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Olowunl01:
Bros I understand you wella... But I still maintain no parent will knowingly send their children to where they would be harmed, they must have considered all the factors nah, especially the seemingly obvious ones.

Kids of my generations where deported to Nigeria by our parents; now we are parents I still remember parents in my circle repeating the same thing uptill last decade, and I guess some are still even now still sending their foreign born kids back to Nigeria to study and receive sense.. abeg how is that any different?

Baba u are comparing apples to agbalumo here. You are comparing a parent sending his child from the UK/USA to Nigeria to have Nigerian formative Education to a parent sending his child to study in a nation that has been at war for over 50 years ?

Do u know what war does to people psychologically ? Do u some of the people behind the current unrest in Sudan are people who were born during the war, grew up through the war and are now themselves key players in the whole instability in the country ? Do u what war has done to their psyche ?

Goodluck to those that will still send their children to Sudan to Study when this current imbroglio is sorted and then hoping another won’t come up in the nearest future

GloriousGbola:
The fine art of British understatement

I sensed it was some British dark humor

Ibime:
Some medical students went from UK to study in Sudan, then went from Sudan to serve as medics for ISIS. So their Medical degree is OK, for UK guys to go there

What is this ?

Ibime:
I think we should take him literally - banana doesn't grow in that Republic due to desert conditions

DeadPresidents:
Don’t you see Mo Salah? Their kids will learn Haram things like Xmas celebrations 😃

Egypt is a pretty chill and liberal country tbh.

Wahala 🤦‍♂️

Na to double my hustle send am go Saudi Arabia gangan be next option abi?

Olowunl01:
Bros, but southern parents have not stopped their wards studying in the North nah.. Even way back when there use to be religious crisis parents still send their wards back...

Like u don’t understand me. Growing up I’ve always watched the news and each time international news comes up they talk about “Crisis in the Dafur region “ , “ Rebel forces in southern Sudan “ , etc and they show people who are refugees in their own countries . Even now as an adult they still talk about crisis in Sudan every now and then.

From a young age I’ve known the country is a politically unstable country . I find it puzzling that as a parent I will now gather money and send my child to the country to study when it’s not like the place has suddenly become stable like Present day Rwanda . Like send my child to another country that is politically unstable for so long 🤷🏼‍♂️.

Northern Nigeria is still Nigeria . Nigeria is still our country and we have nowhere else to go . But a foreign country that I have other options? If I want my child to have Arabic Education Egypt is there na. There are other countries with more stable political climate

chrisooblog:
Sudan is an alternative for most Northern middle class who want to send their kids to get a comparable better education (read medicine). The Islamic culture there also gives them some sort of peace of mind that their ward won't be influenced negatively to turn away from muslim tenets if it were say UK or US they were sent to instead.

Hmmmm.... It's not like I don't know these things, I'm just saying personally I won’t choose a country with history of political instability for my ward irrespective of whatever culture/tenets I seek for them to imbibe .

Countries like that are just one military coup away from serious violence and u start purging as a parent each time u hear the news of fighting between different military forces in the country .

I guess everyone has their own perspectives of seeing things

Peppered ponmo

Drone17:
It's like saying that Somalia is politically stable since they haven't even on the news recently. 😁

Omo, I just weak . It was the same guy that said we are sensationalizing the Fulani herdsmen issue . As if survivors of the attacks didn’t live to tell the stories of the identities of those who attacked them. 🤦‍♂️

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Why does this Gimba guy always see every issue as a means to compare and contrast?

While i know that Sudan had good schools, it doesn't take away the fact that it was marred by insecurities.

Wetin bring Ukraine inside sef?[/color]

The first point he said “ Sudan isn’t a collapsible Banana republic you assumed it is ……it is not just what we see on CNN“. 😁

A country that fought an ethnic-religious themed civil war which lasted for 50 years is not a collapsible banana republic ?

