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mufutau55:
@SPYDER880

Another quick question... if the electrical pipes in the decking is blocked; during the decking process, what is the process for the electrician to unblock the pipes.
Thanks.

Hajji M.

I'll love to know the answer to this as well.

Also engr Spyder880, what do you think about engaging the carpenter to do the form work for decking now (so they don't steal all my wood at the site) while i gather cash to buy the rods for the main work in about a month's time or even 2 months?

Is there any minus to this arrangement?

what an ambitious project!!

Another good place to come receive inspiration and morale

weldone engineer

mrZENographer:
Fault finder, I never said it's the only place. But it's the place I highly recommend. I don't wish to reply u again so don't bother replying. I've cleared you're doubt.

And what assurance do you have that you and your G.O will not be used as fuel in hell fire?

You are now recommending a place for him? Is it a place you're asked to preach or a person o 'righteous' Mr chosen?

Come and clear my doubts o

mrZENographer:
My dear if you want to prepare your soul for the coming of Jesus, come to The Lord's Chosen Charismatic Revival movement. which has been established with the primary motive of transforming sinners to holy brethren and preparing them for rapture. The church also posseses all the fruits and gifts of the Holyspirit. Come and be blessed.

Address: Ijesha Bustop Oshodi Expressway Lagos.

You mean i can't prepare for rapture anywhere else other than at the lord's chosen?

which God stipulated that? and when?

soulpeppersoup:
I see most people here condemn prosperity in the church without knowing that prosperity, good health and spiritual well being is a proof of one being a member of the kingdom of heaven. This is largely due to the lack of knowledge of what Christianity is all about.

The fall of man.

When man disobeyed God, the effect was poverty (Genesis 3:17-19), the earth was curse not to yield its strength to the toil of Adam (Man). This was the genesis of poverty which was not before. Genesis 3:23-24, Adam (man) was cast out of the abundance of God to poverty.

Redemption of man

John 10:10 The redeemer said He came to give life in abundance to the dead. 1 Corinthians 15:22 says all died in Adam. Jesus died then to raise as many as believe in Him from the dead to the kingdom of heaven. No saved soul is on earth. All saved soul are in heaven with God their father,(Ephesians 1:20) so its both an insult and a misuse of ones right for a christian to be poor or sick. Its just like saying Adam was poor in the garden of Eden.
You were redeemed to experience the life and abundance of God which Adam once had. If your not having this what is your proof of redemption. Your still dead in Adam

Message of salvation

Many say the church has left the message of salvation to preach about prosperity. It is unfortunate to hear this kind of thing. You don't preach a message of salvation to a saved soul but message of edification, only the unsaved need the message of salvation. When you preach a message of salvation to a saved soul it means you don't believe such one was saved the first time he gave his live to Christ and this unbelieve can rob off on such one to doubt his salvation. This is the reason you see people coming out for altar call every service day. They don't believe there are saved, so how can they be saved.

We are saved to enjoy prosperity not poverty.

How much of this prosperity is evident in your own life?

Gombs:
He said he'd give it to God... Now, y'all folks saying pastors are tithe collectors are the ones who should hide in shame... The man gave his tithes as vowed... My point is, he gave tithe TO God.

Abraham gave his to Melchizedek. Isreal gave theirs to Levites to eat (Num 18:24). Levites gave theirs to Aaron to chop (Num 18:28). Jacob demanded God perform a duty BEFORE he'll give his.

Oluwagombs, whom do u give yours to? Who chops your tithe? Oyaks or Jo?

Try as much as you can to turn tables, but any sane person would see that I used Jacob's tithe to refute your baseless claims that tithes before the law was spoils of war.

Abraham gave tithes from ONLY spoils of war. Jacob made a tithe vow. Which one are you practicing dear Gombs?

Refer to the above know why I mentioned Jacob's tithing.

Melchizedek chopped Abraham's tithe. Levites, the poor, orphans, strangers chopped Israel's tithe. Who chops yours?

