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andrewza: AFRICOM is not down south here. May be it because those above are lead by spineless sell outs.

no its because south africa's natural resources are already owned by european and american multinational corporations and banking interests.
Take for example Anglo America plc - the world's largest producers of platinum - its a british owned multinational.

andrewza: Have you ever compaired the dutch and afrikanse culture. Because if you have you would see they nothing alike.

And nigerians all ways like to cliam it was not the blacks in sa who built it but the whites. [b]Any case the black amricans where given a chance to return to africa. It called liberia and they ruined it. [/b]Any way find one eurpean country that sees white south afrikanse has there people


SA was surving the boycots for a long befre 19990.

Actualy it was to stope the spread of comunasiam. The other threat.

Pehapse you should not talk about what you do not under stand. I mean I am more african than you.

the ex slaves that were sent to liberia by the US govt were sent there as puppets and agents of the US govt - they were not sent there to develop liberia. these ex slaves segregated themselves from the indigenous liberians and acted as if they were superior to them, thereby re-enacting the very same attitudes of their slave masters. They collaborated with their former slave masters to rape and pillage the liberians of their natural resources - have you heard of the american rubber company Firestone? well the US govt used those american freed slaves as pawns to assist them in looting the liberian economy of their rubber, those freed slave colluded with their former slave masters who used indigenous liberians as slave labourers on the rubber plantations - in exchange for helping their former slave masters they were allowed to run the country for almost 200 years until the indigenous liberians violently overthrew them - so please get your facts right.

tim107: aids was created to wipe out the black population

absolutely! and guess what? the europeans and americans don't think its working fast enough!

have you heard of NSSM 200?

This was a document drafted in the early 1970s by Henry Kissinger former National security adviser to Richard Nixon - he came up with the idea of how to control populations in countries designated as national security threats to the united states, in this document he states that certain third world countries due to their large populations and abundant natural resources could pose a possible economic threat to the united states as they could one day emerge as competititors to the economic dominance of the united states, nigeria was listed as one of the countries that could pose such a threat, he suggested that the best way to curtail the growth and economic development of such countries was to undermine them economically by way of debt enslavement (IMF, world bank loans) use of biological weapons (HIV aids) or the use of war (funding of rebel groups and supplying of arms to both sides) and famine (witholding of food aid to war torn areas such as somalia in order to cause mass casualties as a result of starvation).

Fast forward to 2013 - why is the united states deploying troops all over the african continent under the guise of fighting islamic militants (US AFRICOM)

andrewza: Yes but you not a south african.

What. Our cultur both afrikans and english is diffrent to any european culture. I mean why should we get rid of our langue and heriage when it all ready african.

But a black persone born in amrica is? That is doubil standard. We have been jere for 100s of years.

Deklerk gave up power after asking the people if they wanted to end aparthied. There was major threat of a uprising in the 1990s

SA's nukes where fully south african. And where built in mid to late 1970s. The resoane. We where technicaly at war with the USSR and warsaw pact and we where at war with cuba and angola. The nukes where incase things went bad.

No offence mate but you are not an african - your culture is not an african culture, i don't care whether it is different from european culture, afrikaans has its roots in dutch which is not an african language.

a black person whose ancestors were kidnapped and enslaved in north america is not there of his own volition and therefore has a right to call himself an american - especially given the fact that his/her ancestors built north america. if you people had any respect for black africans (which you don't) why did yoiu introduce a law that stipulated that black south africans could not go beyond a primary school education, remember Verwoerd said that there was no point in educating blacks beyond that point as they would not be able to use the education for anything as their designated place in south african society was that of a servant ie to serve whites forever - do you rememember that quote?

De Klerk gave up power because the economy of south africa was being threatened by the violence and mass boycotts spearheaded by the ANC - he did not give up power voluntarily.

