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This season.

Mata 656 mins 2 goals 3 assists.
Ziyech 774 mins 2 goals 3 assists.
Pulisic 1054 mins 2 goals 0 assists.

Ibime:
55 EPL G/A in 7 years with Manure, average of less than 8 per season. Keep counting Europa League assists where Mata took you to.

Mata was the game changer you thought you bought but the disappointment and mediocrity you came to tolerate. Accept it.

Mata has scored 17 G/A and Assists against Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal, Juventus and City. All in EPL or Champions league. Count for me any midfielder in EPL with such record.

He also scored in FA cup finals. Starting all the Cup finals since he came

Ibime:
NextD18 and Capitalcee keep shouting 97 G/A for Manure and counting Europa League and worthless competitions he took them to. Like I said, if you want to count assists against small teams and be trounced in big games, Mata is your man

Mata only has 55 G/A in EPL in 7 years with Manure - an average of 7.8 GA per year in EPL as an AM with no defensive responsibility.

This is why nobody ever bought Mata in FPL.

It's a fücking disgrace.

Mata has scored 17 G/A and Assists against Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal, Juventus and City. All in EPL or Champions league. Count for me any midfielder in EPL with such record.

OJURONGBE1:
Oga ibime, I've learnt alot from you on this thread but you see this Juan Mata yarn, rest on it abeg

No he should continue na.
He said mata has been poor in man u, that has been totally been debunked.
He said Mata was inconsequential in chelsea but won pkayer of the season the 2 seasons he was in Chelsea.
He said mata stat pads against small teams and failed to do anything against rubust teams. But he has contributed more goals against big teams that almost all the midfielders in EPL since he arrived man u.
All his accusations were all baseless and lacked merit

Ibime:
The league tables, his disappearance against robust teams and constant benching back me up. If you enjoy midtable mediocrity while counting assists against small teams, Mata is your man. He has been a target for opposition and cause of instability in your midfield and underperformance in your team and never showed up to take control of midfield consistently. I will remind you he is only 32 years old and has been a substitute since God knows when. Yes we love him for his charity and personality, and also for leading the scummies into years of mediocrity.

Constant benching?
Causing instability?
Underperformance and underperformance against rubust teams?
Mata only became bit part player in Man U since Mourinho arrived and you know the reason, how on earth is he causing instability in our midfield?

Mata vs Big teams since he came to Man U.

Liverpool 3 goals 2 assists.
Man city 2 goals 1 assists.
Arsenal. 1 goal.
Chelsea. 1 goal 1 assist.
Juventus 1 goal.

Thats 11 goals contributions. Not counting the 4 goals 2 assists versus Leicester. Tell me any chelsea midfielder in that time with such records
Mata scored an equaliser against Palace in 2016 FA cup finals to take the game to extra time. He has started all Cup finals since he came to man united, So what are you saying?

NextD18:
Since Mata left Chelsea in 2014 for ManU, he has scored 50 goals with 47 assists since then for manU, that's about 97 G/A.

No Chelsea Midfielder has reached that tally since Mata's departure. Yet he's a flop for manU according to one LampFraud fan.

If Mata flopped for ManU with those stats, then no midfielder in Chelsea has done well for the past 7 years.

He clearly doesn't like Mata. Dont mind him, his claims are very baseless. Since Mata came to Man U in 2014. No midfielder in Chelsea has contributed more goals and Assist than him.

Ibime:
Stop deceiving yourself. Mata is a Manure flop. It is known.

Thats in your dream, as you cannot back up your claims on anything. Mata is loved by everyone in United and has scored important goals.

Ibime:
He was a nonentity in our UCL run.

A shame that a 34 year old DM Lampard will be remembered as key to our UCL run while a prime Mata was a complete nonentity toward winning UCL and since you want to digress, the same Mata has since been a nonentity and flop at Manure in his prime years. 7 years a flop. No statistics you will mention about Mata at Chelsea that Lampard did not beat in his prime, and without being a passenger like Mata was, leading us to 6th position while claiming awoof assists in small games.

