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Oasis007:


......Just imagine Amorim laying his hands on Chelsea's squad! Chei! Liverpool would likely find themselves trailing rather than getting closer to another EPL title. LOL!

Amorim would definitely set up a 3-4-2-1 formation, and the lineup could possibly look like this:

GK: Sánchez

CBs: Badiashile, Wesley Fofana, Colwill

WBs: Reece James, Cucurella

CMFs: Caicedo, Lavia

AMFs: Palmer, Neto

ST: Jackson


Now, compare this lineup to whatever best Manchester United can offer at the moment. Name just one Man U player who could displace any of these Chelsea players.

Let's even set aside stats because they beat us hands down. Chelsea fans go just dey laugh us bruh, coz their second team still better than our best XI.....LOL!

Cc raumdeuter

Sanchez and onana are in the same bracket. Onana might even be better going by the comments on the Chelsea thread.

Badashille? I am convinced lindelof is better than that guy. Fofana is injury prone and colwill is not better than Maguire or De ligt. We have better center back options than Chelsea.

They have better fullbacks and that's only because of Amad injury.

Lavia is injury prone so we can't judge his level. Caicedo is definitely better than all our midfield options.

Bruno is better than Palmer or at least on the same level. Garnacho is definitely better than Neto.

Jackson is definitely better than Holjund.

Combined first Eleven

Onana

Maz. Maguire. De ligt/ Yoro

James. Caicedo. Maino. Cucurella

Bruno. Palmer

Jackson

delkuf:
Amorim problem is when we had lots of injuries he didn't look at the academy. Use those young fresh boys. A good coach would have discovered one or two good players from the academy that he would integrated into the main team.

Look at what flick is doing at Barca. He has integrated lots of 17 to 18 years old player into the main team. Look at what they are doing for them

I am certain this is inaccurate.

Onana said absolutely nothing wrong. Matic should stop being a baby. Believing in your team and saying you are better than the opponent is the kind of mentality we need and in no way is that disrespecting the opponent.

Jamiuokolaa:
You get time o

The man clearly cannot comprehend simple English - e don tey wey i don notice am.

Thats why I said i wouldn't engage him any further

Make e focus on his "interview copy and paste" work, e dey do strong head dey shook mouth for wetin pass him limited intellect

Smh

No need for insults bro. Let's keep it mature. At the end of the day we all want the same thing.

Oasis007:


....cc Bombblacks. This is one of numerous. LOL!

That's not calling for him to be sacked. Go and take a look at the post he was replying to. No one here has asked for Amorim to be sacked, only for him to improve on the bad results we were getting which is a reasonable ask.

Oasis007:


.......you still ain't making sense! How many years Ten Hag was in charge by the way?! You keep on blabbing gibberish and you think its making sense.

When Ten Hag was appointed, I fully supported like other sensible fans that do use their brain well.

We didn't call for his sack less down a year. We were patient enough until its obvious he is taking us nowhere!

Dig further to enlighten yourself bruh. I hope the ila didn't affect your brain?! LOL!

Can you show one person here that has called for Amorim to be sacked?

BlueRayDick:
The point is Madrid was't even trying to score Arsenal with just 3 attempts at goal compared to Arsenal's 11. If Arsenal was lucky to have scored 3 out of those 11 (two of which are free kicks and one from open play), the Madrid was luckier to have conceded just that 3. Madrid didn't even put in work to register goals in their name.

Whether Rice scores direct freekick every week or once in a lifetime is irrelevant . I wonder when scoring a freekick suddenly became a thing of luck and not about hitting the ball right to out it behind the post

Your first two goals were setplays from a player that hasn't scored one before in his entire career. When we say lucky it doesn't mean Arsenal were getting dominated and managed to sneak a win like Liverpool did against Psg. Lucky in the sense that a player did something he may never repeat in his entire career. Calm down and stop being defensive.

