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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 4:24pm On May 06, 2022
benalvino3:
you said "is it not murder if done early" you are asking a question.
My initial glance at your post was: " it is not murder if done early" so I misread your post.
You "misread your post" a lot Ben, which is why I always say you can't read, just that this time you've admitted your error. Usually, you'd go on for days on end claiming what you misread is what buda said which is very tiring. Hopefully, you'd be more mindful in future.

benalvino3:
I don't support abortion. I only have an exception.
I recognize the predicament one can find himself in. it is a very complicated topic, so if one has to do abortion since the law permits it, it has to be early.
You "don't support" but you "have an exception" because you "recognise the predicament", ben, but you must think you are the only one.

I support the woman to make an informed choice and to bear the consequences of her actions. Abortion leaves a lingering scar and is not done lightly.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 3:07pm On May 06, 2022
benalvino3:
Homosexuality is illegal, people are still homosexual so it should be legal. Your argument.
Your ignorant understanding of my argument, Ben.

Mine is you can't police abortions just as you can not police what two individuals do in their bedroom. But I'm sure you'd fit cameras there just so you can see what they do just as you want to police the wombs of women.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 3:04pm On May 06, 2022
benalvino3:
I think it should be done early... There is a reason why you have laws like heart beat and other stuff. The child wants to survive and can feel pain.

You agree if it's done early it's not murder. My exception it ends at 10weeks... But why support abortion at anytime then still say it's not murder if it's done early? You are admitting if it's done late it is murder.

If you like say I no understand again
But that's what you are saying.
There you go putting your words in my mouth because you can not read!

Ben, abortion is not murder! And it is you the antiabortionist whom we should be asking why you support any abortion if abortion is murder according to you!

Ben, you do not understand what you read!
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 2:48pm On May 06, 2022
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 2:44pm On May 06, 2022
benalvino3:
abortion is also the murder of a child. If you want to have an abortion, do it early, that's my exception.
Is it not murder if done early, Ben, or do you just make an exception for early murder?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 2:37pm On May 06, 2022
benalvino3:
Your point is she can sell her baby or abort it and there is nothing anyone can do.
you could have just agreed when I said only if they are not caught. you want to make it sound like they are free to do whatever is illegal.
when you make such a statement, you have to try and make your point clear.

people can always do illegal stuff, no way to stop it. the ones who are not caught will evade the law. the ones who are caught won't. so by your logic, we should legalize murder because people get away with murder?

your homosexuality talk is so stupid.
the law against murder did not stop anyone from being a murderer so lets legalize it. that is how you think Buda. how embarrassing
Ben, go to school to learn how to understand what you read instead of showing you lack the ability to comprehend! It would help you reason better.
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 2:34pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Bud, you are trying too hard.
Stop assuming.
Maynman:
Bud, you don’t even know The origin of your name. Why are you so desperate.
You are a lover of argument.

Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 2:30pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Bud, you don’t even know The origin of your name. Why are you so desperate.
You are a lover of argument.
May! How can you possibly know the origin of my name more than I who choose my name?
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 2:28pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Bud, this is weak from you. You can try harder.
You are not interesting anymore. It was you that brought in mythology now you are just grabbing at straws.
You are just saying everything and anything.
Are you a hut or a poor old man? You don’t know the origin of the word you love the most, bud?
Once again, stop assuming bud.
Are you not assuming there is a word that buda loves the most, May?

Please explain how it could be assumed that buda believes mythology which means:
1 : an allegorical narrative. 2 : a body of myths: such as. a : the myths dealing with the gods, demigods, and legendary heroes of a particular people. b : mythos sense 2 cold war mythology. 3 : a branch of knowledge that deals with myth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 2:23pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Bud, you mean you checked to see if Moses is a real person in a STORY BOOK? cheesy
We can’t assume on a story book, bud. Stop assuming Bud, they are just stories in a story book.
Even from the picture you posted bud, the authors of the story books are unknown.
The book said there was a Moses, but history says otherwise.
You know the story of Israelites in Egypt for over 400 hundred years is a lie.
The Bible we have now is translated from masoretic text instead of the Dead Sea scrolls.
Elohim was the father of Yahweh. And Elohim has a wife.
May, I will give you a buda history lesson. It might help with your understanding.

The first gods buda learnt about were ancient Greek and Egyptian, and I hopefully don't need to tell you no one teaches, believe Greek and Egyptian gods, not where I started my schooling where early education teachings one to ask what, why, when, where, who and how. The idea that one believes Gods or books was introduced to me in Nigeria and went down like talking rats.

Yes I checked if Moses was a real person in a story book, May. I checked because those around me claimed the book was written by a god in heaven and everything in it was real. Thankfully I read, so I read it myself instead of stupidly believing what was claimed by some. And what I found was most telling me to believe hadn't bothered reading the book or couldn't understand the King James they were reading nor had they bothered to check where it came from, nor its history, or the authenticity of its claims etc etc.

May, you checked too, I think, unless you want to claim the things you say about the Bible were not discovered in your checking but was placed in your head by an angel.

budaatum:
When I was like really young, these mates of mine who grew up in Obanikoro Village told me rats talk. Well, even at barely 7, I was atheistic in nature, so I argued that rats don't talk. Now there were like 5 of them, so they ganged up on me calling me all sorts of names and that I know nothing, "rats talk jo!".

