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[quote author=Nadia_SA1]LoL wow thanks for the comments nd whatever yall think of me..


But whoever created this thread aint me I only have one account which is nadia_sa1

Daalu[/quote]This account looks like the fake one instead. It says registered November 6, 2013. The Nadia I've been seeing has been on here longer than that.

I think she has a totally different contrasting personality in real life to the one she poses to have on nairaland (Most people on here are like that anyway). Seen some of her post on so many threads and I think she is not so smart (Just OK for the average human). Not a force to reckon with. And of course she's pretty(not all that though). She also seems to be too concerned about getting peoples' approval.

This is meant to be less than note 3 but > S 4. I for one thinks the J series is unnessesary.

I feel we are really undre apperciated.

PezzoNovante: I don't like windows phone...

Honestly. Personally, I find WP boring. Those live tiles are even more anoying.

[quote author=krugar07][/quote]Thanks boss. But Just trying to show them that what ever they call it has more advantages over the overrated aluminum.

littlebigdude: nope. someone told me if one uses more data than calls 3G would last more than edge, and if one stays on calls than data usage, edge uses more battery.

Well that is false. Under every circumstance, 3G requires more power.

krugar07: ^^^^^^ u ga' a lo'a tym onn ya 'ole 'ans.

Translation??

WhiteNiccur: To me android is just a joke,

Just like your thought, your opinion is a joke. In fact, you are a big joke. And 2 billion Android users do not give a fúck.

I liked the idea of open source when it was 1st announced in 2007 but looking at the OS now disappoints me.

Who cares how you feel about android. You know what open sourse has done for Google?? 80% of the smartphone market share. The world will not notice or change an inch while you die from depression of being dissapointed while Google smiles to the bank.

The play store is filled with lots of malware and junk apps...apps that forces u to post a good review before u can install, some apps won't even let u delete them, too many ads and sometimes u'll even have ads on the middle of ur screen while playing a game.

There is no MALWARE on the play store. I don't know if you just heard the word, liked how it sounded and started using it everywhere. Or you just saw comments from your troll gods from other tech sites and being a hipster that you are, you decided to say the same shît. And as regards ads, there are iOS as with equally annoying ad showing.

When bbm came on android one could not even tell which app was bbm, u had over 100 fake bbm app.

if one searched well, he would have four the app with no stress.

Apple applies a lot of scrutiny to make sure every app in the App Store is safe.
What differentiates ur samsung from every other cheap android phones? Just hardware!! #Boring

This is my problem with all these hipster iFanboys. You have never used android phones extensively yet you sit behind your screens and type shït about it simply because you saw your iTroll gods on other tech sites. You don't seem to known the meaning of 'open source'. Let me educate you. Android OEMs are allowed to tweak the android OS and add their skins to it. Hence giving it added functionality which they optimize to their hardwares. Samsung's android is called "touch wiz" which is the most functional mobile software skin in the world. I give the boring tag to iOS which most of its functionality comes from 3rd party apps.

WhiteNiccur: Let's talk about Operating systems 1st, even android OS cannot even be compared to the old iOS 6...not to talk of iOS 7...

Without reasons?? Because you are the smartphone god that sets the standards What a hipster!!!

App wise, u get the best apps on the iphone and applications comes with earlier updates for all devices...on the android platform u have to many compatibility issues with different devices.

Both app stores are almost equal in app quality and updates come just about the same time.

How often does ur android device get updates? I've updated my IOS 7 three times already.

Depends on the OEM in question I use a Samsung and a nexus so I get OS updates. And they come pretty much early.

Let's use bbm as an example, how many updates for bbm have u gotten for android? Just 2 since the launch of bbm on android and iOS...

Don't be an idiot. Its obvious at this point that you are no techie, just one of those American wannabes who see owning an iPhone as a status symbol.

Anyways..Don't get so excited. The only reason iOS got received more updates over time was because of the several bugs that needed fixing not because iOS is given more priority. This only shows that the android app was better built. Also, remember the BBM app was released first to an android OEM, Samsung to be specific, before it even got to iOS.

