FreeIgboho: Nope. See the reason below. And by the way, what kind of people appoints a foreigner to be head of their army and lead invasion of his own homeland with all the possible casualties of his own people? Were there no qualified Biafrans at all? Not very wise people!
I'm not Ojukwu and the information you posted there is not detailed enough.
Biafra - they could have pushed on to Lagos and captured Lagos and Gowon because Nigerian Army was not yet in war mode - like Castro, Charles Taylor, Syrian rebels, and many other rebel groups have done
No, I have something but you can't see it because you don't want to, on Biafra war, that was what the Igbos did and didn't succeed at the time...
The Islamic north will learn the hard way, they think Igbos are their major enemies, shebi they are following Tinubu to do Muslim Muslim ticket, no wahala, next time even if they see Igbos picking MNK for president if they like they should not click follow...
Igbos abeg when the fireworks start, na to sit down dey look them, we have no hand in the nonsense they brought upon themselves thinking they were trying to teach Igbos a lesson
FreeIgboho: You are indeed not too smart. Even the screenshot you posted is contradictory - they had high rates of suicide and that explained why they were so numerous amongst the enslaved!
You are stuck on some mythical "Igbos" as perceived by one Briton, when ALL you've been told to do is NAME ONE THING IGBOS HAVE DONE in modern times to justify all this chest beating. If you had said "See how they fought to the last man like Spartans", but no, they surrendered and their leader ran away. OR "see how they died to free MNK" but no they killing themselves and sitting at home, and destroying their own homeland
You are making me laugh here because if by now you don't know the Igbos and with the things I have shown you then even if I list more, how do you convince me now that you will know?
FreeIgboho: Ok, I see you are not very smart so I'll be patient with you Biafra was winning the war at the beginning- they captured the entire Midwest and appointed a governor for them and were on their way to Lagos.
You keep saying "you don't know Igbos" but can't mention one thing Igbos did!
North and South are not Europe. They're not even South Africa. Any Igbo who dared remain there would be a treated as 10th class citizen, if not mysteriously disappereared!
So Biafra were winning the war right, how were they supposed to completely win the war and end it?
See, you don't know the Igbos, don't just worry yourself about me mentioning anything because if by now you don't know the Igbos after living with them this long then I doubt telling you may help you...
That's why I said you don't know the Igbos...
Britain who kept referring to the Igbos as rebellious during colonial times, you think they just used that word for fun?
They knew what their eyes saw with trying to subdue and control the Igbos
You don't know the Igbos...
They were the only tribe the British called rebellious in Nigeria, go and read many manuscripts of the colonial times in Nigeria...
You don't know the Igbos even after staying so long with them, one of the major reason they are hated by the Islamic north and the Tribal south west...
FreeIgboho: I am discussing with someone who doesn't understand English. I never said Biafra won the Civil War, I said Biafra was WINNING the war in the beginning, which is a historical fact. But that aside, you were told to mention ONE thing Igbos have DONE to warrant all you said. You couldn't mention one.
The funny and most amazing thing is that you are from the LEAST AUTONOMOUS tribe in the country. Yorubas wanting to separate may make a bit of sense. But Igbos? How can so many of you be established in other parts of the country yet YOU are the one talking separation? It'll make a bit if sense if Igbos stayed in Igbo land, but no, they're in large numbers all over the country! The whole thing is BIZZARE! It's like if Nigeria and South Africa were one country, Nigerians in South Africa saying they want to separate!
As for everything else you wrote, Nigeria is here to stay despite it's flaws. Like Ojukwu said, it's too late to be talking of separation. Stop wasting your time and energies. Direct them to something more productive ** AND even if by some miracle there were separation it is the Igbos that will be most cheated!
Winning a war that has not ended is different from winning a war that has ended, then for your separation analysis, you don't know the Igbos that's why you talk this way, Igbos will keep going to other regions to make money, that is Igbo for you, so using that as a yardstick for separation is not logical for an Igbo man.
Except the people there become hostile then we might leave, separation is different from repatriation, we don't want to be Nigerians, that is the major point, are Nigerians not living in almost every country of the world, are Yorubas not plenty in UK who are not British citizens?
So why can't Igbos be plenty in Nigeria if they separate and have their own country?
Why must Igbos case be treated differently by you people?
Don't you see there is a problem with you people and your type of ideology?
