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Yonce:
He wasn't perfect, but he was darn close. And that's better than most entitled high-borns

he was no where near that darling, but nice try editing his personality in your head

sharex15:
Some say it wasn't really kidnapping that she eloped with rhaegar cause they loved each other

"Some say"

GMan650:
I love the sound of 'Baratheon', it suits Jon better than Targaeyan. Even Jon's charcter is more of a Baratheon than Targaeyan

And what really do you know about targaeryens? You think king aerys and viserys typify them? What about aemon dragonknight?

Yonce:
No it's Jon Snow.

only howland reed and Brandon stark know this, "you know nothing" knows nothing about this

Genea:
whether or not she is, she ain't dying anytime soon.. So go and rest

I will go and rest, after i enter my laptop and kill her myself!

armadeo:
Still holding my breathe. It's easier now.

Bwahahaha exactly what you said the last time.................right before I had to jump in and save you from drowning

Yonce:
Downfall- Everything

Bookish. Played the music of angels. Hair of Silver. Purple eyes. Private. A Skilled Fighter. Wise.

Rhaegar was also affected by the shadow of Summerhall, because he was " born in grief " and was considered melancholic at times. . . . .

He was loved by all and wasn't a huge fan of violence.

Best thing yet, the show hasn't ruined his image by casting a random actor with near features and not perfect features.

Was he all that? or just maybe your imagination of that Disneyland inch perfect prince charming?
Grow past Disney romance darling GRRM never creates flawless characters
My condolences on ruining that perfect image for you

Coyotejack:
All baratheon brothers are dent to the name baratheon

No, just renly

GMan650:
He's a dent to the name 'Baratheon'

stannis was a true baratheon through and through! He was the hapless victim of a charlatan selling a false religion for a high price! This can happen to the best of men. The real stain to the name baratheon was the unmanly renly, he was no stag! And there was no fury in him

Yonce:
I'm just trying to fill in the possible gaps in the story.
GRRM doesn't give us Rhaegar lovers a lot to work with.

What was it that smote you about him? The silver hair? Or is it his purple eyes? Or his sonorous voice?
What was your downfall? I know what i like in Danny

Yonce:
But when Meera told Bran the story, she said crannogmen didn't have the skills the Knight of the laughing tree possessed.

My theory is Howland learned how to wield a sword and ride a horse properly after this incident. It's doesn't speak well of a high born if mere squires bullied you and a 15 year old girl came to your rescue.

Remind me again with specifics, what skills meera told bran crannogmen lacked? Just want to be sure you're not reading details into conversations that profer none! Then again, its a theory and you're entitled to that much

Again why allow squires bully him? He was of high birth (his family ruled the Neck then, still do)
How did Howland go from being tossed in the mud by squires to unseating three trained Knights?!
Where did the skills suddenly come from?

So according to yonce, the only response to bullying is violence right? I wonder what Jesus Christ and ghandi would say about that? Never mind, he could fight, that much we know, until you can prove you trained him yourself, when he was trained becomes irrelevant. Jojen reed couldn't fight for obvious reasons, meera reed could, i wonder who taught her?

JhyMedex:
U got a a link to d trailer...
Share wit a bruh pls..

c'mon man, you should know i was only pulling a nameless bruvs legs

Yonce:
I checked the map, Harrenhal looks much closer to King's Landing as the crow flies.

But men aren't crows, are they?

Yonce:
I doubt he's even heard of one.

He's too busy sniffling Sansa's Stark and painting pictures of himself on the Iron Throne.

sounds like you two (baelish) will get on just fine together
Imagination and conjecturing fings

armadeo:
6 weeks to go. Lol. Ain't reading anything on this thread till am through.

A man can and will.

Valar morghulis.

Have you seen the new trailers?
Oh my word!
Oh my goodness!

I can't fit shout a beg
Shift lemme faint!
Trust me, no one thinks less of you on your impending failure to keep your promise, its like holding your breath for a long time, you can't be faulted for gasping for air now can you?

