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tensor777:
What has all this recycled conspiracy yarns got to do with the topic. If you want to talk about how to create a socialist utopia in Africa why not open a thread for that?
Is it by force to buy into your deranged theories

Tensor you have got to be one of the most ignorant human beings i have ever encountered on an internet forum, you live here in the UK, where it is so easy to access books, information and research materials and yet you display a staggering level of ignorance as to what is going on in your own country.  Is SAP a conspiracy theory?  How about the role of the IMF and the World Bank in africa - are those based on conspiracy theories?  Even whites themselves admit openly about the role these two institutions have been playing in africa and nigeria in particular and yet you turn away from the truth and convince yourself that it is all a conspiracy theory, are you sure you are sane?

why wear your ignorance like a badge of honour when you could simply re-educate yourself?

please read these:


http://www.newsrescue.com/2009/05/how-the-imf-world-bank-and-structural-adjustment-programsap-destroyed-africa/

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jun1999/nig-j12.shtml

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Africa/Continent_Crisis.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3cJ5IsCt5Q&feature=related

[quote author=invisible! link=topic=549292.msg7185913#msg7185913 date=1290314872]Cap, be rest assured of one thing, I can buy you up anytime anyday, and have change left. But what can I do with a deranged dog foaming in the mouth for Gods sake? Talking with you is a waste of productve time.[/quote]buy me up with what?? the problem with people like you is that you  suffer from chronic big manism syndrome (CBMS) aka delusions of grandeur.  YOu see you are desperate to be a somebody but you do not understand that in this life in order to be recognised as a somebody you have to be part of a great nation, do you see europeans or americans  talking about their lavish mansions, their stocks and shares, their bonds, their trust funds - these are proper investments not the chicken change people like you are used to playing around with in nigeria.  These are solid investments that can be passed on from generation to generation not the loose change that people like you brag about.  Let one person in a nigerian household loose his job or die and see how the entire family will collapse.  Apart from kleptocrats who are living large on their ill gotten wealth, how many nigerians pass on substantial  investments and inheritances to their dependants?
You want to open eye for me because you've just discovered how it feels to go a day without being hungry, fool!!
You are well out of your depth with me boy, you are too naive and inexperienced to even begin to understand how this world works.
You want to be looked up to as a  big man but you dont want to lay the foundation that will enable you to be regarded as one, you havent even got the balls or the intelligence to organise and find a way to rid yourself of the cause of your problems, instead like a coward you seek succour in religion. Is it religion that made the US the world super power that it is today, is it religion that made europe great, is it religion that made germany or japan giants in innovation and technology? 

Look at you - you are a midget flexing muscles at the feet of a giant.

When you said the civil servants are being owed for years, it became clear you last heard of Nigeria since 1986. You are not saying adamu cannot save again, but he cannot be paid. You are pathetic.

In 1986 IBB had just started implementing his Structural Adjustment programme, the plan to undermine nigeria's economy by international financial institutions was well under way, perhaps you are too young to understand the trajectory of nigeria's economic destruction. It was from that period onwards that nigeria's currency was devalued, public sector workers jobs were cut, public expenditure on education and health care was cut -this in turn triggered mass unemployment, mass exodus of skilled workers to europe and america, the knock on effect of SAP were a rise in crime, prostitution and other social vices.
I have relatives and friends in nigeria who i speak to regularly and some of them have not been paid for months on end sometimes even years. Many of these people have to find alternative ways to supplement their existence, many are engaged in all kinds of nefarious activities in order to keep body and soul together, for you to deny that these things are actually happening in nigeria demonstrates your level of self denial and desperation to gloss over the grim poverty that the average nigerian is living under.

Those Nigerians sleeping at embassies are like you, lazy, ill-informed and greedy for an easy life which they believe will happen immediately they land at Heathrow. They will become you, ranting from the web, still frustrated like always. Your life will never change, untill you look for your roots and pay back the money you stole to travel, your past is still haunting you and you may die from guilt. Your uncle you stole his goat says I should tell you to come home, he has forgiven you.

but they are an indication that all is not well in nigeria, people gravitate towards where they can make a living, i suppose the european immigrants who fled europe for america in the early part of the twentieth century for a better life were "lazy, ill informed and greedy".  In as much as i beleive that it is up to us to rebuild nigeria in order to make it a place worth living in i do not subscribe to your myopic view that everyone who leaves is simply workshy.
I am not frustrated neither am i detached from my roots - i am merely speaking the truth about nigeria, im not in the habit of pretending everything is fantastic when the facts demonstrate the complete opposite, Fela Kuti really understood the mentality of the average nigerian when he described us as people who in the face of great poverty, repression and despair continue to deceive ourselves by glossing over everything.  We are not yet ready to be emancipated as  a people, a people can only be emancipated when they acknowledge that there is something wrong with their condition.

Sagamite:
No, I am expecting your retarded arse to answer my question about your initial dumb (as usual) entry into the thread, so I can give you the usual and inevitable thumping and show how dump and mentally deranged you are.

Sagamite the first thing you are going to have to do for me is enrol in an adult education class because your grammar and spelling is quite frankly appalling.  How long have you been working as a security guard in tescos?  Surely by now you must have been able to save up enough to pay for your fees to attend night school somewhere in hackney.

Secondly you really need to do something about your anger, any chance of anger management classes?  You see you're not doing yourself any favours with your hysterical off the wall responses.

Thirdly, i just love pressing your buttons, its so easy to get you going, its like sparring with a deranged chimp on crack, the more i dangle the bait before you the crazier and more off the wall your responses become.  I hate to imagine what your blood pressure must be like, well good luck with all of the above and look forward to having an adult conversation with you when you've sorted out the education thingy.

saggy are you afraid to click on the links? - will your fragile ego shatter into a million pieces if you do? come on grow some balls for once in your life, man up and click on the links and then perhaps i might just try and have an adult discussion with you

schizo saggy - this is you, a house negro:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-a6EzIpwJI

sagamite this is for you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ&feature=player_embedded

buzugee:
that guy is crazy. he is comparing the minimal taxes from miniscule self-limiting sources to what the govt can actually get when they get property tax, home insurance, auto insurance, council tax, sales tax,  road tax etc from 150 million people in nigeria. the fool is comparing 1 pence to a 50 pound note.

buzugee all these years youve been in the UK did you even manage to get a decent education or did you spend your entire time smoking ganja in brixton and shooting up LSD on some sink estate in berkshire? 

