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Joagbaje:
I've been consistent in what I believe over the. Years. If I have said anything inconsistent I would have appreciate it quoted out. Christians will always have challenge of faith . Paul suffered peril in the sea and peril of false brethren etc. they are challenges of faith .

Did oyaks overcome this 'challenge of faith'?

As much as I don't want to enter this matter I don't think Gombs tried to paint anybody bad in his post. He laid the blame on family members and lawyer who tried to put fire by being wrong influence .

Anita said she was abused. Gombs said oyaks never abused her.

What does that make Anita?

Joagbaje:
You wrongly quoted me. What you quoted has nothing to do with pastor chris. I was replying a guy who said he saw someone going to prostitues and I asked what he did about it. And also that in any church there will always be someone who has issue to deal with.



I wasn't making reference to the marital issue maybe you should read my response properly . I guess the person who called you to come and respond to the thread gave a wrong information to biase your mind . Pls read the post in the context of what I'm responding to

OK o pastor Jo

vooks:
You are right my broda,
I don't wish my worst sworn enemy divorce, and Oyaks is far from being my enemy. I had thought the divorce would rouse them out of their theological stupor, show them that the signature frightening certainty and control over all circumstances of WOF is all sham and empty bravado. But lo and behold the lengths they went to cover it up and deny it. You can bet if divorce could be hid, Oyaks could have hid it from everyone to maintain the aura of invincibility.

Since divorce is not enough,let's hope something worse will not be needful..I mean death or sickness

Don't hold your breath bro....they'll find words to explain everything.

Its the sheeple we should hope will receive instruction from these issues.

Gombs:
It's weird how they both didn't see this in the OP, neither did they see the NO adultery part... They somehow saw "abuse" and some other things I wonder how they arrived there.

I'm frankly surprised someone here hasn't called masturbattion and curled hair, but I wasn't disappointed... They brought in WoF...

I'm glad the OP has laid to rest some issues sorely misconstrued... It's just about 5 or 7 folks of the whole 2000+ views that has issues with it.. Majorly because I didn't write what they wanted to see, which is- Chris Oyakhilome is guilt of adultery, abuse and deception.

Anita made him out as an abuser. Do you think she lied?

vooks:
Negro,
You are carrying a heavy burden; proving Anita was ignorant of Oyaks wealth and that she was NEVER abused.

Candour, pray for this junior to receive some sense

Don't mind Gombs

He's my man any day and I really wish he could be more objective about issues like this. No problems however.....I'm praying for him and i'll scold him properly when we meet face to face very soon

Gombs:
It's clear that you CANNOT show where I called/painted her a liar, as you conspicuously lied few minutes ago..neither can you show where I insulted her directly or indirectly... Or threads I opened in the past to extol her virtues as a pastor, spiritual mother etc.


I humbly acknowledge your new hobby.

You're clutching at straws my friend.

Anita claims she was abused in her marriage. She regrets tolerating abuse for so long in her marriage. Do you need me to tell you who she was married to? So you can know who the abuser she refers to is? If you say oyaks didn't abuse her contrary to what she said, isn't that painting her a liar?

Once again do you think she lied? Or will you admit she was truthful when she said that?

Also I said Gombs or others opened threads extolling her virtues and even celebrating her birthdays. Are you also others?

Why are you trying very hard to misunderstand over this matter??

Gombs:
I know you're alot of other things, but a liar? That's an update I'd have to admit now.

Can you show me where I painted her as a liar "for alleging she was abused" or where else have I ever insulted her directly or indirectly?

If you can't... You've just proved to the world your new hobby is frivolous lying.

See what Anita said in her own words

“My story is not one of a bed of roses, far from it but I had a choice to either beat myself over the regret of tolerating abuse for so long or put a stop to the abuse and recreate my life for the best.

http://dailypost.ng/2015/08/18/i-tolerated-abuse-for-so-long-anita-oyakhilome-breaks-silence-on-divorce/

Was she lying or not with what she said above?

After you answer, come back so I can tell if you painted her a liar or not then possibly apologise to you.