The samsung camera is no match for the iphone that now has slow mo and isense....

LoL...says who?? Go read all popular camera comparison reviews. The Samsung galaxy s4 zoom and note 3 cameras muder any iPhone camera out there.Do you just sit behind you screen, fantasize lies about the iPhone you wish were true and type them on here?? Slo-mo? You mean slo-joke?? Lol...there are Android apps on the play store with that gimmick of a feature. Now let's lalk about real functionality... your dead ipon (purposely misspelled) can't shoot 4k videos. Finger print scanner? Are you talking about that gimmick on the iPhone with so many bugs and the one German developers exposed how gimmicky it was?? Is it that big joke you're talking about. Please have a seat.

The samsung is no match for the iphone, I'll post a link that'll help u decide

Speed?? That's because it is better optimized to the hardware. iOS is too light when a little weight was put on it with iOS7 we started hearing cases of lag and constant app crashing. Reason why iOS is boring and lacks as many functionalities like Samsung's touch wiz.

texasbullet: tell them o samsung that has been selling plastic to the world over the years, thanks to android platform who amongst u guys can boast of samsung before the invention of android pls always compare samsung with tecno, htc, infinix and other droid not apple ok !

'Plastic'...Hahahah. The iMedia has succeeded been brainwashing you that aluminum is better than plastic. Some things Samsung offers with 'plastic' that aluminum doesn't-
1. Durability (I don't expect you to believe this. of course you have been brainwashed by iMedia that aluminum is more durable)
2. Expendable memory through SD Card.
3. Easier reparability (iphone sucks at that).
4. Removable battery( I can go from 0 to 100% in 5 seconds)
5. Lesser scratch propensity (some iphones come of scratched out the box)
6. Lesser impact/damage to internal components on fall ( F=Ma. Does that ring a bell? Plastic is lighter than alumium so lesser force created.

P.S: Samsung made Android this popular and not the other way round.. The 80% market share Android holds is mainly due to samsung.

mitwitdot: Presently using a samsung with 2 quad processors(note 3) and 3 gig ram, I will say that an iphone 5 is still more powerful in terms of processing power...also used an ipad 2 64 gig, its almost the same processing power with a newer model samsung note. Mind you, apple released the ipad in 2011. I would say apple is ahead of samsung in mobile devices for now.

Samsung just like adding some useless motion and eye features that dont even work perfectly.

iOS is just more optimized. Android needs more power i.e more hardware power to run s smoothly.

Did you create this thread just for the sake of creating one?

JMAN05: Your conclusion is faulty.

1. can stauros be translated "stake"? your answer.

2. at Galatians, what scripture was Paul quoting? and in that scripture, what instrument was used? a tree/stake or cross?

My conclusion is faulty because it is not what you believe (what you believe maybe wrong)? True Christians are ready to learn and not tweak meanings to suit what they believe.

JMAN05: when you say give us a picture of hell, what do you mean 'cos hell is just a common grave of dead mankind, both righteous and unrighteous go there.

Gehenna cant be used to depict everlating fire. why? the dead know nothing. Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10.

Again, this passage makes it clear that the dead in christ goes somewhere different from the dead in the world.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [or precede or go before] them which are asleep. ” For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” Wherefore comfort one another with these words." —1st Thessalonians. 4:13-18

I wonder why you ignored this part of the post? Because it once again proves your beliefs wrong?

JMAN05: We cannot understand that scripture to mean eternal torment. why? because understanding it that way will contradict Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10. the dead know nothing.

Now, how do we understand this verse?

Can you open to Isaiah 34:9, 10? That was a prophesy for Edom. Do you think Edom's fire is still burning today? how would you interprete this scripture? It holds a key to our unlocking the meaning of what is stated in that revelation.

