₦airaland Forum

Chucks13:
But it has happened in SE, The North and SS are you not hearing news?

You are the one now who already digressed this thread into another ribl jabs.

LegendHero:
No need for advise, Trump is making Nigerians stay back home by force.

80+% of our visa application are B1/B2, F1/F2, H1/H4, and etc., they will ban us from that.

So no need advising anybody, Trump no send una papa

yarimo:
#5 billion naira just for a school fees from a civil servant

kayjordan:
I share the same reason as the Constitution.

Personally, i think it's would look funny to see a map of Nigeria change after so many years.

kayjordan:
The reason Nigeria wants Igbo to be part of Nigeria is legal:

1. The eastern region is part of Nigeria's geography.

2. The constitution protects the geography of Nigeria.

3. Unsolicited separation from Nigeria is illegal.


The only alternatives are if:

1. Nigeria agrees to it.

2. The easterners ask for a separation the legal way.


For now, the easterners can find solace in other countries of choice while their dream isn't realistic at the moment.

kayjordan:
The nonsense you're experiencing in the country is similar to Miltary rule.

The military rule was what led to the fight for a democratic government - so if the military rule was perfect, then there shouldn't have been any need for series of protests against the military.

Your clamour for a military government may simply be a reaction to a fact "your ideal candidate who shares your ideology" didn't win 2023 election.

Separation as your last option, can only be achieved by you as an "Individual". Separation is a long journey - so differing individuals can separate themselves by applying for visas to any country of their choice.

Also note that the eastern region is part of Nigeria's territory and therefore, the eastern land belongs to Nigeria.

kayjordan:
Interesting!

I acknowledge your all your facts. The Igbos have a unique ideology and even though you do not want to go into details, I would think - the Igbos had a rather over-ambitious ideology that wasn't healthy for the country.

The other tribes had relatively good relations except the Igbos.

That doesn't mean other tribes don't have differing ideologies too, but somewhat, they have been able to work as a family for decades.

So, if ALL against ONE is the formula - then that probably hints us where Nigeria's division started from - and thus the creation of sentiments that Nigeria isn't meant to be together.

runningriot:
Bro calm down! No need for this harsh tune! No body is supporting illegality... I just stated the obvious in what is enshrined in the constitution it was not clear on whether or not during the course of State of Emergency can a president suspend an elected official it is also ambiguous and controversial how you can declare State of Emergency without sacking the head of that office abi you fit tell us how State of Emergency can be enforced?. However, I also made it clear that the constitution should be amended or reform to suit the yearning of the people. So how did I support illegality?

kayjordan:
Well, if one wants to leave Nigeria and everything that has to do with it, then it's a safer option.

Obviously, some igbos will still stay in Nigeria if they ever achieve their mission - but they won't bear the country's nationality anymore.

You still haven't told me your ideology?

runningriot:
I don't know whether or not I am the only one perplexed over this issue. The truth is that, that part of the section of the law (305) clearly stated in an unequivocally way that the president has power to declare State of Emergency in every quarter and section of the country if there is possibility of a brewing crisis or is in crisis. Nigerians should rather protest for clarity and pure statutory of interpretation in that aspect of law through constitution amendment and reformation than the obvious.

kayjordan:
In my own understanding, separation is when you denounce your nationality as a Nigerian.

Leaving the country is when you travel out of Nigeria to live temporarily or permanently in a foreign land without denouncing your nationality. That's what I implied earlier.

What I quoted was: in place of separating, you can travel out of the country just as every nigerian does and become a diasporan.


What is your ideology? Just give me a summary.

kayjordan:
Exactly, the separatist idea has long been suspended.

Also, not everybody in your region want to leave. Some want stay in Nigeria because of their investments, some want to separate and some just want to travel out and get a green card in another country and never return.

So, your entire region is likely not to leave Nigeria - just a few.

The people who will fight against your region leaving are those that don't share your ideology and those that understand the constitution.

kayjordan:
War may happen if Nigeria doesn't agree to separatist's demand and if separatists forge ahead with the idea.

If family ideologies are easier to manage as you say - then one would have to see that happen in real life.

But what I just want to make clear for the meantime is: separatists should suspend separation ideas and see how they can manage the Nigerian situation. If they can't tolerate the situation, they are free to leave Nigeria and live in any part of the world as it's legal.

Separation may complicate matters more except if lawmakers consolidate to make legal changes which may be very difficult to achieve with a country with differing ideologies from separatist's.

kayjordan:
That's quite a confident statement made by you about your division dream.

It's good that you clarified that Peter Obi was your ideal candidate. I have a firmer understanding of your arguments.

The facts I want to list here is:
1. Family problems you mentioned still means differing ideologies internally.

2. Division will lead to disasters like war, economic instability for both parties.

3. Creation of sanctions that will paralyze separating regions.

4. International countries may align with a stronger country than a weaker/newly formed country.

5. Creation of refugee camps across countries may occur due to instability.

And the list is long.

This is why Elders of certain tribes advocate unity and a working relationship with the Federal government because they have seen things in pasts.

kayjordan:
I got your point. It's not about size but ideology.

Do not that your wish or the wishes of the people that share your ideology is trapped by law.

That's why I ask - If in this lifetime, separation doesn't happen - and you happen to still be a Nigerian, who would you prefer to rule Nigeria now or in the future - or what ideologies do you expect the current President to adopt to rule the nation the way you feel he should - or which candidate do you think holds your set of ideologies?

kayjordan:
Hmm!! Indeed, it's easier to solve family problems than community problems[b]. Maybe if Nigeria's population is smaller than it is, the problems the country faces would be minimal and manageable[/b]. But that's not the point.


Nigeria was historically, groups of empires that got regionalised by the British colonial masters for administrative purposes. The constitution protects the territorial borders and sovereignty of the country - so separation is completely illegal.

Separation is a complex issue and it would probably require dialogue and a constitution amendment - so in the meantime, while Nigeria cannot separate at least maybe not in this lifetime - which person would you prefer to rule Nigeria while you anticipate regionalism?

dejavume:
Naso you reason am.?

dejavume:
Naso you reason am.?

kayjordan:
The amalgamation of Nigeria was to last for 100 years, if I'm correct.

You support division because of differing ideologies. Beware, the same division will still occur in these divisions.

If a party can have factions - how much a region.

Nigeria is stronger and more attractive if kept together than separated. But if you support a regional government or state, then it's your view.

The only thing to be advocated for is:

- Regions that may wish to separate should conduct their administration only with their geographical territorial borders without extension into Nigeria's territory regardless if regionalists have vested interests or not in Nigeria.


I was expecting from you, a nationalist reason why Nigeria isn't working - i assumed you would say " type of policy" or certain decisions the President made - but it's newly clear that this is an agitation.

If I may ask - who would you prefer over the current President if you should change your mind on separation?

kayjordan:
Please tell me the problem.