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blackbriar:
I pray "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT"...which is the most blessed trinity.
and i also acknowledge the model of all prayers "Pater noster, que es in caelis"

Ubenedictus:
You see him you have contradicted yourself?

1. First you claim the Church kept the bible in Latin to prevent the people from reading it.
Now you admit that anybody who could read at that time, any literate person could read Latin too.

That means anyone who was literate i. E could read was able to read the bible as Latin was the international language of education all over Europe.


2. You also admit the Jews kept their bible in Hebrew, does that mean they were also hiding the bible or are you only biased against the catholic Church who actually made sure the bible was available in the language every educated person knew and read.

blackbriar:
i have answered you about mary and original sin in my past post.
i do believe in purgatory,your orientation of purgatory is the issue.
i thought the apocryphal books were bel and dragon,gospel of thomas etc and not the first 8 you mentioned.
the first 8 you mentioned are and is part of the canon, they were removed by fr. luther during the protestant reformation.
wait you are xtian and u dont do alms giving(dats weird and wrong) Psalm 72:3-4
john 20:24.

blackbriar:
Like i said mary was without Original sin and not Actual sin, for if mary had had original sin, what were the consequences for the messiah?

johnw74:
rc's say mary is without sin
if Mary was sinless, why was she unclean and had to offer a sacrifice for sin?

rc's teach that Mary never sinned. But, if that is the case, why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8] after giving birth to Jesus? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Below is a chart that has Leviticus 12 and Luke 2 side by side. You can see from the text that Mary had to offer a sacrifice for uncleanness and as it says in Leviticus 12:8, a sacrifice for sin offering that is an atonement. Why would Mary, if she is sinless as the Roman Catholics assert, be unclean and also need a sacrifice?

Ubenedictus:
You won't agree your sources lied abi? Are these same.


Pope

Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty
on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the
right hand of her Son -




Carm



According to Roman Catholicism: "Mary sits on
the right hand of the majesty on high" (Pope
Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).

Ubenedictus:
You won't agree your sources lied abi? Are these same.


Pope

Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty
on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the
right hand of her Son -




Carm



According to Roman Catholicism: "Mary sits on
the right hand of the majesty on high" (Pope
Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).

Ubenedictus:
Again you are either lying through your anus or totally ignorant.

Latin was the popular european language in medieval times even till the 17century vernacular werent even popular.


Read and be enlightened.


The 16th century and beyond
Though vernacular languages were
gradually growing in prestige, Latin
continued to be an important language
for written communication in Britain
and Europe into the Early Modern
period.
In documentary sources there is no
significant discontinuity in the use of
Latin between 16th century and earlier
periods: through the Tudor era (Henry
VII to Elizabeth I, ob. 1603) Latin
remains the standard language of
official documents, both state (such as
the Close Roll s, the Charter Rolls , and
especially the Patent Rolls ) and
municipal (such as those collected in the
corpus of the British Borough Charters ).




http://www.dmlbs.ox.ac.uk/british-medieval-latin/contexts/the-16th-century-and-beyond



Medieval Latin was the form of Latin used in
the Middle Ages , primarily: as a medium of
scholarly exchange; as the liturgical language
of Chalcedonian Christianity and the Roman
Catholic Church; and as a language of
science, literature, law, and administration.
Despite the clerical origin of many of its
authors, medieval Latin should not be
confused with Ecclesiastical Latin .


Official status
Official
language in De facto in most Christian
states during the Middle
Ages


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Latin



New Latin was, at least in its early days, an
international language used throughout
Catholic and Protestant Europe, as well as in
the colonies of the major European powers.
This area consisted of most of Europe,
including Central Europe and Scandinavia ; its
southern border was the Mediterranean Sea,
with the division more or less corresponding
to the modern eastern borders of Finland , the
Baltic states, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and
Croatia .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Latin#Extent

blackbriar:
in english does an "if" pass for affirmation?
did you even care to read and understand the post or you were quick to condemn the "evil catholics"?

blackbriar:
i am confused about your definitions of original sin and actual sin, could you be more definite about them.

Ubenedictus:
i don't agree before the 16cent there were already secondly bible translations in european languages, the word was able to be read by anyone who was educated since latin was the language of education.



The 16cent only saw a rise in heresy and heretics.

blackbriar:
All you have raised are good questions.

and remember two posts back i infer luke 1:28 "HAIL THOU HIGHLY FAVOURED ONE".

if mary had original sin ,christ had to had had original sin.

blackbriar:
where did i affirm that christ had original sin?
please read my post carefully.

blackbriar:
All you have raised are good questions.

and remember two posts back i infer luke 1:28 "HAIL THOU HIGHLY FAVOURED ONE".

if mary had original sin ,christ had to had had original sin.

blackbriar:
Mary was without ORIGINAL SIN not ACTUAL SIN.
ORIGINAL SIN is what makes all men borne of a woman,Sinners.
And the good lord Christ was borne of a woman, for our sake he became flesh.

blackbriar:
hail ,thou art highly favoured.

remember the angel was a messenger delivering a message, so this was God directly saying HAIL THOU ART HIGHLY FAVOURED.

