₦airaland Forum

Lamasta:
Americans are paying and seeing the result but the one we are paying here are we seeing the result Just asking tho

which one have you paid? just asking a question

freshalien:
I sincerely feel for the religious ones in this country and Africa in general because religion is the biggest scam in the history of mankind especially Christianity. Even the white people who brought Christianity to our ancestors do not practice it today because they know it is all rubbish, filled with lies, deceit and too many inconsistencies.

Let me enlighten you if you disagree. Do you know there was no ‘Garden of Eden’? It was just a story told by the Jews, their own version the origin of the world, just as many civilizations such as the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Kushites, e.t.c had their own stories of creation.

Also do you know that Job never existed. Yes the so-called faithful man in the bible. He never existed. Just another story told by the Jews. There are many more I cannot write here.

Wake up my people! Wake up!

More industries, science and tech facilities, less churches and mosques. That is the only way forward for Nigeria.

That's a lie. The whites still practice Christianity

Euegene100001:
Reading comments here u just know most of u guys don’t reside in Edo . From Ekpoma to Benin city now is a no go area kidnappers killing almost daily on that road since 2018 still yet nothing has been done na land revoking nae be Edo problem now? Smh !

thank you. travelling between the different senatorial district is a nightmare

thebosstrevor1:
Indigenisation policy was brought by obasanjo in 1972 and amended in 1977 to curtail the number of foreigners in the Nigerian economy.

It was a kind of nationalisation method so that Nigerians can get more opportunities.

The chairmen of victimhood are claiming the policy was against them.

I shock at their response oo!! Something that was done to target foreign influence. Very soon they will say land use decree was done against them too

HornyTave:
Mhen I don't know of other places o but in Edo, the kingdom exists and are well respected.
I could remember the revolt in 2016 when Oshomole tried to remove the Ojuromi or Uromi, the revolt the State government faced was massive
in Edo, the government doesn't make king, the gods make them.

That's why he could only suspend him

frog12:
tell us more. what's needed to preserve them. good air ventilation or air-conditioned room. dusting them. we can employ specialists in these area. stop being a colonist and think of doing work yourself !

the oba no get the money. him and him family are all living on government allowance and then they can travel everywhere in the world. the rightful place is a museum constructed and maintained by the state. the oba should be proud to be a trustee.

Wow!!! The oba no get money? I laugh at your ignorance. Do you know the number of multi million if not billon businesses the oba and his family operates. Ignoring that, if the oba today ask for even a 100billion fund to build a museum in less than a day he would have twice that amount.

BluntTheApostle:
Do you know how much it costs to preserve a single artefact?

About 750 dollars per 3-dimensional object every 6 hours. And there are hundreds of those artefacts.

We don't even have preservation materials, which means we would be importing them.

It also costs money to store them. Although not much money; around 30 dollars a year.

Where will the Oba get all that money? From the state government which struggles to make something out of limited allocations, or the FG which is battling inflation and post-recession challenges?

Bring those artefacts to Nigeria, and watch them disintegrate or lose their gloss in a year.

Some of those artifacts were over 200 years old when they were looted. Please was it the Europeans that preserved it for the over 200years after its creation? Una go just dey yarn okpata because of internet

royal231:
If you go all round even down to Cameroon they all did bronze artifacts..

So we're all artworks looted by the whites? Where are the art works from itsekiri.. Uhrobo.. Ijaws.. And other tribes around Benin..

And Benin always had their own share because you give what belongs to ceaser to ceaser..


Yes they can still do it till now because the fame it generated.. People will always come to Benin for the bronze.. Irrespective of if the looted artifacts were returned or not..

Cheers.. But its better of under the Government.. In the sense that it should be in a place accessible to everyone..

But the royal family will have to see its daily maintenance and so..

So I think it shouldn't be inside the Palace.. Because if u put it inside Palace it will be there for just the royal family and most of his psychophants..

But if its public.. Everyone will start knowing the truth about our country.. And it's history's..


Secondly those artifacts were looted due to a reason.. If that same thing repeats you know say na Nigerian soilders go enter this time..

Aboki no send.. So its better the royal family work out something with state govt and leave federal govt out

Ignorance is a disease. See as you are now shifting goal post. Oga, each place has its own unique technique of casting. The benins own is unique to them. Stop trying to bring down their culture just to make yourself feel equal or superior to them

nextstep:
First of all, I firmly think the artifacts should be put under the custody of the Oba. However, the Oba has no legal standing on the matter, and can only get what he is given by the Nigerian State:

1. FG routinely takes the money of people who have passed away, as do most governments around the world.

2. The Kingdom of Benin was annexed by the British Empire in 1897. In other words, it ceased to exist - as in, it passed away.

3. The artifacts legally belong - unfortunately - to the inheritor of British Empire - i.e. Nigeria.

4. The last Oba of Benin Kingdom- Ovonramwen - died in 1914, but his throne was never restored to him. His son, grandson and now great-grandson, are allowed to keep their title and status as traditional rulers in modern-day Nigeria, at the pleasure of the FG. (Note the intentional use of the word allowed).