I can see from the way you express yourself that you are one of those nigerians surviving by way of the grey economy: dodgy credit card deals here and there and the almighty giro, this is why your brain is so empty,  try and use the spare time that you have on your hands to improve your literacy skills so that you do not end up embarrassing yourself when you eventually relocate to Gambia.

buzugee:
that guy is a weak man. his weak mind cannot fathom or comprehend what people are doing in nigeria.

Macho man, if nigeria is such a haven why are you thinking of relocating to Gambia?  remember these words:

Quote from: buzugee on November 12, 2010, 08:55 PM
[b]i will look into the gambia.[/b]bros i am the only black man in my job and in my neighborhood. the thing is changing me. i am a totally different person from when i was in naija. i am now a honorary white man. when i was in naija i loved dark skinned women. i remember watching different world and the 2 who i was attracted to was kim reese (the pre-med student) and jaleesa (the one who was married and then returned to school). i never even looked at freddy and whitley. the best relationship i had in my life ? my girlfriend in naija ? she was as dark as the night. but now ? after my sojourn here ? i dont even find my black women attractive anymore. i only date white women now. i only find white women attractive lol. i think i have been conditioned  . well i think it is time for me to go look for me again. the real me before this whole westernized crap. thats why i need to retire to africa.

you pretend as if you actually like nigeria but look at what you think of your country and the people in it, you love it soo much you dont even want to relocate there, instead you prefer to relocate to Gambia, i suppose youd feel more at home amongst the white women who go there for third world sexscapades!!! Im sure you would be more than willing to oblige them.

[quote author=invisible! link=topic=549292.msg7183802#msg7183802 date=1290283371]@ cap28, if not that I just repented few seconds ago, I would have talked to you in a manner you will regret. You dont know anything about Nigeria, you are so far away that you should not be browsing this forum, please try chinaland.com.[/quote]oh wow im shaking in my boots!! slowpoke are you one of those frustrated nigerians who turn to religion when their lives start going downhill?  the other day you were regaling us with fantasy stories about how you bought your first car when you were a foetus now reality has hit you over the head and poverty and frustration has now made you seek succour in Jesus, have you decided to be a friend to jesus because of suffer head

I have already assessed you as an unhinged individual suffering from delusions of grandeur, your entire existence is built on lying to yourself and being envious of people who live abroad, good luck with future high  blood pressure complications.

Most civil servants in this country have built their own houses, either in the village or in town. Here, building houses is the single most important investment we make. With an average income of 50k, you can build slowly till you finish.

these civil servants where do they get this money from - isnt this the same civil service where workers havent been paid for years? 

How can a sane person say adamu cannot save enough money to build a small two bedroom affair in this Nigeria? Even okada riders and barrow pushers build houses these days. This shows the way you bellitle us. And how can adamu not afford to do his floor with any type of wood he chooses, with all the timber growing wild from Sapele to Ogbmosho? Which building materials must he import from outside, cement from Obajana, sand from the bar beach, stone from Abeokuta, wood from behind my house, aluminium from Alo aluminium Onitsha, workmen from every street corner. Nigeria rokks!

People here are doing great, I was at a small boys house this afternoon and was marvelled at his house finishing, this is my boy o. His dupelex cost him like 10 milla to build, and he is just a spare parts retaier in one of the lesser known markets.

When people like cap28 comment on issues, they expose their ignoramus! Just hide your face in shame.

nigeria rocks so much that when you go to the american and british embassies in lagos and abuja you see queues of people stretching as far as the eye can see jostling violently with each other in order to get into europe or america, it rocks so much that people even bed down at these same embassies exposing themselves to the elements all in a bid to realise that chance in a lifetime of leaving the country!!!!!!
it rocks so much that some of these same people brave the hazards of the sahara desert - all in a bid to get to europe and subsequently america - it can't be rocking that much can it?

Save your self delusion for people who don't know any better, like i said earlier self delusion is a coping mechanism used by people who refuse to face up to reality, however continuous reliance on it can result in a gradual slide into a complete detachment from reality - don't say i didnt warn you!!!

Sagamite:
You are retarded!!!

Asking me for an original opinion? 

slowpoke, I asked you: What is white about stating that successful men will be more attractive as mating partners? Is it different in any other part of the world?

Who is the extremely confused fellow, retard? Stretch for the sleeping pill NOW and end your miserable life.

person! You see such a statement and quickly jump to you white imperialist rants and you are not volunteering to be confined in a strait-jacket? Foooooooooool, answer me.

more hysterical drivel from our resident schizophrenic patient

im still waiting for just one original thought from your pea brain, wake me up when you have come up with something

Sagamite:
You are retarded!!!

Inferiority complexed mugu. Be blaming your failures in life on the white man.

What is white about stating that successful men will be more attractive as mating partners? Is it different in any other part of the world? Retard!!!

slowpoke, your brain is up your arse?

the day i feel inferior to you saggy!! is the day i reach for the sleeping pills!!!!

why not stun me with an original opinion for once in your life

by the way i have absolutely nothing to be unhappy about - my life is a zillion times more rounded and fulfilled than your dysfunctional existence, i double dare you to come up with any opinion that is worthy of even the most cursory interest from moi.

