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Queengeisha: Is your anger the fact that the hadiths are in a non Muslim site?
The highest Islamic body in Egypt recently issued a fatwa based on that hadith

I gave you a sincere advice, if you want to get FATWA, get it from Muslim website and if you don't find it ask a real Muslim about what you heard from illiterate deceiving site.

Role NUMBER ONE, DON'T EVER START A DEBATE THAT YOU CANNOT FINISH OR DON’T KNOW THE END. You know that you have come to the trap by yourself. I was in Egypt when all talks started about that Hadith, so I know all the story but do you? Obviously not. I will give it to you totally

Queenisha:
I've given you hard core proof and you're grasping at straws

Excuse me sis you have just given balderdash (I will not say piece of sheet as reserving my fasting and to lift up talking standards) as usual and that is what we have been telling you people, Keep your nonsense (I will not say sheet) to yourself otherwise it will be thrown on you back as normal, period.


I gave you facts with numbers and the source is from your own side, so what have you done, you just turned up the discussion to another way as you people used to do. Every time we shut you up you run with your Satan to another way or hidden for a while. However, we are in Ramadan and your Satan cannot help you for now

BOMANY:
see you

May God forgive me, as i said see you without saying Insha'a Allah, by God's Grace

(Nor say of anything, "I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow". Without adding, "So please Allah!" and call thy Lord to mind when thou forgettest, and say, "I hope that my Lord will guide me ever closer (even) than this to the right road" ) 18.23:24

Queenisha:
well not yet.
a hadith to support what i said about suckling

see more
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/nursing_of_adults.htm

Again,  an article by one Sam Shamoun on Christian site

What you do not understand, and will never do, the writers of Hadith, The Prophet's sayings GBPUH, have written all what was said about Islam in all fields and in all aspects even the bloody lies. They believed that Honesty and good faith in Islam made them to do so. However, they differentiated among them which is good and which is lie and explained each one of them and even explained the situation when it happened. That is why we know in recent days everything and every second on Islam from the beginning. While you cannot give detailed history of Christianity and the bible during the first 600 years. It is one of the main differences between Islam and your religion.
However, some of the insane writers used to cut one paragraph from here and another sentence fro there an join it together without mentioning to the reliability of it.
I will go to pray and eat to start fasting, see you

 

Queengeisha:
I'm done with the thread

 

I have shut up you in two former threads about Islam, and I promise to keep doing. I wish you good luck next time but you will never get it

Queengeisha:
Britain did a study and Pakistani Muslims who are only 3% of births have 1 in 3 births with congenital defects.The underlying factor being a result of inbreeding and you call it lies.

{Children of non-related couples have a 2-3% risk of birth defects, as opposed to first cousins having a 3-4% risk. Genetic counseling is available for those couples that may be at a special risk for birth defects (e.g. You have a defect that runs in your family) In plain terms first cousins have at a 94 percent + chance of having healthy children. Check the links section for more information on genetic counselors. The National Society of Genetic Counselors estimated the increased risk for first cousins is between 1.7 to 2.8 percent, or about the same a any woman over 40 years of age} end of qoute

THIS IS THE FACT

In Mohammeds time men used to make their wives breast feed their male slaves to deter them from marrying them or having an affair.

Looking desirably or erotically to other women in Islam is prohibited, even some Imams made all kinds of long looking to women forbidden  so how about a man comes close to another woman to suck her  breast, WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE

EVEN YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO LIE 

The only way of breast feeding brotherhood in Islam is for babies less than two years and they should be fed by one woman at least five full times to become a breast feeding brothers or a brother and sister and they are not allowed in the future to marry each other, it is prohibited

That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding

The Facts About Cousin Marriages

Some people are fixated on the fallacy that cousin couples pose an intolerable risk to their offspring. However it is likely that we are all descendants of cousin marriages. Before civil laws banning cousin marriages, it was preferable to marry a cousin in some communities as it is to this day in many countries. The notion “why marry a stranger" is just as prevalent in many countries as the cousin marriage taboo in America today.
There is a wide range of opinions on the subject of cousin marriages. This is fuelled by erroneous information, bigotry, and presumptions. Further we have civil laws and religious creeds based on obsolete information.
The facts about cousin marriages are much clearer.