You are equally free to come settle in Biafra land, we don't just want to share government and citizenship with you people, is that too much to ask for?
kayjordan: The reality I'm far from is the illusion most Nigerians live in.
Psychologically - emotions of people are heavier than concrete evidence. People are wired to love, hate, enjoy and express happiness and anger - emotions are often times less controllable except if conscious about them.
People are used to certain patterns of things - they further make judgments on future events based on those patterns and discard investigations - this afterwards, is disseminated to the public who believe in these patterns therefore, creating a chain of unbelievers or critics.
After that as well - these criticisms are passed down generations.
I'm not against your feelings and Nigerians feelings. Your feelings are valid based on your experiences.
My opinion about government too is based on my experiences and knowledge.
If you bring your experience and my experience together - it will be 50/50.
But because people have a fear of defeat - they wouldn't agree to 50/50 - instead, they would go the bias route and make it 70/30 (for example).
In a nutshell: the above simply means - "don't conclude on things you are not certain of" - always be neutral and do not defame anyone in government who is not deserving of it.
I have always been neutral but with a slight lean towards government - because of what I've been informed with.
You are absolutely on the people's side because of what they have informed you with.
So, you are not a Prophet nor do you have psychic powers to make people come beg you based on your revelations.
Neither am I a psychic. I only state facts and weigh them.
If I support the government - it means I'm looking at the numbers.
If I support the people - I'm also looking at the numbers.
If the government is bad - then the people are bad.
If the people are bad - the government is bad too.
Government sanctions - the people bribe.
The government fails - the people lament.
The reason why government's complaints against the citizens isn't heard is because the complaints of the masses outnumber that of the government - so the only voice the government has is "Enforcement". The media is captured by the masses.
Government is tough business - If you run a small organisation today - you will have a micro-understanding why leadership requires balls than emotions.
I have told you, Nigeria is not a nation, Nigeria is not a country, Nigeria was not supposed to formed as a country because it was deceitfully formed, don't worry about your beliefs, you can keep them, but let me just tell you straight which you will see with your eyes with time revealing it to you...
You don't love Nigerians, you don't even love your people, I doubt you even love yourself, The Nigeria you claim you love, you don't love Nigeria, I know you will not believe me but time will reveal it to you.
I told Tinubu supporters the outcome of Tinubu becoming president and they didn't believe, today some have come back to apologize...
So I don't need you to believe me, time will do that for me...
aswani: Same North that despite all they do to Ndigbo, una still not wan comot.
Ndi Yoruba are quite open anyway, no xenophobic behaviour about them
When last did you hear any attack on the Igbos in the north ?
even before Buhari left power...
The problem with you people is you don't know the Igbos, Igbos will go anywhere they can make money even if it is in the north, you people have lived so long but still very far from knowing Igbos...
it is very hard to drive Igbos from a place they are making money...
kingsavage: lol when Nigeria divides, the xenophobia igbos will face in the SW will be worse than that of south Africa
Xenophobia will the last thing the SW will even think of by the time Igbos are done with them if they ever try or even think of trying it, I doubt it will come up as a thought to any South westerner...
You don't know the Igbos, even the north will not even think in that direction...
You say: you're not trying to fight the government but if the government proves stubborn, you will fight back - Note that: The government called Nigeria with the three regions in one, is a recognised legal entity - and you also are a legal entity - Nigeria as an entity has the right to defend it territory - and you as a citizen/entity, have the right to protect your rights.
The tinubu supporter's alleged behaviour of thinking critics are jobless remains an opinion.
Your fight is a long and big fight - and may require generations. Fighting the government has two meanings : War or Peaceful Protest. You say, you're not intending to wage war except if provoked. The stage of getting provoked, should be avoided - because the government is much bigger than a single entity or group.
A peaceful protest also, will be seen as treason - and the government will not allow it.
If you approach international organisations to uphold your fight for a separation - they may consider your application faintly - and you would have to prove to them why your country isn't meant to be together.
Saying Nigeria isn't meant to be together is probably fuelled by your orientation. Countries of the world were initially referred to lands, kingdoms and empires - and historically they were never called countries until civilisation came and some of these lands and kingdoms merged to form countries that we know today.
It's just like saying America isn't meant to be a country because it was first inhabited by the Red indians - and now the Red indians want it back.
The real histories of countries have been distorted for centuries - some stories have been fabricated, some told accurately over time - leading to series of land disputes globally.