NOTE: they are called "Oba of Benin", but not "Oba of Benin Kingdom" because that kingdom no longer exists. One cannot be a kingdom unless sovereign.

It's all unfortunate and I don't like it at all, but there you are.

Nope!!!! Up till the land use act, who was the custodian of lands ?

Judolisco:
bros the pharaohs that built pyramids for themselves and kept a lot of treasures in it... all d pharaohs are now dead... Do you know how much those pyramid have generated for the people of Egypt Make una dey think of future if una Wan do something... A museum will fetch money for d state... Can u visit d Palace anytime u like?

Yes. If the state needs to generate revenue the moat, the walls, the various shrines are there

Judolisco:
The pharaohs of Egypt built pyramids... Now d Kings are dead but d pyramid is still serving Egypt... For those asking what obaseki want to do with d artefacts.... If Lai Mohammed like he should collect it and go and keep in kano.. Something that was out there for over 100yrs una no fight... Dem wan return am now brothers dey fight... Mtwww

Please stop to dey show your ignorance for public forum. It is this present oba that has been fighting for the return of this artifacts for years. Even his grandfather fought for the return before he joined his ancestors.
The pyramid of Egypt is serving the whole of Egypt because the current Egypt is the successor of the Egyptian monarchy. As we speak there is no pharaoh existing

Coldie:
This is why I like Ganduje, sharp sharp he would break that kingdom and form different Emirates under it, then send you on exile.

Imagine where the state wants sth, where u a traditional institution was interfering the FG takes over it.

Imagine

You think it is that easy. Let obaseki dare it and let us see the outcome

InvertedHammer:
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If you ask me, I will say "Leave them in Germany".

The State Government can sign bilateral agreement with the museum in Germany and get a certain percentage (70%) from the proceeds of exhibition. Why? Because Nigerians do not place values on anything. The looted Bronze will be placed where it will be left unkept and yield no income for the people/government of Edo State. Our maintenance culture is inexistent. In all, lose:lose for every party involved. One day Oba's palace go burn and the artifacts will go with the inferno.

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I find your submission laughable. Are you now saying that the creators of those artifacts cannot maintain their own creation? Those artifacts were already hundreds of years old in the obas palace before they were looted

nextstep:
The artifacts belong to the sovereign in the land, which is currently the Federal Government.

Yes, they were taken from Benin Kingdom, but that kingdom has long ceased to be sovereign, and so it falls to FG to own these artifacts.

If Benin wants to collect, it should become its own kingdom again, independent from Nigeria.

As for the state of Edo, it has no say in the matter.

Is there a Benin monarchy in existence? Yes or no
Is the current Benin monarchy a direct descendant and successor of the Benin Kingdom of yore? Yes or no

CSTRR:
To be fair, I think the obaseki idea would have been the best.

He wanted to create a museum to display these beautiful arts to generate revenue for the state.

The oba wanted it in his palace where it would be probably be under restrictions, and all revenues will go to him alone.

Lai Muhammed will probably put it in his office, because I don't know if there is any federal museum in place.

If obaseki is really serious about revenue from tourism, he would have ;
1. Ensure security in the state
2. Restored the Benin moats and walls(which would generate even more revenue)
3.funded the proposed archeological ecavation @iso and other places of interest.

royal231:
Like days of old Benin was seat of Govt.. Today seat of govt is in Abuja..

Most of those Benin bronzes were not manufactured in Benin but were brought by other tribes..


I rest

Are you for real? Please make the tribe that "manufactured" the Benin bronze

Lescalier:
This simply means both the palace and the State govt will make individual proposals to the FG and the FG will decide what to do to the artifacts.

The State government has a better plan for the artifacts with the Edo Museum for West African Arts.

I bet even some other States, especially the Lagos museum, will benefit and have a share from the almost 2,000 pieces.

Excuse me? Why should the Lagos museum have a share of the Benin artifacts? If obaseki is really serious about culture, let him restore the Benin moats and walls. At least those are under his jurisdiction

Afam4eva:
I really don't understand why people are sentimental and bias about this issue.

It makes more sense for the Edo state Government to keep it since where the bronzes were taken are now under their jurisdiction.

The reason it should not be handed over to the Oba of Benin is because the traditional system has no recognized role under the constitution and there are no checks and balances to check the excesses of the traditional body. For instance, what stops the present Oba from keeping those bronzes as his personal property if handed over to him.

Those artifacts are the personal property of the oba. It is the oba that commissions the bronze carver to do the works for him. It and I repeat it is the property of the Benin monarchy

9jaRealist:
How is it humanly possible to cram so much IGNORANCE into one article?
Mr. Bako must be the sort of “seasoned economists” that have been in charge of the hapless Nigerian economy.