Yonce:
But where did his skill to ride a horse and joust suddenly come from. Meera said Howland was a crannogman and I believe they are not very skilled in battle except when they took lessons which I'm certain Howland didn't take.

assume a tad bit too much don't you? Why don't we stick to facts instead?
#fact how land reed was riding when he arrived at the tower of joy
#fact howland reed was a lord to be born to a lord, except samwell tarly, they all are trained by their fathers master at arms from a very young age
#fact not much was said about him before harrenhall, so we can't say he could not ride or he could for certain and if he could where and when he learned, but seeing as he rode into battle when Ned called his banners, the argument for he could ride trumps yours

Also when measly squires were shoving him to the dirt, he waited for a 15 year old girl to scare them away. . . . what a fighter

Yes, he fought alongside with Ned, and killed Arthur Dayne(in a cowardly way) but that was years later. Maybe he learned the way of the sword eventually.

he was a crannogman so yes naturally he wasn't predisposed to war, and his pursuits and adventures indicate that unlike most men his age, he like his son jojen, had more interest in the history and mysticism of the old religion than in war and for all that, crannogmen like all other men wage war when required as their history would indicate that they have previously been at war with the starks, the Boltons, the freys, with andal invaders alongside the starks and the boltons so that squashes your presumption..............again!

P.S Yonce isn't obviously coined from bey as you think, we are not in your head we thought in keeping with the GOT theme it was from bronze yohn Royce that venerable strongman of the vale and that's why we thought you a guy #fangurrrll
Nice reviews about your writing though, will check it out sometime, interesting reading?

Yonce:
It is. It's farther than Harrenhal for sure.

A map would help you here

HyDef:
Ned.

I could put Drogo second, but someone should toss Ygritte off that list. Good job Olly.

Ygritte is smoky hot naked I would revive her for another peek

Yonce:
Easy Landing.

Far away from King's Landing, hence she'd have enough time to settle in, organize her army. . . .scheme and send spies to infiltrate Westeros.

And she was born there.

I have been made to understand it is not far away

Santino1:
Not accurate. Dragonstone is the island that connects the Blackwater Bay to the Narrow Sea.




Because during peace and war, a deep sea port confers enormous advantage to Dragonstone. Since it is the primary link to Kings Landing via the Blackwater. You can imagine its importance to the trade and logistics of the capital. Even Ser Jaime said as much in the last episode that Dragonstone is the only logical place for Dany's armada to land because of the port (and not because it's Dany's ancestral home as someone purported here)

I stand corrected then, but still apart from its importance as a landing port for a foreign army when invading westeros, what strategic importance does it have when all the armies involved are local i.e a civil war? Kingslanding can change hands many times as it did in the dance of dragons but how will holding kingslanding determine the victor? And is kingslanding more vulnerable to attack from the sea via the blackwater or from land?

Yonce:
Howland Reed couldn't even fight or hold a sword. He was bullied by 3 squires younger than he was. . . .he was useless in the tournament.
Then Lyanna introduced him to her 4 brothers in a tent before she nursed his wounds. I think it was there and then that one of the Stark children decided to avenge their fellow Northman.

The Knight of the Laughing tree was smaller than most of the other competitors even smaller than Howland and rode his horse with grace (jousting is part how well you ride your horse)
Howland was useless on a horse.

Also the Knight had ill fitted, mismatched armour and a Sigil of a godswood with a smiling face.(why would Howland, a member of an established Northern house need a new unknown Sigil and carry worn out armour) The Knight also challenged the Knights of the three squires who bullied Howland and defeated them.

If the Knight was Howland, why would he hide behind an anonymous character?
The Knight was also a northerner but smallish (suggests strongly to be 15 year old Lyanna who rode horses better than most men)

Howland Reed couldn't have been the Knight. I strongly believed it was Lyanna. And when the Mad King sent Rhaegar to find out the identity of the Knight. . . Rhaegar reported that he never found the mystery Knight.

What if he did? And it was Lyanna and kept her secret because a woman. . .girl actually, couldn't enter the tourney. Maybe he was so impressed he just had to crown her QOLAB because she deserved to win something.