The last history of Nigeria we can pick up from is from the Amalgamation story - and this was deliberately done to create a unified government. For some reason, after the Amalgamation elapsed, Nigerian government still remained together - and it was likely triggered by the natural resources in respective regions.
So - there must have been an agreement by all regions to remain together and consolidate all natural resources in regions to build a ONE economy and a ONE government.
The unification made the country "Nigeria" stronger economically - if regions were to have their independence, regions might appear as poor nations.
Therefore the retaining of all regions to create a rich country instead.
You mentioned "Record Breaking" - are you implying that you want to break this separation record? - It would be interesting to know how that will work.
Nobody has a 360 degrees understanding of Nigeria - but what I subjectively believe is that Nigeria is supposed to work with full cooperation of all stakeholders. Problems will continue to exist in Nigeria and globally - and thats why a government is created to address these problems.
If the world is free from problems - then there would be no need for a government or a solution provider.
Even if you create your own country - you will inherit the Nigerian culture into your region and still have the same problem as Nigeria - and your government will have to fix it. Once a Nigerian, always a Nigerian even if you change nationality.
You were once patriotic but no more - simply because of differing ideologies? - or is it because of bad governance? If you create a new country , you will still receive a carbon copy of the same problem regardless whether you know yourselves better.
The problem with people of Nigeria is self centeredness, impatience and gullibility. The emotional energy of Nigerians is greater than their logical senses - And globally as well, all citizens of countries are the same.
The people through the powers of enculturation, socialization, environment, media propaganda and poverty have been configured to always see the governments of the world as enemies - these same people too go into governments once they have an opportunity - and join the government bandwagon and some of them may even say to themselves "that they too have suffered and now they want to enjoy now that they're in government ".
I understand the system fairly as opposed to your submission that I don't. There's a likelihood that you're are after "Power".
You probably complain because the mannah didn't drop at your doorstep - If it did, but didn't drop at your next door neighbour's doorstep, you will most likely not be bothered.
This is probably the real problem - everybody wants the mannah at their doorsteps - but they do not want to hear the excuse of "mannah is limited for the population". If they hear that - they will gang up against the government.
So, Tinubu is not a saboteur in the legal sense. He's elected to solve problems. The deprivation of basic amenities is what feels sabotaging because most people aren't getting them - but a few people are getting them and they are citizens that can testify.
So these few beneficiaries of good governance so to say - are the only group the government can truly afford to help at the moment.
Chai! I see I'm discussing with someone who is very far from reality, you don't know Nigeria and probably don't even live here, you don't know the Igbos, you have little to no information about the core problems of Nigeria.
You say my fight to have a country of my own may require generations, I don't pray for it to require generations,I pray for it to happen in my generation and in my youthful period...
I've read your long write up and I wanted to reply you based on what you wrote but I think it might just be a waste of time and energy doing that, there is something I usually tell Tinubu supporters, Time will let you know what I have been saying here, you don't need to agree with me, Time will do it for you...
There are Tinubu supporters who have come back to apologize to me based on what I told them before Tinubu became president and what is happening now, aside Tinubu, the same with what I am saying about Nigeria now, I don't need you to agree with me, I only need to tell you and Time will do the rest whether you agree or not.
Babinski: When a team fails, every member gets the general blame regardless of whether you took an active role or not. Yemi Osinbajo had the choice of resigning his position. So, yes you can blame him. And to crown it all, the Igbo need to realize that they have major blame in how our country has turned out. Trying to climb on an imaginary high pedestal while shouting "Nigeria is a Zoo" is being economical with the truth.
It is so ironic that the same Igbo wouldn't mind being President of the same Zoo. Would Obi have declared Biafra immediately if he somehow became the President of Nigeria?
So if Osinbajo comes out tomorrow for presidency, are you going to vote him?
Since you people don't want to let them have their country, we will continue contesting ...
FreeIgboho: Can you tell us ONE thing Igbos have done that warrants all this you're writing. They lost the civil war DESPITE initially winning and going all the way to Ore, and despite having South South in their corner. The North removed Ironsi after only 6 months and have dominated the military since. Ojukwu was pardoned and ran for president. How does that tally with fear? To add to all this, can you tell us HOW it benefits Igbos to have a land-locked country?? Remember, South South and their oil and ports are gone. Vast number of Igbos are in other parts of Nig. They'd now all be foreigners to be kicked out at will. You folks should THINK sometimes. The Ahmadu Bello yiu talked about, how many Northerners were ranking military when he said that compared to today. How many were top govt officials? See the tape below - he said he'd hire "another Nigerian" last
For you to say Igbos initially won the civil war means you know little to nothing about everything you wrote here, Igbos never initially won the war and did not win that war, you know little to nothing about Nigeria, no wonder you people behave the way you behave, you people are either not detailed, ,misinformed, wrongly assume or just live in self deceit and denial...