Ubenedictus:
he isnt interested in knowing anything, he is happy in ignorance and would rather abuse what he doesnt understand than make research.

It is time to end the discussion.

Ubenedictus:
so you think christianity began in the 16th century?

blackbriar:
it is not found explicitly in scripture but flows from the idea of luke 1:28 and luke 1:42.

if mary had had original sin ,Jesus would have had original sin also.

Babacele:
from the beginning anybody reading this thread knows that I have supported all my claims with different Bible verses and not even a scripture outside of it but each time you guys either dodge, insult , and twist .

One thing you cannot take away is the divine motherhood of Mary . If God Himself honors Mary , whatever you say is irrelevant. Those who call Mary dead, dog, sinner, and all sorts of names can't be part of the generations calling Her Blessed(Luke1:48).

Allow God to judge us poor sinners as we have never claimed to be saints .

Babacele:
Matthew 25:31-46 GOD’S WORD
Translation (GW)
Jesus Will Judge the World
31 “When the Son of Man comes
in his glory and all his angels are
with him, he will sit on his glorious
throne. 32 The people of every
nation will be gathered in front of
him. He will separate them as a
shepherd separates the sheep
from the goats. 33 He will put the
sheep on his right but the goats
on his left.
34 “Then the king will say to
those on his right, ‘Come, my
Father has blessed you! Inherit the
kingdom prepared for you from
the creation of the world. 35 I was
hungry, and you gave me
something to eat. I was thirsty,
and you gave me something to
drink. I was a stranger, and you
took me into your home. 36 I
needed clothes, and you gave me
something to wear. I was sick, and
you took care of me. I was in
prison, and you visited me.’
37 “Then the people who have
God’s approval will reply to him,
‘Lord, when did we see you
hungry and feed you or see you
thirsty and give you something to
drink? 38 When did we see you as
a stranger and take you into our
homes or see you in need of
clothes and give you something to
wear? 39 When did we see you
sick or in prison and visit you?’
40 “The king will answer them, ‘I
can guarantee this truth: Whatever
you did for one of my brothers or
sisters, no matter how
unimportant they seemed, you did
for me.’
41 “Then the king will say to
those on his left, ‘Get away from
me! God has cursed you! Go into
everlasting fire that was prepared
for the devil and his angels! 42 I
was hungry, and you gave me
nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and
you gave me nothing to drink. 43
I was a stranger, and you didn’t
take me into your homes. I needed
clothes, and you didn’t give me
anything to wear. I was sick and
in prison, and you didn’t take care
of me.’
44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when
did we see you hungry or thirsty
or as a stranger or in need of
clothes or sick or in prison and
didn’t help you?’
45 “He will answer them, ‘I can
guarantee this truth: Whatever you
failed to do for one of my brothers
or sisters, no matter how
unimportant they seemed, you
failed to do for me.’
46 “These people will go away
into eternal punishment, but those
with God’s approval will go into
eternal life.”

Babacele:
The body of Christ is one ,so when we pray to God through Mary or St Peter ,whatever they loose on earth or heaven , God approves and there is nothing like anybody retreiving the reward. The greatest honor to Mary is God allowing Her to give birth to and nurturing Him ,and Her divine motherhood is eternal. Those who cannot come to terms with this mystery should allow God judge us for won't everyone stand before God to give account of his/her life?

Babacele:
thank you ,if you can insult the mother of God ,who am I?

blackbriar:
like i said earlier....mary was full of grace(luke 1:28) grace from Original sin, which excluded christ from original sin.

dat was wat i wrote that and that has been my standing all along.

Ubenedictus:
Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct--as irrational animals do--will destroy them. Jude 1;10

emmanuelex1:
You said "We already know if I cant get any sense out from you-then it isn't my worth while trying to get any sense out from a priest."
Now you can see how you reason like a child of 16 years.

Babacele:
It is obvious you don't believe in Jesus even though you flaunt His name, so how would not you disrespect the Mother of God? Thank you for the insults. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Babacele:
so who is the dead here , even after it has been established that He is God of the living and that holy people are ever living member of the Christ body on earth and in heaven?

Mr Pentecostal is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Mary Mother still alive in Christ?
So has Transition changed the divine gift of these holy persons to pray for us even when Revelation tells us that the elders,angels and saints in heaven still pray to God?

Babacele:
so you don't believe Jesus ? don't be confused. I hope you know that Mary mother of God must be remembered by all generations (luke 1: 48)and so she is ever living ?

I repeat Jesus the final authority in Mat 22: 32-33
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.”

blackbriar:
like i said earlier....mary was full of grace(luke 1:28) grace from Original sin, which excluded christ from original sin.

dat was wat i wrote that and that has been my standing all along.

Babacele:
to we Christians there is nothing like death with the body of Christ ,and this mystery would continue to confound Sadducees and Pharisees .


In Math 22: 31-32 Jesus told the Sadducees thus
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.” So was Abraham, Isaac and Jacob on earth when Jesus said that?

Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

blackbriar:
i still don't think you read my post carefully