₦airaland Forum

darealez:
Your submission then is that we should proceed like COVID-19 ain't no big deal? Those who recovered where supposedly on Ventilator. If Nigeria's cases reaches over 60k cases, how many Ventilators will be available... A case of chronic pneumonia isn't a joke even with a ventilator, talkless of without one. I've seen what Italy and USA looks like with COVID-19, the best option is to prevent a COVID BOOM.

You have it wrong - it is the very ill that go on ventilators NOT those who have recovered! Those who recover test negative twice and go home.
As far as I know no Nigerian permanently in Nigeria has ever been sick enough to need a ventilator.
The thing is we are sheepishly copying other countries without adapting to our own unique situation. FOR SOME REASON CORONA DOES NOT SERIOUSLY AFFECT US!
China lost about 8million people; u didn’t see them worry about shortage of ventilators because they realise they are overpopulated - they realized they needed to lose some people as long as they could lie to the world about it!

januzaj:
That's because they have tested more people than other countries.
People are talking without taking this fact into consideration. Let other countries test as many people as USA and let's compare the number of confirmed cases.
Most confirmed cases but number-six in the world for most deaths behind Italy,Iran and Spain with lesser confirmed cases. This should tell you something.

Not only that a China is lying. Solid circumstantial evidence suggests they lost about 8 million people to the virus. Which is not much considering their overpopulation (1.5billion) - they used it as a means of population control!

darealez:
This is grossly huge if compared to the number of cases detected in previous times.

Dear Nigerians, please stay at home and prevent the spread of COVID-19

SadiqBabaSani:
stay at home, drink carry if necessary

But stay home for how long??
Below is an argument I presented to somebody. If u read it carefully you’d agree it is the best way forward for Nigeria:

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Ok, it is established fact that AT MOST we’d lose less than 2% of those who get this virus (though currently it is 0% for Nigerians permanently living in Nigeria!)
How many people do u think will die if there is mass starvation plus all the social ills that’d come with closing down everything? Plus the irreversible damage to the economy?
If u calm down and look at it UNEMOTIONALLY you’d see the sense in what I’m saying. (Also remember that both our birth rate and population density are quite high).

Also, SINCE THE DEATH RATE IS SO LOW, we can go the herd immunity route - gradually as more and more people recover and therefore develop immunity to the virus, we’d eventually develop herd immunity, at which point the virus is defeated.

Here’s the rest of my argument to the guy (which is totally original by the way):

First of all we’d be doing everything other countries are doing EXCEPT totally shut down our society. People will be sentisized to not crowd together, social distancing, to wash hands, to use face masks, etc, PLUS we’d also be treating those we can which will save some. So there’d be no “everyone is allowed to be infected at the same time, with no one taking care of anybody“.

Secondly, it is established that 97% of the infected, get well without needing any special medical care (so for them it is just like, say, malaria)

Thirdly we’d have more people who have survived the virus and therefore whose blood have immunity and can be used to treat the sick (this has been shown to work)

Fourthly we should remember we are overpopulated.
It is better that we fight a war and win and come out stronger (though losing some people), than to close everything and hide like cowards because of an enemy we know we can defeat (though we’d lose some people while doing it). Countries have gone to war instead of surrendering, knowing fully well they’d lose half their people!

Kiss your ass goodbye

TheWebbers:
This is what someone said on Facebook and I totally agreed with him

CC: mynd44, lalasticlala

Acidosis:
That's a stup!d post. Better for the 72 to test positive and remain at home than test positive and then go all out to work, school, etc. to infect 7200 in a BRT, building construction sites and public schools of 3000 pupils.

Sit at home or not, they will continue to share 1 bathroom and toilet for being unfortunate.

Actually he has a point. Below is an argument I presented. If u read it carefully you’d agree it is the best way forward for Nigeria:

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Ok, it is established fact that AT MOST we’d lose less than 2% of those who get this virus (though currently it is 0% for Nigerians permanently living in Nigeria!)
How many people do u think will die if there is mass starvation plus all the social ills that’d come with closing down everything? Plus the irreversible damage to the economy?
If u calm down and look at it UNEMOTIONALLY you’d see the sense in what I’m saying. (Also remember that both our birth rate and population density are quite high).

Also, SINCE THE DEATH RATE IS SO LOW, we can go the herd immunity route - gradually as more and more people recover and therefore develop immunity to the virus, we’d eventually develop herd immunity, at which point the virus is defeated.

Here’s the rest of my argument to the guy (which is totally original by the way):

First of all we’d be doing everything other countries are doing EXCEPT totally shut down our society. People will be sentisized to not crowd together, social distancing, to wash hands, to use face masks, etc, PLUS we’d also be treating those we can which will save some. So there’d be no “everyone is allowed to be infected at the same time, with no one taking care of anybody“.

Secondly, it is established that 97% of the infected, get well without needing any special medical care (so for them it is just like, say, malaria)

Thirdly we’d have more people who have survived the virus and therefore whose blood have immunity and can be used to treat the sick (this has been shown to work)

Fourthly we should remember we are overpopulated.
It is better that we fight a war and win and come out stronger (though losing some people), than to close everything and hide like cowards because of an enemy we know we can defeat (though we’d lose some people while doing it). Countries have gone to war instead of surrendering, knowing fully well they’d lose half their people!