YOu see you are an extremely confused fellow, you actually thing you are NL's resident Perez Hilton, whats with the shallow, hollywoodesque observations?  are you auditioning for a role of inhouse house negro on TMZ?

buzugee:
absolute hogwash. you get what you pay for. or in this case, you dont get what you do not pay for. its time for whining azz negros like you to man-up and accept and embrace your situation and environment. be a man for once in your life and embrace your environment with all its flaws and goodness. stop fighting things that you cannot directly change. learn to be at peace with your environment. thats the problem with a lot of you nigerians that are unhappy. your minds are in a constant state of turmoil. you try to attribute it to the environment around you but it is deeper than that. most of you need shrinks. what you have is a critical case of chemical imbalance. nothing to do with your environment. the environment in nigeria is extremely beautiful, its the people in it who are disturbed. let me give you an example of what a real man with no chemical imbalance who is living in nigeria will do. lets call the hypothetical man ' adamu'

adamu is not a very rich man but he can somehow save enough to build say a 2 bedroom bungalow. nothing fancy. extremely small, but adamu is mentally balanced enough to be able to appreciate that he owns a house outright. no mortgage, no taxes, nada. so adamu decors the interior of the house in such a way that it brings him peace (feng shui ) and he loves looking at it. hardwood floors, nice colorful interior, lots of african arts etc.  next is nepa ? adamu knows that nepa is unreliable so he makes sure that he does not revolve his life around nepa. he has lots of beautiful candles and lanterns and incenses that he enjoys. when the light goes out he pulls out his lantern, lights an incense, sit on a nice sofa in his house and enjoys a book. water nko ? he has a well at the back of his house so he is not worried about water. to drink it he only has to boil it. bad roads nko ? adamu is well adjusted enough to know that he has to deal with this issue so he buys a small bicycle or a scooter for when he needs to do errands and stuff.

do you see how adamu is man enough to enjoy his life in nigeria, he welcomes and appreciates all the short comings and has his own alternative to it. this is what well adjusted human beings do. the rest of you locos have internal turmoil that you need to deal with that has nothing to do with your sorroundings. i bet all you complainers will complain anywhere in the world you are. the problem is in you. see a shrink pronto  

Buzugee you are  a victim of hallucinogenic drugs, i dont even think that your prolific use of ganja would do this to your brain, its got to be something stronger and my money is on LSD why would you even talk about "manning" up to anything when the climax!! of your masculinity has been denying your african origin in order to fit into "mainstream" white english society.    What is masculine about describing yourself as an "honorary white man" simply because you can sleep with a white woman in the 21st century without being lynched?

Boy, you need to open your eyes to REALITY and stop with this hallucinogencic induced virtual  reality that you prefer to live in!!!Lets go back to this your false reality in which your "adamu" is able to save enough  money to build a 2 bedroom bungalow - wow!!! how was he able to acheive such a herculean feat in a country that imports practically everything - even petrol!!! (despite being the 8th largest oil exporter) how has ordinary man of the people "adamu" been able to finance the purchase of cement, labour etc on an average salary can you explain that please.

then you go on another hallucinogenic flight of fantasy talking  about hardwood floors -nigga are you for real - who can afford  hardwood floors in nigeria?  try visting a few homes of average nigerians - not retired army generals - ordinary nigerians and lets see what sort of interior design average nigerians can afford.

the lifestyle you've described is one enjoyed by middle class white europeans who dont mind slumming it working for NGO's  in africa for a few years just for the experience - not the average nigerian.

Most of these middle class white europeans who eventually get tired of pretending to help the natives then revert back to their proper jobs in the west as investment bankers, corporate lawyers and top level executives, on the other hand your "adamu" is stuck in an ongoing nightmare of poverty, hunger and economic collapse.

there are some enslaved monkeys (sagamite)who actually think that because they have been allowed to live amongst whites that means that they are equal to them, in reality these monkeys are just serving one purpose - the provison of cheap labour, these neanderthal creatures who need to be closely supervised at every turn  (for fear of causing damage to themselves and unsuspecting members of the public) live in a perpetual state of self delusion in that they actually think their opinions about mainstream (white) society matter, in reality these human debris are just glorified slaves masquerading as human beings.  In a bid to be seen as worldly wise these creatures (sagamite) tend to mimic and imbibe the culture, value systems and in some cases outward characteristics of their white slave masters, unfortunately that famous proverb is a dead give away as to their pedigree  - a dog born in a stable can never be a horse but will remain a dog for life.

Sagamite:
He does not really need to be fine.

He has what a guy needs to pull loads of chics. He is talented, rich, confident (I guess) and good-looking (not hot but he exceeds minimum requirements in looks, which is to have decent looks, when one already has the aforementioned first 2).

Men don't particularly need good looks, that is a woman thing.

Any guy with top-notch talent (be it athleticism, humour, connections, oratory, brains, leader of men presence etc), that is rich and also decent looking would spread legs at will.

Somehow girls say Drogba is hot, now we all know that is one ugly looking murrafucker but he is rich and extremely talented, that is his main appeal. Same goes for Jay Z.

So I don't think Tony Parker has to worry about looks considering what he has at the moment, he is a better-than-average looking NBA star and makes £10m per year. He will be like Austin with Powers in getting Alotta Fagina and utilising his Goldmember.

congratulations for regurgitating all the standards of beauty and success as dictated to you by your white slave masters, isnt it about time a black man like you set the standard rather than follow what your white slave master dictates ??  pathetic slave

what is this doing on a nigerian discussion forum, of what importance is this to the average nigerian in or outside nigeria?

buzugees response: nicca shut your belligerent azz up. let me ask you a personal question ? when you lived in nigeria did you pay your NEPA bills on-time ? did you or your parents pay your property taxes ? did you pay your water bills ? did you pay any road tax ? or where you the typical naija person who dodges paying bills and then calls the electrician to hook you back up after Nepa has cut you off ? am sick and tired of all you fugazy azz niccas who expect to receive the whole world but give nothing back in return. what do you think ? the nigerian govt is running a charity or something ?

buzugee  you are one of the most confused human beings on the face of this planet!!!

so in your muddled mind you think that the nigerian govt does not owe its citizenry anything - we are talking about a govt which has a taxation system which is flawed from the bottom up - yes, there are a issues around tax collection but the real problem is that the FGN does not use tax revenue for the purpose that it is meant for.