Where did you get this from? You have made a very incorrect comment. Mata started all cup finals for Man U since he arrived and was the Midfielder who has the highest G/A ratio in the EPL since he came to Man U, even higher than D.Silva. Bruno must have since bettered that. So how is he a Flop? If Mata is a flop and nonentity at Man then eveey single chelsea Midfielder is a flop since he left.

raumdeuter:
What was Matas role? 1 goal 1 assist in all knockout and missing the opening penalty in the final?

Ballack in the Leverkusen scored in the quarter and semi finals for Leverkusen and Germany, while Mata was benched for all but 20mins in an entore competition

What exactly did Mata contribute to Spain

Mata scored the decisive away goal versus Napoli, and assisted in the final thats his role. Ballack missed a sitter in the final and was not effective. You are blaming terry that kept Chelsea in the game. If Ballack had kept his shots on target and did not drift in and out of games, perhaps he would have won UCL

airmark:
I thought winning a world cup is not a team's achievement when you said Ballack got Germany to the World cup final.


Mata and Wijnaldum >>>>>>> Ballack and Debruyne

Yeah when its Balkack its not a team effort like he dragged Leverkusen and Germany, or when he was blaming Terry for Ballack failure to win UCL. But for Mata and Wijnaldum they are inconsequential even when they played vital roles in thier teams victory

raumdeuter:
You forgot to mention Terrys cluelessness throughout the game where he was repeatedly bailed out

Both games were decided on penalties Ballack stepped up as the first shooter, scored, Mata did the same and missed

If Ballack had scored the sitter he missed there wont be penalty shoutout. Chelsea wins.

If Mata had miscued his assist no penalty shootout Chelsea loses.

These are the things you fail to account for. The most important thing here is that Mata was decisive to his team victory, Ballack was not. You can wriggle out of this one

raumdeuter:
What was his contribution in the CL? Anyone can win the award based on performance in the League or other competitions
2 goals and 3 assists in a competition of 13 games isn't stellar for an attacking player
Throughout the knockout stages, Mata had 1 goal and 1 assist.

Amalanomics see as you are disecting Mata, Rooney only scored 1 goal in knockout stages of 2008 , so he is useless abi? Messi did not score in 2014 world cup knockout but was the player of the tournament, very soon you will soon say he only scored in the 2nd half of games. The fact is that among the midfielders in Chelsea he was the most decisive. 5 G/A for Midfielder including an assist in final is not inconsequential.

raumdeuter:
John Terry will be able to answer why he didnt win.
In the CL final Ballack played for Chelsea he took the first penalty and scored his penalty on the way to winning but John Terry struck
In the CL final Mata played for Chelsea he took the first penalty and he missed his penalty on the way to losing but Petr Cech struck

Can you spot the similarities and differencies

You are only looking at fine margins because it doesn't siut your narrative. You forgot to mention that Terry kept Chelsea in the game with a goal bound clearance from Giggs, while Ballack missed a Sitter to give Chelsea the lead.

Mata assist was very decisive in helping his team to victory, so are you going to say Ronaldo's goal waz inconsequential because he missed penalty?

Ibime:
Mata dragged what?

Bikonu respect yourself.

Mata was the most inconsequential player in our UCL run.

He was inconsequential but scored 2 and assisted 3 goals including 1 in the final. He was infact Chelsea's player of the season. What an inconsequential player he must be. Agenda must agend na

raumdeuter:
I will name 5 players more important to Chelseas CL win and wont name Mata

Cech Ivanovic, Cashley Lampard Drogba

Na dem Cahill Ramires Mikel go dey drag with Mata

How can you say this dayo. Mata was Chelsea player of the season in 2012. He scored 2 goals and assisted 3 including 1 in the final. Nawa for you oo

NextD18:
2 goals 3 assist. Total of 5 G/A in 12 appearances.