What's new to me is that he imposed a fine to deter folks from tithing in cash

Now u know

You had no point. You baselessly said that tithing before the law was spoils of war... Should I quote you?

Abraham's tithe was of spoils of war. What's yours composed of?

I won't delve into your circle walking... I have told you and shown you God's pronouncement, however your deductions are is your problem.


My conscience is clear... Your deductions are however your opinions.

Would Abraham be termed a robber if he didn't give Melchizedek? Would Jacob be called a robber if he didn't make that vow?

Am I a robber for not catching this 'revelation'?

Try to stay focused. Stay on topic.

You brought devourer into the mix from Malachi and I'm baffled that a marital devourer caught up with oyaks. Was his tithe records in heaven not up to date?

My question was where was it written that God commanded them both to tithe? If it wasn't a revelation, as Abel's firstfruits offering, what else could it have been, seeing that God later instituted tithing?

If its simply a revelation, how does it become robbery that oyaks now uses Malachi to emphasize?

Redundancy

Once again, who chops your tithe?

Here we go again!

Let me fetch you a link about this malachi thing?

I know it must be from one of the tithe grabbers but pls feel free

This is common sense na... Wasn't Aaron a Levite? (Ex 4:14,that's another day's talk) Did levites pay tithes? What are you now saying?

Yes levites paid

Numbers 18:26-28 KJV
Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord , even a tenth part of the tithe. [27] And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. [28] Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering to Aaron the priest.


Whom do you give yours?

They collected these tithes and paid in Abraham... Simple grammar!

Are you saying they were not to pay again because they already paid 500years before in Abraham?

Were Simeon, Judah, Benjamin also not in Abraham then? How come they were still instructed to pay?

Also, see Levites being asked to pay


Numbers 18:28 KJV
Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering to Aaron the priest.

So, he didn't and yet, God blessed him? Na wa ooooooooooooo... You mean the line of promise had a dishonesty link?

So how did he pay it? To whom did he give it?



Stay focused.

However it may, how many times do I have to tell you my tithing predates the law?

We know. Burnt offering and sabbath also predate the law but i dont see you practice them. The issue is which tithe do you practice?

Redundancy.



Redundancy

Story

I can see you've got nothing else to say aside wallow in same back and forth.

Twas nice explain more to the world about tithe with you around. Thanks buddy!

Running away as usual?

Gombs:
I can Understand, I really do.

Sure

Why do you all have a problem then, when i say "I give my tithes to God?"

You're free to give to joagbaje if you so wish. The question is whom did Jacob give the tithe he vowed to?

Did Jacob give spoils of war? Which war?

Hint: Go to Genesis 28:22 KJV and see what he tithed of.

So its now Jacob you're following? No more Abraham's tithe? Of course you must enter a spin into the matter

See Jacob giving God conditions HE MUST FULFILL for the tithe to be given


Genesis 28:20-22 KJV
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, [21] So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: [22] And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Since its now Jacobs tithe you follow, do you also give God conditions he must meet? We know Melchizedek received from Abraham, who received it from Jacob?

Moses and fines... that's a new one buddy!

Of course Mosaic law was all about penalties. Sin offering, atonement offering, cleansing rites etc. Or you don't know?

Was Jacob a Sumarai, a Marine, Commando, of Sparta-like warrior?

Exactly my point. Abraham gave tithes from spoils of war, NOTHING FROM HIS RICHES before he went to war. Jacob vowed to give from whatever he made from Laban's house. 2 very different things.

Once again, are you a war captive from whom spoils of war are taken to fulfill tithing ala Abraham?

Punishment or choice? Is it their money?

Punishment for not using the ATM. That should be clear.

Heretic?

??

God is faithful, merciful and kind. He is gracious. He didn't talk about hell when He said folks rob Him, He however spoke of a curse they bring on themselves. If you like, tithe, if you don't like, leave others who do. Tithing, like anything in God's kingdom is a choice.

Won't thieves who don't repent go to hell? So why won't non tithing christians (robbers of God according to oyaks) not go to hell? Are you scared of saying it?