The book of Ecclesiastics as a whole has one message which is the vanity of life. Put that in mind. Ecclesiastes contains reflections of an old man, the “Preacher,” as he considered the question of meaning in life. He looked back and saw the futility (“vanity”) of chasing after even the good things this life can offer, including wisdom, work, pleasure, and wealth. Even if such things are satisfying for a time, death is certain to end this satisfaction. In fact, God’s judgment on Adam for his sin (Gen. 3:17- 19) echoes throughout the book (especially 12:7). Yet the person who lives in the fear of the Lord can enjoy God’s good gifts. Young people, especially, should remember their Creator while they still have their whole lives before them (12:1).

Having said that, King Solomon was inspired to write: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6.

How true those words are! Really, who recalls ancestors of two hundred or three hundred years ago? Often even their graves are unknown or long neglected. Does that mean that there is no hope for our dead loved ones? No, not at all. Martha said to Jesus regarding her dead brother, Lazarus: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (John 11:24) Jesus would have opposed her if that wasn't true or real. The Hebrew people believed that God would resurrect the dead at a future time. Yet, that did not stop them from grieving over the loss of a loved one.—Job 14:13.

The message of the book of revelations is also very clear. Commendation, criticism, and comfort. Then comes a long series of visions of judgment on the wicked, all in highly symbolic language. The church is depicted under great distress but is assured of the final triumph of Jesus as “King of kings and Lord of lords” (19:16), bringing to an end the rebellion of humanity and ushering in “a new heaven and a new earth” (21:1), where God himself will reign forever and ever (11:15).

Why can't it be understood the way it is? Because it is the Bible and of contradicts your beliefs?? Oh please!! Isaiah 34:9-10 was a prophesy may has not been fulfilled till now. Many of Isaiah's prophesies have no happened yet. This section of Isaiah’s prophecy (34:1 – 35:10) is again apocalyptic in nature. The object of God’s wrath will be the “nations, the earth,” and “the world.” Here the prophet depicts the worldwide carnage of the Battle of Armageddon when God’s “indignation” and “fury” are poured out on “all nations” (goylm, Gentiles).

So great is this destruction that “mountains shall be melted” and the “host of heaven shall be dissolved” (i.e. melt or vanish). So severe is this devastation that the atmospheric “heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll.” This apocalyptic judgment will be so cataclysmic that it will affect the earth and its atmosphere, and it will usher in “new heavens and a new earth” (65:17). It talks about when the earth shall be totally destroyed, which had not happened yet.

STOP TWEAKING THE MEANING OF BIBLE PASSAGES TO SATISFY YOUR BELIEFS!!!!!

Memyselfu2009: That's word there in supposed to be gehenna not hell fire I would give u other bible verse that use the word gehenna nd compare with various bible. Some bible would say hell fire some will say gehenna both are quite different pls compare Mathew 10 vs 28 Mathew 23 vs 15 Matthew 5 vs 22 29 30 Mathew 18 vs 9 mark 9 vs 45 nd 47 mark 9 vs 43 my bible mention gehenna through out nor hell fire check ur bible nd other version of other bible

[size=18pt]Ge·hen·na  (g-hn)[/size]
n.
1. A place or state of torment or suffering.
2. The abode of condemned souls; hell.
[Late Latin, from Greek Geenna, from Hebrew gê' hinnm, possibly short for gê' ben hinnm, valley of the son of Hinnom, a valley south of Jerusalem : gê', valley of, bound form of gay', valley; see gy in Semitic roots + hinnm, personal name; see hnn in Semitic roots.]

Those translations that use Ghenna are only trying to liken the suffering in the valley of Ghenna to That of hell. In other words, give the reader a basic picture of what hell is like. They do not mean different things. Can't remember what that is called in literature.

Do not be deceived. These doctrines are straight from the pit of hell. The devil wants you to disregard the wages of sin, he wants you to see them as "not so gross". He that has ears, let him hear.