You were at war with Cuba who sent troops to angola to dislodge your fellow racists who were doing everything possible to keep in place a similar aparthied system in angola - you also knew that a nuclear weapon would give you the upper hand against any other black african countries who might want to fight on the side of the ANC to dislodge white minority rule from south africa

HIV aids, endless wars funded by the United States and EU, debt enslavement are what the United States and the EU have imposed on africa and its people for the past 30 years, is there any way out from this endless nightmare?

tim107: imf and world bank are owned by rothchild look at zimbabwe

I know, the european and american politicians have all been bought and paid for by multinational corporations and the banking elite, this is why any country that tries to operate outside their control gets smashed to pieces - this is what happened to Libya - infact Qadaffi's sons were friendly with Nat Rothschild but even that could not save them from invasion, the libyan central bank was the only african central bank operating outside the rothschild controlled banking cartels.

more excuses for US africom to deploy their troops on to nigerian soil.

tim107: point taken, case study zimbabwe mugabe tried look what they did to zimbabwe

Don't forget Muammar Qaddfi's untimely death at the hands of the NATO gangsters.

ba7man: Knowledge is spreading fast amongst the black populace of Africa so i'll have to disagree with your point. Those that choose to wallow in ignorance and those that look up to a higher system (Eg Their Government, White Corporations) to provide for them will remain pawns and are likely to remain supressed. By focusing on the people and providing solutions to their problems will help an individual rise and he will in turn pull people along with him.

i beg to differ - take a look at our tv stations in nigeria - what kind of information do they transmit to the masses? all nigerians are being taught is how to be immitation europeans and americans, teh average young nigerian idolises anything from europe or america and knows nothing about how those places have historically abused and exploited african people.


The best way to control a people is to do so psycholoigically - once you control a man's mind you don't have to do anything else to him as he becomes your slave.

How many nigerians know anything about europe and america's agenda of population control towards africa?

how many nigerians know anything about the economic enslavement of african countries by way of the US controlled world bank, how about the european controlled IMF that has systematically destroyed the economies of so many african countries.

sometimes when i read some of the topics on the front page of NL i want to weep.

panafrican: There is no "might stay " there is rather "WILL STAY "
It is a plan meant to hit several birds with one stone.
1.Get credit in the media for this operation at the expense of african forces which are doing the real job on ground ,
2.Get money from the U.N and other big donors to fund the "war against islamists in Mali " and
3.divert at least 75% of this money to some domestic purposes in France's to solve France financial problems. It is a racket.

Not only that, the French are trying to secure their behinds by putting a puppet in power in Mali. The Goal is to later relocate their military base there just in case Ouattara loses power In Cote d'Ivoire where the majority of Ivorians do not want to see any foreign military presence especially the French 43th BIMA. This resentment reached its climax after France took side in the Ivorian conflit on behalf of Allassane Ouattara since 2002.

one thing should be clarified here - this is a US Africom project aimed at STEALING Africa's natural resources under the pretext of fighting a non existent war against islamists - france are part of the africom project and so is Britain, the african troops have been sent in to Mali to clear the Tuaregs off land which is rich in gold and uranium.

tim107: The black people are not part new world order(illumunati)

true, we are just white people's pawns.

kgr28: i asked which companies in sa are owned by europeans?? Dont tell me history i knw! Arent afrikaaners south africans, born and bread in sa, hence afrikaaners mean white africans?? Them sa white afrikaaners built SA before 1994 at the expense of blacks!! Wich eauropean built sa ??and owns sa now??

anglo american plc - british

BASF - german

british american tobacco - british and americans

Estee Lauder - jewish americans of european origin

Old Mutual - european

Volkswagen - german

Ernst and Young - british and american

and many others

This is why Mandela is loved worldwide by white people - do you think they would hold him in such high esteem if he had insisted that their white brothers and sisters in south africa had to part with their stolen wealth?
you only have to look at what they think of Mugabe to know how they would have reacted.

Even Winnie Mandela (who i have a lot of respect for) had this to say about her former husband:

"This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all must realize that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were many others, hundreds who languished in prison and died. Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, horribly all alone. Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out," she said to Naipaul.

'Mandela let us down'

Mandela pointed to the agreement between the Apartheid government and the ANC that, she says, continues to keep the economy in the hands of white people.

"Mandela let us down. He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside. The economy is very much 'white'. It has a few token blacks, but so many who gave their life in the struggle have died unrewarded."

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/carriers-torch/47759-madiba-betrayed-us-winnie-mandela.html

londoner: I did not say that White Saffers decided to share with Blacks......Blacks decided to share the country with them......Mandela, when he was released and became president , chose not to chase them out but to build a future with them.........there is nothing you can do about it.

I was born in a European country.....I am not European in the racial sense, but I am British by birth and Nigerian by heritage/blood.

