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InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 8:59pm On Dec 04, 2017
ositadima1:
Look at it this way, u earn interest at the end of tenure. She invested 8.265m hoping to return 10m, capital plus interest.
I dunno if the original post was deleted but 10m was what she invested:

"I just wanna share the following
I got a NGN 10,000,000 tbills at 17.3880% on the 14/09/2017. The Discount value was NGN 8,265,963.84. I needed money urgently to secure a property so I terminated prematurely on the 17/11/2017. I was told it was gonna be sold on secondary market for 15.6%. I was actually fearful because of the 25% penal charge we have always talked about here; that doesn't exist by the way or maybe I don't get how that works because I was credited with NGN 8,726,027.40. I got a total of NGN 460,063.56. I see no deductions whatsoever anywhere and the head of service support told me the penal charge of 25% did not exist. For those who had experienced that in the past could it be a bank thing? Just thinking aloud"
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 8:51pm On Dec 04, 2017
awesomeJ:
10m was just the face value. The actual amount that was lent out was 8.265m. That's how much she was debited right?
did mods delete the original post? can't find it.

Yeah 8.265m was debited but if she had left it for the initial 364 days, 10m would have been credited back to her. ie 10m principal plus "upfront" interest abi?
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 5:00pm On Dec 04, 2017
Investnow2017:
Three secrets of Treasury Bills investing:

1) Buy long tenor if the rates are high and juicy - 16% up.
2) The Secondary Market offers better bargains if you are going for a short tenor (91 - 182 days).
3) Buy a long tenor when the rates are down and short-sell at your exit target.
gbam!

on point! I was about asking for the best scenario to short-sell.
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 4:06pm On Dec 04, 2017
Pharmtj:
the FBN branch I went to. the lady I met at the tbills section was reluctant to gv me the rates for secondary market.
that is where the cheating came in o. I usually insist or check another branch
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 4:05pm On Dec 04, 2017
awesomeJ:
Happy Sunday everyone.

One of the main purposes of our interaction here would be to identify available opportunities for getting maximum returns on our investments.
Now for a while after we had the talk on true yield, there has been a number of people who now choose to reinvest their upfront interest.
But this WhiteChocolate's investment has brought something to my attention, and that is the fact that one can "SHORT SELL" this t-bills market to make some more bucks.

He got 460,000 on 8.265m in 63days. Guess what yield that represents a whopping 32.25% p.a. If in doubt, please do the math, and let's see what comes up.

Now, "short selling" in this market is only a once in a while thing, and it will only make sense to investors who do short term bills.

So whenever rates start taking a dip, and you're sure that over the next quarter, there could be up to a 2% cut in rates, then rather than buying a 91-day paper at 14%, you could buy a 364-day paper, and resell after 91 days at lower discount and thus push your returns to about 30% or more.

If any 91-day investor had tried this in q4'15, when rates dipped by about 7% The returns would have been about 40% p.a and peak discount for 91-day bills at that time was about 10.5%

perhaps this is one significant way banks make a portion of their t-bills profit.

So I hope we see the opportunity present in this strategy, and adopt it may be.

P.S By "short selling" I mean taking a bet that yield on t-bills will decline considerably in the near future.
Bro you making sense o.

but why did you calculate rate on 8m instead of 10m

"He got 460,000 on 8.265m in 63days. Guess what yield that represents a whopping 32.25% p.a. If in doubt, please do the math, and let's see what comes up."

Her investment was 10m and that should represent a whopping 26.6% abi?
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 3:51pm On Dec 04, 2017
Pharmtj:
I thought as much.
bet y did you opt for primary market na
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 3:36pm On Dec 04, 2017
Pharmtj:
guys I finally got my alert of 21,153.22k . invested 670k for 91days. primary market with FBN. Hope I wasn't short paid?
mhenn that's about 12.6% o. dropping fast.

abeg let this reflect on the prices of goods in the market na.. things are still expensive kai
RomanceRe: 8 Red Signs You Should Lookout For Before Taking That Girl To The Altar by C4Ltd: 10:17pm On Dec 03, 2017
HRHQueenPhil:
the red signs for men are d following
1. does not like to take responsibility
2. cannot keep to his words no matter how small
3. always ready to fight or yell esp wen in traffic or his car is scratched by anoda
4. sees going to church services esp mid week ones or bible study/house fellowship as a waste of time and agrees with FREEZE
5. often complains when u add weight and likes taking selfies of himself half naked
6. when you cannot seat and have a meaningful conversation for 1 hour without going for ur bra
7. when he dosent seem to value your opinion or ask for it
8. when he dosent like to hold ur hand, kiss you or touch u esp wen his friends are there (could be GAY)

PoliticsRe: #atikool: Hilarious Pic By Twitter User Depicting Atiku's Exit From APC by C4Ltd: 5:13pm On Dec 03, 2017
grin angry

Christianity EtcRe: "God Himself Convinced Me Tithing Was Right" – Pastor Adeboye by C4Ltd: 5:08pm On Dec 03, 2017
stale