Name 3 Chelsea midfielders that got that stat without penalties.

No mind them. I remember very clearly Mata was very important. He even won Chelsea footballer of the season how is he inconsequential?

raumdeuter:
How is Leverkusen a powerhouse? Powerhouse of where? Maybe we will call Spurs too a powerhouse

Ballack played the CL final with Chelsea, and was on the way to winning until John Terry struck

Balack played in Bayern and chelsea why disnt he win it

raumdeuter:
Thiago Silva played the CL final and he cost his team the trophy, never made the CL finals despite being from a football powerhouse and playing for top clubs. The only final he made, he dropped a disasterclass
Boateng played the world cup final was one of the best for his country and club

Oya find the parrallels

What of Ballack that played in Bayern, Chelsea and Leverkusen teams who are also power houses. Yet Mata played for the same team Chelsea and made the difference

raumdeuter:
Matas usefulness to the winning team was all 3mins in an entire tournament. While others were playing over 400mins, Mata was only good enough for 3mins. Obiously Spain won it without his contributions

And UCL in Chelsea nko, he was inconsequential too? Mata dragged Chelsea to Champions league glory. Assisting the goal in the final. Ballack could not

NextD18:
Reason he shouldn't be used in the same sentence with Mou and Pep.

His fans should know his level.

Lol. Mourinho and Pep are leagues and by far have greater managerial careers than Klopp. Klopp won just 5 major trophies Mourinho won 20 plus small small ones wey i no wan count.

raumdeuter:
Champions League is the biggest club competition where all the top teams meet. Anyone can win a league title dependng on the country you find yourself and the club you are managing

Gerrard is about to win a League in Scotland how do we compare him to Zidane who won the League in Spain?
How do you compare who is better between Ahly who won Egyptian league, Kano Pillars who won the Nigerian league and A team who won the Maritius league

You said it all it depends on league thats why i mentioned EPL titles and not Scottish league. Ndubuisi Egbo won Albanian league, but in terms of prestige even uefa conference league is higher. Europa league for example is higher than scotish, Danish or polish league, but Bundesliga and Ligue one are a bit bigger, even English FA cup is almost equivalent. UCL is the biggest club competition in Europe, but EPL is of equal status. Even the Gerrard you mentioned have won UCL but not EPL but till today he is still rueing it. Liverpool won 2 UCLs within that 30 years drought period but not EPL, people still talk of it. So UCL does not completely overshadow EPL for example. It might be for teams like Bayern, PSG and co that win thier leagues easily but not for English teams and EPL.

raumdeuter:
Mata was so consequential that he played a total of 3 minutes in 6 games to win the Euros. Of all the players Spain took to the Euros, Mata will be one of the least consequential

And yet scored and assisted in the Euros final, but Ballack with all his minutes could do nothing in the biggest stage.
By Dayo's logic Mata is greater than Ballack

raumdeuter:
Mata barely played a role in the winning of the World cup, he was merely a decoration on the bench while Ballack took his team to the final which he missed because of a suspension and his team lost

Amalanomics lol. Was it not the same thing you used in dissing Thaigo Silva?

Mata Played almost all the matches as Chelsea won UCL. He even assisted Drogbas goal.

Ballack had 2 opportunities at UCL final and did nothing.
He played Euros final and also did nothing. Mata scored and assisted in Euro final.

By your logic Mata >>>>>> Ballack

raumdeuter:
Ballack took his country to the world cup, What has Mata and Wijnaldum done for their countries?
You even posted Mata that was a decoration on the bench when Spain was winning

Spain played660mins to win the world cup, how many of it did Mata play

Mata Scored and Assisted in the Final of Euros. Assisted drogbas goal in UCL finals.

Ballack played 2 UCL finals and did nothing, played Euros final and did nothing.

