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Gombs:
Candour.. I can understand why you can't answer me.. It's OK bro

So that's all you can say after rummaging through scriptures and not finding anything to support your stance?

See as I dey lookatew

Gombs:
Much respect bro!



Is that sufficient to conclude it was just once? For Abraham' prayer to God was indicated once (the second wasn't really a prayer) does it mean he prayed once since it was recorded once?






Egton, get my point.. No come shift goal post na

The Bible recorded REVCEIVETH as in receives tithe... Receiveth is a continuous term meaning receives not received

Keypoint is... Levites paid to Melchizedek (even today ie Jews ) in Abraham... Out father of faith.

If the Bible uses a present continuous tense to suggest tithes are received and paid by levites to Melchizedek in Abraham our Father of faith, how much more we (Christians) who belong to the priesthood of Judah in that same order of Melchizedek? Remember Jesus is the high priest we are priests. These said, how then could you say tithing is obsolete?

I'm not trying to convince you, we've been through this longer than any folk here except Petra1

This is for readers sake.




You're yet to explain

What do you understand by the term "levites paid tithes to Melchizedek in Abraham"?

See the scripture below

Hebrews 7:8 KJV
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them , of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

What do you think the bolded portion means with respect to your obvious good knowledge of English language? Past tense or past continuous? Are you still going to argue with the bible on its specificity as it concerns this particular incident?

Where does Bible indicate that Abraham paid tithes again and to whom?

openmine:
Haba but that's being dishonest Nah...we also had Dis issue last year about tithe being a spiritual principle and I must say that I almost called him by his former monicker...its well...my family is fine...Wat happened 2 u on whatsapp?
it seems u no longer use the platform anymore...?

I stopped using bbm actually. I got tired

Thank God you're doing well

MuttleyLaff:
Nothing to explain,
what where you expecting to be used for Levites.
Of course, if one Levite, then one tithe was paid,
but since its more than one Levite who proxy Abraham paid tithe, then the plural tithes is used.
SMH, can't believe anyone will ask for this to be explained.

Just leave Gombs make he dey dance skelewu on top singular-plural. He go meet me here

openmine:
Are U saying petra1 is joagbaje?
That's very serious...I wish I had known earlier...smh
oga candour happy new year...its been a while..how family?

Yes he's the same and I'm sure he doesnt mean any harm by it.

Family is fine bro. Trust you and yours are well too

Gombs:
Ahn ahn... Answer greetings na

You'd do good to answer me first. Thanks

No vex bro. I greet you a mullion times abeg. Twale for you

The bible indicated just once. Can you now point to any scripture that indicates otherwise?

Time specific? Candour... It's me o, not some rookie

The bible said "TITHES"... notice the plural

Receiveth is a continuous term meaning receives not received

Keypoint is... Levites paid to Melchizedek (even today ie Jews ) in Abraham... Out father of faith.

Genesis 14:20 KJV
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Scripture used plural there, are you saying it was also multiple times inside this one "spoils of war"?

You're yet to explain

What do you understand by the term "levites paid tithes to Melchizedek in Abraham"?


Thank you

Exactly what the bible means is what I mean too

MuttleyLaff:
You and I know why
It is because without tithe, Christ Embassy Osogbo and others will collapse and close shop. Kikiki ki.

Of course na. Let me not laugh

MuttleyLaff:
Dont mind him and Gombs, his bumbling close associate
They can't seem to see the wood for the money trees, and are unable to understand that Hebrews 7:4 etcetera which they wave around is not positing tithes,
Hebrews 7 is taking solely about the validity of the priesthood of Jesus Christ
It is talking about Jesus and putting forward as fact that Jesus is of a superior priesthood to that of the Levites

As a matter of fact, the book of Hebrews IS NOT ABOUT tithe being pre-dating and superceding the Mosaic Law, not about the Aaronic priesthood or the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day, but is about Jesus Christ being a different priest, who is like Melchizedek

Over 99.9% of the book of Hebrews is talking about the supremacy of Jesus Christ
and profusely talking on about how Jesus Christ has a superior priesthood
but all what tithe marketeers can think of out of all in the entire book of Hebrews and zero on to, is tithe. SMH

The over reliance on tithe has put the fear on them that their organisation will collapse, will become non functional and its structure crumble, if tithe is no more made available to them.

The truth is, if tithing is stopped, most of these organisations will be forced to close up shop because all their arguments are based on their entitlement to tithes which they have no right to, their dependence and their reliance on tithes to stay/keep afloat

Just leave the 2 of them to be twisting Hebrews anyhow. How anybody can use Hebrews 7 as justification for collecting tithes from Christians never ceases to amaze me!!