Joagbaje:
It's rather a bigger shame that all you can do is gossip about christ body. There's not church on the earth where you won't find someone battling with an issue in his life. Even Jesus had a thief among his leaders . You don't condemn a system by the action of an individual . And for your information we don't entertain officials dressing indecently . So the usher who's bottom is showing only exist in your imagination and your gossip pub

So you know the bolded but attributed kenyan28 problems to anger etc? What caused oyaks problems? Over smiling? Or too much gel in his hair?

So the thief among the disciples translates to a problem Jesus had in his life? Judas must have been married to Jesus the same way Anita was married to Chris right? Did the thief also have children with Jesus?

Keep on blaspheming Christ Jesus in a bid to defend Mr oyaks.

vooks:
But WOF theology has no room for God's sovereignty. It's all about decrees and confession and voila! You create your own world!
So was it God's will that his marriage was broken? The reason he is talked about is because he is the most rabid heretic teaching that man is God bla de bla...so everyone was waiting for the God in him to scatter his divorce in 7 directions

Candour come and see this inconsistent pasta oo

If it happened to mere mortals like you and I, its because we lack the faith or we're simply not Christians. Now that it happened to the ultimate 'god of man' in Nigeria, Jo suddenly remembers there's something called "Will of God".

I remember all the arguments we've had on issues like this since 2012. I remember the WOF thread and similar threads where I and others tried to make them see that their doctrines place them in a bubble easily deflated by reality but they said all sorts in defence.

I never bothered myself with this drama since it broke in 2014 because I saw it as simply another case of man and wife problems and his horde of loyal folks will fight dirty to defend him. However, Gombs in trying to defend his master had no qualms about putting down Anita forgetting that he or others have opened threads in the past to extol her virtues as a pastor, spiritual mother, celebrate her birthday etc. He even went as far as painting her as a liar for alleging she was abused then playing dumb when paxonel asked him to explain.

Is this the first time Jo flips and flops? My brother, it must be an attribute of their 'godhood' o otherwise why hasn't he paid good 'ol sirJohn his 500k?

vooks:
I can add another related question.
How did Gombs know that Anita, and her lawyers by extension, imagined Oyaks was was richer than $120K account+ a South African mansion?

There is a documentary I watched on Netflix,Going Clear: Scientology The Prison of Belief, it's about Scientology and the massive indoctrination that happens over there. Something that struck me is their 'fair game' policy where they justify attacking their perceived opponents; journalists, critics and ex-members. They also use records of sessions of former members to blackmail them, something TB Joshua has refined to an art.

I'm seeing CEC hooligans do the same. Initially they denied any rumor of divorce, then when it was more than apparent they played dumb, and now that Anita is hinting at breaking her silence, she is the Hoe of Babylon. In fact, the very fact that she has tarnished Oyaks' Benny Hinn-esque white suits by filing for divorce is more than enough reason to assault her. If you think Gombs is here to tell the truth you are mistaken, he is just Oyaks henchman. The gloves are off

There's a similar program I used to watch on Crime and investigation channel on DSTV. It was titled "my life in a cult" where former devotees of these 'churches' tell of their horrible experiences. You would be shocked.

vooks:
Anita thought Oyaks was filthy rich..she was deluded for years. She pushed this to her lawyers only for all of them to get a rotten egg when Oyaks told them he owns nothing barring a $120K account and a South African mansion.

How do we know all this? Gombs, Oyaks NL poodle
Even marine invertebrates can see that you are drowning and choking in circular reasoning; you are appealing to your own claims as evidence of your claims while rubbishing everything that paints Oyaks in bad light. Once again, why should any reasonably intelligent person trust you,because you are Oyaks fanboy?

You know after the SCOAN building tragedy, all sorts of blog's spawned with the most ret@rded conspiracy theories; BH,CIA,Illuminati, controlled demolition, 'infrasonic' weapons......I had always thought that SCOANITES were not too clever and they are an easy lot to confuse with facts. Then along came CEC hooligans, they are completely bereft of any reason, their sole purpose is worshipping Oyaks and agreeing with him. Not sure what made me overrate them...maybe it's that Sinach siren

Candour, this is Sillicon Valley grade geek?