BlueRayDick:
That's not luck bro. Arsenal had 11 shots on target to Real Madrid's 3.

Arsenal had the most possession(53% to Real Madrid's 47%).

If anything, Real Madrid were lucky to have ended the match with just 3 goals deficit; they were completely outplayed in the middle of the park; Timber locked Vinicius down and Saliba frustrated his old friend Mbappe each time he tries to make a difference.

Possession and shots has nothing to with someone who hasn't scored a freekick in his entire career scoring two in one night. Without those freekick goals Arsenal would have been lambasted for wasting their opportunities.

Panther7:
You are talking like Madrid bought those players and threw them into the starting 11 like United does. Those players you mentioned weren’t thrown into the main team, they had Ramos, Kroos, Benzema, like come on na!

They were all part of the main team and were given significant game time to develop.

Onkoolos:
Man u should stop all this academy nonsense.. look at the likes of Madrid.. They only go for ready made players... Players that will take 4 years to developed man u should avoid them...

How many academy players you see for real Madrid or PSG...

Are you joking or what?How old was Vini and Rodrigo when Madrid bought them and how many years did they give them to develop. How old is Endrick, Diaz and Guler? Valverde
plus Fran and Ascensio who broke into their first team this season are from their academy. Even Bellingham was 20 when bought and wasn't already made.

Jamiuokolaa:
The victories don dey sweet am

Bros is now buzzing with confidence - international break is now a problem

That's what getting results does and I am glad he's now getting more out of the squad despite recent Injuries. Our remaining fixtures from here on are tough so the international break comes at a good time. Maguire, Mount, Yoro, Maino and others should be back for Notthingham.

Great finish. Nice pass as well

Same thing we said here on this very thread and was castigated. Good thing Amorim is paying attention. Use the players you have to get results,that's the bare minimum. Look at everyone smiling and cheerful after the draw to Arsenal and win over Sociedad. No one is talking about short term gains bla bla bla.

kizolo:
That’s if they actually offer to sign him. Same thing with Sancho at Dortmund, after so much hyping of they being the only club that understands his game, they still didn’t sign him lol….These guys know these players are sh!t and aren’t distracted by their temporary form. After the loan they’ll send him back to United with the excuses that they can’t afford him

Dortmund actually wanted to sign Sancho but didn't have the money. They requested another loan but we refused.

iamoyindamola:
You claimed both feet touched the ball, that mean the ball moved before the penalty was taken
Even though I didn't see any movement from the ball, but this is the law guiding such situation

The ball didn't move before the penalty was taken. You are saying something else. He hits it with his right foot but falls and it clips his left foot before going in. That's where the double touch comes in.

iamoyindamola:
The video wasn't conclusive, even at that he was supposed to replay as the penalty entered the net
If he had missed that's a different thing

It doesn't matter the outcome. As long as its two touches it gets cancelled. Mahrez and Mitrovic scored their penalties yet both were cancelled for the same reason.

BlueMann:
The way Alvarez landed shows that if anything, he must've slipped

But my main issue is this: Even if he did touch the ball twice, why cancel the pk outright and award it as a miss? Why not order for it to be retaken?

If the goalie saves a pk but doesn't have a foot on or behind the line, or some of his teammates encroach before the kick is taken, is a goal awarded to the opposition?

I've never liked that rule. Too harsh

It would be like asking a penalty to be retaken because the taker slipped and then misses. If a
penalty taker slips when taking a penalty should he also retake it?

iamoyindamola:
Simone is a terrorist but they were robbed, Alvarez PK didn't touch his other leg

It clearly touched both foot. It has happened to Mahrez before for Leicester and mitrovic. It's not a new law so I don't understand why people are shouting robbery.

Jamiuokolaa:
If we had won the game today, nobody would care if na lowblock or highblock. Unfortunately, we missed one too many clearcut chances.

Imagine where the team would be on the log if we somehow managed to win against the likes of Crystal Palace, Brighton etc.