Gombs:
Hey buddy.. Long time

Good to have you around.

What do you understand by the term "levites paid tithes to Melchizedek through Abraham"?

Is there any chance in scriptures that suggests Abraham paid tithes once?

You tell me where scripture remotely suggests Abraham paid tithes on anything apart from the spoils of his ONLY war. See the scripture

Hebrews 7:9-10 KJV
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. [10] For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

The bold portion is very time specific. Can you point to any other time?

petra1:
You're not a member there , you don't have a pastor . You can't say you're fully devoted and you don't do what is taught there . Just say you attend the service but not devoted .

Have you taken out time to ask your pastor clarification on tithes

Since his pastor is lying about tithes as you're doing now, you still want him to follow the pastor? What if his pastor teaches him that divorce isn't wrong? Should he still follow the pastor?

Gombs:
How many times will you have to be schooled that tithing preceeded Levites, who Bible said paid tithes to Melchizedek through Abraham?

And Circumcision didn't predate Levite's which explains why the church doesn't require it today.

Just like Sabbath didn't even predate humanity except Adam which explains why pastor Chris doesn't hammer on it today

Gombs my friend, I'm coming to get you

petra1:
Hebrews 7:9 (KJV Strong's)
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Thank God for scriptures like this . They said would have maintained it's not tithe . It's war booty . They wanted to kill the evidence . Just as some people who wanted to kill Lazarus after Jesus raised him . .

John 12:10 (KJV Strong's)
10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;



Satan you can't put tithing to death . You can't put offerings to death .you can't put worship of God to death in the name of any strange doctrine

Pastor joagbaje with spiritual gymnastics as usual. See what Abraham paid tithes from

Hebrews 7:4 KJV
Now consider how great this man was , unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Are you saying the holy spirit lied there that it was from ONLY spoils of that particular war?

Kollyman:
Hello sir,

The truth is that you are not expected to have more than one RSA PIN I.e, you are not expected to register with more than one PFA. When you moved from your previous work place, you were supposed to continue using your PIN with Trust fund PLC by just giving your HR your PIN and they continue remitting with it to trust fund.

Though, the commission has been promising since 2010 or even before then that they were going to open transfer window (platform that enable RSA holder move their pension contributions from one PFA to another while still using the same RSA PIN). This has not been done probably due to some remittance/record issues on the part of the PFAs/PFCs.

Back to your main question, it is impossible for now to move your pension contributions from Trust Fund Pension to ARM since the transfer window is yet to be declared opened by PenCom. However, if you want all your contributions to be together I.e one PFA (which is my kind advice) all you need to do is for you/employer do a letter to ARM pension stating that your RSA with them is an error that you already have one with trust fund and likewise implore them to transfer all your contributions with them to trust fund pension.

Note: this might take a while to be done as ARM might have to write the Commission for approval. Doing it now will save you from stories when you are set to collect your money.

Hope this information is helpful.

Thanks a lot for the info. My new employers said they already had a PFA for all staff so i had no choice but to fall in line though if i had the info you just gave now, i would have insisted and retained trustfund.

Well, i guess i'll have to wait for the window to be declared open by PENCOM so i can consolidate both.

Thanks once again for your kind response.

God bless

Kollyman:
I have heard people complaining about the quality of service renders by their Pension Fund Administrators (PFAs) the truth is that the PFAs don't exist in isolation, they have rules, guidelines and the PRA 2004 & 2014(as amended ) guiding their modes of operations. I want to seize this opportunity to say that the guides stated above are not inhumane but the interpretations by various PFAs creates the bottle neck that makes clients (RSA holders) suffers.

The truth is that most of the guidelines are available for the public consumptions but due to our attitudes to reading things we felt would not add an immediately value to our lives, we allow it slip through our hands.

I can confidently tell you that "if your PFA knows that you know where to run to when they give bad service, they wouldn't try mess with you". I remember those days when we have some customers walk-in through our door, we quickly assign the best hand to attend to them. This is due to the fact that if we misbehave in anyway as an organisation, we would be in for a serious trouble.

I have worked in various departments of one of the biggest PFAs in the country and I am privilledged to have access to some vital informations which could be useful to RSA holders.

Please note:

1. This thread is not meant to promote/demote any PFA
2. It is not meant to market any PFA or insurance products
3. Any service/advise given on this thread is without any cost /fee
4. Do not disclose your pension information to anybody
5. Other pension gurus in the house are also free to contribute

If your issues cannot be solved on this thread, I can likewise provide you with contact details of some top officials of some of the big PFAs in the country to enable you escalate to a higher authority within the organisation.