you mahfukaz moan all day long about what you are not getting but yet you refuse to pay for anything. the system in britain and america is the way it is because the citizens pay into it diligently. no free meals in this world. you gotta give to receive. now me personally ? if you asked me to choose between a system where i am a master of my own destiny. i am in control of my own bills. no govt intrusion whatsoever in my life. i am totally free. i dont sleep dreaming about all the bills i have to pay. i have my own water supply, my own electricity supply etc etc. such as in nigeria OR a system where i feel like a hamster running on the wheel. being high-jacked for bills left right and centre. being hooked up to a grid that sees me as a number in a matrix of numbers that expects me to cough up all kinds of money or else their is a consequence to pay such as the undermining of your credit score or being hauled into court ? i will choose the naija system. that feeling of freedom is priceless. but see i am mature enough to accept my choice with the negative consequences it comes with. you cant have it both ways. you cant expect to be free and expect the govt to pay for everything for you. something has gotta give. you have to loose your freedom in order to receive all the so-called good things that people abroad supposedly have. now me myself ? ill choose my freedom over being monitored like a rat. i have tasted the other side and it might look pretty on the outside ? but it kills you inside. the nigerian system might look ugly on the outside ? but it keeps you alive inside.

what freedom do you enjoy in nigeria?  freedom to drive on dangerous death traps, freedom to put your life in the hands of armed robbers?  freedom to place your life in the hands of underfunded health care institutions, my best friend's wife died in hospital due to inadequate health care facilities- the guy is now suicidal, maybe you might want to switch places with him.

and this goes to the rest of you fugazy azz niccas up in here (ovie, cap28, ). you are all parasites. look in the mirror sometimes. give me give me give me give me give me. thats all you utter all day. yet your azzes will be the first ones looking for the way out of paying bills. and you blame the govt ? nah mahfukaz look in the mirror. thats where the blame lies. not the govt. you are the reason why you dont have what you think you should have   me myself ? i dont need the govt hitting me up for bills. i can provide my own water and electricity. i love the freedom. do you ?

what is this give me give me  that you are wittering on about? nigeria generates enough income from petroleum revenue which is sufficient to provide BASIC,  not state of the art,  but BASIC health care facilities for its citizens but it has refused to do even that.

how much does Nigeria make annually from oil ? 29 billion dollars. lets for one second pretend that our politicians are not corrupt. how many states are in nigeria ? 36 states. so if we divided the money equally as an annual allocation to each state, each state will recieve less than 1 billion dollars annually from oil. this is not enough  to run a state annually. to pay university lecturers, civil servants, run the state govt, pay the legislative body, maintenance, police, army, vehicle maintenance, etc etc etc etc. so where do you think the rest of the money to provide the things you love to harp about ( roads, light, water. police, good well equipped universities etc ) will come from ?   now you are starting to see the picture right ? the rest has to come from taxing you to the hilt. and if as a nigerian you are not coughing up all these taxes ? then you are the cause of nigerias dilemma. gerrit ? now please feel free to shut up

you do not know what you are talking about, these are all the sources of income of the FGN:

income tax, petroleum profit tax, capital gains tax, personal income tax from  foreigners residing in Nigeria.

custom and excise duties,  VAT,

oil pipeline license fees, rents for mining rights, mining fees, royalties on minerals, NNPC earnings from direct sales, penalties for gas flared, rents of oil well.

THESE ARE REVENUE GENERATED FROM TAXATION ALONE - WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THIS REVENUE ??

America the land of freedom - who wouldnt want to be the beneficiary of america's legendary love for democracy and freedom of speech. who wouldn want to have a chance at realising the american dream? Surely everyone in their right mind, look at what it means to be one of the chosen ones:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6SdmmCN5Y&feature=player_embedded#!

why is this news? NL im about to go and take a dump - how about putting that on the front page as a topic?

who gives a flying mess?

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=549292.msg7179309#msg7179309 date=1290208936]Cap,
When you're able, please reply to my earlier post in the other thread.  (You may have to search my posts.) Merci beaucoup!
-Isale Gangan[/quote]Hey isale how you dey? which post was that post the link for me and ill reply to it.

take care

PStylish:
Are you m or f?

i am male, why?

And I still insist she(Queen) made herself vulnerable. She most likely had options but didn't take them. I mean what propects exists for some one living under a bridge? I do not attack or denigrate her. She made her choice to remain under the bridge and stuck to it.

Of course she had no prospects, however had nigeria provided a safety net for people like her she would be alive today.

Who is the "brutal and callous society"? We all make up the society. The rule in Nigeria is anybody else can be the victim but not me. Don't allow yourself to be a victim of the "callous and brutal system and society"
Thats why we are very spiritual over here. We keep praying. We look up to God for everything- protection, proserity, security, good (divine)health,spouse e.t.c unlike you guys who look up to the government.And trust me God has never failed us. Even it is written in the bible that "woe unto him(Cap28) who puts his trust in man(the government/society)".

in nigeria -its every man to himself, the multi ethnicity of the country does not help, people  allign themselves with members of their own ethnicity good or bad, if nigeria had one uniform culture and language it would be much easier to unite the country, our leaders prey on these differences and incite hatred and violence based on ethnicity, what many of us are yet to understand is that these politicians do this to perpetuate themselves in the corridors of power , many nigerians are being used like pawns on a chess board by nigerian politicians.

our "spirituallity" is not borne out of genuine conviction but borne out of suffering, deprivation and frustration.  the white man who brought this religion to us is the reincarnation of satan, he wages war on the oppressed, he steals land and natural resources belonging to others and he carries out genocide of weaker peoples, and yet he remains on top, surely if god were on the side of the righteous man the white man would be writhing in the deepest pit of hell but no he is the one on top, controlling the world and amassing his ill gotten wealth, why is that?

Government is vulnerable to failure anywhere in the world. The hurricane katrina experience is still very fresh in the minds of the americans(mostly blacks) affected. Your so-called mighty american government failed on that occasion. Wake up and take responsibility for yourself and the govt.

very true, but notice that the then US  president bush was castigated for his abominable handling of the katrina crisis, was he let off the hook for his nonchalant and indifferent attitude towards the plight of the black victims of katrina?  

do you think that a nigerian president would be held accountable for failing to respond on time to natural disaster victims, ever heard of maroko? perhaps you're too young to remember, the then lagos state governor raji rasaki - appropriated land belonging to the local people of maroko and sold it to rich army generals who in turn built multi million naira mansions on the land, the original residents who had owned the land going back 4 generations wre violently forced off the land at gun point, were any of them given any compensation?  instead they were forced into neighboring overcrowded slums - does that sound right to you?