Earlier, you were talking to me about SA's being negative towards others reeping when they did not struggle. Youbacceot that Whites helped to build the country up, for their own means........so if they also used their effort to build up SA, are you now saying they should not be considered South African?

They may not be ethnically African but their nationality is South African.

They did not simply repatriate all monies back to Europe, like the Brits did with 9ja..............they invested it there just like you said earlier.

Its like saying that a Jamaican is not Caribbean....or a black American is not American.

People can belong to a country over time.....especially in this modern time.

Well i think you need to read up on what really happened prior to Mandela's release - the long and short of it was that Mandela cut a deal with the whites and the deal ended up leaving the wealth of the country in the hands of the whites while the blacks were allowed symbolic freedom - this freedom did not include nationalisation of the mines or land redistribution. It also didnt address some really pressing problems like the huge disparity in education, housing and access to jobs between white and black south africans and if it did it was only superficial - thats why these problems are still there and thats why the majority of black south africans are still in the same position that they were in before aparthied was (superficially) dismantled.

I dont think the whites should be allowed to hold on to all of their wealth as it is stolen wealth gained at the expense of the indigenous people - i support nationalisation of all of south africa's mining companies and the redistribution of land so that the indigenous people are compensated for the years of exploitation and abuse that they suffered at the hands of the whites (descendants of the british and dutch settlers) - if the whites were serious about running a so called rainbow culture that is what they would have done - but they are merely paying lip service to the principles of justice and equalit because they dont want to give up their ill gotten wealth.

blacks in the carribean and the united states were kidnapped from africa by europeans and forced to work as slaves in those lands till they dropped dead - white south africans voluntarily settled in south africa, waged war on the indigenous people, stole their land and then imposed a racist socio econonmic system on the indigenous people - there is no comparison between the two.

londoner: ^^^^Did u have a look at the local content bill at all? Also the oil bills that Deziani is trying to get passed?

Nigerians are already trying to make it a fairer arrangement where we are not just being hoodwinked over our own resources.

Nigeria is not trying to be xenophobic, which I would not support either, I don't like that way of relating to the other nations with which we share this world. This is a global world.....its just that we have to come to the table as partners, rather than door mats that's all.

Don't be offended, but can i ask if you are a diasporian Nigerian by birth?

Why would any right thinking nigerian trust anything that comes out of the mouth of Deizani? It has already been verified that this woman is a thief and a liar - she is part of the cabal that are running nigeria into the ground and yet this is the woman you have faith in?

I will say it again - Nigeria does not actually own or control its own resources therefore i think you are missing the point when you talk about a fairer arrangement - what you have in nigeria is a country run by nigerian turn coats who have collaborated with our enemies.

I was born in the UK but i have lived in nigeria and therefore do have an understanding of how things work back home.

londoner: Yes, that is the history.....but on 17/02/2013.......are the above measures still in effect?

No one is saying there is no discrimination based on race today......but they are SOUTH AFRICANS....no matter how distasteful you may find it that a person with white skin has citizenship of an African country.

They see themselves as South Africans and so do black South Africans.

They have decided to share the country with them........the rest of us can not say they are not, when they are accepted as such.

the legacy of those measures are responsible for the inequality that exists in south africa today.

years of aparthied has created generations of black south africans with limited education and a lot of bitterness - if i were a black south african i would feel bitter too when looking back at how my parents and grand parents were disenfranchised in their own country.

white south africans still see themselves as europeans this is why they speak afrikaans and english - if they saw themselves as africans they would do away with their own language and culture.

they are not africans just as a black person born in europe is not a european

also whites did not decide to share the country with blacks - they were forced to do so as a result of sustained challenges from the ANC and the fear of an impending race war in which they would have sustained loss of valuable property and lives.

Did you know prior to the end of white minority rule the israeli's were helping them to build a nuclear weapon? why do you think they were doing that?

tim107: the question is who controls america? The jews . Who owns the banking systems of the world? The rothchild's are jewish , who owns the world media? The jews, who created hollywood? The jews , who created Google, yahoo ,facebook .ect ?The Jews, who controls south african diamonds ,the jew, who controls oil? Its war on religion . Every islammic country is at war today sponsored by jews. To protect their jewish state israel. If boko haram continues the attack in nigeria, the usa is going to nigeria next

i agree

londoner: You need to look at the local content bills that have been passed recently, also bills for the oil industry the gov is fighting the oil comps to get passed. which makes it more of a fair arrangement. It may be that you are not too knowledgeable about them.

