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Dlordsamurai:
Exactly, one thing i noticed is the connection between them, they suddenly clicked with her and even offer her the first bite of the roasted meat and when she told them she wants to kill the queen, they paused and laugh but as time goes they will start beleiving in her and yea we will be hearing more victory songs from ED. I just feel whoever gets the throne will do that with the help of Arya, and just like hope in the originals, arya is actually now the most powerful and dangerous human in the whole of the seven kingdoms even without huge armies of hers. her fighting abilities and changing of face thing can make her take anybody including mother of dragons.

jhaqen Hagar is currently in oldtown so how can arya be the most powerful in westeros going by your rational of judging power?

gj22:
Lol. Easy for you to say.

Well i have a crystal ball called hindsight

Rorachy:
Why does Arya stark not want to visit the North and reunite with her siblings? She can't kill cersei all by herself. It will be very tedious.

Why can't she? Kill cersei i mean?

Yonce:
Uh, what?

I mean the act of taking depends on the taker and the takee we already know who the taker is, with a takee like Danny, erm, you just gotta ask nicely you know

So like i said, there's the small matter of who exactly you're taking from

Rorachy:
Are they related I mean jonsnow and Dany?

almost as related as i want to be with you darling

Yonce:
What is your grief with Ser Barristan?

Ser Barristan is a valiant knight and true; but none, I think, has ever called him cunning.


Ned in his POV in the books says he never thought of Rhaegar as a man who frquented brothels and that says alot.

Cersei even said that during the tournament at Harrenhal, the small folk cheered for Rhaegar than anyone else. Including her own father Tywin.

The only characters who have something foul to say about the guy had personal hate for him.
I believed he was loved by all to the point that even the Mad King(his father) felt threatened by him.

Yes he was all goody goody two shoes until he crowned lyanna stark queen of love and beauty at harrenhal in the presence of all the gentry of the realm irrespective of whose ox was gored and all that followed as they say is history on Ned's POV, aren't we saying the same thing?
Barristen selmy was kings guard, of course he would murder a suckling infant on rhaegar's orders and rationalize it as being necessary for the realm, his oath commands that of him i.e see no evil! Unlike Jamie who saw and recognized the evil for what it was and coped by daydreaming about screwing cersei until he did something about it and in the process broke his oath and yet people call him a bad guy! purrrrlleeeeeeaaazzzz selmy saw no evil while the red keep itself was sh**t deep in it! And don't tell me he knew rhaegar did it for an altruistic purpose! Ser Arthur dayne was rhaegars confidant, not him.

Yonce:
Well it actually follows. Few characters have spoken of him and only fewer are currently old enough to remember him clearly.

Viserys said Rhaegar loved violence and was an amazing fighter but Viserys was just about 2 years so how could he remember clearly.

Robert killed Rhaegar so he won't say anything nice about him.

Ned never spoke ill of the dragon prince even in the books. Me thinks if someone raped sister, I'd curse him out if I had the chance.

I'm going to go as far as saying, Rhaegar probably married Lyanna at Harrenhal before they eloped to Dorne because a prince wouldn't leave his best swordsmen to protect an ordinary northern girl and his bastard. Except of course she were his wife carrying a legitimate heir

Ned doesn't speak about rhaegar simple! He didn't not say Ill about him, he just had his doubts about whether he was all evil with no redeeming qualities as Robert painted him, this is the same Ned who while in the dungeon in kingslanding was busy humanizing cersei lannister the architect of his woes rationalizing that she did what she had to do as a mother and wouldn't really fault her! Simply put, it was in neds nature to see some good in people, the only person who spoke about him from a knowledgeable position was ser barristen selmy, and we both know what his opinion was worth in this case.

Yonce:
But Yara didn't take what she wanted from Dany. . . She asked

there's the small matter of who you take it from

JhyMedex:
L;DL abt d Orchestra bit.. Wicked!!!
Wldnt want to get in ur bad side

ma beef wit d smirk Is ,Dey using it too frequently.. it's getting boring!!!...

Arya leaves house of black n white to return to WINTER FELL.. she smiles 4 d camera..
Sansa murders Ramsay at WINTER FELL .. she smiles 4 d camera
Arya kills d Freys.. guess what!!!...

Gud guess!!!

I see your point

Yonce:
Oh! I see.

Maybe he'd want a Lannister queen by his side.