Come to Lagos and see personal social responsibility at its best -  a madman controlling traffic when the lights are off and doing it well with everyone obeying as if he were a govt official or a lame person with crutches controlling traffic and getting tips from motorists.

what you have described is a person forced to survive in a ruthless environment that cares not one jot for his well being - should a mad man be directing traffic?  should a cripple be controlling traffic? what sort of society thinks that its acceptable for disabled people to direct traffic?

This poverty thing is more of a core Northern Nigeria problem. And I think their religion limits their thinking ability and compels them to remain that way. Also, their leaders prefer them illiterate so that they can continue to play God in their lives by giving them food and small tips from time to time and control them like animals. The state govts of Northern Nigeria apart from offering their youths 100% scholarship to study also offer to pay them salaries should they take the scholarship. Still many of them won't budge. Hence their higher institutions are mostly populated by southerners. This is not so with the south.

Keep making excuses, after a while you will start beleiving your own lies.  are there no poor people livign in southern nigerian towns, is ajegunle an affluent area, how about mushin, agege and mile 2 - how plush and exclusive are those areas?

the poverty in the north is equally prevalent in the south, however southerners tend to be more industrious and are always trying to supplement their living standards in one way or the other, but the bottom line is northerners and southerners are equally victims of a corrupt and evil system which exploits ALL nigerians.

As regards 1% appropriating 95% of the wealth, I would say things are no longer as bad. Anti corruption agencies like EFCC, ICPC are doing a good job. A recent report in our dailies credits EFCC to have recovered 2 trillion naira since its creation. People are very careful nowadays. Have you heard of Ibori?

Well thats you refusing to face up to reality, the EFCC is not a legitimate anti corruption organisation - it is merely an organisation which was used by Obasanjo when he was in power to hunt down, root out and put out of circulation his political enemies, you can't tell me that an organisation that picks and chooses who it prosecutes is a legitimate organisation.
if it were doing such a good job i think Goodluck and his wife would both be in police custody for appropriating $35m and N101 million naira respectively from the Bayelsa state treasury.

Any youth that has been condemned to illiteracy, poverty, crime and prostitution must have permitted the system to
do it to him/her.

no, thats simply not true - many people do not have the patience and perserverance that you have, frustration can push people over the edge into crime, even here in the west crime is rife and this is despite the fact that no-one in the west is starving.  

The Nigerian govt is not repressive. We have human rights activists here and there and they take on the govt uncautiously from time to time.
Also, you do not gain anything by fighting the the system. You only become hypertensive. You can only make your impact felt.

You have human rights activists who censor what they publish and talk about, if they step over the line they end up six feet under - remember Dele Giwa, Gani Fawehinmi, Fela Anikulapo Kuti?
ARe you aware that most nigerian newspapers are now owned or funded by the same politicians who are destroying nigeria, everything you read in the nigerian newspapers is completely white washed and censored.

The govt at the moment may not be able to provide for the vulnerable of its citizenry thats why we have NGOs (Non Govermental Organizations) scattered everywhere and they are doing well. Nigeria in my own opinion is poor. Almost 1 trillion naira goes to fuel subsidy yearly. So what's left with that huge chunk gone.Nobody subsidizes fuel in the US/UK.

It is not the responsibility of NGO's to provide social services to the nigerian population, many of these NGO's do not have a positive agenda towards africa, many are funded by western intelligence organisations and seek to gather information which is used to undermine our economy and destroy our well being.  

You were the one who asked why I left my village for Lagos.
Mind you, Lagos Island has changed thanks to the current and immediate past governors of Lagos. Things are far better than they were 4 years back and in every area.
Moreover, I was born in Island maternity, Lagos Island, we didn't live there.

As regards my dear Ikare, are pottery and carving the only things you could get from wikipedia/google about the city? I am disappointed. What about the cocoa production, its commercial and metropolitan status e.t.c
I will return to Ikare. But I won't be going back to Ikare as an ordinary indigene. I have lofty plans for her which God will help me realize. These same white people you have run to for "better life" will be on my payroll working my companies and organizations. They will run to Ikare for the good life in Jesus' Name.
By the way, where do you come from in Nigeria? Come on be proud of your village.

I am proud of my origin but im not a tribalist, where i come from is immaterial.

Nigeria may not care about me. I don't mind, I'm indifferent. But I do care about her and love her and will do my best to help her. I have good plans for her just like many patriots like myself allover the country. An ex-classmate of mine told me how he has volunteered to take a particular set of students in a secondary school in his neighbourhood maths lessons at some specified periods of the week free of charge. Its his own way of contributing to the society. I was highly impressed and motivated to come up with something similar.

Nigeria should care about you because you and your peers are the future, if nigeria can not bequeath a nation with prospects to its younger generation then the nation has no future.

Have you heard of NYSC (National Youth Service Corps)? Google it and see how fresh Nigerian graduates(over 80%) are serving their fatherland wholeheartedly and single handedly carrying out community development projects in the rural areas. Some construct bridges e.t.c.They raise funds themselves.You need to know how highly esteemed they are in these rural areas. They are treated like gods, saviours and held in far higher esteem than your whites. I was  one of them(we were called corpers) until July last year.
So you and your abroad guys should keep waiting for government to come and spoonfeed you. Spoilt brats.

Im very familiar with NYSC as i served in ibadan shortly before i left nigeria, to be honest those were some of the best years of my life, this is how i know that we have the potential to be a great nation, however we need leaders with vision and who are prepared to make sacrifices to make our nation a big player on the international scene.