That's one major reason Nigeria is the way it is since you people and the north have been handling Nigeria, if as at now you don't know that Nigeria was not supposed to be a country and may never function as a country, you are still far from reality...
I will tell you another major problem you people have with the Igbos, Igbos are explicit with the truth and that's one thing I have noticed you people hate.
You know little to nothing about Nigeria or just simply living in self denial, look at the trajectory of Nigeria, you think Nigeria is where it is today because of PDP and APC?
No, Nigeria is where it today because of ideological differences, some countries wouldn't have lasted 5 years with such ideological differences, we don't reason alike...
What kept Nigeria to exist and stay a bit united this long was the long years of military rule back to back in the past, I know you may not understand but once civilian rule starts these ideological problems starts springing up, I've done my research and found out that the longer democracy stays the more these ideological problems of Nigeria may keep getting bigger, then end of problems is will either be division or killing the wrong ideologies of certain regions, I'm not here to support military rule, no, but based on my research this is just Nigeria for you.
Even the British knew this but somehow they wanted Nigeria as a country for their selfish interest, and that is what you people are killing yourselves and your fellow African tribes in Nigeria to keep existing...
You know little to nothing about Nigeria if you actually believe what you wrote up there...
FreeIgboho: Amazing, simply amazing. None is so blind as one who refuses to see. "You don't know Igbos"!. So why is MNK in jail all this time despite Igbos? So why is SE militarized despite Igbos. Abd why not tell us why the North stopped attacking Igbos (according to you) and what it has to do with knowing Igbos? Mention one thing that results in knowing Igbos. Amazing, simply amazing. Burying head in the sand and refusing to take it out!
All the questions you asked here is because of the same reason I am talking about, "the fear of the Igbos" ....
The question you should be asking is why the south east is more militarized than the north even though south east is far more safer than the north?
What is the fear of Nigeria about the south east?
The answer is what I just told you...
You don't know the Igbos, that's why, the people who know are the people either acting in fear or respect of the Igbos...
That's why some of them are ready to do anything to make sure the status quo remains like this for the Igbos in Nigeria, sadly that decision is pulling Nigeria backwards and destroying it, it is like a man hating his legs and instead, ties his legs to keep the leg from moving but forgetting that his body won't move either but keeps trying and believing he will move with his legs tied...
In a candid 1964 interview with foreign journalists, Sir Ahmadu Bello stated he would rather employ foreigners than Igbos in the northern civil service, citing fears of Igbo domination.
That's just the situation of Nigeria, It didn't just start today, you don't know the Igbos...
FreeIgboho: You know the Igbos better than Ojukwu who led the fight for secession but later in life said the time for that had passed. South Africans kill Igbos constantly and if it weren't that it is a somewhat westernized country with many enlightened citizens it'd be worse. The West and South South are not like that. They'd take Igbo's property and their Police will look the other way (remember, it'd now be THEIR Police, and THEIR courts and judges and Supreme Courts). Stop being in denial of what will certainly happen
It is you who is living in self denial and doesn't know the Igbos, why do you think the south east is the most militarized region in Nigeria even before MNK started IPOB?
Was south east the most dangerous place to live at the time?
The problem with you guys is you people are not detailed and miss a who lot of things, why do you think the north has stopped attacking the Igbos in the north?
Even while Buhari was in power.
When last did you hear of any attack?
The only place noise is still being made against the Igbos in Nigeria is the south west and the reasons are now very clear, it is not even about Tinubu if that's what you think...
You guys have lived so long with the Igbos and don't know the Igbos, the ones who know among you are either scared of seeing the Igbos have their own country or simply give the Igbos respect.
But for you, you are still far from reality, like I always tell you guys, time will reveal it to you even if you don't want to know...
My point is that Igbo and the North dominated the first 2 or 3 Republics and it is odd that the Igbo have suddenly become purported political victims to be pitied as being narrated by some.