Finally you get the question, it is not on a real greyjoy to ask for what they want, it is their creed to take whatever they want! Euron asking is him just playing to cersei's gallery. Cersei knows this too and that is why she is keeping ser strong closer than ever

Yonce:
Because Yara and Theon beat him to an alliance with Dany.

you don't seem to understand the question

Coyotejack:
Ummmm I wouldn't agree with u on the magic part, Arya was present in Riverrun with the houndwhen the red wedding took place, where soldiers even gloated about it and it's also tatics 101 to kill all the able bodies present and leave the girls / women to tell of the tales hence her sparing those girls

it is a TV fact that the magic of the faceless men is more than just glamor(red priestess) and will pass serious magical scrutiny because it allows you actually become the person whose face you're wearing with their memories intact and that's why they're called faceless because they lack an identity of their own

Yonce:
To win her heart

To marry the queen

To rule the Seven (or is it still 3?) kingdoms

To win an alliance with the rich Lannisters

To betray her eventually and seize the throne.

To elevate the Ironborn and the Drowned God

The possibilities are endless.

no not really, who has the power when you hand over the launch codes and nuclear football of a nuclear arsenal to a supposed ally? You or the ally?

Littlefinger:
Trust me, it's happening soon.

but isn't your finger too little

Gbola5:
No Castle is ever vacant though, unless in ruins. Stannis would have had to leave a garrison behind, in case he had to fall back.

A garrison wiped out by cersei? Not properly manned and whose defenders would have fled at the sight of a thousand ships flying the three headed dragon on their sail

kay9:
But that's the thing: is he really fawning over her, or he is just setting up the board for another ace-in-the-hole move? Folks be feeling like its Sansa playing him this time but i personally wouldn't underestimate Littlefinger.

I wouldn't underestimate baelish either, but unless you can tell me baelish's affections for cathelyn stark were false, you can't honestly rule out his having transferred his affections to sansa which wouldn't stop him from using her as a stepping stone to achieve his ultimate aim which is the iron throne! The question is, is sansa aware what his real desire is? I think yes, with him having admitted this to her on more than one occasion which is an unusual thing to do for baelish, so sansa abdicating the throne in winterfell in favor of Jon was no mistake rather a strategic move to keep him at bay and give her time to come to grips with the game of thrones and the fact that she was also a player. Baelish still staying at winterfell means Jon's life is in danger and sansa knows this too even if Jon isn't aware, sansa intends to protect Jon even without his permission and entrap baelish! My personal musings though

Gbola5:
Frey's not respected after the Red Wedding. Mass killing is okay if you avenge your family ?

You'll notice that it was only the Frey males of the age of combat duty that were invited to the feast where she killed them implying that she had a partiality for those she believed were implicated as active murderers at the red wedding! Also, the magic of the faceless men of bravos which came into play here implies that in wearing walder Frey's face, she had access to his thoughts and memories too so she knew who to kill to send winters message to house Frey so yes, mass killing is allowed

TheKingIsHere:
I don't think you guys should judge Jon snow on the decision he took to save his youngest brother. Haba, Ramsey gave him a time frame to come save him(yes it was obviously a trap) but he was willing to save his brother even if it cost him his life. His men knew that they stood no chance against Ramsey's army yet to chose to fight with him to the end. His men would have just walked away the way Stanis men did, but they stood by him till the end. That is loyalty to a high quality leader.

Battles are not always about numbers, they are more about strategy or tactics, Jon is all heart and no brain. They stood a fair chance of winning, he made the decision to save his brother with his heart, if he had used his head he would had admitted the truth that sansa the one you called useless told him which is whether victorious or not, rickon as a trueborn son of Ned and catelyn stark, would never be allowed to live beyond that day by Ramsey Bolton! And you congratulate him for being willing to die forgetting that his ragtag Arny was built around him with no secondary commander that commands the respect of the different constituents of the army so simply put, he dies, they die without putting much of a fight! In fact, most of his men died in that battle because of his stupidity! They left a solid defensive position to come save him thereby committing into an attack in which they were grossly outnumbered! Playing into Ramsey's hand allowing him to execute his plans where all he needed to do was sacrifice only his Calvary alongside almost the entirety of Jon's army while mopping any remnants and stragglers with his infantry in a circumvalliation! And you are here praising Jon! Who had to be saved by sansa who brought the vale knights. When Jamie was captured, did you see tywin flying with his army to go rescue him? Instead he retired to a strong defensive position in harrenhall. Now that is a leader who used his head

JhyMedex:
Boss I dnt think it's bn decades since dragon stone was used...
that was basically whr King Stannis stayed b4 riding up North...

And yeah d part abt Arya smiling after killing d Freys was so nt cool..Cmon!!!
And I think Sansa gave a smirk too to d camera after killing Ramsay ...

Yea. the Euron scene.. arguably the Best bit of acting 4 episode 1...