NiCurious:
He meant, not kill Nigerians permanently-in-Nigeria, aka not kill Nigerians [who are] permanently in Nigeria. Tpharell

Here’s the rest of my argument to the guy (which is totally original by the way):

First of all we’d be doing everything other countries are doing EXCEPT totally shut down our society. People will be sentisized to not crowd together, social distancing, to wash hands, to use face masks, etc, PLUS we’d also be treating those we can which will save some. So there’d be no “everyone is allowed to be infected at the same time, with no one taking care of anybody“.

Secondly 97% of the infected, get well without needing any special medical care (so for them it is just like, say, malaria)

Thirdly we’d have more people who have survived the virus and therefore whose blood have immunity and can be used to treat the sick (this has been shown to work)

Fourthly we should remember we are overpopulated.
It is better that we fight a war and win and come out stronger (though losing some people), than to close everything and hide like cowards because of an enemy we know we can defeat (though we’d lose some people while doing it). Countries have gone to war instead of surrendering, knowing fully well they’d lose half their people!

NiCurious:
LOL, I had to read what CanadaOrBust said, twice...wondering about that non-permanent death thing.
He meant, not kill Nigerians permanently-in-Nigeria, aka not kill Nigerians [who are] permanently in Nigeria. At least I hope that's what he meant.
I do not agree with his position, though.

Tpharell he is exactly right. I thought it was obvious that I meant “Nigerians residing permanently in Nigeria”.
I’ve written about this previously (see below). I still maintain this below is the best approach for Nigeria because the virus death rate is so low AND we are overpopulated.
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Ok, it is established fact that AT MOST we’d lose less than 2% of those who get the virus (though currently it is 0% for Nigerians permanently living in Nigeria!)
How many people do u think will die if there is mass starvation plus all the social ills that’d come with closing down everything? Plus the irreversible damage to the economy.
If u calm down and look at it UNEMOTIONALLY you’d see the sense in what I’m saying. (Also remember that both our birth rate and population density are quite high).

Also, SINCE THE DEATH RATE IS SO LOW, we can go the herd immunity route - gradually as more and more people recover and therefore develop immunity to the virus, we’d eventually develop herd immunity, at which point the virus is defeated (see below).

Tpharell:
And if the remaining 0.5% become fatalities, do you understand what that translates to in a population of 180 million conservatively?
Do the maths your self and then ponder on the result for a moment!

I keep saying: there is no evidence that this virus can kill a Nigerian permanently in Nigeria or even make them acutely ill. Maybe the death rate is 0% among Nigerians permanently in Nigeria!

ademasta:
As at 2019 December, this virus was somewhere looking at the world with left eye, strategizing on how to hit us.

Now, should we still continue believing prophesies from men of gods?, cos I had been patiently waiting for CoronaVirus to end today, March 27th as assured by somebody.

Not so fast, he said March 27th but he didn’t say what year. Watch the video. You must first clarify what year he meant b4 jumping to conclusions

Throwback:
I think the kisses really aided the escalation of the pandemic in Italy.

We are reminded of what is hygienic and what isn't, despite being of passion or culture.

Maybe Nigerians will stop being dirty and stop spitting everywhere there is space. Also our international markets would stop being a rural pigsty built in the city.

We would now be forced to embrace the supermarket/stores mode of shopping for household consumables in a hygienic environment.

Roadside and over the gutter food cateens would finally wither away for the restaurant model.

It is amazing how small things and customs made a lot of difference. Do u know that Turkish custom of rubbing cologne on their hands b4 going out is credited for their low incidence of corona!

As for 9ja urban dirtiness, I don’t think it mattered much in this case - or half of Lagos will be dead by now!

highbeekeys:
This man has been very active. Kudos to him.
I'm only bothered by the ignorance shown by lots of lagosians concerning this pandemic.

Just imagine if Bubu was like this - there’d be no corona in Nigeria today!

This a very good question.
I’ve been pondering the same thing.

I think people will forever stop shaking hands and hugging.

Italians will forever stop greeting with hugs and kisses.

Nigerians will stop complaining about their hot weather, hot sun, and malaria - which are basically why half of them are not yet dead!

Politicians will start investing in local hospitals.

Japanese will continue not being too touchy.

China will ban wet markets.

People will believe TB Joshua less.

People will be more suspicious of pastors performing miracle cures.

People will realise that things are temporary - that things can change suddenly.

Things will never return to how they were.

More:
Companies will create modalities whereby employees can seemlessly work from home.

People will more value being able to independently make a living from home without being employed by anybody.

Meanwhile same Edo indigenes are misbehaving in Italy, having crowded wedding!
https://www.nairaland.com/5759538/couple-weds-italy-ignoring-corona#87826262

BTW Italy just recorded almost 1000 dead in 24 hrs!

Well if u went from Edo through Chad, survived the desert, survived the slavery, rapes, wanton murders in Lybia, survived rickety, sinking, overcrowded boats to Italy, then Coronavirus is nothing!

