it is now ONLY for women because you encourage it.

Don't forget, the standard was long, straight blonde hair.


Now it's ridiculous for a man to wear his hair long. Blonde men do not get that much patting on the back as they used to.


Every male celeb or normal man now shows off his haircut - haircut which are reminiscent of the average African man's choices.

You enjoy playing the downtrodden.

Who said low cut hair for men was a black thing?I laugh at u ,blacks are always looking for ways to be relevant.

ValentineMary:
Well said Hahn. The religious folly we display is sickening. I don't have problem with people practicing religion but when it makes people do dumb things, then it is eitheru stop being dumb or stop being religious.

See what makes people dumb.

www.nairaland.com/3375036/christanity-blessing-africa

You know a fool by their Works.