Obviously you and I gat a lot of upgrading to do

Gombs:
Jokes aside...a neonate can figure this out, but i see your futile efforts to discredit the OP...

a quick brainwork...If he had, don't you think Rev Anita's lawyers would have found out? Maybe you should read about that law firm.

thanks

I'm not disputing your tale that he owns nothing. I'm not bothered if he was poorer than Ghandi or mother Theresa. That's left for his sheeple like you to rejoice over.

My surprise and amazement is how you got to know and his wife of 22 years with whom he coauthored ROR didn't?

Were you a domestic help in his house to be blessed with such privileged info that was hidden from your former mummy?

vooks:
Serving at CEC adds to IQ and there is no better proof of this than Gombs

That's Gombs for you.....my insanely intelligent friend with the techy mind

I can suggest one reason he is yet to do that; David sinned and Oyaks as a 'man of God' cannot sin...bad analogy

You have a point there bro

vooks:
Excellent question. Why would Gombs gossip count and not any other, including Anita's own account?
This is CEC hypocrisy; they dismiss all unflattering news as gossip and rumors while peddling their unsubstantiated versions as the gospel truth.

Gombs is an insider obviously. He confirmed it himself otherwise how did he know that oyaks had nothing to his name and Anita, the wife and associate pastor of 22 years didn't?!!!

I would just like to know in what capacity he served to be so privileged.

See Joagbaje says she decided to leave him and he got up, dusted himself and went on to translate ROR into more languages than the bible?
Obviously in his mind, Oyaks as a 'man of God' can never 'go against' God by leaving his wife, it can ONLY be the other way.

In fact I wonder why Jo hasn't called on the David scenario to defend oyaks, the man of God, after all David is one of the most God-beloved characters in the bible and he had a legion of wives and God even queried him for not asking for more instead of taking Bathsheba.

Gombs:
How did/do you know Rev Anita was abused? Were you living with them as a driver? Or gardener?

I noticed y'all skipped the "adultery" part and clinged to the abuse part... Awesome!

I don't know if she was abused. You opened a thread to tell us the 'truth' that has been missed by every other person.

So since I wasn't a gardener or driver with them I can't make any claims and I've not made any claims.

Paxonel simply asked "how do you know she wasn't abused?"

Were you an insider as an adopted son or domestic help? I admit positions such as those confer legit eavesdropping and gossiping rights to people

As for the adultery part, a man of God, a priest of God, a prophet of God, a beloved of God by name King David had more than 10 wives so what's stopping Oyaks? Anita should stop being selfish abeg

Gombs:
Wait a minute, so, your premise for saying Rev Anita was abused by Pastor Chris is this line

"you know Nigeria men are fun of abusing their wives in secret at home.
it is a normal characteristics of Nigerian men
"

My friend Gombs.....desperately applying the dumb stance to avoid being a little bit honest huh?

Paxonel's question is How do you know pastor Anita wasn't abused?

Were you living with them as an adopted son? Or maiguard?

analice107:
I think you are missing the point here. As much as am not completely on the side of 'Total control of the prosperity gospel'. Am also not the Principles of Faith, which it advocates. Faith or Prosperity gospel doesn't advocate that christians are beyond death. Everybody in the flesh dies. But what this gospel advocates is that, your faith can help you swim through deep waters which scares the crop out of others, and because of fear, they sink. It teaches that you can beat down Cancer, H.I.V. etc. And I have seen this happen countless times.

So if you're not on that side completely, by how much are you on their side?

Bishop David Oyedepo's wife would been long dead. Pastor Mrs Millie Ogu would have been long dead by now. I personally, would have been long dead by now too, if not for that violent faith.

Did Oyedepo's wife tell you of the efforts of doctors in Nigeria and the UK? Why did she even fall sick at all? I thought the rallying cry from the pulpit is always "i cannot be sick"? Did you read about the healthy eating that assisted in her book "delivered from destruction"?