One day, about two years later, we were in the home of one of them and NTA was showing Tom and Jerry.

"There," they said, pointing to the telly. "I thought you said rats don't talk?"

Turns out oyinbo rats do talk, silly me!
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 2:02pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Bud, you forgot that both Zeus, Odin and Jupiter are “God” in the greek, Roman and Norse MYTHOLOGY.
What does bud have to believe in a mythology?

In the myth, Cronus father is Uranus. Uranus father is Gaia.
You don’t have to believe a myth bud, it’s literally a myth.
Why do you assume buda believes in mythology, May? Do you really believe buda is so mindless as to not only believe in Yahweh and Christ and the Bible as you repeatedly claim, but also in Cronus and Uranus and Jupiter too? Would you claim I believe Alice if I quote her?

budaatum:
"I can't believe that!" said Alice.

"Can't you?" the Queen said in a pitying tone. "Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes."

Alice laughed. "There's no use trying," she said: "one can't believe impossible things."

"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There
How about if I quote Aristotle? Does buda believe Aristotle, May?

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 1:50pm On May 06, 2022
benalvino3:
Budaatum says she can sell her baby and there is nothing anyone can do. He also talk about killing and stealing and there is nothing anyone can do. I am just telling him no one has the freedom to commit a crime. You can till you get caught.
And wasn't that my point? Now go back and read how many times I literally said she can be 9 months pregnant and you and your state may not know so you wouldn't even be looking for her not to talk of catch her.

Ben. Homosexuality has been illegal in Nigeria for a while now, but are you aware no one has yet been charged for homosexuality in Nigeria? I bet you think a law against homosexuality stopped anyone being gay just as you think a ban on abortions would stop abortions.
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 1:45pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Bud, are you a hut or a poor old man ?
May, I am neither a hut nor a man nor am I poor or old.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:58pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Lmao. Failed attempt to make sense.

Yet the women are crying and protesting my body my choice. Do you know what freedom is? Freedom to kill, freedom to steal.

When you understand that, you will know you are talking nonsense
So, a person who wants to abort wants to also kill and steal, Ben?

I wonder. Do they kill and steal less if they abort in the 10 weeks you find acceptable I wonder, or is ok to murder a ten week foetus but not an 11 week one because the 10 week fortus is not a person yet?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:55pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Like the opinion you have that they can have abortion because it's their body their choice which contradicts the other opinion you have that they should not be having abortion after certain time.

Buda... I think abortion should happen in the first 10 weeks. That's a reasonable stance to take... But you want the extreme. Most people accept a window, only 27% want it at anytime.

Let her decide that na in Texas. Except she is not caught all hell will be done about it.
Now, imagine me claiming you are commanding what you think. Don't you think it would be absurd to assume you had any such powers as to impose your opinion on anyone?

If I want to abort in a timeframe unacceptable in Texas, I just do what has always been done and go abort in a state that has an acceptable timeframe, Ben. It's the United States of America after all, where money does all the talking.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:49pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Also buda, 9 in 10 people who do abortion do it in the first 10 weeks.
I was exaggerating when I said longer, ben. Most wouldn't wait longer than 3 months
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:48pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Like the opinion you have that they can have abortion because it's their body their choice which contradicts the other opinion you have that they should not be having abortion after certain time.
Ben. You can have your abortion whenever you want please. It's your body and it's your choice!
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:46pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
It means either do woman don't do it with their own accord or the state or government stops it.

Either way, you think it should not be happening yet you say it should happen, their body their choice.
I think murder should not be happening nor should theft, but do you hear anyone tell you buda commanded them not to kill nor steal?

The bit about this argument you fail to recognise is that the woman will always "do it with their own accord" if she wants to and there's absolutely nothing you or the state can do about it. She can after all be 9 months pregnant and neither you nor the state may know she is!

But I suppose we can introduce government issued licenses to pregnant women so a record can be kept I guess. We can call it a get pregnant licence, and any one without one is illegally pregnant. It would fit nicely with voters Id, I think.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:39pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Na... It is you who is telling women what you think they shouldn't be doing at a certain stage of their pregnancy.... Contrary to the my body my choice. They should do whatever they please.

It's a contradiction. Maybe you don't understand your own language
Sigh!

I can have an opinion without imposing it on anyone, Ben, and no one is here claiming buda has told them what they can or can not do except you who don't even have a womb!

As I said, she can decide to abort the day before she gives birth if she wants and not much can be done about it, but I'm glad democracy, as in, we the people, generally agree on about 4-6 months, and longer under circumstances that the owner of the body gets to determine.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:28pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
The bold up there compared to your words below shows how you talk from both sides of your mouth.



How does this quote imply that women should decide when you are clearly saying the opposite to be what you believe.
I think the English language is a challenge for you.
Try harder, Ben.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:28pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Should or whatever word you want to use... You still have an opinion that women should not be having abortion after certain stage. So again, when does my body my choice stops?
It stops when you the owner of the body decides it stops, Ben, that's the meaning of my body my choice.