Please feel free to ask any questions with regards to your pensions.

Hi helpful Nairalander. just stumbled on this topic and remembered that i also have an outstanding issue.

Left my former place of employment for a new place in 2010. I was using Trustfund then before moving to ARM. I went to Trustfund office at PH in 2011 to ask if i could move my funds with them to my new partners but the babe i met there said something like "The market wasn't open then so i had to wait" and since then, i just forgot about it until i stumbled on this thread.

How do i go about transferring my funds from Trustfund to ARM?

Thank in anticipation bro.

@nannymcphee, longest time sister. How are you doing?

Igbagbof:
With no iota of doubt, this message CAN NEVER and WILL NEVER be from d Kumuyi I know.
True, context of the message is trying to make one steer away from sin but kumuyi can never come up with this.
People should stop all this lying - if u wanna preach just preach plain. Stop all this God appeared to me, dat man of God said this in attempt to express what you feel/think. The truth CAN never be backed up with Lies.
The originator of this post is a serial liar

This is what saddens me about our Christian brothers. Why use the name of Kumuyi in a lie to promote your 'vision'? Anybody who has listened to even just one sermon from bro Kumuyi will know he's never given to rubbish and sensational visions or prophecies such as this.

I got this exact message last 2 weeks from a pastor friend on WhatsApp claiming it was a vision by a Ghanaian pastor who went to minister in Uganda. Which should we believe?

We should stop embarrassing Christianity in our zeal to save souls pls!!

Image123, how are u doing?

I've read a lot of threads where Christians are arguing with atheists and I wonder to what end? Are you interested in winning the argument or winning the guy's soul? If you can't convince the guy, why not shut up? Do you think you can defend God? Do you imagine that you're actually fighting for God?

I even came across some Christians salivating at the thought of watching atheists burn in hell for ever!!?? SMH!

Christ said no man can come to him except God draws him and that's why I believe the best anybody can do after reasoning with atheists (as GeneralTee wants to do with hardmirror) is to allow God do the work he alone can do.

Pentecostal nonsense and charismatic madness have truly wrecked havoc on Christianity. Imagine Christians bragging about the number of self identifying Christian individuals in the world forgetting that Christ said narrow is the way and FEW will find it. If youll be honest with yourself, do you a JW consider catholics christians? Do you a Chosen member consider Christ embassy christian? Does the deeper life not see the LFC as an infidel fit for hell? I remember Adeboye (I'm not a fan) even saying once that in one holy ghost congress, God showed him less than a thousand RCCG members making heaven at last. This might be an exaggeration but it paints a picture.

Like I told one of the rabid gods-of-men defenders I used to spar with in 2013 that after following the "atheist deconversion" thread of 2013, I realised the problem wasn't those abandoning Christianity; the problem was with Christians and the church.

I wish GeneralTee well on this thread and I'll advice Christians to have the candour to admit they don't know than try to twist their way out of any inquiry. Jesus didn't commission you to lie for him. You turn many to atheism when you do.

Deut 29:29 makes me realise that we will never understand everything this side of eternity. We should be humble enough to admit this.

Also I see a lot of young folks on here who out of frustration, claim atheism. They dwell on so much negativity that you have to wonder what has prevented them from ending it all. Pls even if you don't believe in God or you're angry with God, strive to make something of yourself. There's a lot of beautiful things and people in life that are worth your time and attention, pls spend time on them and give your life a meaning. Your society needs it.

God bless all of una o

mufutau55:
I thought you saw it in some thread I posted it... check somewhere in "Off-Topic" thread.. may be there.

Hajji M.

ok

mufutau55:
If you are talking about my roof... see below. But if you are referring to the roof here for Honorable EgunMogaji; he will tell you.
The guy is my local Carpenter by name of Taofeek... he does both the wood carcass and the aluminium installation.
PM for his number and Info. Sorry, he is not on Nairaland, but many people here have used him thru me. Thanks.

Hajji M.

Ok Hajji. I'm sending you a PM right away though you didn't attach a photo of the roof you wanted me to see o

EgunMogaji:
I was told Bozac .55mm but you know I'm 8,000 miles away.

I just have to trust that the artisan, who is an alleged Alfa, fears God

no be small fear God

mufutau55:
Yes. That is one of the best design... I believe I have same for the BQ too...
I am having a buyers remorse that may be I should have use same in the main building instead of Metcoppo, because the more I see, the more I like it.