Sometimes I really wonder why people just decide to be on the defensive even at risk of sounding ridiculous like that Gimba guy . Sudan has always had insecurity issues before Southern Sudan got independence and is still a politically unstable country even after Southern Sudan independence . That’s a very obvious stuff and not some conspiracy theory being sold by CNN or other foreign media .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I said it here that they have good Medical institutions

I can't remember how and where i met someone who schooled there.

People go there to school[/color]

If any of my family members wanted to go school outside Nigeria , I won’t open my eyes and have them go to a country where they still had military coup in year 2019. My point is the place is not a country with a stable political climate like Nigeria or Ghana that has been having constant change of power since the early 2000’s .

liveLongNprospa:
5500 Nigerians are stuck in Sudan with 80% being students

But Nigerians get mind sha . Sudan has been a politically unstable country for a while now ; a country that still had military coups in 2019 and 2021 . How dem dey take dey comfortable for the country sef normally without any fear and apprehension of further instability ?

It can’t be me!

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Exactly[/color]

I think Nigerians generally look at wealthy people , size them up and assign billionaire or millionaire status to them as the spirit leads .

For example u will see a man who has a viable business like haulage/logistics engaging in the business of carrying products for multinationals like Cadbury , Unilever etc . The man can decide to buy let’s say 150 trucks at once with each truck costing like 30 million naira . It’s typical for Nigerians to assume the man is a billionaire cos he just bought trucks worth 4.5 billion .

What u won’t know is the man may have gotten an asset financing facility from his bank the terms of which he is expected to contribute just 30% while the bank contributes 70% to the purchase of the trucks . (That 1.35 billion baba dropped sef is almost all his sweat of many years ). You as an outsider will not know these details , u wouldn’t even know the trucks are registered in the name of the bank/customer to show they are jointly owned until the man eventually liquidates his facility if business is good and no unforeseen circumstance changes the tide of things .

Trust the MD/CEO of the company , he will surely live up to the hype and make people believe he’s as rich as people are assuming in the society . It’s when the loan goes bad and AMCON takes over we will start knowing baba no really hold like that

Theflint1:
Sure, e no go dey easy, and you go dey spend from the capital, but let's say minus personal expenses and all, doing business across 20 years at 15% increase year on year, you'd be worth a hefty sum, even with a startup capital of #1m.

I don't know which is the more valuable market between Tradefair and Computer Village, but I want to imagine the average trader in Computer Village is worth more than the average trader in Tradefair. Most likely who go get serious insight on this thing wey no go sound like trust me bro, go be BlueRayDick, since he's in the banking sector and would likely have seen what your "average" business man's balance sheet is like.

Maybe what u should’ve just said is there are multi millionaires who are traders in Computer village and Alaba markets .

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Of course. He is within his rights to promise anything. [/color]

Na so buhari sef make different promises some of which they are recanting , others they claim they have fulfilled (even when the reality in ground suggests otherwise ). If Buhari had lost the 2015 elections we would’ve been thinking we missed a big chance at making the country work again.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Bros, i don't want to make excuses for him. If men that are very low in wealth can produce, i don't see why a billionaire can't

Obi was a big importer. Can you list what he specialised on, and check if it can't be produced?

One thing you should know is that Importation is the easiest way to wealth, and that is what Obi, and many other billionaires settle for

For me, he is not fit to propel the gospel of local production.

My opinion, though[/color]

In my opinion , anybody can preach any gospel . What matters is if u do that which u promised when u eventually get there . Unfortunately we would never know if Obi would be able to it or not since he didn’t get there eventually .

Na who don reach there make we dey look wetin he go do.

Ibime:
What Igboho may have done is attack innocent artisans

The Fulani that attack you don't stay in one place, they mobilise from the forest, a lot of times from different state

You are obviously so detached from what is happening with the Fulani herdsmen crisis . Which innocent artisan are u talking about ? When did Fulani start doing handwork in the forest ?