There are no contemporary studies that indicate cousins have children with significantly higher than normal birth defects.  Fears of cousins who marry having children with birth defects are indeed exaggerated. Simply marrying within your own race increases the odds of birth defects. Marrying within your own town further increases your chances.

Fact: 26 states allow first cousin marriages; Most people can marry their cousin in the US.
Fact: US prohibitions against cousin marriages predate modern genetics. Hmmm.
Fact: In the first quarter of 2000, two delegates in Maryland introduced a bill that would prohibit first cousin marriage. This bill passed in the House of Delegates (82 to 46), however did not make it past the Senate Committee. Please remember Delegates Heller and Barve in the next election. The sponsors of the bill claim that a large ratio of out-of-state couples come to Maryland to get married – perhaps cousin couples. Their bill would have stifled revenues from marriage licenses while imposing ridiculous marriage restrictions.
Fact: No European country prohibits marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico to marry your cousin. The USA is the only western country with cousin marriage restrictions.
Fact: Second cousins have little, if any increased chance of having children with birth defects, per the book "Clinical Genetics Handbook”– courtesy of the March of Dimes.
Fact: The frequency of cousin marriages in the USA is about 1 in 1,000
Fact: The frequency of cousin marriages in Japan is about 4 in 1,000
Fact: It is estimated that 20 percent of all couples worldwide are first cousins. It is also estimated that 80 percent of all marriages historically have been between first cousins!
Fact: In some cultures, the term cousin and mate are synonymous.
Fact: Albert Einstein married his first cousin. And so did Charles Darwin, who had exceptional children.
Fact: Franklin D. Roosevelt, the longest serving US president in history married his cousin (not a first cousin, however they shared the same last name).
Fact: The first Prime Minister of Canada, Sir John A. MacDonald married his first cousin.
Fact: Leviticus 18 lists all forbidden sexual relationships. Cousin relationships are not included.
Fact: God commanded many cousins to marry, including Zelophehad's 5 daughters, Eleazar's daughters, Jacob (who married both Rachel and Leah, first cousins), and Isaac and Rebekkah (first cousins once removed). All were ancestors of Jesus Christ.
Fact: Current studies indicate that cousin couples have a lower ratio of miscarriages -- perhaps because body chemistry of cousins is more similar. The verdict is still out.

@Deepz

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Incest (noun 1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons), is permitted in Islam to a large extent.
That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding.



No wonder.

You say a lie and start believing 

Internationally

26 states in the United States of America allow cousin marriage. Also Canada and Europe allow cousin marriage. 20 percent of marriages around the world are between first cousins, Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin married their first cousins, Queen Victoria married her first cousin, and Mary, Queen of Scots, married her cousin Henry.

Do you want more

The Second

Christianity & Cousin Marriages

Introduction
No website dealing with cousin relationships would be complete without exploring the Christian viewpoint. Christianity is a very large tent. From Appalachian snake handlers to the majestic liturgy of Eastern Orthodoxy, Christian beliefs run the full gamut. In this discussion, we will consider only the biblical history and acceptance of cousin relationships, as opposed to institutional creeds. (For a complete discussion on the Catholic Church, please see our Chat with an Expert page.)
For much of the world's population, the Bible is the final authority on right and wrong. This is true both of devout Christians as well as those who may have some vague, indiscernible root in the Christian faith. Perhaps Christianity was the faith of one's parent or grandparent, and although the individual does not particularly follow the faith, they were ingrained from childhood that God is the ultimate authority, and the Bible is God's instruction book to mankind.
Whether one truly believes in the Bible or not, it seems to have become a social standard to attribute one's own assumptions of right from wrong on scripture. Unfortunately, many times the person who claims that something is "a sin against God," or that an individual will "burn in Hell" for his actions or lifestyle have no clear understanding of what Scripture says on the subject. Perhaps even more unfortunate is that many preachers, priests, and theologians have also allowed society to cloud their judgment on the issue, rather than to study what the Bible has to say on the subject for themselves.