Hajji M.

Hajji, eku oungbe.

Pls who handled the installation of this roof?

EgunMogaji:
Here you go Sir.

Most likely going to wrap a major part of the house in same profile but in silver.

Lessons learnt: give the total job to one outfit to remove fingerpointing. Definitely going to give the main house roof job to one of the Lagos top dogs on here. No room for error.

Egbon, which company product is this?

ichuka:
Longtime bro
How's the Family doing

We're all doing very well. Thanks

I trust yours are fine too?

Image123:
Seedtime and harvest have not ceased bro, you have no excuse.
come no let us divert oga Jo thread oh, i no fit come dey beg oh.

No wahala. Make i dey harvest dey go while Jo and him crew dey teach us

Image123:
Hehehehehehehhehehehehehe, lol. No wahala. i see you're more on properties section now. Come an sow one duplex into my life. God bless you.

Haba image123, eyi o ma da o

After all the seeds you have chopped already?

Image123:
Okay, but give me some time though. Who is candiru? Is Candour still on this forum, as Candour?

I still dey but i got tired of religious and doctrinal arguments.

I still come here though, read anything of interest, SMH at some nonsense and leave

Gombs:
I'm gonna learn much here. Candour, please come.

Na una dey teach o. I'm all ears

Larwin:
Welcome on board.... You will surely learn a lot here from our tasty gurus.

EgunMogaji:
Thank you Sir and welcome.

Thanks my people

EgunMogaji:
First pic is what I think Hajj is referring to, I personally will not have less than the second pic and is what is required here in California.

Allow me to say this, don't compromise on your personal residence. This is why you toil at work. If you want a pool get a pool but make the access secure.

How did i miss this thread??

Egunmogaji, congrats on your project. I'm a silent follower of this section as i also started a project recently coincidentally in the same Elebu.

I'm looking forward to 'stealing' some ideas from you as i progress

Wish you an unencumbered finish bro

The calamity of oil price drop is indeed a blessing to this country. Kudos to the Anambra govt on this initiative.

Now our governors must stop taking begging bowls to abuja monthly to receive charity because the funds now come in trickles.

Even the ND states who have additional 13% derivation are not finding it easy e.g Bayelsa so states who don't even have palm oil would have to find another way to earn their keep.

Also the the NASS should get serious for once and start discussions on allowing states more freedom to own whatever minerals they have in their domain including crude oil while they pay tax to the FG.

We will yet smile by God's grace.

spyder880:
I don't support this approach because in two months time, the wood would have detoriated due to our rough weather. It may not carry the weight of the deck, causing leakages. It is better to hire a security man to look after the wood or take it somewhere safe. What if the money for the irons delays and you have to reschedule, the woods will still be up there?

actually, i don't expect it to get to 2 months before doing the decking proper. more like 2 weeks to a month. I just put 2 months as a worst case scenario.

I get your point and i'll see how i can get around it

Thanks bro for the audience

Chai!! Queen Elizabeth attend a pentecostal programme because a jerry curled smooth talker is visiting from Africa??

Indeed CEC has taken over the world

MuttleyLaff:
I am not mixing two issues together. Far from it,
What I did was, moved on, gone ahead and straightforwardly ask you a simple question that when do you apply Deuteronomy 14:24-26
Have you at any time in past, applied Deuteronomy 14:24-26 or do in the soon or later future intend applying Deuteronomy 14:24-26?

You wouldnt be writing this short story, if you had answered: Are you practising the Abraham 10% tithing or you're practising the Israelites 23 two-third% whole tithing?

SMH TMSIDK as in, Tell Me Something I Don't Know

The point is, you are fanatical about believing that every Biblical times Israelite paid tithe, when the fact of the matter is that, not all Israelites tithed. Income or wages earners did not tithe

For example, hired hands or farm labourers working on Israelite farmlands did not tithe. The farm owner tithes but not the hired hands, because there is no command demanding a tenth of the farm labourer wages

30“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.
31If you want to buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent.
32Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy
- Leviticus 27:30-32

I've come to realise you that you're prone to parrying probing questions without responding to them or without answering them.
In spite of that, please reflect deeply on Leviticus 27:30-32 above, then be sincere and honest with yourself when checking whether what you practise as tithing at all resembles Leviticus 27:30-32

hehehehe

How i've longed to hear a very honest answer to that question in bold

makes me remember my dear egbon Enigma and his wordplays e.g

"we do not lie, we just do not tell the truth"

Hi BabaG, trust you're good bro?