Nigeria's economy is second only to south africa's and I expect you to discern why. The problem is we are supposed to be bigger and far better than what we are now. We have all the potentials but then a very great and highly successful Nigeria remains a threat to the western world just like  China is to the US now. They make sure dunces rule us from time to time.So the west has tried to ensure things remain as they are in nigeria because of the key role we play in africa. They prefer us sleeping so that we will remain their dumping ground. Am sure you guys abroad have never figured out that the no1 problem of africa and nigeria is the US,UK and France e.t.c. They engineered the devaluation of our naira through their stooge babangida and now they want him back again. The same babangida was used to ensure mko abiola was not sworn in as nigeria's president despite the winning the freest and fairest election in the nation's history. MKO had beforehand threatened them saying if he became president they would have to pay reparation for all the crimes committed against the black race. So they stopped him. They hand hands in most of the coups that took place in the 70s an 80s.
We home boys know our country and we all know and understand these things. Unfortunately you guys abroad just open your mouth and pour out nonsense about your country. A country you know next to nothing about.

I agree with everythign youve said up there (apart from what you said at the end  ), if nigeria were to get its act together it woudl be a major threat to the west, i personally beleive that this is why biafra was crushed, in my opinion the igbos  are the most intelligent africans and a viable igbo run country with oil reserves would have been a major thorn in the side of any western govt.  Yes the west  definitely does not want a politically and economic independent african country to rise up - that will spell doom for their ongoing policy of neo colonialism.  Yes again i have to agree with you western intelligence agencies such as the CIA and MI5 have worked overtime to destroy any chance of a visionary charismatic african leader coming forward to lead, instead what we have been plagued with are CIA and MI5 sponsored puppets like IBB and Obasanjo, even Buhari was a better option compared to those two but of course he was toppled in a western sponsored coup d'etat.     But guess what? it looks like they are winning because none other than IBB is back again to finish implementing the remaining IMF policies that caused the nigerian economy to go under in the first place.  Why has he been allowed to even get away with destroying the economy in the 80's and 90's only to be allowed back  now to finish off from where he started??

When Nigeria sneezes, africa shakes.

On what basis? what say do we have in terms of our right to self determination? do we control our own economy? who sets our oil prices?

Who even said govt doesn't care at all? I remember some weeks back Lagos, Ogun and a norhtern state got 400million naira each from the FG as a result of the flooding that happened in their states that resulted in the displacement of hundreds Those displaced have been relocated and have been rehabilitation camps since then and taking are being taken care of. They will all get some form of compensation.

Hmm i'll beleive it when i see it, but with nigeria's track record with the poor and vulnerable i will not be holding my breath.

Also, in 2002, when the armoury exploded thousands were rehabilitated by the govt.

sorry but thats not what i heard.

Same also happened when Nigeria ceded the Bakassi peninsula to cameroon. Thousands of Nigerians[b] chose  [/b] t follow Nigeria rather than become cameroonians. They were all resettled.


again that's not what i heard, in fact i heard that many of those people ended up as destitutes.

So FYI, the govt has not been totally useless.

Q: What has the nigerian govt done for you?
A: It has forced me to put on my thinking cap

How?

I used to work for an Indian company as a technician until  I resigned on the 31st of August. The pay was terrible for a graduate.  I resigned via yahoo mail at 11:40pm using my mobile phone. Among other personal reasons I stated the following reasons for resigning:
1. Lack of interest in company's line of business as a "technician"
2. No motivation
3. Low pay
I had thought I would get a better job before resigning  but it was not forthcoming so I quit.
I gave no form of notice.I took them unawares as salaries had just been paid earlier that day.
I resigned to my business. I had been planning and preparing for some months while I was working. To date I have gotten 4 clients. In order to enhance my business I decided to study HTML so that I could build my company's website. Now I can build a simple website. In fact, I've built my company's website and I launched it yesterday without paying a dime for both the hosting and the domain to the glory of God. I have also configured  webmails for the company, myself and my staff.I doubt of you ever knew this was possible. These are things I've never done before and nobody put me through.  just thank God.

Its a humble beginning for me. And I know where I am going. I will get there in Jesus' Name.

With all pleasure,  I enjoin you to visit www.gtelecoms.x10.mx

And there are so many youths doing one great thing or the over all over the place.
Trust me Cap28, nobody is waiting for the government.

well, good for you, you sound hard working and intelligent but i can  assure you that you need more than that to survive in this life, and this is where your govt comes in, it is their responsibility to assist people like you who obviously have the intelligence and the right mindset to make something of themselves, there is only so much that you can do as an individual.

tensor777:
Honestly I have marked you out as a conspiracy theorist so in that wise its pointless joining issues with the likes of you.
I don't even understand the point of your arguments. You heap vitriolic abuse on government officials and yet you somehow expect the same government to be responsible for transforming Nigeria into the socialist utopia you dream of . How exactly does that work out?

You are an intellectual phillistine, you do not even understand basic political issues or arguments!!! You can mark me out as anything you want to, your lazy brain can not be bothered to analyse both sides of an argument in an objective way, instead you let personal sentiment cloud your mind.  I heap vitriolic abuse on the nigerian govt - is it unjustified?  Do you think its normal for generation after generation of young nigerians to be condemned to a grim future without hope because an entire country has been hijacked by a group of gangsters? Would you want to live here in london if there was no constant electricity, running water, functioning services, jobs, cheap food, affordable housing, would you live here if it were like that?  

Come clean for once and stop being a hypocrite, you sit in your ivory tower pretending to dole out words of wisdom when in reality you are just living in blissful ignorance.  
Let me let you in on a little secret this "socialist utopia" that you dismiss is the reason the likes of you and i can live in this country, go and research the various left wing organisations and unions that made it possible for the likes of you and i to live in this country. the unions, the womens movement - these people fought the elite of british society in order to make it possible for the ordinary working man and woman in this country to live like a human being.  Do  you know that during the victorian era - only the rich in this country could eat three meals a day, in those days child labour was legal and women had no rights - the socialist utopia that you so disdainfully dismiss was fought for by the working poor of this country.  Had they adopted your pathetic pseudo patriotic stance you and i would be living like destitutes on the streets of england so put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

Of course i dont expect these vagabonds in power to change nigeria, what i expect and desire is for them to be removed from power by a grassroots movement (similar to the ANC movement) which will make way for a govt of the people and for the people, is that too much to ask for?

tensor777:
And what exactly did you say that was new or original. That the Nigerian government or system owes you anything? Just die these self-indulgent left wing arguments as they are not relevant to a  developing country like Nigeria.
But seriously must you twist every thread you participate in into a conspiracy -they are all out to get us - rant??
Is that not a symptom of incipient paranoia??