Look, at the end of the day.....a White South African is South African.....they do not have roots back in Europe that they repatriate the funds to......they are south africans...period.

You cant have your cake and eat it too...........you cant say that Saffers can have businesses worldwide,but nobody can have businesses in SA....the world has moved past that....lol

We are very familiar with the way nigeria does business and fairness is never part of the equation - you only need to read about how shell bp operates in nigeria from some of the wikileaks information and you will understand. To say that the nigerian govt is fighting the oil companies is one of the biggest jokes of all time do you mean shell bp that owns and runs nigeria and owns all of nigeria's corrupt politicians ?

white south africans are not africans they are europeans with very strong roots in europe - do you know that a white south african originally from the UK is entitled to claim british citizenship if he has a grandparent that was born in england - also why is it that white south africans made afrikaans and english official languages of south africa when none of those languages are african languages, they impose their own language on you in your own country to show you that they still regard their own language and culture as superior to your own.

If we as nigerians really want to call the shots as far as dictating who should or should not be doing business in our country we need to address the more pressing problem of getting rid of our corrupt leaders who work hand in hand with those white south africans that come to nigeria to do business, those white south africans are providing goods and services that we should be providing to our own people ourselves and our corrupt govts are supporting them becasue they receive backhanders.

kgr28: which companies are those?? Arent afrikaaners south africans??

afrikaaners are the descendants of dutch settlers who created a racist socio economic system which ensured that only whites would reap the benefits from the wealth of south africa not the blacks - why did they introduce the bantu education act which prevented black south africans from going beyond primary education, why did they introduce id cards which black south africans were forced to carry when entering white neighbourhoods, why were blacks confined to labouring for the whites in the mines but not allowed to own anything of value in their own country?

londoner: ^^^Then SA companies should pack out of Nigeria too then huh?

You need to understand that SA companies are owned by europeans not black south africans, your leaders are also working hand in hand with these europeans who come into nigeria rip you off by providing services to nigerians (at extortionate rates) that indigenous nigerian companies should be providng , after reaping huge profits they repartriate all this ill gotten wealth back to either south africa or europe and your corrupt nigerian leaders get a cut for allowing this to happen - now tell me do you think your leaders will want to cut off this very lucrative source of revenue which by the way is only going into their pockets?

kgr28: my bro, you cannot reason or convince any nigerian that their country is a mess...if you talk facts bout SA. Their immediate defence is HIV,WHITE PEOPLE, RAPISTS,CARJACKERS. They always brag bout how educated,smart, hotbeautiful they are, gaints of africa. In spite of that their country wack. They are suppose to to power house of west africa,but west africa fvcked up, they cant keep stability in that region. 60 years of independence, claiming their smart they cant and havent fixed their power supply, roads,infrastructure, dont have national carrier, lots of varsities and graduates but their qualifications not up world standards. They just talk too much and they are arrogant. So ntja just annoy them!!

the only reason that south africa remains stable today is because it is still owned and run by whites in the interest of white business interests - many west african countries are deliberately destabilised by europe and america in order to keep those countries in a state of permanent chaos so that western businesses can have easy acces to the natural resources of those countries. countries like liberia, sierra leone, ivory coast were all destabilised by the united states and britain - war is a money making machine and united states is the world's biggest arms dealer, also a war has been going on in DRC since the mid 90s funded by the united states, the europeans allow south africa to remain stable mainly because it was singled out for white settlement there is no way europeans are going to destabilise a country where their own people reside - its called self preservation and patriotism - love for one's own people and culture.

Black south africans and nigerians are more or less in the same boat - both have had their natural resources stolen by europeans who still own everything of value in their country and both have been sold out by their black ruling class.

Also majority of their respective populations live in poverty caused by europeans, the only difference between nigerians and south africans is that black south africans have actually fought to try and free themselves from their enslavers this is mainly due to the fact that they were forced to live under an aparthied system imposed on them by europeans.

Perhaps if nigerians had lived under an aparthied system they would be equally hostile to other africans who were flooding into their country to make a living.

I can not suffer and die to obtain freedom for myself my children and my grandchildren only for a foreigner to come and reap where they did not sow.