First, the NNPC is planning to take 20% in SIX private refineries, not just Dangote’s…
See this Reuters article: https://www.reuters.com/article/nigeria-refinery-equity-idAFL2N2NI1QL’

Nonetheless, as already discussed here on Nairaland, Dangote is NOT HAPPY with the proposed acquisition…
See the following thread: https://www.nairaland.com/6626446/mele-kyari-refinery-dangote-not

Meanwhile, Dangote Refinery BOUGHT (not gifted) forex from the CBN forex window…
At the OFFICIAL rate that it’s sold to ALL companies in the real sector (not to mention for school fees, travel, health tourism, etc.).

The obtuse drivel about costing and delays merely amplifies this dude’s cluelessness. No other refinery project elsewhere involves reclaiming land bigger than Victoria Island and building a virtual port, because Apapa cannot handle the equipment for this project. Furthermore, dude seems clueless that Covid disrupted value-chains GLOBALLY (or does he think the equipment is manufactured in Nigeria) and consequently delayed most (if not ALL) large-scale infrastructure projects around the world.

Finally, debt to build a refinery would be long-term…
Therefore, it is SILLY to peddle beer-parlor rumors about banks already calling in their loans.

So many Nigerians love to attack success while celebrating mediocrity and failure…
Whether it is due to primordial ethnic sentiments, envy or just darn right IGNORANCE, it’s a succinct self-indictment!
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succinctly put!! Thank you. I was reading the article and I thought I was in an alternate reality

Jolomenas:
Dangote,Dantata,BUA,chanchangi,Azman,indimis and many more
Are all northerners.
See I know alot of northerners that didn’t even go to school and made their fortunes through trade.
You won’t know there are extremely wealthy hausa people because they don’t show off.

mai deribe, funtua, el rufai uncle, that forme abacha major step father. forget am northerners get money but them nor dey obscene with am

SmartyPants:
I'm from Edo so don't tell me about my people.

Where? I repeat keep qwayet

tonididdy:
oga you are the clueless one... I dare you to enter the palace without no protocols.... You will be shot at the gate.
The palace is only open for all without checks on occasions, any other day you will be bounced back if you have no concrete reason to visit the palace.

You are clueless, I go there regularly. You forget that the palace ground is different from the main palace itself. The palace ground is free for anyone to enter. It's only the main palace you need permission to enter. Is it not at the palace ground that the customary court was located? What about the conflict tlresolution committee?

limeta:
While the palace wants the artefacts kept in the Benin Royal Museum, which will be built within the palace, Public property
I well think obaseki is right
There should be no ownership to it by any means
why build the museum inside the Palace
what about public free acces.

You people should stop commenting on issues you have no idea about. The obas palace is easy for anyone to enter except during igue festival. Secondly the largest land owner after the government is the oba

AroleOduduwa2:
PDP should throw their ticket open between the NC, SE and SW. SS, NE and NW shouldn’t be in contention.

I don’t think any of our current political class has what it takes to change the country, Nigeria is rotten, in deep debt and filled with hate.

Restructuring is the answer so every region can hold their leader accountable

Why should the SW be there and not SS

SmartyPants:
Could easily be Edo

Tah!!! Keep qwayet there!! Edo people do not bear such names

azraeljaheel:
Eh na wa o am not doubting you bro...





The other person said migraine yours is, it turned the person to a drunk


Toor

I believe una two

The constant pain from the headache has turned him to an alcoholic

azraeljaheel:
See e too early I believe you...


Una no go kill person for nairaland

K. Go and get caught by their dragnet, that's when you go know wetin dey sup. Its always unbelievable until they do it to you or someone close to you

azraeljaheel:
Read it couldn't stop laughing


Migraine ko

No be lie ooo!!! I know of someone wey dem gbab because of identity fraud around 1999. E don finish him sentence now but them been inject am with tracking chip. E no fit enter Nigeria again and the pain wey that thing dey cause am don turn am to alcoholic

the only thing wey me know be say na either through magic or alien na him dem take build the pyramids

gidgiddy:
Interesting. I have learnt that freedom comes from the heart. If you feel marginalised, subjugated and held down, you will stand up for your freedom

Thats why I laugh when I see or hear the so called "Niger Delta" complain. All they do is form one sort of militancy or the other from time to time, get Chicken change to make them stop being militants, then go back to complaining after a while.

Many of them are not sophisticated enough to talk about freedom.

But Im happy that they are beginning to wake up. I congratulate people like Onajite and Tamuno, two Ijaws who are spearheading liberation with their coastal Biafran tv on Facebook

People like Idu(Edo) Biafra on facebook, Emote and Uwasofia, two Bini women who talk Biafra all the time

Murphy Ogiso in Germany who recently sponsored a Biafran rally in Benin city

May freedom be the portion of all those who seek it

Those are not Benin people. Murphy ogiso is a known bastard, idiot always trying to cause tension in Benin.

Gambit23:
IGBANKE people disgust bini people. QED

really. do you know what you are talking about? please just move on