Below is an overview of Nigeria's republics, presidents, vice presidents, and senate presidents from independence to date. Note the absence of Southwest representation in the First, Second and Third Republics. In the Fourth Republic, South Eastern Region has Goodluck Jonathan as President for 6 years in addition to Senate Presidents.
First Republic (1963-1966) - President: Nnamdi Azikiwe (1963-1966) - Prime Minister: Abubakar Tafawa Balewa (1960-1966) - Senate President: Nnamdi Azikiwe (1960), Dennis Osadebay (1960-1963), Nwafor Orizu (1963-1966)
Second Republic (1979-1983) - President: Shehu Shagari (1979-1983) - Vice President: Alex Ekwueme - Senate President: Joseph Wayas (1979-1983)
Third Republic (1992-1993) - President: Ibrahim Babangida (1985-1993), Ernest Shonekan (1993) - Vice President: Augustus Aikhomu, Oladipo Diya - Senate President: Iyorchia Ayu (1992-1993), Ameh Ebute (1993)
Fourth Republic (1999-Present) - Presidents: - Olusegun Obasanjo (1999-2007) - Umaru Musa Yar'Adua (2007-2010) - Goodluck Jonathan (2010-2015) - Muhammadu Buhari (2015-2023) - Bola Tinubu (2023-present) - Vice Presidents: - Atiku Abubakar (1999-2007) - Goodluck Jonathan (2007-2010) - Namadi Sambo (2010-2015) - Yemi Osinbajo (2015-2023) - Kashim Shettima (2023-present) - Senate Presidents: - Evan Enwerem (1999) - Chuba Okadigbo (1999-2000) - Anyim Pius Anyim (2000-2003) - Adolphus Wabara (2003-2005) - Ken Nnamani (2005-2007) - David Mark (2007-2015) - Bukola Saraki (2015-2019) - Ahmed Lawan (2019-2023) - Godswill Akpabio (2023-present)
So that means we can also blame Yemi Osinbajo for the bad governance Buhari did abi?
And for that reason we should never support him to become president if he comes out tomorrow abi?
FreeIgboho: I can assure you 90% of Igbos who are established in the West don't want to wake up one day to find they're in a foreign country. You see how South Africans treat Nigerians, it will be 100 times worse. The North is a different matter - they won't agree to separation. So the whole thing is a waste of time!
100 times worse? Then you don't know the Igbos...
Those who know are the ones scared of letting the Igbos govern themselves by themselves...
You don't know the Igbos, even south Africa will stop that nonsense if it was a Biafran only country...
I just notice you have people have lived with the Igbos for long but know very little about the Igbos.
I used to tell my brothers something, that if Nigeria was only the north and the Igbos there would have been just mainly 2 outcomes:
1. Nigeria would have split peacefully a long time ago without fight or
2. The north and the Igbos would have been living in peace with clear cut boundaries and respect for each other.
It is the Yorubas who keep giving the north the confidence to do nonsense...
[quote author=Babinski post=137950019][/quote]The north took advantage of it? Only the north ?
So OBJ is now a northerner?
Secondly all the people and positions you mentioned didnt have absolute power if not you should have also included Osinbajo to take the blame like Alex Ekwueme....
The VP position is only limited to whatever power the president gives him if not Osibanjo would have been blamed with Buhari for bad governance...
Babinski: I will like the author to answer thse simple questions:
1. Why did Nnamdi Azikiwe of NCNC choose to play second fiddle to NPN when he could obviously have a better deal with Awolowo's AG to form National Government?
2. Why did Azikiwe (South East) and his group support a Unitary Government when the Ahmadu Bello (North) and Awolowo (Southwest) supported Federalism (an arrangement where the Regions are stronger than the Fderal center)? Note that if Nigeria has been a loose Federalism system as the North wanted, it would have been very easy for South East to pull out and become Biafra without bloodshed.
3. Why did Aguiyi Ironsi (a South Easterner) pursue Unitary Government through decrees once he attained power, which led to the current mess we found ourselves?
4..How did Azikiwe conveniently escaped the first coup by traveling out?
5. Why did Azikiwe secretly offer to support Aguiyi Ironsi's Government in any role given to him despite thr fact that same displaced the government in which Azikiwe was the President?
I am not trying to absolve the British of their own role as colonial masters after their own interests. However, I am tried of the Igbo blaming everyone but themselves.
Ok, let's even assume everything you said here is true, why haven't the Yorubas and the notherners corrected all these errors after over 50 years of ruling Nigeria without the Igbo's?