Prior to Igboho taking laws into his hands, there had been series of attacks , killings and kidnappings perpetrated by those Fulani militia in the Oke-Ogun axis . They killed indigenes who invested in their home towns and the government failed to bring the perpetrators to book. Igboho attacked the settlement of the Fulani because in his crude way he believed those Fulani herdsmen guys would not have free entry and free exit to the town without the protection/cover of the Seriki .

Guess what happened afterwards ? The same Fulani herdsmen came back to avenge the Igboho attack on the Seriki and the Fulani settlement . Is there a smoke without fire ?

Watching This De Gea in a penalty shootout is hilarious

liveLongNprospa:
Nah.. APC did a madness leading up to the 2015 election

This one no be APC handiwork, it's Sowore's handwriting.

Sometimes pitying Sowore for his ordeals in the hands of Buhari's government is difficult. He really sowed breeze and reaping whirlwind in harvest time

Dapo Ọmọ lile

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao... Like I said BlueRayDick simply needs to tell apc boys to go and do verification.
Obidients did not come and be asking questions about tinubu like this.
Na we go investigate and we are still investigating till today.

Come on you can't be hiding from the work.
When you find something that Obi lied about and you can confirm he lied about it then we will have a conversation about it.
It's that simple thing.

U don’t even need to go far . Each time Obi is caught dropping inaccurate stats it doesn’t take more than 2 days for us to read about the “fact check “ on nairaland Frontpage and on Twitter .

Why is his doubtful source of wealth now something they won’t take time out to investigate and bring to our notice ?

raumdeuter:
Tinubu filled his form in 1992 and didn't claim any secondary school , he claimed Chicago state university

So why will he now change it in 1999? Do you know how ridiculous it sounds

It's like Senator Abiru claims he went to LASU for senate form, in 2027, he wants to contest for Governor and now claims he went to Unilag

What does he have to gain by doing that when it's the same bachelors Degree

Do u have a copy of Tinubu’s 1992 senate nomination form? If u do, please share

In which court is Adeleke being tried for certificate forgery as we speak ? Hope u are not confusing civil case with criminal case ?

The tribunal case is a civil case in which APC and Oyetola will throw everything at him including the certificate forgery to have the election results overturned . It’s not the same as suing him for certificate forgery as a sitting governor .

liveLongNprospa:
Lmaooo didn't Obi visit the secondary abi primary school he went to.

Obi's primary, secondary and university can easily be verified.
BlueRayDick seems to be bored😁

Truly I have free time on my hands today .

raumdeuter:
The GCI story was the form filled by Afikuyomi where he claimed GCI, and University of Chicago

Tinubus 1992 Senate form he did not fill GCI in it
The Gani case, That was not Tinubus claim, that was Afikuyomis erroneous claim
Salisu Buhari also had immunity but was removed as speaker when the issue of Toronto came out.

One of APC case against Adeleke is certificate forgery despite his current immunity

So if you see your secondary school mate Segun Johnson claiming he was home schooled, now posing as Mudashiru Obasa you will not recognize the lie?

It's simple, you were asking why no one has come to challenge Obi with evidence, It's the same reason none of Tinubus classmates who knew him in secondary school have come out that his name is not Tinubu

If you are giving Obi the benefit of doubt because no one has come to challenge him with documentary facts, it's the same reason no one has brought out Tinubus secondary school details. They brought out Adelekes testimonial from the 1970s

Salisu Buhari did not have immunity . The immunity in section 308 of the constitution only applies to 4 categories of people ; the president, Vice President , governors and deputy governors .

How can u say that was Afikuyomi’s claim and not Tinubu’s claim ? 🤣🤣🤣

Do u even know how ridiculous it sounds ?

raumdeuter:
From the link you shared



From Tinubu he had many enemies than anyone in Nigeria political history from private individuals to govt agencies to the Federal govt yet no one could bring out any of his classmates that will just show evidence this Bola Tinubu was actually Segun Ajayi?

So if we are taking Obis refined story on face value, why can't we take Tinubus own too on face value

I don’t follow this kind analogy .