I think you have desperately been vying for my attention since this thread started, but if you notice i have been studiously ignoring you and your boring pseudo intellectual comments.  

Do i have to re educate you as well?  If the nigerian government does not owe its citizenry anything why dont you give up your comfortable lifestyle and move back to the disaster zone known as nigeria and lets see how long you'll keep up this your pretend patriotism.

Your complacency and blissful ignorance is tragic, you show no intellectual curiosity in any sense, tell me what is paranoid about what i have just written, perhaps you are the only living nigerian who does not understand the political and economic turmoil plaguing nigeria.

NubianQ:
I am very impressed!!!! finally someone has spoken alot of sense on here!

thank you Nubian Q, glad  you appreciated what i had to say

martinosi:
I doing good CAP28, i just been reading the Comments at the Economist
on Articles about Nigerian electricity,

What are your thoughts about the up coming election in Nigerian next year,
we need to start a discussion topic about this,

I heard that[b] Tony Blair and the CEO of J P Morgan[/b] were in Nigeria to see President Goodluck, hmmm kind of worrying to me .

Any thoughts on this?

Also Cap have you heard of[b] F William Engdahl[/b], he seems to be very insightful and he has a book out called the "Gods of Money" i just finished
reading it, google him and also check him up on youtube.he has some great
insight about Nigeria too.

His website is www.oilgeopolitics.net

Here's an Interview he had very interesting,

F William Engdahl on Finance & Global Economy

Part 1

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z2rUvbUOR8[/flash]

Part 2

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7h6-rP7nw0[/flash]

Part 3

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXhRQgAmu8Y[/flash]

Hey Martinosi how you dey? i will watch those links you posted.

I do not have any interest in the upcoming elections in nigeria because the same bandits who destroyed nigeria are still vying for leadership in nigeria, until there is a root and branch clear out of the nigerian political system there is no hope.  GEJ, IBB even Buhari they are all different sides of the same coin.  

JP Morgan are part of the corporate banking plutocracy that run america and the international banking system, nigeria is a client state of the anglo american alliance ie britain and america and therefore i am not that suprised that they are in nigeria,probably to endorse GEJ, although i really think IBB will win it because he has already been endorsed by the US state dept.  It could be that GEJ is the safer option because of the widespread oppositon to IBB, and the fear of riots and chaos that will inevitably follow an IBB win.  

thanks for posting the links ill have a listen, i just googled william engdahl he sounds like an interesting guy, i shall listen to your link and get back to you. thanks

PStylish:
Cap28, I think you have to put on your thinking cap at this moment. Are you m or f?

First, I was born in Lagos Island.
Second, I don't come from a village. My town is a  renowned ancient town/city in Ondo state. It is called Ikare - Akoko. Google it for more info.
Everybody is free to migrate from rural areas to urban areas. But where, your migration leaves you worse off than you were in your village, I think any right thinking person should come to his senses, do a personal appraisal of life in the urban area and make a swift decision to return home.
Cap28 your problem as well as that of other Nigerians abroad is that you guys refuse to take personal responsibilty for your own existence. You will rather leave it the govt. Is that not shameful? That is why you can't come back home. You know there will be no govt to spoonfeed you.
Nigerians have learnt to be a government to themselves and its ok for now. We kind of prefer it.
Nigeria is still a pretty young country - 50yrs. The UK is ageless, the US is over 230 years old. How can you compare them for chrissake?
The US, UK and other industrialized nations have had their own time of terrible hardships and trying times, worse than whatever we are currently facing as Nigerians, yet the citizenry then endured it they didn't flee like you guys. Today they are what they are.
Afterall, [b]Abraham Lincoln said do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. [/b]That is the stage we are now in Nigeria. So stop being childish and brace up to what it takes to be a Nigerian which is what God created you to be.

You see the problem i have with people like you is that you have a warped sense of reasoning, i presented a situation of a vulnerable person in a country like nigeria and your response was to attack and denigrate this person.  It did not occur to you that this person was a mere victim of a brutal and callous society.  You did not attack the system that creates such suffering, instead you chose to attack the victim.

This is a system  in which 1% of the  population have appropriated 95% of the wealth of the country leaving over 70% to languish in grim poverty.  

You did not  think of attacking a system that condemns its youth to illiteracy, poverty, crime and prostitution instead you chose to attack and BLAME a defenceless victim of one of the harshest and most repressive systems of govt on the planet.  This is why i say people like you deserve the govt you have.  Until you educate yourself and understand that your leaders are under an obligation to provide for its citizenry, particularly the most vulnerable members of that society, you will continue wallowing in a sea of ignorance.

Do i care whether you were born on lagos island? have i not been to lagos island isnt it an overcrowded slum teeming with refuse and garbage.  As  a matter of fact the villages are a hundred times cleaner and more sanitary than your lagos island so please dont think that lagos island is a place to be proud of okay.

You say you dont come from a village - fine, why havent you relocated back to Ikare akoko to make a living from making carvings and pottery?

You say that i have refused to take responsibility for my actions but prefer to shift responsiblity on to the govt, you see this is where again i have to highlight your ignorance - your govt has a duty and a responsibility to provide for its citizens, you have been conditioned to accept your grim poverty stricken state, the mobile police, JTF and all other arms of the nigerian gangster state have beaten you into submission and now like a victim of an abusive relationship you actually think they do not owe you anything.  Does it make sense to you that a country like nigeria which is the 8th largest exporter of oil IN THE WORLD can not provide constant electricity, running water, a functioning health care system, standard educational institutions, employment, food for its citizens!!!!!!!!!!

Cuba is a socialist country with no natural resources and it has a98% literacy level due to its ongoing policy of free education for all of its citizens up to university level, it also provides  free health care for all of its citizens.  

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending the gangster run contraption known as nigeria, you havent even got the guts to hold your leaders to account - instead you take out your frustration on a defenceless destitute woman who was nothing but a victim.  

Nigeria is a govt serving the interest of a bunch of bandits and that is the truth, it doesnt care about people like you, it never has and it never will okay.  

