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Weah96:
Brother, you're missing the point. OK, the story book character you call God died and came back. So what? Muslims have a higher opinion of their own God and according to them, Allah cannot die. Not even for 2 seconds.

From the perspective of a neutral party, on paper, the Muslim God resembles a hypothetical almighty God more than your own. Your God was murdered, although you find it more impressive that he came back in spirit form for some reason. This is not a version of America's Got Talent where people catch bullets with their tongue or get their heads chopped off.

Good luck though. Just remember that while pointing a finger at someone, there are always four fingers pointed at yourself.

Do what you believe sir, I will also do what I believe, soon we shall all move to the great beyond and find out which is real.

Weah96:
This is pure arrogance being disguised as humility. So you are serving the one true God eh? Meanwhile Muslims have a creed which says that Allah, not Jesus,
is the one true God and Mohammed was his prophet. The two of you cannot simultaneously be correct. If you claim that your God is the one true God, then you can't just use your mouth to say it. Or point people in the direction of an old book. Muslims have a book from another true God who is not your own. They can also use their mouth to tell you that Allah is the almighty. What do you bring other than your mouth and a book?

Check my penultimate post and see where I clearly stated that am not in any position to judge no man based on what he or she believe in, that Will be when you talk of arrogance from my own part. But to anyone that will give me audience I will gladly tell the person about Jesus just as they are free to share their beliefs with me, I have atheists as friends if you care to know and I don't condemn them for a sec I only pray for them. And sir, when I talk Jesus am not actually communicating sense or just a book rather am communicating spirit, which most people will of course not understand. I have various instances that have made me truly feel that my Jesus is alive and is living among us today tho we may not see him with our mere eyes, we know so by faith.
For the records too, Christianity is the only way of life (not religion) that profess a living God who died and resurrected again, all other religion dosent believe in such as they can point to where the god they believe in died and the remains still in tact.
HNM sir.

Humblebloke:
How about the muslims guide..... The quran

How about the ifa worshippers....the buddists and every other religious beliefs who share your concept of God


What will happen to those who believe in ''God'' like you but use a different man made theory

Are they all gonna rot in hell

I am not in a position to judge anyone sir, that's left for God to do. But make no mistake about it, there are many gods no doubt but there is only one true and living God and no man knoweth him except through his son Jesus.
HNM

aaronson:
My night was short,Trust yours was good?

Right,I tried to be democratic enough not draw no conclusion on my big bang theory or your bible creation story,what I simply did, was to let you know the one I adopt to go by same way you adopted creation from the bible,its wrong to draw conclusion on mine by saying its based on assumptions and uncertainties.

Secondly,you can't come up on here and tell me point blank that science approved of creation and aristotle's school of thought, In the science world,hypotheses are tested by random scientists so you can't be so sure about science when your claims isn't a theory.

Theories are the end product of claims in the sciences which are objective, however,it is In great contrast with your logical opinion which is subjective. Yes,from your logical perspective science agrees with religion but that's to your own understanding of the sciences but as me, Science is way ahead of religion and repels from bible stories,its based on the knowledge about what I know about science and knowledge about what you know about science,that's just the difference between you and me.

The difference between me and you ain't about mere knowledge of science, the difference between us is in one word; Faith. I live by faith and not by sight.
Happy New Month sir

Happy New month people

You can't prove God with your peanut brain nor with any book, because he is not man but spirit, but we know and believe that he existed, still existing and will continue to exist by faith. The bible is there to guide those that believe in him in this fallen world.

And that's someone that millions of youth are aspiring to be like, a role model to many, the same goes to many musicians like him out there. My generation is truly blind.

aaronson:
if you would re-read my earlier post, I wrote earth is 4.5billion years old and not the cosmostic bang itself,I guess this is clarified!

Secondly,Re-Read my earlier post again,Before I started,I stated the fact that researches was and is still been conducted as regard life existence and the origin of the universes and I even wrote that,my findings remains valid to me until proven invalid by the birth of new findings,just re-read my earlier post and see,because I see your write up as what I already addressed even before writing mine. Just re-read mine and see for yourself.