Also nigerians should be focusing on removing those puppets of britain and america who run their own country instead of running to other african coutnries to make a living, charity begins at home - you cant expect a south african who fought and died so that his own children and grandchildren could be free in his own country to be happy that you are coming in to have a share in the resources of his country when you were not part of the fight.

wanna be black americans

still looks cray

debosky: Fashola is the democratically elected representative of Lagos state - he has the mandate to collect taxes and levies on behalf of the residents of Lagos State.


He is doing a lot of things - or do you think initiatives like this https://www.nairaland.com/1192711/lagos-build-inner-city-roads are paid for by hot air?

Besides, if taxpayers feel they are not benefiting, then they should challenge the validity of the levy/taxes through legal channels not by beating up employees of the government carrying out their legal duties.



Irrelevant examples - is Walmart coming to compete with Mile 2 spare part dealers?

we all know that nigeria is not a democracy, the people of nigeria do not benefit in any way from any govt policies - elections are rigged and/ or bought - FACT

Fashola's intiatives are aimed at enriching himself and his business associates and impoverishing the masses.

challenge by way of legal channels - in a country like nigeria that does not respect the rule of law ? where judges are bought left right and centre? give me a break

I never said WAlmart was coming to compete with spare parts dealers i referred to walmart in a generic sense - what i meant was that only corporations with the wealth, market share and international standing as Walmart will be able to compete in a free trade zone.

debosky: Fashola is the democratically elected representative of Lagos state - he has the mandate to collect taxes and levies on behalf of the residents of Lagos State.


He is doing a lot of things - or do you think initiatives like this https://www.nairaland.com/1192711/lagos-build-inner-city-roads are paid for by hot air?

Besides, if taxpayers feel they are not benefiting, then they should challenge the validity of the levy/taxes through legal channels not by beating up employees of the government carrying out their legal duties.



Irrelevant examples - is Walmart coming to compete with Mile 2 spare part dealers?

none of fashola's policies are benefitting the average lagosian

aribisala0: Me answer your question. Ogun will visit your household and play with your family.
Ogun who played with the the littele child and behold
her v.agina bled all day.
Your mother will bleed to death

It will not be well with your mother she will succumb to cancer and die with wailing and agony

hahaha just as i thought - an old deranged loser trawling NL night and day looking for e fights with young men, young enough to be his grandson - old man go and take your meds or better still try euthanasia - the less unhinged maggots like you we have in our midst the better.

aribisala0: It is the responsibility of Nigeria to provide job for its people not Lagos. The Failure of the FG and other states means everyone troops down to Lagos. It is not the job of Lagos to employ the nation.Lagos has not failed at all in providing employment to millions from other FAILED STATES.I continue to ask yo your state. Are you ashamed of it? Please mention your state do not be ashamed.

How many of these traders are Lagos indigenes. Probably they are from other failed states and we welcome them in Lagos. But they must abide by the rules.
What we are saying is spare parts trading is NOT petty trading come together and form a company we do not want small fry in that business. If you don't like it go to court

Were those people in the slums of Makoko from the east? How come Fashola could not rehouse them, many of them had been living in that area for generations.

Why are you so keen to focus on my state of origin - i am not a tribalist like you as i see myself as a nigerian citizen free to live anywhere in nigeria that i choose, do you see americans from different states being told to go back to their states of origin if they cant find jobs in one state?

All businesses started out on a small scale and built up - in civilised societies small businesses are incentivised and benefit from govt loans and subsidies, in nigeria they are run out of town. Would you prefer a foreign multinational to come to nigeria use lagosians as cheap sweat shop workers and remit all their profits back to europe and america - is that your idea of progress?

aribisala0: Well poor people should NOT be selling spare parts.That is definitely not for poor people in Lagos. We need serious companies that can offer the safety and quality guarantees required by law. There are other businesses in Lagos for poor people,selling spare parts is NOT one of them.

Don't you think its the responsibility of a government to provide jobs for its people? Lagos state govt has failed in this respect and these traders have gone out there and tried to make a living for themselves despite this glaring failure of their own govt - in advanced societies govts are brought down for failing to provide basics such as employment and housing, in nigeria govts not only do not provide a means of livelhood for their citizens they take away the little that the masses have managed to scrounge for themselves.

Josh090: @bolded, care to explain how you know this?

I research issues.