We’d be lucky if Nigeria doesn’t even levy new taxes - seeing as oil price has tanked

vixpal:
Your grammar. Boris Johnson, not Boris Yetson

Johnson, Yeltson, what is the difference

NairaMaster1:
Ours is worst sir.

Our president and his executive members are hiding it, bu9bt time shall tell.

Ours is WORSE not worst. U only use “worst” if u r comparing more than two things.
Sorry, I’m tired of seeing this on NL all the time so I’ve decided to correct it every time I see it!

UKBobo:
Lie, lie, he just wants to avoid the daily press conference..

Exactly!
I think the whole coronavirus thing is a hoax!

First Prince Charles. Now Boris Yeltson. What exactly is going on in Uk

Na wa

LEBEfirstson:
Folks; As today is 27/03/2020, I'm still waiting to hear about TB JOSHUA'S prophecy about this day that this virus will disappear. Any update please. Thank you

That is the most specific and direct prophesy I’ve seen in this country with specific date and reason. That is how prophesy should be. If it fails it fails instead of all these predictions and guesswork. He should get credit for bravery

Oteleye:
Thought they said there was life long immunity after recovering from the virus

Nobody knows if it is life-long. But there is immunity. Something is faulty in this China’s case

Then the tests or something are faulty. If u know the science you’d know it is not possible so soon. It is like you allowing someone to enter your house when you already know he is a robber who just robbed u yesterday.

Leonyluiz:
Will you keep quiet

Yes sir!!
If u tell me what exactly I should keep quiet about.
Maybe u r the one who should STFU if u have nothing to contribute. I

Fake data.
Many people have narrated how they couldn’t get a test despite symptoms.
Which is borne out by the following:
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The Troubling Data Behind Nigeria’s Low Number Of Coronavirus Cases

Nigeria, Africa’s most populous country, has a case count of fewer than 50 coronavirus cases. But what’s become increasingly clear is that low number is not because the country has been lucky or particularly effective with preventing the spread of the disease—it’s more likely because local authorities are simply not testing enough people.

The latest available report by Nigeria’s Centre for Disease Control (NCDC) shows the country had tested only 152 people as of Mar. 22. That’s compared with South Africa which has conducted over 15,500 tests so far despite recording its index case a week later than Nigeria .

Gerrard59:
Compared to Asian nations with propinquity to China having fewer cases than their European counterparts (recent cases are mostly imported). Funny enough, Japan which has the highest proportion of old people globally has fewer cases than Italy who we are told has the highest number of elderly people in Europe. If the infected and death figures discrepancies between Asia and Europe does not tell you the difference between proactiveness and reactiveness, nothing can. Europeans were tardy to act and largely indisciplined.

Below is Japan’s response to the virus. Compare it to Italy’s response and tell me which one u honestly think is more stringent. Response is certainly not the answer for the discrepancy between the two nations.

Useless data that everyone knows is wrong.

Many people have narrated how they couldn’t get a test despite symptoms.
Which is borne out by the following:
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The Troubling Data Point Behind Nigeria’s Low Number Of Coronavirus Cases

Nigeria, Africa’s most populous country, has a case count of fewer than 50 coronavirus cases. But what’s become increasingly clear is that low number is not because the country has been lucky or particularly effective with preventing the spread of the disease—it’s more likely because local authorities are simply not testing enough people.

The latest available report by Nigeria’s Centre for Disease Control (NCDC) shows the country had tested only 152 people as of Mar. 22. That’s compared with South Africa which has conducted over 15,500 tests so far despite recording its index case a week later than Nigeria .

Gerrard59:
But the borders were open and Italians were travelling to and fro within Europe. Worse still, people were disobeying these restrictions.

Why not - Europeans had no virus. Italy is by far the first country to ban flights, declare state of emergency, and quarantine whole country!
No, I think what did them in is their custom of greeting with kiss and touchy feely

dangermouse:
Haba! Wuhan's population is barely above 6 million.

See below

Gerrard59:
Or maybe because China locked down Wuhan and Italy dilly-dallied regarding locking down her borders until it was too late?

I know why this misinformation persists. But the truth is that Italy has been the most DRACONIAN of all countries in terms of banning flights and locking down people.
Here’s Italy’s time line:

**The first cases of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in Italy were confirmed on 31 January 2020, when two Chinese tourists in Rome tested positive for coronavirus disease 2019, caused by SARS-CoV-2. One week later an Italian man repatriated back to Italy from the city of Wuhan, China, was hospitalised and confirmed as the third case in Italy.

On 31 January, the Italian government suspended all flights to and from China and declared a state of emergency. On 8 March 2020, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte expanded the quarantine to all of Lombardy and 14 other northern provinces, and on the following day to all of Italy, placing more than 60 million people in quarantine. On 11 March 2020, Conte prohibited nearly all commercial activity except for supermarkets and pharmacies.

On 22 February, the repatriated Italian recovered and was discharged from the hospital. On 22 and 26 February, the two previously infected Chinese tourists tested negative for COVID-19 at Lazzaro Spallanzani National Institute in Rome.

Only because China is lying. Solid circumstantial evidence proves they lost close to 8m people