Morning bro, how are you doing today?
I have read your post over again and I see your point but try and re-read mine too especially towards the end so that the question I asked can be answered. Your theory of origin of the earth from what you said first of all can be seen as full of uncertainty and assumptions and not facts as you paint it to be, jettisoning that and assuming that you are right, the bible then has always had it right for 2500 years while science had it wrong because it's the same science that went ahead to agree with Aristotle on what he postulated, I ask again sir how do you reconcile that? What happened along the line of science that made it contradict itself? Let's leave future research out of it for now because if we go into that, I can give you millions of reasons why there is God based on discoveries and our inability to know everything at once with our mere peanut brain.

OgundeleT:
ok

Goodnight man....

OgundeleT:
u can easily type it on google to know the meaning if you are confused.

No, i dont want him to reveal himself to me alone but to everybody so that no1 will doubt his existence anymore and we'll simply know his religion, book and how to worship him, revealing his existence to me alone is impartiality

It's all good bro, I know he is speaking to your heart right now, if only you will listen and let him in. He had been revealing himself all these while through many means just that most at times we are not seeing. Remember God is a spirit and not a mortal being, if he starts revealing himself the way you want him to by seeing him physically, then you will only worship him out of fear and your freewill will be taken away from you but that's not he want, he wants you to simply accept that he is first freely and watch how other things follow suite. Can you challenge your ordinary earthly boss to tell you why he is like this or that? How much more who created you.

@prettmum, Do you know that God have provided all that you need even before you were born? Your prayers have been answered in line with the will of God ever since but while you haven't seen if manifest is unbelief. Stop complaining to God about your problem and tell your problem how big your God is with faith and watch your turnaround manifest.
Believe and from today start thanking him for prayers answered and meditate on his word and I can guarantee you that he will visit you with or without you eating any fruit or crops whatsoever. God dosent need our assistance to do anything for us. I trust you are a true believer. Your season of joy is here.

OgundeleT:
Oh, i dont just believe in anything bcus i read it somewhere or somebody told me, i deal with fact and not believe and i can see that u cant discern fact from believe. Am an agnostic atheist, now u said u will floor me when it comes to defending believes? U cant, why? Bcus i av nothing to prove or defend, u said there is heaven and hell i said no and u asked me to prove it, prove what? That is a murder of logic bcus no1 has ever proven the evistence of hell or heaven and i said it does not exist if u know it exist then u prove it. If u claim God do something then I will ask u to denonstrate or explain how he did it if u can prove it then i will accept. So we need no argument here, no1 will floor anybody all u need is to lay a claim and prove

Lollllzzzzzz!!!!! Agnostic atheist?? Oh my word!!
That's the greatest confused statement i've come across
**shaking my head in pity** You don't believe in the existence of a diety or God(atheism) and yet you are not sure in the existence of diety(agnosticism). Incredible.! Bro please since you still have that atom of doubt in your mind and have not given in fully into atheism, I do believe that the spirit of the living God which searches all things will reveal himself to you and I can tell you, your life will change tremendously.
Love you bro! #no homo

aaronson:
This question complex to give a definite answer to because as I type this,researches is still on going as regard the cause of life and the formation of the universe. Now,previous researches conducted remains valid until a new finding states otherwise,planet earth is 4.5billion years old and its as a result of a big bang theory and evidence of the bigbang is why you have other planets scattered in space,the moon,sun,stars and other planetary bodies is as a result of the explosion of the bang,the cooling off and formation of different gases,which lead to mixture of random gaseous elements to what we have today as life,but it didn't just start like that,this process took stages until life appeared on earth. Now,one would ask,why didn't life occur in other planet,this is what happened.
This formation of life was best formed on earth under earth suitable atmospheric condition.the appropriate amount of Helium,Nitrogen,oxygen etc is what earth possess to make life come appear in it,other planets don't have such a favourable atmosphere for life to exist but lately planet Mars is been tested if it could habit life but No! Only earth is where life adapt to fit in,once life is moved from earth to any other planet,it will die a natural death cus that planet don't possess gases and element to sustain life.