Why not say it and free your conscience?

The oyaks divorce is also a devourer... Or you don't think so?

Yup! I asked someone on here to show me where God commanded Abraham and Jacob to tithe... mind obliging me?

Abraham gave tithes ONCE of spoils of war, Jacob vowed to give A tithe dependent upon God meeting a condition. How do these 2 instances resemble the obligation on you and others that you're trying to preach to me today?

Scroll bit up for an answer

Be bold enough to say it na. Will robber go to hell? Will a non tithing Christian go to hell?

Like I said, it is a choice, if you like, tithe, if you don't... don't. I have NEVER SEEN OR HEARD Pastor Chris force anyone to tithe... NEVER.

Does Malachi 3:8-11 apply to a Christian? Was that scripture on non tithers as robbers written to Christians?

Did Levi Pay tithe in Abraham? If yes... Why do you have a problem when heirs according to the promise pay tithes?

Did Aaron pay tithes? Was he not also in Abraham's loins when he paid?

Lol... You all had the assumption that pastors are tithe collectors, I asked who collected Jacob's since Jacob said he will give it to God. The onus is on y'all who call pastors tithe collectors to show who received Jacob's, and tell us who taught the man the principle of tithes.

Melchizedek received from Abraham. Bible didn't tell us if Jacob redeemed his vow and to whom. Moses commanded Israelites to give to Levite's while Levite's were commanded to give to Aaron to eat belleful.

You can see clearly defined givers and collectors. Who collects yours other than oyaks and some crumbs for Jo etc?

Be reasonable na, were these folks levites who received tithes?

The levites received these tithes, and the bible reckons that the levites paid these tithe in Abraham, when Abraham met Melchizedek, who share same priesthood as Jesus, FOREVER.

Try and read your bible. Israelites pay to levites so levites can chop.

Numbers 18:24 KJV
But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord , I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Levites pay a tithe of the tithes they received to Aaron so he too can chop.

Numbers 18:26-28 KJV
Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord , even a tenth part of the tithe. [27] And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. [28] Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Isreal knew whom they gave theirs to. Levites knew whom they gave theirs to. Aaron knew his own job was to eat the tithes. Whom do you give yours to? Oyaks?

Who eats your tithes? Oyaks?

I can't

Ok

Ugonnax:
Impossible. Yorubas are not raised to be fearless.

You that is fearless, how many fearless acts have you taken part in?

Or your bravery starts and ends on NL?

Gombs:
Never knew that could be a difficult question to answer.. Issorai.

It'll of course be difficult for you to answer.

Thanks.
So, because the bible didn't say, shall we then assume their was a physical tithe collector?

Genesis 28:22 KJV
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

That's the tithe Jacob vowed to give. Who collected it?are you about to scream Melchizedek?

My tithing pre dates the law!Do we need go over that again?

Hebrews 7:4 KJV
Now consider how great this man was , unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

The tithe mentioned before the law was of spoils of war. Are you also giving tithe of spoils of war?

So, Moses fined them folks who gave money in lieu for the crops or livestock?

Klap for yasef

Pa pa pa pa......myself. Are u OK now?

Looooooooool! Tithing in my church predates the law, How many times do i have to tell you?

Hebrews 7:4 KJV
Now consider how great this man was , unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

The tithe paid before the law was from spoils of war.

Are your church members war captives from which spoils are taken? Are you a war captive?

see logic na! .

Just like saying, "we accept cash here, but if you bring your ATM card to use on our POS, we'd deduct 5% VAT also". Question now is,

How is the ATM card VAT a deterrent for those who doesn't have cash?

Have you heard of cash handling charges? My bank charges me 100naira if I refuse to use my ATM at the bank. That's exactly a punishment for still doing my cash transactions across the counter.

Should that be difficult to see?

Praise God you agreed.

Hallelujah

Candour International Version (CIV), yeah?

What do you think?