Littlefinger is the Mozart of this orchestra called Westeros...
He's always got a trick up his very long sleeves.. and a spare card to play all the time ..
I jst hope Sansa isn't overplaying hers


Valar Morghulis!!!

And why shouldn't arya smile after the genocide?
Imagine watching your loved ones murdered before you as a kid and memorizing and reciting their names nightly in hope of retribution and finally getting the retribution, i will even have an orchestra performing to the beat of their diminishing heartbeats if it were me! so me, I think the smile is in order

Yonce:
Yes!
L L


He was so gorgeous!! With purple eyes and hair as white as cotton.
He was however always sad and read a whole lot. If he wasn't reading, he was playing his harp (music it angels which made women whip at the dinner table)

Everyone loved Rhaegar including Cersei and Lyanna

Tell us something we haven't read of before from the rose flavored honey colored do no harm, see no evil perspective of see barristen selmy

armadeo:
space


still on the matter.

presssssssss plaaaaaaaaaaay

You're on a loooooooooooooooooong thang

TheKingIsHere:
This makes sense and I agree partially, however, you fail to tell us why Jon isn't a good leader.

he rules with his heart and follows the code of honor as a stark, this only works in an ideal world where all men are honorable! A good leader like tywin will rather not fight a battle he can't win e.g against Robb preferring to form alliances and slay him and his army at a wedding. My point is the goodness of a leader is judged by results

TheKingIsHere:
E be like say your data is in slow motion or something? I shared my thoughts and gbola5 pointed out some corrections which I acknowledged, so what exactly is the essence of this your post again?

I just log in dey play catch up no vex abeg, na back back i been dey I don dey near front sha

TheKingIsHere:
What is your point because you are yet to make any sense with this your post.

As for asking for baylish gain, I SMH, why? Because nobody knows what exactly baylish plans to do. He is one of the smartest and cunning character in the series. Baylish masterminded the main plot of the War of the Five Kings. What was his plan? No one knows.

piece the puzzle together then you'll get my point

Yonce:
The mad king wasn't a brute?!!!
Come on!

Yes we know him. Other characters have spoken well of him so far, they said he played his harp and women wept. The people loved him, even Cersei wanted to marry him and Dany idolized him. Only Robert Baratheon blatantly hated him.

Rhaegar and Lynna ran away together, the only crime he committed was that he left his pregnant wife to shag his Lady Lyanna.

emphasis on "mad" before he turned mad he was an ambitious king with a penchant for extravagant goodwill projects to capture the imagination of his subjects, they weren't feasible anyway

Akanniade:
I find Euron greyjoy act in cersei's court rather bland . A better actor should have been casted for his role.

the best is yet to come and reading eurons winds of winter snippets doesn't help too just modify your expectations! It will be extremely hard to bring his book personality to life

Yonce:
No she wasn't

It will be extremely out of character for Rhaegar to have kidnapped or raped Lyanna. He wasn't a savage brute like his father or the average Westerosi man.

oh really? so you've met him? What was he like?

Gbola5:
Rickon is wild like Shaggydog, and had a greendream.
Robb finds a secret passage into a Lannister camp because of Greywind, and is noted for sitting still for hours staring at a map and not moving.
Sansa has a scene where docile old blind dog suddenly becomes aggressive to protect her from a singer who wanted to abuse her. She starts dreaming of the Hound(Sandor Clegane) alot.

Thank goodness someone else gets it!

Coyotejack:
Please note all old and new(ish ) religion originated from old valyria - correct me if I am wrong

wrong!

TheKingIsHere:
Oya,i Don read am. Wetin be my score Oga teacher

Write the exam and get okondo over 100 first

Yonce:
Lmao

George actually said that Lady (Sansa's direwolf) dying earlier than her litter mates made Sansa a little lost and adrift hence why you might tag her "useless"

lost and adrift means a connection was broken and where a connection was broken, there once existed a connection and the connection that existed was the connection of a warg so simply put, all stark brats are wargs! That they didn't know enough to recognize this ability of theirs for what it was and put it down to it being a "natural or mystical" connection to the spirit of the siegil of their house doesn't mean that north of the wall, those to whom the old superstitions and ways aren't just fairy tales won't recognize them for what they were! Those like varymir sixskins. Only two or maybe three families were of current date possessing the dormant ability to warg in westeros south of the wall, the starks and the targaeryans and maybe the reeds of blackwater watch, one produced the three eyed raven and another the blood raven. That is enough circumstantial evidence

Gbola5:
At this point Jaime has no story of his own, he only serves Cersei's story, like an accessory. This is one change i don't like. She does the exact thing he kills his king for; branding him the Kingslayer title, and he's still attached to her at every turn.

two words "love" and "family"