Lol... big bang theory I know you will say that, let's look at some of the school of thought on that theory.
Actually most cosmologists believe that the big bang theory came into being some 13. 7 billion years ago as against the 4. 5 billion years you stated or else if you go by your theory some old theories wouldn't that back up your belief would be fallacy and wouldn't have even been considered today. An atheist and also a Nobel physicist prize winner Steven's view of what the big bang theory is states that in the beginning there was an explosion and 98% of the matter that there is or will ever be was produced. For 2500 years most scientist agreed with Aristotle on the idea of a steady state universe, it has always existed with no beginning and no end, but the bible disagrees. In the 1920s, Belgium astronomer Jorge LeMeyder also an atheist said that the entire universe jumping into existence in a trillionth of a second out of nothing in an unimaginable intense flash of light is how he would expect the universe to respond if God would actually have given the order of the command in Genesis 1 :3, which says let there be light and there was light. In other words the origin of the world unfolded exactly the way one would have expected it after reading Genesis and for 2500 years the bible had it right and science had it wrong.
How do you reconcile that sir?

OgundeleT:
Lols.. What is fact about what is in the bible? What makes bible to be supreme than other scriptures that gave a different claim about hell and heaven? Even within xtian there are diferent concept about heaven given by different pastors. Am only trying to call them to help u from becoming a slowpoke bcus i cant argue so long

You are really sorry bro, when we started our chat I didn't bring in the bible at all because I know you will centre on it to as a mere ancient scribblings, I started with as little as radio signal and things you use daily, while you kept on going back to the bible without making a constructive reply tho at least refute my claims on the same illustrations I gave you, you went as far as mentioning Jews which I didn't bring up, all these are simply because you can't defend your belief with even tangible and everyday stuffs. You remind me of a friend of mine that was later converted before he died. Well, believe in what you believe in but know that when it comes to defending our belief, I will floor you before you begin to say anything close to what you can ever imagine to the glory of God. If you want to learn, let's chat constructively without bickering and derogatory remarks. I respect what you believe in man, make no mistake about that, but I can confidently tell you that you are better than this, you know it.

johnydon22:
Muslims also maintain Islam is a way of Life too, so you have no case. . Christianity remains as much of a religion like others. . And what delusional hope are you talking about exactly?

Please i don't have battery because seemingly this won't even be an argument!

We ain't fighting bruv just wanna see if I can learn from you so tone down the harshness aii?
Lemme ask you, much attention has been given to
alleged cognitive biases and “wishful thinking”
contributing to religious belief. Do you believe that
similar biases (for example, the desire for moral
autonomy) play a role in religious nonbelief? If not,
what specifically makes atheism immune to these
influences?

aaronson:
No,Its not possible to get angry with someone you feel is non extent but christians tag us to be angry at god but this is what really happens.

Atheists have learn themselves out of christianity or other religion and once,they get out the matrix,they realize,all their life they have been brain washed with lies and they accepted it because they were ignorant all along,Now, that same ignorance is what atheists frown at in every believer but the believer would conceive it as though we mad at their god,how is it possible to get mad at what you already debunk to be unreal ?

Let me come from your point of view, since you believe in the non existence of the supreme being who created the universe, does the universe have a beginning that requires a
cause? If so, what was this cause?

johnydon22:
OgundeleT what would you have me tell me this guy......lol..

His bible tells him so naa. . what else?

Quran also told Muslims so
Shruti also told Hindus so.

So that's just it..

Where is your hope bro?
And don't compare Christianity to any other religion because Christianity is a way of life.