A look at Leviticus
The Bible has a great deal to say about cousin marriage, and not once does it say anything negative. To the contrary, all references to cousin marriage in scripture are 100% supportive. Let's look first at how the Bible defines sexual impurity, in Leviticus chapter 18. God tells us that we are not to have sexual relations with the following:
any close relative (which you will clearly see does not include cousins)
your mother
your father's wife
your sister, (whole or half) "whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere" (v.9)
your grandchild
the daughter of your father's wife (step-sister)
your father's sister (aunt) "as she is your father's close relative"
your mother's sister (aunt) "as she is your mother's close relative"
your father's brother's wife (aunt)
your son's wife
your brother's wife
with both a woman and her daughter
your wife's sister as a rival wife (to spite your first wife)
during "uncleanness of her monthly period"
with your neighbor's wife
with a member of the same sex; the Bible says "that is detestable"
with an animal; the Bible refers to this as "a perversion"

Those who oppose cousin marriage often use "any close relative" to base their opposition on. Others will say that just because cousins aren't specifically referred to doesn't mean God didn't mean to include them. They insist this list is just a general rule of thumb, not an all-inclusive command.
I disagree. Leviticus is a book of law. It is very specific and very definitive. The passage begins with "any close relative", and proceeds to describe all that God defines as near kin, followed by other sexual acts which God forbids. To say that God meant to include cousins is to assume God made a mistake. To say that it is only a general list, you must wonder why God was so very specific that he included beastiality, homosexuality, and sex during a woman's menstrual cycle. Furthermore, the Scripture clearly and unmistakably defines an aunt (a mother's or father's sister) as the parent's close relative, not as one's own.
Now you may wonder why Leviticus forbids a man to marry his aunt, but not a woman to marry her uncle. Some may use that as proof that God gave only generalities. This is a common misunderstanding; however, God did not forbid uncles and nieces from marriage. Why the double standard?
First let me explain that society changes. Culture changes. God does not change. What was common during Biblical times is not acceptable by today's standards. That being said, let's examine why God would allow a man to marry his niece but would not allow a woman to marry her nephew.
When a woman was left widowed, the men in her husband's family were required to take responsibility of the woman. The deceased husband's nearest kin was commanded to take her as his wife. If she had borne no children to her husband, her firstborn to his relative was to be the legitimate heir to the deceased spouse. However, the nearest kin was also required to have the approval of his first wife before taking on a second. If the first wife was opposed to the marriage, or was related to the widow within the defined prohibitions, then she became the responsibility of the next nearest kin. The brother of the deceased was generally the obvious choice, although a widow's marriage to her father in law was fairly common. Because cousin marriage was allowed by God's law, and was in fact commanded of many individuals throughout scripture, the deceased husband's nearest relative was often the widow's uncle. If neither a brother nor father to the deceased was an option, the next nearest kin appears to have always followed a lateral or ascending direction. In no instance did a widow become the marital responsibility of her late husband's son, or his brother's son.
I will briefly list some of the individuals commanded or otherwise instructed in scripture to marry a cousin. For further information on these individuals and the circumstances, you may choose to read the scriptural passages associated with each. More detailed information will be included in the forthcoming book, which will be made available on this website upon completion.