Is it that you people are enjoying the errors of an Igbo man or just simply not intelligent or smart enough to correct those errors?
FreeIgboho: Because lots of Igbos in other parts of the country don't want it and even those who went home for Xmas will soon be rushing back. And the North doesn't want it for what they benefit. And most of the West really don't care one way or another except those that fought a war to prevent it
And what is your understanding of separation ?
I think you people keep doing the mistake of mixing up separation with repatriation....
It doesn't happen like that, are Nigerians not in Ghana and almost every country in the world?
Even countries that separated still have their citizens living in both countries, you think if Nigeria divides today then the Igbos will pack their load and start going to the east?
It doesn't work like that, as long as they are citizens of west Africa, they will continue living and doing business where ever they are just like Nigerians in Ghana, Togo and so on.
So yes I believe more than 90% of Igbos dont want to be Nigerian citizens...
FreeIgboho: But this is IMPOSSIBLE. Why not work towards somethings that is at least possible. There is no consensus among any group (even Igbos) that there be separation. How do you separate people who don't want to be separated?
Burob: You know his point exactly, you stated it in your first paragraph.
If that is his point then he made no point, it is like trying to accuse Americans of killing themselves and still equally saying every part of the world also kills themselves, then why single out Americans alone in the first place if everybody is doing the same thing?
There is a reason people are specific with Fulani own he is trying to defend, do you hear of Yorubas, Igbos or Calabar going to the north or outside of their region to go killing people in their farms, kidnapping and raping their women ?
That's what makes the major difference here, so what he is saying both in defense of Fulani and the point that is pointless does not justify giving excuse to not blame the Fulanis...
I just keep wondering why you people love people who kill you people?
I mean if it were the Igbos doing what Fulanis are doing in Nigeria and in Yoruba land, is this what both you and him will come here and be saying?
In a candid 1964 interview with foreign journalists, Sir Ahmadu Bello stated he would rather employ foreigners than Igbos in the northern civil service, citing fears of Igbo domination.
The moment you understand why Nigeria is the way it is today, you will be seeking the dissolution if you really love to have a country that works, except you don't seek to have a country that works...
FreeStuffsNG: If these ones have not been tracked down by DSS and arrested, the loes that it was Fulani herdsmen causing the kidnap and murder of southerners would have continued to circulate.
These are Akwa Ibom/Cross Rivers people abducting their own trained Healthcare professionals from same state and wasting their lives. Smh.
Like Yorubas are not doing the same and northerners are not doing the same?
kayjordan: Pardon me if you think i misjudged you. What I meant by "put energy/focus into yourself and career" is - instead of embarking on a time consuming journey, you should continue with your life as an individual - be it your job or other things that matter to you.
Your agitation is a selfless act - I quite understand - but you are different (Unique) - unlike many Nigerians that just want to mind their businesses and focus on their families instead.
Unlike the image you've created about Tinubu's supporters assuming critics of his administration are poor or jobless, cannot be totally accurate - as i didn't have that initial impression.
I respect the fact that persons regardless of financial status, should fight for the voiceless. The government needs good opposition - but not an unhealthy one.
The Mandela quote you put down is significant - but it doesn't change the existing facts on ground. It's worth trying if you may....but what ultimately matters is continuity - will the grandchildren of agitators keep up the fight?
And persons have tried this agitation severally - so it's been done contrary to your comment - but still look at the result of their actions so far - one can obviously see that the struggle may require hard continuity.
You asked what Nigeria I desire? - I do not desire anything for Nigeria beyond a cooperative government (civil servants), cooperative citizens and a centralisation of Nigeria's cultures and regional natural resources for the general good - once these are established as a foundation, it will be easier to create infrastructure, improve the economy afterwards.
So in summary - I want a working Nigeria - not a sabotaged one.
It seems like you don't really understand me.
1. I am not here to fight the government except the government decides to prove stubborn or fight me.
2. Tinubu supporters here are fond of trying to gaslight critics of Tinubu's government with the jobless line.
3. The fight is not really a fight and not just an agitation and does not have to be continuous to be passed from generation to generation, it's actually just doing the right thing, I'm here to do the right thing, if doing the right thing may cause some people to fight me, I'll fight back, but I'm only here to do the right thing, Nigeria was not supposed to be a country and I'm here to correct that.
4. That others have tried something and failed does not mean you will also fail trying the same thing, in many cases people who break records are not usually the first people to try.