Redundancy. Go to verse 33

??

a new dimension now! Out of steam, no?

well the term "PAY IT" was from the bible, scroll a bit down, you'd see the verse.

So do you also believe a non tither is a robber and must go to hell?

Jo called it a revelation and principle. Will I also go to hell for not catching this tithe principle? If its by revelation, how does it become obligatory for you and I that it becomes MUST PAY according to oyaks?

The fact you don't know proves that the norm "tithe collector" is a fantasy of anti tithers.

ruminate on this
Heb 7 NIV
9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.


a little hint: Where was Jacob when Abraham met Melchizedek?
This should give you a clue, if it doesn't...then, I'm sorry.

If Jacob already paid according to the below

Hebrews 7:9-10 KJV
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. [10] For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

What about this below? Does it mean it was rendered redundant?


Genesis 28:22 KJV
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Is that why the bible is silent on who received it? Does that mean Joseph, Simeon etc didn't also need to pay since they already paid in Abraham's loins? Or didn't it cover them also?

hehehehehehehehehhihihiihihihhhhahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahah



I refuse to derail!

Please don't.

Gombs:
Abeg, help bro Candour na?

Is that your stylish way of running away?

Gombs:
Were they farmers? A 'yes' or 'no' would be just fine.

Did they farm would be a more appropriate question. My mum in law is a hematologist yet runs poultry and livestock farming. What would you call her?

Stay focused... Who was the tithe collector for Jacob?

Bible didn't say. do you know? In fact how did he fulfill the vow?

That's another day's topic

No wahala

Under Moses law, yes! You must have missed it in my post.

So under whose law are you paying tithe? Jacob's?

NO sir! It was purely choice.

Just like its your choice to avoid using seatbelt on the highway and get a fine from FRSC. It doesn't make it a proper habit.

Monetary redemption was not allowed for the tithe of animals. Moses declared in verse 33, that "It shall not be redeemed". This means that the tithing law of Moses prohibited cattle ranchers from paying money at all. They were required to give the tenth animal no matter if they wanted to keep it for some reason to themselves.

No argument here.

It was a choice oooooooooooooo! Not a penalty. The choice was however limited to tithes of animals.

Choice that came with a 20% penalty. Do the farmers in your church pay this penalty?

It is not a deterrent oooooooooooooooooooooooo!

If it wasn't, it won't be a penalty.

Including animals...

That should go without saying I guess. But praise God you know.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/scbu.gif

...and that was how a theory was born!

From the bible we see

Money, as i Just proved was a choice limited to tithe of animals.

Leviticus 27:30-31 KJV
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's : it is holy unto the Lord . [31] And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Is the above in your bible.

Well, no need debating Moses' law of tithing, i just wanted to sufficiently show that;

Your daddy, oyaks preaches mosaic tithe hence his saying YOU PAY IT.

1. the norm "tithe collector" is an absurd word, because y'all can't answer who collected Jacob's tithe, not if Melchizedek

Tell us who collected it.

2. Monies were accepted as tithes under Moses, but with an extra charge ( I call it VAT )

You can even call it "Omo Onile fees" or "marching ground" or "bush entry" after all you worship a god that would send devourer your way if you refuse to surrender your 10%

3. Tithing like first fruits were acts of faith by Abraham and Abel, acts that was commended by God.

Peace!

After all the time you wasted opening up "Midas touch by Kenneth Hagin for us and seeing what the man wrote about the so-called first fruits, you're still peddling the fraud??

SirJohn:
Hey Guys longest time! been away from the religion section, in fact, I've only been showing up as a guest on NL
Lots of important things to do jooor; been having a blast with fatherhood jare

Candour four mentions from your post on the 500k pledge. . . Errmmm!! NO COMMENTS

Gombs, Joagbaje, Goshen360, et al I hail o


peace!

My dear brother, longest time abeg.

Congrats on fatherhood. Why you no invite me to chop rice na?? How's the baby and madam? Regards.