Biblical Cousin Marriages

Each of the following individuals in scripture were in the lineage of Mary, Christ's mother, or Joseph, his "earthly" father, who were chosen by God to raise His son. Most, if not all, occurred (chronologically) after the time in which Levitican law was written.
Zelophehad's daughters did as the LORD commanded Moses. Zelophehad's daughters, Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milcah and Noah, married their cousins on their father's side.
(Numbers 36: 1-11)
Milcah, one of Zelophehad's daughters, was married to her cousin Nahor. They had a grand daughter named Rebekkah. In Genesis 24:48-51, the story unfolds of how, against all odds, God's direction for her to marry her cousin's son Isaac (first cousin once removed) is made crystal clear.
Isaac and Rebekkah had two son's. Jacob was the son whom was blessed to fulfill God's prophecy that the descendant's of Abraham (Jacob's grandfather, Isaac's father) would become a great nation. Isaac instructed Jacob to marry a daughter of Rebekkah's brother. Although he immediately fell in love and became engaged to his cousin Rachel, his uncle tricked him into first marrying Rachel's sister Leah. Although God blessed Jacob greatly, Jacob suffered much grief and heartache for having married both sisters. Jacob's descendants became what is now known as the twelve tribes of Israel. (Genesis chapters 19 and 29)
In I Chronicles 23:22, Eleazar's daughters married their first cousins. Very little detail is given of this event.

Conclusion
Biblical prohibitions of cousin marriage reside only in the minds of the unlearned. We can find many instances of where God had blessed cousin marriage. In fact, the Catholic Dictionary finds that Christ's parents-- Joseph & Mary-- were first cousins. Protestants come to the same conclusion. Do I believe that Joseph and Mary were first cousins? It's likely, but I do not need this to validate my relationship. It will be fun to tease Joseph and Mary a bit when I get up there.

http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=religion

@ Deepzin
[quote
Do you know any other religion that permits cousins to marry except islam?
[quote][/quote]I will not argue you in your religion nor quote from my side websites as you people do. I will just quote from two Christian websites. Let them tell you the truth. If they are not enough tell me to give you endless list


The First

Theology Questions: Cousin Marriage

The Bible does not forbid marrying your cousin so let's make sure in our zeal to help others that we don't confuse what our culture teaches with what the Bible teaches.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Leviticus 18 lists the forbidden relationships and cousins are not forbidden nor is cousin marriage forbidden anywhere else in the Bible.
God may have chosen your cousin for you and if He chose him it would be a sin to walk away from this. There is no evidence that there is a significant increase in birth defects when cousins marry. The preferred marriage among the Israelites was cousin to cousin marriage and Jews to this day have an average I.Q. of over 120 with the highest population of Geniuses in the world. Ever hear of Einstein?
Both Albert Einstein and Charles Darwin married their first cousins. If such scientists as these had no fear of "defects" in their children then you should not. Their children were all healthy and bright. However, if you're really stupid and your cousin is really stupid then there is a much higher chance that your children will be really stupid. Is there room for a little humor here?
The fact is that cousin marriage was banned by the Roman Catholic church under 'Pope Gregory I' in an attempt to prevent the accumulation of wealth and power within families. The popes saw wealth among the common man as competition for their own power. This power structure exists in the Philippines to this day and is hampering economic development. The ban had nothing to do with our Bibles which we read regularly, don't we?
Civil disobedience has a long history within the Christian community. You've all heard of people power. When the people gathered by the thousands outside of Malacanang to oust Marcos that was against the law. Was it a sin? No. If you must go to another province or state to marry your cousin so that nobody will report you then that is what you must do. Will that be against the law? Maybe. Is it a sin? No. This is not unheard of in the Philippines, The United States, and many other countries where Born Again Christians live in sufficient numbers to make such laws of no effect. I know of such a couple in the Philippines and they live happily to this day. They're now in their 60s with 5 children and many grandchildren. They're born again of course because it is the pope who forbids cousin marriage, not the Bible.

http://www.christianmarriage.com/home/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=59

@ Queengeisha

That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding

Enough rambling talk, Show us solid facts, figures, numbers, percentages on what you are allege.
Let's give you numbers in a real case, AIDS, that unbeatable monster. The Aids carriers in Arab countries till 2003 are 37614 while the total number in the world is about 37 million. 30% of the Arab carriers are women, most of them got it from their husbands, while in Iran 90% of them are men, most of them on drug injection, and only 4% of Iranian Aids carriers are women. 51% of the Arab Aids carrier were infected sexually and most of them got it in other countries that legalize prostitution, while 97% of the Aids carriers in the African Horn region are infected sexually.