Pastor Kumuyi's wife died of Cancer at 54. Do you think its because he and she lacked enough violent faith like yours?

The cases you drew inferences from, do not follow. God didn't say if you don't believe in Him you won't live a good and long life. Atheists and Satanists live longer and prosper more than even believers in Christ. What Christ is interested in is, basically our spirits. Being healed in our spirits. And our After lives.

Why don't they follow? You talked of violent faith. Do you think Kathryn Khulman had less 'violent faith' than you? Was Myles Munroe no longer a faith giant because he died in a horrible plane crash together with his wife and others?

Prosperity gospel says for instance if you don't pay tithe, devourers like sickness, poverty, untimely death etc will plague you. Do you think I'm lying against them or they're lying against God?

Finished reading it and I must confess that it's very touching.

Myles Munroe died in a plane crash with his wife, Kathryn Khulman died on an operating table for open heart surgery while atheists like Lee Kuan Yes died peacefully at over 90 and agnostics like Warren Buffet are still going strong at over 85. It's a debt we all owe and will have to pay at a time we might not like.

Farewell Kate Bowler. You've finished your race. Rest in Peace dear sister.

Hi dear vooks, trust you're doing great?

Funny I stumbled on the thread below opened by Winsomex

https://www.nairaland.com/1892195/truth-behind-christ-embassy-healing

I smiled at the gymnastics of the word of faith champions on that thread as they struggled to 'explain' away your queries and I arrived at the conclusion that the prosperity Gospel gets shown up for the fraud it is when the issue of death (I call it the great leveler) comes up because the prosperity gospel has no theology for death.

I've not read through your posts on this thread but I will immediately I post this.

Cheers bro

BiafranPrince:
Now let me tell you the story, we were camped at National High School, we were only praying and singing.

Why people didn't notice, well anybody along NHS will bear witness to this.
Again, unlike before when IPOB tell people to lock their shops, these times, we don't again, people only join when we come to main PH road heading to main Park, then our numbers will swell.
I came to st Michael's with blood stains and nobody believed I carried a dead man.
They came when we were justing praying, if it was when we have started marching around, it would have been another issue, which is why d docility doesn't come in here.

The soldiers took that man addressing us and others with him.

Of course the gentle people seated there don't resemble any violent group so only a group of madmen will start shooting into their midst like that and shed so much blood if your initial story held true.

I believe the line in bold is very possible. the question is when did the shooting start? and it was in broad day light so nothing can be hidden because the sound of bullets from the guns of Nigerian Army CAN NEVER BE OBSCURED coupled with the fact that you people there would run like mad in scattered directions. It would ring for miles around and people will hear and run, newshounds, bloggers like PUO reports based in Aba will hear and the news will be all over the internet even now.

Bros, i can't find a single news to ascertain the veracity of the claims of a massacre being peddled here.

BiafranPrince:
Sorry about the mix up.

Sorry, we weren't allowed to take pictures.

But this ones, sure, I was one of the people carrying carrying him to hospital.

The only thing I snapped into my memory was army hilux speedily entering into the school and after shouting "we told you to stop coming here", took our coordinators and they started shooting at us, took the bodies and burnt the school premises, to look like we did so.

Well, the bold has damaged the credibility of your EYE WITNESS status. If you didn't take pictures, where then did your [color=#000077]eye[/color] witness the gory pictures up there?

I'm concerned because knowing the reputation of the city called Aba, i doubt a battalion of soldiers could have shed this much blood, burnt some bodies (according to your witness) and been allowed to leave just like that without any resistance.

When did Aba boys become so docile? and i repeat, HOW COME NO NEWS MEDIUM HAS CARRIED THE FAINTEST NEWS OF THIS MASSACRE?

BiafranPrince:
Please I may have made a mistake adding the pics, what of this.

Now let me bring you gory pics. Hold on.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CayzOBMWcAEoeNT.jpg

You started by saying EYE WITNESS. How did you mix it up? Did you get the pictures from the internet like i just did?

Otherwise, how could you have mixed up an event of today in Aba with another unrelated event that happened in Rivers state almost a year ago?