Hence the beginning of True love




Fangirl

Sorry fan girl

Howland reed was a good fighter, he was also a pacifist. Meaning he only fought when need demanded it! Kappish?
And he fought without his armor bearing his siegil because he wanted to teach the errant squires a lesson in humility without accrueing fame for himself so he required anonymity.
Also, he was at harrenhall rumor has it if jojen reed his son is to be believed anyway, on his way home back from the isle of faces, he was not there to joust or fight so the absence of any bit of weaponry or armor is thus explained. And remember howland reed campaigned with ned in battle throughout roberts rebellion and was at the tower of joy and Ned survived the sword of the morning thanks to him

HyDef:
Harrenhal is much more vital. Dragonstone is detached, that's why Stannis was chilling there while people were fighting on the mainland. I don't see how holding Dragonstone gives anyone a military advantage over someone holding Harrenhal.

Finally someone nails it!
Dragonstone's importance to Danny is mainly sentimental as her ancestral home chikena! There are other more strategic ports/bays/holdings she could have beached at that would put her within striking distance of kingslanding

Yonce:
Maybe cause it's at the edge of the Narrow sea.

I think

And what is strategic about that?

Yonce:
Yes. I read about the Knight of the Laughing Tree in the books.

It would be extremely out of character for Rhaegar to kidnap and even rape Lyanna.

Think about it, what could his motives have possibly been?

where did it explitly say that lyanna was the knight of the laughing tree? I would have thought that it is known that howland reed was the knight of the laughing tree and rhaegar never found out the said knight's identity! Abi which book i read sef? Or shey na you read am downside up? I no come know again oh!

My POV is Rhaegar The Dragonprince was awesome and didn't kidnap Lyanna or rape her. If he did why leave Arthur Dayne his most trusted confidant behind in Dorme and ride for the Trident?

You not a character in the world of ASOIAF are you? So why should you even have a POV? you have an opinion, which is a reflection of your outlook and another's POV at best, at worst we're just two mouthy GOT fanboys/addicts

Santino1:
Look at the map of Westeros again. Therein lies your answer.

I have, it shows dragonstone as an island at the entrance to the straits we call the sea of dorne and in the war amongst the living, how can it be more important than harrenhall in the bid to win control over westeros militarily?

Yonce:
Dragonstone seats on Dragon glass

Harrenhal seats on mud.

I mean as a strategic location in the battles to own westeros? As in battles among the living, what makes dragonstone more important than harrenhal?

Yonce:
Rhagear crownd Lyanna QOLAB not to spite Robert or to make anyone mad.

He did it because his father asked him to find out the identity of the Knight of the laughing tree who unseated the Knights whose squires had earlier bullied a northman (Meera Reed's father).

I think Rhaegar was impressed when he found out the Knight was actually Lyanna Stark hence why he crowned her QOLAB. The books never said she was expectionally beautiful, only pretty. . . . I think it was her fierce courage and big heart he crowned that day.

You must have read something i haven't, because his motives has only been speculated upon not established! He is even rumored to be the financial muscle of the whents in the staging of the harrenhal tourney, so let's stick to facts, he crowned lyanna QOLAB and appeared to kidnap and abscond with her, those two acts aren't worthy of a prince, the rest like they say is history

All I said was Ser Selmy is not a cunning man. He's loyal and truthful and does his duty.

If he says Rhaegar was a good man. I believe him.
[b]Good is always relative and from a person's perspective.

Everything I've read about Rhaegar points to a clam headed young man who was often too sad about his father's rule.

So far, nothing on the show seems to change that so he's a good man. [/quote]finally we agree on something! Was that so difficult? Even the universally acclaimed to be bad Ramsey Bolton had his kernel master's daughter as an admirer who only saw good in him so POV bro, its all about the POV

Rorachy:
.

Yeah stick that tongue of yours out darling, let me stick it to my tongue

HyDef:
The valonqar will get to her first.

This is TV not the books

Santino1:
I have tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to make the same point. Perhaps, you'll be luckier.

A case in point is Harrenhal. In season 2, we saw that when Gregor Clegane arrived, he was putting the people that held the castle (including the household staff and bandits the rounded up on the road) to the sword until Lord Tywin arrived and asked him to put the able bodied men to use not to the sword. Now the question is: If a sh*thole like Harrenhal was being guarded (and we don't for whom, like everyone is asking in case of Dragonstone), then it makes no sense that a more important Dragonstone would be left fallow.

What in the seven hells makes dragonstone more important than harrenhall?

Genea:
unku biko watch your tongue ooo, which one is cercei will die? Izz u well?

Is she your aunty? I will jest beet you nau! Cersei ko, sexy ni