Doesn’t this tell you part of the real role of Islam in life

@ QueenGeisha

In Mohammeds time men used to make their wives breast feed their male slaves to deter them from marrying them or having an affair.

I pity you
When you want to quote FATWA or Islamic explanations, get it from a real Islamic source so we can look into and discuss

Just for clarification, the website that you are indicating in your comment says the following phrase
"[b]If you are a good human being, you are not a Muslim"

talknafree:
Well over years i have seen muslim ladies and noticed that people tend to only classify a "true" muslim lady by the way and manner in which she dresses but not actually based on her strong religious believe and character (i.e not missing the 5 daily prayers, keeping chaste, and of good bahaviour).

I totally and strongly agree with you. First, I believe Islam is the only religion that has come to stop completely judging or convicting people by other people on matters that don’t concern them and made it very clear that apart of committing crimes, No one has right to judge others on any level.

Second, Islam taught us to perceive others on the ground of what they are doing and leave what in their hearts to God. The prophet, God's Blessings and Peace Upon Him, Said ALDEEN ALMO'AMALAH, meaning treating, dealing, conducting or behaving with or to others is the religion. So if you are treating them bad, you are bad person and if you are treating them good, you are a good Muslim.
However, as we, Muslims, got backwardness in everything and copied the westerners in everything, we converted Islam into outward or external appearance,as Christians turned Xmass to just celebration by food and dinking wine, while we left back the real teachings of Islam which includes;

FEAR NOTHING AND NO ONE BUT GOD.  SACRFICE FOR OTHERS AND GOOD DEEDS ARE REWARDED ONLY THE PARADISE BY GOD. SOLIDARITY WITH POOR AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE IS THEIR RIGHT ON REAL MUSLIMS, NOT GRANTED. GOD CREATED ALL MAN KIND EQUAL AND NO ONE HAS ADVANTGE ON OTHERS FOR HIS COLOUR, RACE OR WHATEVER. WHOEVER SLEEPS WITH FULL TOMMY WHILE HIS NEIGHBOUR IS HUNGRY IS NOT A MUSLIM. WHOEVER CHEATS IS NOT A MUSLIM. A MUSLIM CANNOT EVER TELL ALIE, CHEAT, OR BREACH A TRUST. GOD LOVES SERVANTS WHO DO THEIR WORK PERFECTLY.  BLESSED BE WHO IS WELL-BEHAVED, HIS CHARACTERISTIC OR NATURE IS PURIFIED, SPENT GENEROUSLY FROM HIS MONEY FOR OTHERS' BENEFIT AND TREAT OTHERS FAIRLY EVEN ON HIMSELF. THE BEST OF THE PEOPLE IS THE BEST FOR PEOPLE.

In fact, there is no enough space to tell only the main real Islamic teachings, yet most of us do not carry on it.

I agree with my Christian bro and sis, Muslims should stay in their section as CHRISTIANS MUST STAY IN THEIR SECTION. Just give a look to the Muslims' section to see the answer.

If every society, community, or just group of people do the same, half of the man kind problems would be resolved. Most of our problems are coming from liars, cheaters, and thieves who are calling themselves politicians, businessmen, and leaders.

There is no need for those who like always to be source of frustration by saying WHAT CHANGE WOULD IT MAKE. let's presume that movement and similar ones have made no change, WHAT CHANGE HAVE YOU DONE. SHOW THE WORLD WHAT MAY COME OUT OF YOU?  those people actually have less self confident and appreciation.

Another thief may replace past one but at least he will be afraid and steal less than the former one.

DeepZone:
Is islam against incest? If yes, why do they marry their relatives according to the islamic custom and tradition?

Littelb gave you enough explanations. Perhaps you mean marriage between cousins  Excuse me  Do you know any religion against it. Let's be specific, we are talking about religions not cultures

Kobojunkie:
Oh please, There is no battle. China already dominates Africa and if care is not taken, we will start screaming colonials.