OgundeleT:
Since u av been spoonfed by jew myth and u cant use ur brain to think then i will leave u to be wallowing in self delusion
cc. Johnydon22 meneshe pls help this guy if you can

Lol... I thought you can defend what you believe in without calling for help, I give you facts and claims even trying as much as possible to remove biblical facts because of course you won't understand a thing yet you reply with baseless remarks and empty two lined sentences and finally calls for backup, that's a mockery of what you stand up for bro. Your help has finally arrived tho let's see if he can up the ante.

The truth you know shall set you free. Simple
You may have knowledge and when I mean knowledge I mean deep knowledge of something but it may not be the truth and if that's the case you will be in bondage.

aaronson:
Truth is I was into a christian home,Attended lots of churches,pentecostals and catholics,Did all what is required of me as a christian but curiousity got me thus far,I started off by reading anything I could lay my hands on when curiously searching for the truth,Started off with philosophy,the to the sciences(physics,chemistry and biology),then psychology,then Astronomy and geography,then proceeded to studying sociology and anthropology and I'm still studying because study is everyday process.

During the course of study,I discovered foolish men corrupted the world,It started in the pre-enlightenment ere down to the early medieval era but in the late medieval era,the great revolution came by which has placed the first world in their top spot of civilized people,The revolution came with man using his head to think and solve his own problems which actually kick start the industrial revolution and other advancement by the white people who embraced this revolution and now we in the enlightenment/post modernism era,Yet Africa is still stuck in the early medieval era which holds the belief in a god for their existence. Well,there's a lot to be told about religion,race and human existence but people wouldn't keep an open mind instead,they bash you for not believing in what they believe forgetting the fact that universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.

Wow. I knew you were once a Christian, are you angry with God in any manner sir probably because of things and so many unanswered question you came across eg why people are misled as you said instead of towing your path?

OgundeleT:
what kind of comparation are you making mr man. Radio signal is an electromagnetic wave that travel through a vacuum like bluetooth of ur phone and infared of ur remote control. hell or ur hell fire and heaven is a place no1 has proven by demonsrating its existence u can easily visit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio to know more about radio signal if u fail to attend basic physics class
i said there is no any heaven or hell fire anywhere, pls prove me wrong by negating my claim and prove me wrong, u can simply use you radio set to discover radio waves by switching it on can u now tell me what i will use to observe hell or heaven?

Simple, my bible tells me so. Lemme ask you this, if men that lived on this earth some 500 years ago were told that there is something like radio and radio signal back then would they have believed? The answer is no. That you quoted that Wikipedia was because God gave someone the ability to discover such if not we won't have it today and i tell you in years to come we will look back at the technologies we are using today and laugh at our dumbness when more discoveries are made. My point is, there is more to what the eyes sees and what our mind perceives and to what our brain thinks, so if you think that you can sit down there with your peanut brain and summarise the universe and calculate what God created or didn't create, concluding that hell or heaven dosent exist because you can't see them with your naked eyes presently, then you are simply arrogant and ignorant sir. Please do me a favour sir, when you sleep tonight take note everything that happened in your sleep and tell me about it when you wake up tomorrow aii? I'll be here to remind you of that tomorrow morning

They kinda pay the same role when looking at them from the same perspective, worship is a form of acknowledging God for who he is and his glory, praise on the other hand is appreciating what God has done for you by exposing your joy in honoring him with songs, melodies etc and while doing that you are also worshipping him. Both are important in our Christian life but praise for me is the one that God likes most because even the bible records that God inhabits the praise of his people.
If you have a son, which of the two will you cherish more from your son?

What is religion in the first place? Its the belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.A particular system of faith and worship.
Look at this this way, God is greater than religion, Nevada religion was invented by man, but if you want to be more accommodating, then you can also say that the religion of God is Jesus Christ. God bless.

@aaronson, you sound really educated and grounded in your belief and i respect you for that, but before you became an atheist, what did you believe in our were you born an atheist?

Kobeje:
Love your spirit man! That is how we should live as children of God. There is so much more to our salvation than we are taught and know.