Trust all is well with you anyways. Me sef got tired of the arguments and that fake miracle ish got me in more ways than I thought possible but anyway, its well

I think pasitor Jo is still gathering tithes to pay his debt. You can see he's not happy someone opened a thread to ask us to eat our tithes as commanded in Deut 14:22-26

Goshen360:
Longest time brother. Sure you're living in the great grace of God.

Yes o my broad. I'm flexing in the grace of God

Just got bored with arguments

Trust you're doing great?

Gombs:
I no wan just mention names... I wanted him to go there himself

Ok

So, Jesus as a jew never paid tithe because he was not a farmer shey? Ok, when Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, were they farmers?

I wonder why you're tripping over this issue. Are you insinuating Jesus Christ paid tithe?

Is there any law that forbade the Pharisees from having farms? See the scripture again and note the bolded

Matthew 23:23 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Do you know the 3 items Christ told them they tithe are garden vegetables?

Stop these fantasy of "collecting tithes". Joagbaje has said it for the umpteenth time, Pastor's are not tithe collectors. Pastor's pay their tithes in faith, as papa Abraham did to that man who shares the same priesthood as Jesus...and since Abraham is the father of our faith, I think it is self explanatory, because it would be foolish for you to ask me who was the tithe collector, since God didn't command Abraham to give tithes, and still went on to tell Moses to institute tithing. Who was the tithe collector for Jacob?

All these tory because I told you Jesus didn't collect tithes?

I'm also a priest if you're not. Pls come pay your tithe to me

fable history...

To those who forget the church actually has factual history well documented.

err, Moses' law was't strictly agricultural produce, and still ..it wasn't just crops...monies were involved.

There were only two types of income that were tithable: One was from agricultural production.


"All the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s" (Leviticus 27:30).

This meant that a tenth of all agricultural produce of the land of Israel, whether fruits or vegetables, had to be tithed.

The second type of tithable income was the increase of animals. "All the tithe of the herd or flock, whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord" (verse 32). Only these two specific income producers were subject to the tithe IN THE LAW OF MOSES.

[size=3pt]Thank God I tithe by the faith of faithful Abraham to a priesthood who lives for ever. [/size]

There was, however, one exception to this rule. Leviticus 27:31 reads: "If a man will redeem ought of his tithe, he shall add unto it the fifth part thereof." In other words, if a man for various reasons did not wish to pay his tithe in kind (and he wished to give money as a substitute), he was penalized a fifth part.

So after reading this part, its still difficult for you to realise TITHE WAS PURELY AGRICULTURAL? Does this scripture not tell you that tithe was only in kind? Is that not enough to tell you that even monetizing tithe attracted a penalty? Why will there be a penalty if not to serve as a deterrent? Or does it mean all you that are paying cash are actually adding 20% as penalty?

Y'all should drop the tithe collector brouhaha, and that monies were never involved, but just crops.

No my friend. Moses tithe was strictly agric produce. To show how serious God took the matter, a penalty of extra 20% awaited anyone intending to monetize it as the scripture you quoted also told u.

I should be asking you same, my dear friend.

No money as tithe.....only agric produce. Crops and the tenth animals that passed under a rod.

There are too groups of folks insisting tithing is not a Christian doctrine. They are

1.The sincerely wrong

2.The frugally inclined.

You my friend are in the first group.

Hahaha

Gombs:
Openmine, This thread has being instrumental for years... a bit long, but profitable.

One of the most involving threads back in the days.

Its a library of some of the best discussions on the subject of tithes.

I have no hesitation to recommend it to any seeker.

annunaki2:
But there is a difference, the terrorists are actually practising true islam as established by their prophet whilst the thieves and fraudsters in christianity are going contrary to the teachings of christ.

True

Gombs:
Pheeew. What a thread!

Openmine, you seemed new to this arena, and I say welcome! Certain gladiators here, over the years, have been mute for several reasons, but this thread, is a replica of another that has being long dealt with, devoid of the shameless personal attacks of folks who cannot stay on topic, but show their neonate nature in biblical discussions. I welcome you to this thread, and offer you a new thread for a square discussion, of course making plainer the things joagbaje has been saying since the thread below and many more before it.