CelebritiesRe: Dino Melaye Donates N1m To Sadiq Daba (Photo) by C4Ltd: 5:05pm On Dec 03, 2017
cool

Christianity EtcRe: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Practice Tithing? by C4Ltd: 5:02pm On Dec 03, 2017
cool

Christianity EtcRe: Another Friend Of Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Replies Him On Tithe On Facebook by C4Ltd: 5:00pm On Dec 03, 2017
undecided

Christianity EtcRe: Setting The Records Straight; What D.k.olukoya Of MFM Actually Said. by C4Ltd: 4:58pm On Dec 03, 2017
cheesy

Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Ashimolowo's Allegations: "I Didn't Beat My Ex-Wife" by C4Ltd: 4:21pm On Dec 03, 2017
yemfemNg:
Don't say that again! grin

InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 12:25am On Dec 03, 2017
cheesy grin
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 3:32pm On Dec 02, 2017
shocked 50% off

black season?
4tunebest:
As much as i believe so much in the benefits of T-Bills, this is the best time of the year to invest in real estate. The 13th month, bonuses, etcetera should be used for something tangible, hence few weeks from now you'll begin to wonder where all the cash went. I did some years ago, and today, I am better off for it.

2 plots of land are available @ Treasure Parks and Garden Phase 2, City of David Estate, SHIMAWA. I am offering 50% discount off the current market value offered by Adron Homes and Properties. Anyone interested can buy one or the 2. My contact: 07062160601.

Documents: Letter of allocation, Deed of contract, purchase receipt
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 6:50pm On Nov 22, 2017
jaychubi:
wow u r the man grin grin grin grin
grin grin as in eh idey insist on full list... my lucky day I guess
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 5:27pm On Nov 22, 2017
megacontrol:
Could have been a lot better in my personal opinion, considering the trend.

Sometimes you have to insist on those bank officers to keep checking what else is available before you settle. Normally they will just reel off a few TB rate/tenure to you among the lot available and request you to choose the one you want.

If you had this transaction yesterday, just so you know I did 14.95% for 51days yesterday with same FBank. The officer started by listing out some not-so-good numbers but i insisted on NEXT until the above was mentioned. I remember they mentioned this 91d @ 13% you got and i passed it.

Personally i will not go below 14.5% for sec market, and so far it has worked in the multiple TBs I've purchased this period. PERSONALLY.
jaychubi:
I got 13% on less than 91 days TB via first bank secondary market, is this acceptable on 500k
got 15% 45 days fbn
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 9:15am On Nov 18, 2017
olujaidi:
The small sum credited came as a result of the fact that investment in TBs can only be done in thousands(at a minimum) i.e. the remnant that wasn't reinvested because it wasn't up to a thousand.
ohhhhhh shocked shocked Bro you're too much. - You mean the remaining fraction in my interest reinvested. wow thanks for this light.
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 8:40am On Nov 18, 2017
my people I have received my credit alert at maturity. so I reinvested in fbn and for the first time I ticked the option of reinvesting interest as well. my principal was debited and no interest upfront this time so I was glad. but when I checked app, I saw a very small amount in hundreds credited as ntb interest. is it usually like that? I wasn't expecting to see anything "INT REF" credited to me.
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd:
nice
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 3:30pm On Nov 10, 2017
Karidqueen:
Funny, isn't it? For me to invest my 200k for 106days and get 9k in return... undecided Really? That's kinda stupid thang to do. 9khuh I give up
bro show me a better way o.
AgricultureRe: Farmers Raise Alarm Over Importation Of Frozen Chickens by C4Ltd: 5:00am On Nov 09, 2017
Government focused on 2019
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Game changers
Christianity EtcRe: Take A Look At What Malachi 2 Said About Non-levites Who Collect Tithes by C4Ltd: 10:43pm On Nov 07, 2017
Grace Grace Grace

tithings are passed away behold allthings are become new

offerings should do (voluntarily not vain offerings o just to move ministry) otherwise a contrite heart and repentant soul suffice for salvation.

No pastor or daddy GO can curse who has been blessed
CelebritiesRe: Phyno: “I'm Not A Rapper, I’m A Musician” by C4Ltd: 10:39pm On Nov 07, 2017
"u rappers should fix up your life. ..yall are getting killed by South..." -MI
CelebritiesRe: "There Is No Curse Upon You If You Don't Pay Tithe" -daddy Freeze by C4Ltd: 10:34pm On Nov 07, 2017
this man has his thinking cap on. making senses. not a sin to question what you've been taught. not a sin to investigate or read scriptures for yourself. Free the sheeple is real. it's high time
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 2:40pm On Nov 07, 2017
MrHighSea:
I like lots of stuffs I've read so far.
Can the transaction be done using FBN via phone or are there loads of paperwork to carry?
just a form to fill. shekina
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 9:22pm On Nov 06, 2017
zamirikpo:
MMMite grin grin grin
grin grin

their news everywhere na

besides it takes an mmmite to know onegrin
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 3:59pm On Nov 06, 2017
I just received three days prior message from fbn notifying me of my secondary ntb investment maturity. wow! This one sure pass; nothing like RESTART or FREEZE or CRASH!

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