Memyselfu2009: I would give example I believe jesus died on a stake or tree not on a cross check act 5 vs 30 act 10 vs 39 galatians 3 vs 13 Matthew 10 vs 38 Luke 9 vs 23 my bible use stake or true thru out not cross compare with u bible nd use other bible in some bible in would see tree was used in another verse of that bible tree or stake was used pls compare

Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a literal tree that had leaves on it.  The Greek words for cross and tree are different.  Let's take a look.  The Greek word for cross is σταυρός "stauros":

"literally cross, an instrument of capital punishment, an upright pointed stake, often with a crossbeam above it, or intersected by a crossbeam (MT 27.32); (2) by metonymy, as the means of atonement punishment of the cross, crucifixion (PH 2.; as a religious technical term representing the significance of the atoning death of Jesus in the Christian religion cross (1C 1.18); metaphorically, the dedication of life and the self-denial that a believer must be prepared to take on himself in following Christ (LU 14.27)" 1

The word (σταυρός, stauros) "cross" occurs 27 times in the New Testament in 27 verses: Matthew 10:38; 16:24; 27:32; 27:40; 27:42; Mark 8:34; 15:21; 15:30; Mark 15:32; Luke 9:23; 14:27; 23:26; John 19:17; 19:19; 19:25; 19:31; 1 Cor. 1:17; 1:18; Gal. 5:11; 6:12; 6:14; Eph. 2:16; Phil. 2:8; 3:18; Col. 1:20; 2:14; Heb. 12:2.

Now, let's focus on one of them, Matt 27:40 which says, “You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross."

This is a definitive verse that deals with exactly what Jesus was crucified on, and the Greek word in the verse is "stauros."  Therefore, Jesus was crucified on a cross.

Tree

Tree, as in a growing plant with branches, is the greek word δένδρα "dendra" and it occurs 25 times in 18 verses in the New Testament: Matthew 3:10; 7:17; 7:18; 7:19; 12:33; 13:32; 21:8; Mark 8:24; Luke 3:9; 6:43; 6:44; 13:19; 21:29; Jude 12; Revelation 7:1; 7:3; 8:7; 9:4.

There is no use of the word "tree" (δένδρα "dendra" in reference to the cross.  If that is so, then why do some Bibles translate it into the word "tree" when referencing Jesus' crucifixion?  For that, let's look at a third word.

Wood

Sometimes the Greek word for wood is used of the cross.  The word ξύλον "wood" occurs a total of 20 times in the New Testament.  Those that refer to the cross of Christ are:

Acts 10:39, "We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross (ξύλον, wood)."
Acts 5:30, "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross(ξύλον, wood)."
Acts 13:29, "When they had carried out all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the cross (ξύλον, wood) and laid Him in a tomb."
Galatians 3:13, "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree (ξύλον, wood)."
1 Peter 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross (ξύλον, wood), so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
So we see that the Bible uses the terms interchangeably.  But this doesn't mean that Jesus was crucified on a literal tree.  Remember, above in Matt 27:40 we see exactly which word is used to describe what Jesus was crucified on, a cross.

“You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross," (Matt. 27:40).

Conclusion

Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a tree.

Memyselfu2009: So have seen the verse that says when someone dies d spirit goes back to the creator. So if all spirit goes to the creator ecclesiastes 12 vs 7. when they died which spirit would now be tormented So what spirit re u talking about ok did the bible says the spirit will suffer eternal torment back ur point that's says the spirit don't due nd it will suffer eternal torment with a bible verse

I wonder if you guys purposely decide to ignore some parts of the bible.
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SINNERS
Rev 14:10-11
10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

AND THIS TO THE SAINTS
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [or precede or go before] them which are asleep.” For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” Wherefore comfort one another with these words." —1st Thessalonians. 4:13-18

Memyselfu2009: Check other version of other bible like king James version nd the rest the compare with your own bible u.would see that it says different thing

Other versions you ask??
HERE YOU GO:

Other Translations of Matthew 5:22


But I say vnto you, that whosoeuer is angry with his brother without a cause, shall be in danger of the Iudgement: and whosoeuer shall say to his brother, Racha, shal be in danger of the counsell: but whosoeuer shall say, Thou foole, shalbe in danger of hell fire.
- King James Version (1611)