In this thread, you will be amazed at the reasoning of some folks; Highlights include

1. Tithes and offerings, Tithe is done with, so is offerings, what we take today in church is called COLLECTIONS. Let me quote one of many

What is this? What we give in worship gathering is 'contribution' NOT offerings. We don't give 'offerings' in worship gathering UNDER THE NT, such was by the law.


Someone then showed where Jesus called these givings as gifts, here was one of the replies

when Jesus made dat statement there was no christianity, only judaism, it was still OT, Christ died gave d perfect offering(his blood) and brought in NT n christianity, in christianity, we are enjoined to offer our bodies as living sacrifice n d fruit of our lips. I told u , d money we give in church are contributions, whats so dif to udastand?

2. The myriad of insults from the anti-titters

3. This epic post by one of the folks who posted few minutes ago, he said
Jesus NEVER paid tithes because he wasn't a farmer,

the same folks said Jesus was under the law, and functioned under the Mosaic laws before His death, but we now see an exception, He didn't pay tithe because He was not a farmer.

Just go there, it's 31 pages, but worth the read. Forget the shifting of goal post folks are trying to do here from the topic at hand to personal jabs.

https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles#18401359

I await your response.

My friend Gombs, what is so difficult about mentioning my moniker? You can't be scared to invite me your friend to party na?

Now you're tripping over the fact the Jesus never paid tithes because he was not a farmer!

How about Jesus received gifts or offerings but NEVER collected tithes because he was not a LEVITE or is that confusing to you too?

Or None of the apostles collected tithes because they were not levites

Or the fact that the church NEVER collected tithes until 585AD after the council at Tours decided to go back to mosaic law for sustenance because of the collapse of the Roman empire that had sustained the church after Christianity became official religion? And even then it was strictly agricultural produce like Mosaic law prescribed?

Are you still confused by these assertions my dear friend Gombs?

There are too groups of folks insisting tithing is Christian doctrine. They are

1.The sincerely wrong

2.The criminally inclined.

You my friend are in the first group.

4C2215131:
Sometimes when I sit back and reflect on the harm these so-called men of God have done to Christianity, it baffles me. Courtesy of their pride, greed, oversized ego and whatnot, they have made the term Çhristianity' to be a pariah amongst civilised men (just as the terrorist has rubbished the term, Islam).

Islam has its terrorist while Christianity has it's wayward and posturing Mega Men-Of-God! It's a shame (spits!)

You're very correct bro.

Islam has its terrorists..... Christianity has its thieves and fraudsters.

Gombs:
I dey fine o... na the tithe matter dey make me laugh

OK.....

ceaser:
Like I said, I totally made the light points in the house independent of a central inverter. All the light points run on 12 volts DC direct. Some decorative LED strips even run on 5 volts USB source. Note that I have some standing fans and ceiling fans solar powered and rechargeable also running on 12volt DC.

As for the 240 volts points (wall sockets), I had all that routed to the 240 volts inverter, and for now, that is what I do. However later on, I still plan to decentralize that inverter as needed. A different inverter and battery bank for the kitchen/fridge and water dispenser, a different set up for the sitting rooms gadgets and at least 2 set ups to handle the four bedrooms.

The reason I think this is better is cos I don't have to always leave inverters on just to switch on lights in any if the rooms or even leave it working while I travel - the portable solar systems handle those ones.

Also like you said that wify powers her blender on the inverter and probably several other heavy gadgets loaded on a central inverter which you couldn't monitor while you were away, and getting home in the morning from overnight work and need to watch TV or something, I realize there is not much juice left in the battery bank. If you decentralize, you need not worry about much about shedding loads. If she like make she exhaust the kitchen supply , I go still get power to watch my TV.

Having said that, totally going off grid is an initially expensive process, but on the long term profitable. My DIY approach and strategy especially to the low voltage range (non-220 volt terrain) has been able to save money and stress associated with broken inverters that you need to always call and wait weeks for the installers to come repair.