For my body I decide, and for your body you decide. I don't decide for your body and you don't decide for my body.
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 9:24pm On May 05, 2022
Maynman:
We can’t assume on a story book, bud. Even from the picture you posted bud, the authors of the story books are unknown.
The book said there was a Moses, but history says otherwise.
You know the story of Israelites in Egypt for over 400 hundred years is a lie.
The Bible we have now is translated from masoretic text instead of the Dead Sea scrolls.
Elohim was the father of Yahweh. And Elohim has a wife.
I had to check before you start claiming it is buda who believes there was a Moses or that an Elohim fathered Yahweh with his wife.

It's would be like claiming buda believed Cronus fathered Zeus with his wife Rhea, or that Jupiter, the King of the Gods was fathered by Saturn and his wife Ops.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:17pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Creepy. You now support selling of kids like they sell goats. Poor you.
I expect that to be your understanding, Ben. Thankfully brainier people are here.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:16pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
The bold is you dictating what women can do and cannot do with their body.
I said, "should", Ben, open your eyes and see please. And in English, if you are told you should do or not do something, it is usually not considered that you have been dictated to.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:11pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Have you not been paying attention?
As I said, she can sell it and there's not much you can do about it.

You need to imagine how many you don't read about in the papers to understand, I guess.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:09pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
But you are dictating what they can do and cannot do. It is you and your flip-flop.

Your words dictating for women:


The bold is you dictating what women can do and cannot do with their body.

When does it stop being my body my choice? You seem to know when from your words above.
Ben, can you not see that it is the woman aborting who I am claiming should decide? That is the meaning of my body my choice, and not your's nor anyone else's

Most women would have decided long before the foetus is viable if they want to abort or not, Ben, and the longer they keep it they more likely they'll get to term as you well should know. Still, if she decides to abort up to the day before she gives birth, then her body her choice, though thankfully democracy does not allow such extremes, but nor should it impose some silly unworkable anything less than 3 - 5 months, is my opinion if you care to know instead of making crap up in your head..

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:57pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
You cannot tell a woman to keep a child but you can tell her to keep the child when it is delivered.
Ben, nowhere on this earth can anyone force a woman to keep a child she delivered if she don't want to! She can give it to her family, or sell it in a market and you wouldn't know she hasn't got it.

benalvino3:
I think abortion should have a window. 6 to 10 weeks. After that no turning back. That's what most of the country accept. Democrats wants to have abortion even after the baby has been delivered.
So you are not anti-abortion after all, lol.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:52pm On May 05, 2022
benalvino3:
Budaatum is for and against late term abortion. Depending on where he is debating the issue. When I pressed him for supporting such thing he complained he is not for that but look at his comment. Inhuman thing to say.
You and your lies, ban. Your sidekick posted my view on the subject. Read it. I do not dictate to anyone what they may or may not do with the content of their womb.

Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 6:11pm On May 05, 2022
Maynman:
Yes. The original Hebrew is paleo Hebrew.
And of course Hebrew “Bible” Bible means collection Of books, so you will expect the canonization by who and who? I don’t know probably lay men cheesy
So even the Hebrew Bible is older than Moses.
Are we assuming an actual real Moses, May, or one we read about in a book?

I had to check before one of us starts accusing the other of believing. I myself don't know if there ever was a real individual called Moses, nor do I have a need to believe there ever was. I just read about him in a book and before books there was a writer, with an intention, and it could not possibly be to make 21st Century me believe when there's so much else I could be doing.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 5:54pm On May 05, 2022
BasedUsername:
However, it is still up to the states to decide.
And the state is the people who vote.

It's why I love democracy, based. If people vote to go bash babies heads at the bottom of a river and I don't like it I can up sticks elsewhere, or campaign harder against them.

Unfortunately, this is about me bashing a foetus that is inside me, which kind of invades on my privacy a little bit too much don't you think? I kind of don't want the content of my womb subjected to democracy is how I see it, they might come for the content of my mind next!

I did some research. Abortions have been reducing over the past few decades, and most abort the day or two after, and that's apart from those using barriers to conception.

Silly and unpoliceable, is what I think. You might as well ban prostitution, and porn, and homosexuality and guns!
Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum:
Maynman:
Bud, These are Roman Catholic writings that they just gave a name to it and you are using a king James VERSION
See what I just found out..
The Hebrew bible itself was redacted, long before it was translated, you'd find.

Long before Hebrew became a writing, Egyptian pharoahs (gods in their time) would deface the statues of those they succeed, so nothing new there. It's as it was in the beginning so it is now and shall always be.

Christianity Etc › Re: Semitic Gods by budaatum: 5:13pm On May 05, 2022
Guess you can see why believing is kind of stupid being it's been edited a lot over the millennia.

Some might then ask but why was it edited, and what was edited, and how has so much endured, and what effects has it had in societies and even in one's own personal life. It has led you to dig so deep after all and some skills must have been learned along the way, May, and here we are spending so much time and effort challenging one another over what we may understand of it.

Thanks for posting this by the way. One should not emulate demons, as a certain James is written to have written.

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