The battle is not over yet. There is no clash yet between US and China over Africa, they still on the allotment phase. But it doesnt mean that it wont come, see Darfur. US is in real need to secure its oil supplies from Africa. Moreover, US cannt afford losing Africa as much as the Middle East or even more.

Anyway, I haven't heard anything from Obama about his stance towards Africa and China. He talked in misty and vague but friendly way about the Middle East but not Africa and China. I guess we shall wait to see after being the next president. I believe strongly he is the coming one

Kobojunkie:
In my honest opinion, I don’t think America really needs news moves and what not. I believe what the country needs first and foremost is to clean house. Go into Washington and clean house, cut spending, and put a tighter leash on senate and law makers so they understand they are not above the law. I believe we have policies already to help build the nation. Problem is we have a situation where we are hemorrhaging money and instead of pushing to fix the problems, we are instead trying to buy and administer brand new drugs.

You are absolutely right but it is not easy to fix it. you need to change the voters' attitudes first. Most of voters do not vote for who they believe that will stand for them but rather they vote for who they believe that they may have influence on him, whatever through their groups, lobbies, unions or even local leaders. Perhaps, that is why most of voters vote for the party more than candidates. Beside, they believe whatever the candidate says before the election, his stance after the election will be determined by the real situation, options at then and pressures on him, regardless what he said previously
IT IS A LONG WAY MY BRO

Sometimes my fears tell me that all of this "Obama Show" is because America knows that this century will be Africa's century. The real battle is on who dominates Africa and its huge natural resources. Since 1988, Nixon said it clearly in his book "Victory Without War", and they want to be prepared and they know that Africans are very emotion. America is about losing the battle in many areas or at least facing so much troubles in Latin America, Central Asia, South-East Asia, and the Middle East. All regions are coming up standing for their rights and asking about their resources whatever they are democratic or dictatorial systems. But we in Africa still so easy and always have good faith in those who occupied us and still sucking our natural resources.

Definitely, I like that guy, Obama, as much as those heroes in American interesting movies, however, I am afraid of him more than McCain. The last one is very clear, you can catch his faulty points, but Obama you cannt. Moreover, I am afraid that we love Obama for what we think that he will stand for, not for what he is standing for really right now. Many think that he will be the biggest break through for Afro American and minorities' rights after 8 years of Republicans' domination. But I have not heard clearly his stand on this point

Obama is the filmed mix that America needs it. He is young, high educated, not pure white nor black, carry the WASP culture (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) but he didn’t get it from the top, he got it from down. Unlike most Americans, he experienced many cultures that may give him wider viewpoint. He may patronize the new American dream in 21century.
All my fears that to find him later one of the silly American Movies, you can watch it but not to live it

@ Vigasimple

Because the middle Eastern people do not like America ( islam - v- Christianity) and maybe rightly that the middle East view America as the world police and oppressor of the Arabs.

For correction, it is OCCUPATION& COLONIALISM against INDEPENDENCE & FREEDOM. it is the case in Israel, Iraq and everywhere else and if they don't occupy directly they dominate the country sucking its resources. unlike what appears the rulers there are compatible with that. There are Christians in ME, it is not pure muslims.
The rest of what you said I totally agree

Gay Vatican Priest Caught Vedio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2orht60ghbo&feature=related

Sodomites In The Vatican Vedio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FAA31zgSGc&feature=related

Pedophile Priests Raping YOUR Children (by ABC news)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVAlGT0Yhzk&feature=related

TV evangelist quits over sex scandal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/21/newsid_2565000/2565197.stm

Megachurch leader in mega-sized sex scandal
80-year-old Georgia man slept with brother’s wife, fathered her child
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21888916/

Moral activist Privette arrested
http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/content/news/2007/07_20_2007/ne200707moral.shtml

List of Christian evangelist scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_evangelist_scandals

Minister at Prestonwood Baptist charged in Internet sex sting
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-minister_17met.ART.State.Edition2.46538c6.html