Tinubu claimed he attended GCI for his secondary school in the forms he submitted in 1999. Gani Fawehnimi believed he lied under oath and instituted a suit for Tinubu to be tried for lying under oath but Tinubu was already enjoying immunity so the case was dead on arrival .

How do u expect someone to come out and claim Tinubu was their classmate when Tinubu himself has removed the information from his INEC nomination forms 15 years after ? Like u expect someone to come out and claim Tinubu is their clasmate in 2023 when his spokesperson Keyamo had come out to claim he passed his exams from home ?

I don’t even understand where all of this is heading sef

reccy:
Bro, that mannequin for Aso rock no dy hear word. I'm not try to exonerate Malami and other slowpokes but believe me, that man too get stubborn head. To me, he just wants flex with our money and protect his fulani interests at the detriment of our lives. He doesn't just care!

After galvanised the whole world snapping and smiling to the camera , what he could come up in that situation was grazing route? providing more Avenue for the blood thirsty animals to unleash their wickedness on us??

Malami and co Can only do the bidding of mr Dullard himself, so i wasn't surprised that he asked us to adopt that archaic method.

May Buhari never happens to us again.

Amen 🙏

raumdeuter:
So between mid 20s when Obi finished University and mid 30s. He made enough money to become a majority shareholder in a bank and many other companies.

Tinubu has been in the political space for even longer made more enemies than Obi can ever dream of yet no one has come out to say this guy was my mate in secondary school and his name is this. This was our pictures and class register or Waec register to give a full dossier on him

So if we are to believe everything Obi said because no one has brought evidence to counter it, why can't we believe Tinubu since no one has brought documented evidence against him?

I already told u I don’t believe Obi is from humble beginning background most people think when they hear his parents were traders .

Ojukwu’s father was also a trader yet rose to become one of the richest men in his time.

So I saw this News piece online talking about Obi’s family background . It says his father owned a Mercedes which was a luxury in the 50’s/60’s. Even when his father died at a early age and the mum had to raise them, the woman still raised 8 children who are succesful today . How many widows do u know from a next to nothing background that could pull that off ?

I will liken Obi’s case to that of Cross of BBnaija . He’s the son of Ezego the billionaire that year . Despite losing their father at a young age, the widow raised her children and they are doing well today . It will be an illsusion for one to think they are poor like normal poor poor people

https://sunnewsonline.com/peter-obi-unveiled/?amp

As regards Tinubu he made enough friends and enemies and he’s got his own share of his enemies going after him with the little they know . It was his own party members in the AD that even started the drug peddling allegations against him. Like people that contested primary elections against him in the same party

raumdeuter:
Do you have a source for your version of the well to do parents
I have read different versions. The version I read was that his father died when he was very young

Someone once said his parents were traders with Obis parents and they traded together. It's wasn't like they were magnates just regular average traders.

There is a huge gap between not struggling to pay for school fees and becoming the ED of a bank. Did he work his way up the bank through SBO, AM DM etc

You didn't struggle to pay fees but you are not close to being the majority shareholder in a bank nor enough money to contest for Governor of a major state in the next few years

Obi contested for governor at 41yrs. He was already a billionaire way before that

The popular thing you will hear was that before politics in 1999, Obi was a businessman or trader who also was ED in Fidelity Bank and some organizations also lived in UK for some years. Nothing coherent that flows logically like Osinbajo for example who went to Corona schools way back in the 60s

You don’t need to work ur way through any ladder in the bank if u buy the majority shares and get nominated to be on the board . It’s as simple as that . I’m not sure Obi claimed he was a GM, ED , etc . I think what I’ve read and confirmed to be true was that he was the chairman of the bank and this we know is achievable by buying controlling shares in a company .

I’ve attended different AGM of companies where u see chairman who preside over meetings being someone who didn’t work for the company at any point in time. It’s just by investment in the company .