BiafranPrince:
They also took away most of the dead bodies, which we heard they were burnt, like they did to Shiites.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CazRvExWEAI3tQH.jpg

why are you lying like this??

You cropped this picture from a report of the election violence in Rivers state of March 28 2015. See the link below

http://trends.ng/2-men-killed-following-election-violence-in-rivers-state-photo/

Why post such horrible lies here?

How do you prove the other pictures were not hijacked from some other unrelated reports?

How come no single news channel has a report of a violence of this magnitude anywhere?

christemmbassey:
Oga Candour the poet! I dey hail ooo!!

I dey hail you too my dear brother

vooks:
Very true my broda...ego compels them more than nothing else; mega-structures,jets and so forth. Pushing struggling churches I think is twice as bad where the mother church does little to help them with nothing as they get established

Very true bro

vooks:
I'm faring well in Jesus Christ. The relationship between h/o and branches is a thorny one. First, the H/o has overheads, is a cost center so to speak seeing it receives no offerings. So it's overheads must be spread out across all branches.

If it were down to me, I'd spread h/o's budget for the year together with a 10% contingency across all parishes/zones on the basis of their previous year's total revenues. They can keep the rest as soon as they meet their quota. The zones will then escalate their share to the individual branches.

But come to think of it, mega churches with hundreds of branches just attract needless nightmares. Why not commission ministers and release them? The size and numbers just pamper GO's ego.

Does it not strike you as funny that mainstream churches, Anglican, Presbyterian and Catholic have no such worries with branch management? There is something wrong with Pentecostalism, and this is imagining that you can suspend common sense and receive spiritual wisdom instead. We need to study how these 'unspiritual' institutions do their thing

Its because the G.O/HQ see the branch Churches as well......branches of a conglomerate with a mandate to raise funds for the HQ. Hence no thought for the hardship these small branches go through in the process. Its the same way banks pressurize their branches to churn out profits.

Also on the mega status of these churches, how else does the G.O show he has a direct line to God if not by the size of his 'flock'? Ego is important in this business bro...

Anglicans, Catholics etc see the headquarters bear a lot of burden for the smaller less buoyant branches and its so commonsensical that I wonder how it escapes our famous G.O's.

Giving in the bible is meant to be from the buoyant to the needy and less privileged.

vooks:
Candour on fire!

Dear vooks, how are u doing bro?

These our mog never stop in their determination to bring Christianity into ridicule. Imagine the brazen exploitation?

smithoo:
The GO of RCCG last year Ministers conference banned any form of honorarium to any visiting pastor and he even placed a curse to the giver and receiver of such. If you look at the activities of our men of God, you wouldn't serve God. In your anger, do not sin. Keep your focus on God and do what is right in the sight of God.

Really? If he truly did that, then its a step in the right direction.

Does that mean the OP's pastor is trying to play a fast one on the members?

Cc: dearpreye

dearpreye:
Even Christ never sanctioned us to visit His graveside. These are all man made confusions.

Of course bro....

A very long time ago I realized all these shenanigans and I stopped following men. The bible is written in a language I can read and understand so I do my own study.

Long and short is that I stopped following gods of men masquerading as men of God.

Imagine! Former residence turned museum and fellow Nigerians are paying to view??

We Pentecostals accused the RCC of a lot of similar things but as it is now, we've done/are doing worse than them.

....Just when I was getting my head together, I was told that our G.O used to live in an apartment in the Redemption Camp before he moved into a more befitting one. Now, that apartment is being turned into a museum- members allegedly pay N500 to see inside. Another madness and exploitation. I just don't get mind around these things.....

Deification of man....has he turned Christ?

Its sure his grave will become a pilgrimage site eventually....

The Church started as a movement in Jerusalem...it got to Rome and became an Institution.... It spread round Europe and became a Culture.....it got to America and became a Business.....Europe and America exported their different variants to Africa and it became Confusion but Christ is coming back for the movement "

The saga of the African spiritual business man continues........

Saying this man is on pleasure visits is being grossly unfair.

If this isn't trying to be productive, I don't know what is