About your desire for Nigeria, You don't seem to understand Nigeria, when you understand Nigeria you may likely start thinking in the direction I'm thinking to do to Nigeria, I used to be even maybe more patriotic than you are to Nigeria and very desirous about seeing Nigeria work.
If only you know what you are up against, you will know the route I am taking is the easier path to having your own country that works, and lastly if you are a Tinubu supporter then you don't desire a better Nigeria, you are only deceiving yourself, Tinubu is the biggest saboteur currently living as a citizen in Nigeria.
jedisco: Reality that if we don't start fixing basic things in our country the majority would be condemned to poverty? Look around... the world is leaving us behind.
Basic things like light, security, roads, emergency services, hospitals, schools, corruption and so on, what is Tinubu's scorecard in fixing all of these?
it is to collect tax you are calling fixing of basic things, look you are not being realistic at all, is Tinubu leading by example to Nigerians?
kayjordan: That's a bold statement that you've made about separation of Nigeria.
Your mission to separate Nigeria should be quite clear to you that - it may happen in the 2nd or 3rd generation and not now that you're advocating for it. It's better to focus your energy on yourself or your career and disembark from a journey that may never materialise or -worse case scenerio - that may make you a sacrificial lamb.
A referendum is a peaceful strategy that requires patience and a group of supporters and in most cases - it may require passing on the baton. But if you and supporters aren't willing to be patient enough and you desire to use force, it will backfire according to the law.
Men created the constitution and they can amend it and also destroy it. Even the chapters of the bible have been amended overtime and even some Christians have pulled out of Christianity to join islam and some Christians have separated from other Christians to form their own denomination - but they still use the same laws of the bible - just different interpretation.
The laws of God I'm writing about are the 10 commandments and other laws in the bible.
From your write up, you are neither here nor there, You say I should focus on my life and career, you think I'm a jobless person or don't have any other thing doing?
The mistake I notice you Tinubu supporters make is thinking that anyone who complains about Nigeria is either poor or jobless and when you look at that type of thinking deeply you know partly why Nigeria is where it is today, it is a very selfish and self centered thinking...
So if your own is good you shouldn't fight for others who are going through a lot because of bad of governance?
Then you talk about my mission, there is a saying by Nelson Mandela that goes like : It always seems impossible until it's done - Nelson Mandela
But for me, I'll say: Some may see it as impossible, then someone does it.
You need to learn how societies work. Taxation is basic economics that has been going on for decades. A simple Google search on how others do it would help.
jedisco: Self employed residents and business owners would need to submit their tax returns i.e a statement of how much they earned and the government tells them what tax is due.
Has it been stated the government would go perusing thru peoples account to decide who pays tax or not? Just to be clear, the revenue agency should be able to investigate people's account if they suspect fraud but that shouldn't be the norm
It can be argued that the receipts from subsidy removal haven't been used well but that's not a reason not to have taken it away. It was bankrupting the nation. Focus from the citizens should now move to mandating tax receipts are used appropriately. Taxation helps drive engagement in politics. When citizens understand it's their money the governor or his son is frolicking with, they reduce the 'dobale' and begin to demand answers. Also, progressive taxation is one of the few proven ways to reduce wealth inequality and give the many poor a chance.
Let's be clear- this is just being introduced and there'd be teething and compliance issues. However if built on, we'd have a robust system with time. Countries have had modern tax systems for several decades- the challenges we'd encounter are likely to have been adressed elsewhere.
And which Nigerian is going to do the bolded?
Between you and the government, who is the bigger joker?
The rest of your talk here is thrash because you are not facing reality...
jedisco: And how does 'everyone earning above a treshold would be liable to pay tax translate into the bolded? No need scaremongering.
These tax laws have been one of the basic fulcrums of many advanced societies for decades. We need to decide if we want to move this country forward or keep our people wallowing in poverty. The standard of living and good things people see abroad were the result of deliberate actions
What has the subsidy removal and other tariff and tax increase done ?
Also how does the government plan to separate income and money inflow for non employed Nigerians?
I mean how does the government determine what is inflow and what is income into a person's account?
Politics › Re: How British Colonial Policies Entrenched Lifelong Discrimination Against Igbos by Brendaniel: 6:55pm On Dec 30, 2025
You are making me laugh here because if by now you don't know the Igbos and with the things I have shown you then even if I list more, how do you convince me now that you will know?