Haven't you heard. The squad is not good enough to win against the likes of palace, Fulham, Bournemouth, etc. Infact there's no point in us winning any game this season at all because it might affect our future or something like that. Like Eph said what is the point in winning and climbing up the table when we can just keep on losing while preparing for next season. We need at least 8 new players in August before we can finish in the top 10.

eph12:
And then what? So you can end in the top half of the table like Bournemouth?

I know you were hoping we would lose. Seems when we lose our future gets brighter to you.

main24:
He needs to play to the strength of the players ? which players are you talking about?!

Which players did he use today? The Eriksen and Casemiro midfield combo that everyone was dreading before the game why it was it descent? Like I said before get the minimum from your available players and get freaking results.

Leyqute:
We sacked Erik because we kept losing games, the players kept underperforming , and his relationship with them had gone to shiit. Why do you think Erik had serious issues with his players? Does it have anything to do with discipline and the players want to tell him how they want to play?

If Erik relationship with the players was gone we wouldn't have renewed his contract. All those relationship arguments are baseless. Erik was sacked because he was losing games and underperforming just like how the Everton Coach was sacked. Both club got a new coach to improve their fortunes and only one has done that.

Leyqute:
Nope. Sometimes you have better player quality and sometimes the coach might be underperforming.

But the rotten culture at United is not a secret…and is probably the worst in the league.

Here you see players like Sancho publicly having a spat against his coach and Garnacho liking every social media post that paints his teammates and even coach in a bad light.

This doesn’t exonerate the coach at all. But if your players are constantly playing rubbish every match day and making silly mistakes, it’s only common sense to put some of the blame on their shoulders as well.

No one is absolving the players of blame. You are the ones trying to absolve the coach of any blame by putting all the bad results on the players to defend amorim. With the squad he have he should be doing far far better.

Leyqute:
LooL. You’re still wrong.

New signings give a sense of euphoria. That’s why you get quotes like the one you dug up. If you watch our games and see the lack of cohesion and silly mistakes we make, you’ll understand better.

I asked you to rate our last 5 summer transfer windows and for the last few pages, you’ve been prevaricating.

You are feigning ignorance and misusing the word.


You only get Europhia when you are confident about something. If the signings were poor and not going to improve the squad at the time they were signed you won't be getting any Euphoria. You will be lamenting and blaming the board for signing poorly. If we signed Wirtz in the summer you will be happy because you know he is world class player that will likely improve the squad. Stop trying to feigning ignorance when it's clear as day.

eph12:
We are tired of seeing that kind of performance. Just two seasons ago, we were comfortable in the top 4. 2 seasons later, under the same manager, we managed to finish 8th. Some months later, he was sacked at 13th or so. We don't want any rubbish overperformance

The minimum thing a coach has to do is get the maximum out of his current players which amorim is not doing. Getting the maximum out of your current players is not overperformance, it's the minimum and that was why Erik was sacked. His replacement is even doing worst and rightly being called out.

Leyqute:
Wrong. A coach can only pass information to his players. What they do on the pitch is out of his hands and totally up to them. And if everybody decides to be playing rubbish and he doesn’t have capable replacements, he is powerless to do anything about it.

So the rest coaches in the league their players are following their instructions but it's only United players that are playing against their own coach instructions. Then why did we sack Erik ten hagg if it's the players and not the lack of any tactical structure?

eph12:
Don't worry, very soon the Bournemouth and co will be stuck at the bottom half of the table, maybe you will change example by then. We have seen this too many times

Will that change the fact they used average players to over perform? Are those clubs not bottom half clubs on a norms.

Leyqute:
You’re still making my point. Fans are always euphoric about new signings, me included. But you still won’t know that a player is a good signing until they play for you for 1-2 years.

If your players keep making silly mistakes, will you be confident they can beat average teams?