Thanks bro. Its not a small thing o.

I'll save this your write up for future reference. I really need to shame PHCN and its children.

Gombs:

Wetin dey make you laugh?

My friend Gombs, how u dey?

Joagbaje:
If you want to talk to opaks talk to opaks if you want to talk to jo talk to jo. As long as you're willing to dwell on scripture no problem. But if you want to do agbero style of debate count me out. You can eat your tithe

With all the discussions you and I have taken part in in time past, you should know you're the last person I'll waste time with on the issue of commercialisation of Christianity or fraudulent twisting of Scripture to fleece folks of their money in the name of tithe.

I'm only letting openmine know the inconsistencies in the tithe doctrine of your and your daddy. Openmine is obviously just encountering you so you're free to keep up the charade.

Meanwhile, have you paid sirjohn the 500k you vowed before all of us to pay?

ceaser:
My guy, all that came from the strong urge to be independent of PHCH. There are more interesting things I have gotten installed DIY (security apparatuses, automatic water/solenoid valves etc) all running on 12 volts or 24 volts as the case may be.

I stay off toying with 220volt sources, so sadly I still need to depend on inverter guys to do the installations for the power points for gadgets that use 220/240volt sources.

I was still able to get some stuffs like 12 volt pressing iron, USB powered blender & mixer (it's broken now), 12 volt powered mini fridge and heater etc that I still use for now.

You're really a hands on guy.

I got an inverter installed in 2014 which handles all my lighting, fans and TV requirements. My wife even used it in an emergency to blend tomatoes. The snag is that its still dependent on the unreliable discos and gencos or generator with the fuel madness.

How does one wean himself off the power people? How much will it cost to depend solely on solar energy?

@EgunMogaji, how do you power your A/C's with solar? How much are you projecting? Won't the costs be too much?

@ceaser, your input is highly craved pls.

ceaser:
Arrgh! We think alike too much. Which one na? ?

Okay. Here is what I already have DIYed in addition to those solar fans I earlier talked about.

Got those mini solar home systems that has 4 or 6 three watt LED bulbs. I jettisoned the bulbs rhat cane with the units as they are so tightly integrated for me to mod. Instead, I modded the usual POP flat panel SMD 2835 LED lights being sold by nna bros from 3 watts to 0.9 watts. That means I get twelve 0.9 watts bulbs from factory four 3 watts. This gives me the same lumen output but with better flexibility in terms of better battery back up and power management.

This way all rooms in the building run independently their own lighting (about 4 or 5 flat panel LED lights/spotlights per room depending on the room size)

Now for the bathrooms, I need to discourage wastage in the form of leaving the lights on after people are done with their business there. I achieved that by hooking PIR sensors to the bathroom bulbs and have the delay set at 2 minutes (of course it still stays on even if you are in there for 5 hours but soon as you exit the place, it switches off after 2 minutes of inactivity).

Now for the security lights, I had a daytime off - nighttime on type of LDR hooked to the light source to the security lights. They automatically turn on at dusk and off at dawn.

Haven't noticed any bugs so far.

Wait o, are all these for a naija house? This is interesting.

I think i need a lecture from you and egunmogaji...

annunaki2:
Even if oyaks repents from the tithes scam, I doubt very much that joagbaje will repent from this very lucrative scam.

May God help us then

openmine:
Oga Joagbaje and tithes are liken to bread and butter....they can never be separated...
Oga candour how far nah...longest time....

My brother, yeah its been a while

I'm doing great. I trust you're good too?

Cheers

Joagbaje:
But you must know that there are different kinds of giving in Gods kingdom .
Giving of Offering
Giving of tithe,
Giving of Alms
Giving to parents (honor)
Giving to your prophet or MOG
Giving for projects in Gods house .

@openmine, Compare the bold above with what joagbaje and his oga teach their flocks in their most important literature after the bible(for some of them, you could argue that ROR is more important than the bible)

The Giving That Stands You Out – Thursday April 7, 2011 – Pastor Chris

And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet (Acts 4:36-37).