By your logic Mata >>>>>> Balkack

raumdeuter:
Klopp has won the biggest cup which is the CL and made the final 3 times

How many times has Emery and Cuntay won it or even made the semi

And they coached top sides like Juventus Chelsea Inter PSG Arsenal. There is none of those sides not better than Mainz

So Di matteo is better than Allegri and Conte?

raumdeuter:
Ballack took his country to the world cup finals, what has Mata and Wijnaldum done for their country?

You said 1 gold is better than 10 silvers.

Ballack 0 world cup, 0 Euros, 0 UCL, 0 Europa/Uefa cup.

Mata 1 world Cup, 1 Euros, 1 UCL, 2 Europas.

By your logic Mata >>>> Ballack

raumdeuter:
1 gold medal is greater than 10 bronze

What are the achievements of these coaches in the CL

Champions league is not totally better than everything. Roberto DiMateo has won 1 UCL, he is not better than Arsene Wenger, Allegri, Emery and Conte. Ancellotti has won 3 UCL is he better than Sir Alex Ferguson and Guardiola who have won 2? Lol. Dayo you done begin this your amala turning. UCL for example is not completely better than EPL title they are somewhat equal in terms of prestige.

NextD18:
Alaye list Klopp and Emery's total number of trophies and stop running around.

Klopp has managed for 2 decades, list his trophies let's compare to Emery's.

Klopp's trophy return has been poor.

raumdeuter:
Klopp has managed Mainz Dortmund and Liverpool
He has won 1 CL and made 3 CL finals

Allegri + Emery + Cuntay = 0 CL and 2 finals Managing Sevilla, PSG, Chelsea Juventus Inter AC Milan

You forgot to mention that they have 12 league titles and 10 premier national Cups between them. Plus Emery alone has won 3 Europa leagues and made 1 finals, beating klopp in one of those. Allegri has reached 2 UCL finals too. Thats 25 major trophies between them.

Klopp has won just 3 league titles, 1 UCL. and 1 DFB pokal in 20 years of management. Thats a pretty poor return. Mourinho for example has won 20 major trophies in the same number of years including 8 league titkes , 2 UCL and 2 Europa.

raumdeuter:
Everything gets levels. Zaha is Palace attacking threat, Pepe was Lilles attacking threat. Hazards level is Chelsea.
The moment these players tried to upgrade their level, they crashed
Chelsea used to be a top team in Europe before Hazard joined making semi-finals and finals easily.
If you notice, the moment Hazard became Chelsea's main attacking threat was when they stopped becoming a threat in the CL

7yrs before Hazard Chelsea made 2 finals, 3 semis, 7yrs of Hazard they made 1 semi

But he causes opposition teams problems at least

afrodoc2:
Of course Hazard is better than Pepe, Bebe, Nene e.t.c

It was when they started comparing him favorably to his fathers like Messi, CR7 and his big bros like Neymar that we had to caution them. We could not ignore the plethora of evidence revealing his weak mentality and his lack of vision.

There is no excuse that they did not give (and continue to give) for the fat and gluttonous dancer. They claimed for years that their own club was holding him back and if he went to a big club he would be the best. Now his egungun don cross express and water has found its level, and he has been exposed to be pants.

This place would have been inundated with videos, gifs, memes and the rest if he was shining in La Liga. The cautionary tale of Marina, her pant, and her buys is evidence of this.

The level of Ls this board has been recieving in this few months now is mind blowing.

Marina's pants.
Pius Hazard to Madrid.
Werner mighty.
Losing FA cup final after boasting of winning when it matters.
Towel man mendy.
Fraudvertz
Fraudulent fat Frank.

E remain 1 but i no wan talk fes

raumdeuter:
That is because Chelsea is a mediocre club, that was why Hazard was able to work for you. At the elite club he went to, he flopped hard. Same way Zaha is an excellent player for Crystal Palace

But to be frank to Hazard he is Chelsea attacking threats for years. Even though he doesn't score or assists much, he causes opposition teams a lot of problems and keeps the defenders busy. You have to give him kudos for that. Hazard id not bad all round