You were not euphoric for nothing. You saw actual reasons to believe the squad was improved and good enough that the Coach should take all the blame if he fails to deliver. I am saying A you are jumping to B. We are talking about recruitment not signings that came good. We needed a goalkeeper when dea gea left and got Onana, that was a recruitment we needed despite him being s..hit currently. We need another number ten currently and if we go out and get wirtz that's a recruitment we need despite the fact that he may flop. I hope you understand what am saying now.

Leyqute:
It is not the job of the coach to tell his players to run. Neither is it his job to force his players to pass to each other so that they can score goals.

You can force a donkey to go to the river but you can’t force it to drink water. If the players at Nottingham and Bournemouth are egotistical and don’t follow the instructions of their coaches, they won’t be where they currently are.



You’re still wrong. Feel good factor or hype does not determine if a signing is good or not. If rumors surface that United want to go for Ronaldo AGAIN, some fans will be euphoric about it. Doesn’t mean that he’ll be a good signing or not. The proof is always in the pudding.

It's definitely the job of the coach to tell his players to run and follow his instructions. It's definitely the job of the players to get the best out of his players like those coaches at Bournemouth, Fulham are doing with more average players. How many of those players would you have taken before the season started over the ones at United?

Feedback and reaction will always tell if a transfer window has been satisfactory or not. You are on talking about a player being a success while I am talking about recruitment. You are mixing things up.

Please take note am not dragging these guys. These posts were in July and you can see how everyone was feeling good about the squad going into the season. Everyone was of the opinion that Eth has been backed and must deliver but now we are to believe the squad is not good enough to finish top 10.

larride:
Make I see who go blame board this season if the bald man disappoint.

Leyqute:
Board ke?

ETH has to deliver or else we get the right person in. What’s obvious is we now have competent football people in charge of football operations.

There’s no hiding place anymore. We can unequivocally lay blames at his feet now without mincing words.

eph12:
You know what I'm not backing?
1. Hojlund loses almost every ball sent to him. He can't hold off any defender and protect his ball. This has nothing to do with Amorimball or formation
2. Onana making silly mistakes including conceding directly from corner
3. Maguire pulling attackers shirt in the box or failing to properly set offside trap
4. Dalot inability to defend and attack properly. He has been here for years and still fails to make the best decisions 9/10
5. Lack of control in the midfield. Bruno is not someone that wants to control the midfield. He is best known for trying his quick passes to release attackers. Best suited for teams that prefer to play on the counter
6. Garnacho missing clear chances and being selfish 100% of the time. This has changed a bit and probably improving but he is still far away
7. Our first team attackers are Garnacho, Zirkzee, Hojlund and Amad. Amad is injured which means we have just 3 in good condition. Which serious team has only 3 first team attackers? Abi is this one amorimball too?

Finally go and bring the coach you want to bring and not replace most of these players, let's see if they will not struggle until they either voluntary resign of get sacked

I am certain Everton fans were also having this same complaints about individual players under their last coach but it's the same players Moyes is using to sit above us. Barca fans were also complaining about Raphinha, lewandowski etc last season now they are doing great under Flick. No matter how you try to dress it we shouldn't be finishing below 10th with the squad we have.

Leyqute:
Playing for Man Utd doesn’t automatically make you better than other teams.

If you get outplayed and overworked by average teams - Newcastle, Fulham and Crystal Palace, you deserve to lose.



Wrong. You can be happy or sad about a signing but that’s immaterial. The only way to know if a player is a good signing is gauging their performances 1-2 years after you’ve signed them..

It's the coach duty to make sure his team is not outworked and outplayed by average teams. If those coaches can get more from those average teams then our own coach should be getting more from his above average players.

You were talking about recruitment during the last 5 windows. Reaction and feedbacks after the recruitment window from fans will signify if it was good or bad. After the spending in August bringing in 5 players the general conscious here was we have improved the squad and should be doing better than last season Yes or no?