You say nigeria is still pretty young - according to whose calculations ? is 50 years not more than enough time for a country to get its economy on track, when do you think nigeria will be old enough to understand that it needs to get its act together, when the oil runs out or when it is recolonised by the west - by the way the plan of recolonisation of nigeria is now underway - you might want to google africom.

Oh and it was Kennedy who made that quote and not Lincoln and he had every right to ask that of americans as previous govts before him had made many compromises and granted many concessions to the american people - post second world war former american president roosevelt had introduced affordable housing, employment and overall  improved standards of living for its citizens.  Contrast that with the nigerian govts treatment of its own citizens and you will see that you are just refusing to face up to reality.

what is it that the nigerian govt has  done for you - is it SAP, devalued currency, mass unemployment, substandard educational instititutions, non existent health care facilities, sub standard housing provision, mobile police who maim and kill people - please tell me because im scratching around and nothing positive comes to mind.

PStylish:
Queen, the lady in question didn't have to live in Lagos. Is it by force to stay in Lagos? Could she say didn't have a family in Agbor, Delta state where she hailed from. Why did she prefer the abuse she was taking under the bridge in Lagos to her hometown.I've passed Agbor a couple of times and from what I saw its no small village or town. There is no way she won't have relations albeit successful ones back home in Agbor.
I believe Queen could have saved herself the trouble and harassment but just chose endure or enjoy it. A single experience of despoil is no small psychological trauma for any woman. She may hate men for life. For her (Queen) to have been repeatedly despoil same place, same period of time and even had children raises a lot of questions. Maybe she had some spiritual or psychological problem. Poor her. Anyway may her soul rest in peace.

Are you deliberately playing dumb or is that you just love embarrassing yourself, of course its not by force for everyone to live in lagos but the mark of a civilised society is one in which the weak are supported and provided for not brutalised and attacked.  I could use the same argument to ask why you left your own village to go live in an urban area, people migrate from villages to urban areas for work, did you not know that? why arent you in the village cultivating your farm? Isnt it because you wont be able to survive if you did that?

Only the most damaged mind would conclude that her decision to remain under the bridge was because she chose to "endure or enjoy it".

By the way just in case you were never taught human biology, women get pregnant and have babies even after being r.aped,  a destitute woman under a bridge could hardly be in a position to pay for an abortion.

People like you deserve the govt you have, may you continue to enjoy many more years of repression from those bandits in power.

buzugee:
you aint miss nothing. that vato is full of kaka

says the self hating uncle tom who comes out with garbage like this:

Quote from: buzugee on November 12, 2010, 08:55 PM
i will look into the gambia. bros i am the only black man in my job and in my neighborhood. the thing is changing me. i am a totally different person from when i was in naija. i am now a honorary white man. when i was in naija i loved dark skinned women. i remember watching different world and the 2 who i was attracted to was kim reese (the pre-med student) and jaleesa (the one who was married and then returned to school). i never even looked at freddy and whitley. the best relationship i had in my life ? my girlfriend in naija ? she was as dark as the night. but now ? after my sojourn here ? i dont even find my black women attractive anymore. i only date white women now. i only find white women attractive lol. i think i have been conditioned  . well i think it is time for me to go look for me again. the real me before this whole westernized crap. thats why i need to retire to africa.

Buzugee are you really in a position to call anyone names when you wear your self loathing on your lapel like a badge of honour??

so you think that because white men let you sleep with the women they dont want (usually overweight and illiterate) THAT MAKES YOU AN HONORARY WHITE MAN !!!! How daft can you be, listen up my friend you are enjoying their left overs okay.

As for the job where you are the only black man - let me take a guess is it a mc donalds branch in berkshire?? Your the only black man in the job because you are the only black man living in that town fool!!!!

like i said invisible suffers from delusions of grandeur its a coping mechanism, in nigeria everyone wants to be a big man, its the trickle down effect of the kleptocrat gangsters who run the country.  When the masses see how ruthless and callous their leaders are instead of challenging them by organised rebellion (like the ANC of south africa did) they imbibe this same behaviour and mete out this barbarism on each other.  

Earlier on in this thread i  referred to a tragic story in which a young destitute woman who lived under a bridge near sheraton hotel had been repeatedly r.aped by area boys until she eventually contracted hiv aids and died  - what was his chilling response: that "she got what she deserved because she was a harlot".

That should give you an insight into the ruthless and callous mindset of the average nigerian - is this a society that can progress? i think not - what is needed is a mao tse tsung type revolution, mass imprisonments and  mass executions of corrupt politicans, traitors and enemies of the state it is only when this will happen that we may just have a chance at surviving as a nation.
If this does not happen before long nigeria will tip over into total anarchy.

[quote author=invisible! link=topic=549292.msg7168143#msg7168143 date=1290089214]I dont even know how to educate you, you seem too 'far gone' for redemption. Lets keep the conversations general as getting personal will mean judging a person you have never met.
The only thing that gladdens my heart about you is that in your last sentence, you still chose to come back and belong in naija, proving that you regret all your misadventure over there. Welcome back home my prodigal brother. You just proved my arguments were right afterall.[/quote]I wouldnt call finishing a second degree a "misadventure" neither would i call gaining work experience, travelling around the world to understand about different cultures and languages a "misadventure", what i would call a misadventure would be spending years abroad and learning nothing from one's experiences.  Life is a continuous learning experience, sadly for many of our people who leave nigeria to go to the west their focus is mainly on materialism.  Perhaps im fortunate in that i did not have to keep looking over my shoulder worrying about the immigration authorities, in many ways many of our people are operating in survival mode and therefore i don't really blame them.

But thanks for your "heartfelt " words in your penultimate sentence, look forward to seeing you when i get there .

honeric01:
She made alot of noise because she's not your sister/mother or daughter that was beaten right?

Just pray none happens to the listed people close to you, then we are going to hear/read or see your reaction.

I don't get it how does behaving like a deranged animal enhance your chances of getting anywhere with the nigerian police?

martinosi:
Nice to see you back Cap28, missed your insight,

thanks bro, how are you doing?