I don't struggle with demons. The last time I experienced some demonic activity in my sleep, I didn't pray or even rebuke, I simply said told the angels to do their work because they have been given charge to keep me in all of my ways, even in my sleep. Then I laid back on bed and slept off and that was all.

Some would have had vigil because of that.

May the eyes of our understanding be enlightened more in the knowledge of our God.

Amen bro. It is only the truth that you know will set you free. Thank God I've known and am still knowing the truth without religious doctrines covering my eyes.

OgundeleT:
the way u people reason is so funny, i can easily prove there is radio signal by switching on my radio set. Stop believing in jew myth there is no heaven or hell anywhere

Funny you, can you see the radio signal or show me it's location? Is that not you where asking me about hell? is a radio set the radio signal? You are the one who is really sounding ignorant and funny.
Lemme prove you wrong again sir, since you are ignorant enough to mention a radio set when I asked you to show me a radio signal, I'll gladly show you my bible when you ask about the location of hell. Isn't that awesome?

Princewell2012:
Why do you choose to play game here? simple question you can not even answer, why don't you be sincere to urself, because you even knows i will get you right away yet you are comparing urself with Jesus, now between both of us who is hypocrite?

you claimed you father will torment his children who disobey him in fire forever, now i asked you a simple question.


CAN YOU TORMENT YOUR WIFE OR YOUR CHILDREN IN FIRE JUST FOR ONLY 24 HOURS FOR DISOBEYING YOU?


Yet you can not answer the question, and choose to beat around the bush. Pathetic.

No I won't and can't. But thats the point, God is not gonna torment you because you are disobeying him just as you correctly illustrated with an earthly father, despite the fact that man disobeyed and rebelled against him and ever since, God have been looking for a way to reconcile us back to himself because he loves us and dosent want us to perish, which he eventually did by sacrificing his only son Jesus for our sake, now it took God a lot to give up his son for you and I and you know what, you won't go to he'll because you are a sinner or because you disobeyed him, you will go to hell only when you have not accepted the prize God paid to prevent you from perishing in hell which is Jesus.
Now answer this, you are that man that knows that your wife and daughter will perish 24hrs in fire as a result of your standard of punishment on disobedience and you offered them both to accept the death of your first son as the only option for them to escape the punishment outta your love for them so that they won't perish burn in that fire, yet they refused, is it your fault as their father if they later perish for refusing your offer?

OgundeleT:
whether am an atheist or nothas nothing to do with d question, what is d source of the bible you said we can see hell and hell fire?

So in essence what you don't see don't exist?
Have you ever seen a radio signal sir? That's pure arrogance to believe that as far as you can't see, feel or prove it then it dosent exist. There is heaven and there is hell don't shy away from it because it exist whether you believe it or not and someday sometime you are gonna be in either of them. But my prayer is that you will make heaven because hell fire..... it's gonna be horrific.

OgundeleT:
prove what? has any1 prove its existence b4? I need not to ptove anything here since no1 has ever proved its existence b4. So u are the one to prove to me that there is hell by negating my claim.

The existence of hell can be seen in the bible bro. Do you believe in the existence of afterlife, another world apart from ours and a supreme being too or are you an atheist?

whitestar01:
sir, only GOD can answer our prayers. There are our enemies who use powers of darkness to persecute us, when u pray against their powers u lose out from their torment

Sir how can you believe that powers of darkness must torment you first for you to pray? That's unbelief sir, you are already giving them your corporation and they feed on it sir. I know my place as a believer in Christ Jesus who is in me therefore demons and powers of darkness don't dare to plan on any torment for me because they know that i have the knowledge of who i am in Christ, they will try tho from time to time because that's their work but you know what, I don't give a rip about them because am busy with my intimacy with God, I only turn and rebuke them when they try to seek my corporation and immediately go back to loving my God for who he is. It's awesome to live with this attitude sir

Lies from the pit of hell bent on deceiving ignorant folks. Betting can never make you wealthy, people should understand that.