I really do not know the trajectory of how Obi made his money , but if it were to be through illegal means(like u are suggesting here ) ; I believe he’s been in the political scene for close to 20 years now . He’s made both friends and enemies in that period of time. By now his enemies should’ve come up with a full dossier on him.

GloriousGbola:
You will be suprised. As an example I heard that otedola did not go to university and that he was loan sharking before he decided to go into oil. And his success initially was pure govt influence. Obj apparently dropped an order that the man's vessels must be attended to immediately no matter their position on queue. This killed his demurrage cost and allowed him to do zenon diesel direct. Otedola would have been bankrupt if yardua had not died.

Obi is another Nigerian billionaire with a large blank space and plenty story.

Otedola is an elite from his young age . Make una no dey believe all those stories they sell to the media to make these people appear as tho they had humble beginning . If he was almost going bankrupt from loan sharking how did he get funds running into billions of naira to set up zenon oil ?

I don’t know much about Obi’s journey to becoming a billionaire tho.

raumdeuter:
I have a friend who was kind of older than us but still our classmate. Those wey don go public school reach like primary 2 before they sent them back to Nursey 1 in private school. He was older but we were still friends. he also cut 5yrs from his age when he wanted to enter govt employment but his younger bro and sister did not cut their age. He is anti Tinubu and always throws shade at Tinubu about his age and education

That was how one of our friends tackled him when his recent birthday came up on facebook, that you wey dey shout about Tinubu if you get into politics tomorrow how will you explain than your 2 younger ones who we know are your aburos are actually older than you based on this new age. How do you explain that you finished primary school at age 6 and secondary school at age 11?

Because of how that will look this guy might have to clean out his primary and secondary education too if he enters politics. Well our friend kept quiet for a few days.

There are many things people do on their way up that they can't explain publicly

For example everything about Obi from graduation in UNN till becoming ED at Fidelity Bank is not properly documented. Especially his stay in UK. Where did he work? He conveniently claimed he is a trader. What was your trajectory from a humble graduate to a billionaire trader? Who were your market colleagues who you shared shop with? Was he trading in Onitsha as well as living in UK?

It's possible that Obi in a bid to survive as a young man did so many hustles and when he made money enough and established himself. And now became a Saint.

Not everyone was privileged like them Osinbajo and Davido to live their lives in limelight all through

I don’t believe Obi was an hustler ; It’s obvious he had parents who were well to do.His story is not a grass to grace story ; rather a story of multiplying what was left in name. He doesn’t cut the picture of someone who had to struggle to pay his fees through school nor had to hustle to establish himself .

reccy:
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The bolded dy always vex me ahswear.

Grazing route in 2023 is just too Archaic and unhealthy.

The fact that Malami the chief law officer of the country could not advise the president appropriately in that matter is unfortunate .

Imagine Buhari referring to gazette of 1960’s on Grazing routes when Land use act had overridden such archaic practice . Land use act is even embedded in the constitution o. Shebi let’s assume Buhari is a former soldier who knows nothing about the law on matters like that, Is Malami the AGF not supposed to inform him how Land use act had had vested the ownership of lands to the governors ?

raumdeuter:
So do we believe Tee Mac or not when he said Tinubu is 86 last year and 87 this year.

It's either Tee Mac was lying or saying the truth. Exaggeration of number is also a lie

Tee Mac said Tinubu is 87 this year, you think he is lying / exaggerating. So Tee Mac cannot be a reliable source since he already lied

I don't know Tinubus age beyond what he officially declared but if I'm to guess I will say about 5yrs older than he declared like many people usually do

The bold is my thoughts too. I have a relative who worked with the federal government; when she turned 60 (her real age ), my old man called her in my presence to congratulate her on her birthday . After the call he said something about the disadvantages of reducing one’s age. He said she’s 60 today but she can’t celebrate cos her official age is 5 years younger; any attempt for her to do elaborate celebration of the 60 years birthday means she’s out of the work cos her official retirement age is supposed to be 60.

It was then I knew people cut their ages especially wella but most times it’s usually not more than 5-6 years difference .