It’s impossible for a Christian who only gives his tithes and offerings to feel like an accomplished giver, but the Bible lets us know these aren’t enough. Your tithes for example belong to God, and He expects you to give them to Him anyway. The man who does otherwise is a robber: “Will a man rob God: Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings” (Malachi 3:8 ).

God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); He’s God. So you MUST give Him your tithes and your offerings, as God. [size=14pt]Actually, you pay your tithe; you don’t give it, as you would your free-will offering. So your tithe is not a gift, because you don’t pay a gift.[/size] Your offering on the other hand isnt just a donation made to the Church, but a sacrifice offered to a divine being. God actually demanded for it in Exodus 23:15: “…None shall appear before Me empty-handed” (AMP).

So, beyond your tithes and giving your offerings, which are compulsory for every believer, you have to go the extra mile by getting financially involved in the spread of the Gospel. This type of giving is special because it isn’t a compulsion, but is done out of your love and commitment to the Gospel. 2 Corinthians 9:7 (AMP) says, “Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion, for God loves (He takes pleasure in, prizes above other things, and is unwilling to abandon or to do without) a cheerful (joyous, “prompt to do it”) giver [whose heart is in his giving]. This is the giving that stands you out.”

Remember it’s in your interest and in your favour when you give to the Lord, for He has promised great returns and mighty harvest of blessings for the giver. So be sure to be counted among those who give financially towards the things of God. In our Ministry, we have several platforms through which we reach millions of souls around the world every day with the Gospel. Locate such opportunities and participate big-time. That’s how to get relevant in the Kingdom and make your life count.

Prayer
Dear Father, thank you for the available opportunities I have to give towards the work of the Kingdom today, realizing that they’ve been put in place for me to make my relevance and impact in world evangelism felt through my giving. Thank you Lord, for continuously increasing my capacity to give, in Jesus’ Name. Amen,

Further Study
Luke 8:2-3
And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Bible Luke 11:14-36
Reading plan Judges 3-4

2 Year Bible Matthew 27:55-66
Reading Plan Leviticus 7

Rhapsody of Realities Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

Joagbaje says you give tithe as voluntary but his most holy ROR by his daddy says actually you PAY tithe and its a MUST otherwise you're a robber.

Jo can't change. Not until oyaks repents from the fraud of tithe demands.

BBackOurGlory:
Where were the Apostles serving? On the streets or in their houses?

Please, lets mind our reasoning and stop blind argument for or against tithes.

In the last day, the truth will emerge.

Thanks

They were serving in the Lord's vineyard.

Do you have a problem with that bro?

kekakuz:
today,my Pastor told story of how dangote gave a Kenyan flight ticket to bishop because his flight was delayed and bishop blessed him with the key of business of Africa.
now am not counting the story,I just want to know if anyone out there has a more complete version of the story. its really inspiring.

Your pastor told a lie. simple

anitank:
This post is very educating yet worrisome, especially for a lady who wants to start a building project with absolutely no orientation at all. It's even hardest when you live outside the country and have to deal with hearsay and trust. And you can't even entirely trust your own family members because everybody want to enrich their pockets from you.

The longer I wait the more badly I want to build a house of my own, yet I can't deal with this

You have to find the courage to try otherwise you will NEVER make that dream of owning your own house possible.

Every endeavor is a risk.....even life.

sorepco:
U r a big fat greek liar. I ve sum1 who was building 2 houses...4 deckibgs at same time in obosi. And the laxy corrupt onitsha-obosi people milked him so much so that he almost abandoned the project. Guess what the monies milked from him would ve built another 4 storey building!!!


He paid obosi and onitsha omoniles.
He paid the old and new village councils of both towns.
He paid elder council
He paid ancestors fee
He paid local govt
He paid state govt
There was 1 of the aforementioned receipts the wife lost...he repaid again

If this is true, it means the obio akpor boys dey learn work