"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty {enough to go} into the fiery hell
- New American Standard Version (1995)

but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire.
- American Standard Version (1901)

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be in danger of being judged; and he who says to his brother, Raca, will be in danger from the Sanhedrin; and whoever says, You foolish one, will be in danger of the hell of fire.
- Basic English Bible

[color=#770077]But *I* say unto you, that every one that is lightly angry with his brother shall be subject to the judgment; but whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be subject to [be called before] the sanhedrim; but whosoever shall say, Fool, shall be subject to the penalty of the hell of fire.
- Darby Bible

But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause, shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell-fire.
- Webster's Bible'

[color=#000000]But I say to you that every one who becomes angry with his brother shall be answerable to the magistrate; that whoever says to his brother `Raca,' shall be answerable to the Sanhedrin; and that whoever says, `You fool!' shall be liable to the Gehenna of Fire.[/color]
- Weymouth Bible

But I tell you, that everyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council; and whoever shall say, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of the fire of Gehenna.
- World English Bible

But Y seie to you, that ech man that is wrooth to his brothir, schal be gilti to doom; and he that seith to his brother, Fy! schal be gilti to the counseil; but he that seith, Fool, schal be gilti to the fier of helle.[color]
- Wycliffe Bible

[color=#000099] but I -- I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment, and whoever may say to his brother, Empty fellow! shall be in danger of the sanhedrim, and whoever may say, Rebel! shall be in danger of the gehenna of the fire.
- Youngs Literal Bible

Memyselfu2009: Define the word sin and ask ur self how will christ become sin very funny Isaiah 59 vs 2 is referring to the nation of isreal not christ
2 corinthians. 5 vs 21 did not really say christ sin read that verse very well he was made sin for us to become righteous in God's. It's does not mean christ sin rember her first patents sin against God someone had to dieson.pur behave for us to be safe therefore when Christ come to die for us he was made sin for us to be righteous

I do not want to insult you for obvious reasons. Why is your heart so hardened?? Not ready to learn just because it clearly proofs your believe wrong. Unto the next anyway...

Again, I didn't say Christ sinned, but HE WAS MADE SIN FOR our Salvation. He was the only sinless Human worthy to pay the price of salvation.
Heb 5:7-10
7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. 8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. 9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, 10 being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

He was not conceived of man so he was the only one who wasn't born with the sinful DNA (nature) which every man was born with. 2cor 5: 21 clearly stated that he was made sin. You think death was all that happened?? Heck, most of the other Apostles and saints were also persecuted killed the way Jesus was killed. But their deaths did not bring salvation for man. There was a spiritual signicance. A priesthood and a new law was formed. And for this to happen, death had to be defeated a war was fought in hell. Heb 7:12
12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
(ESV)
Lastly, sin repels God from anyone whosoever. That's why the Fallen angels were cast out when they sinned even though they were heavenly hosts. God is holiness defined so sin has no place in with him.

Memyselfu2009: Is good u quote those verse i.guess u didn't see hell fire the bible only mention sulphur of Lake of fire ask ur self if u re put into a fire would ur body remind d same or if sulphur is poured on ur body would u remain the same there if both d devil death would be thrown into the lake of fire don't u.know it is total destruction have u seen a house that is involve in a fire incident or a human been that is been involve in a fire accident does that person remain the same.

LOL...your spirit (it you do not live right) is what will suffer judgement. The spirit cannot die so it will suffer eternal torment and fire (also known as the second death).

UFO dioh: EVERYTHING OF THE OLD CREATION HAVING BEEN CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST
We have said many times that we have to follow the Lord to take the way of the cross. But what does this mean? This means that we must receive the breaking of the cross. What is the meaning of the cross? The Bible shows us that when the Lord was hanged on the cross, He was crucified with the human body which He had put on. In God’s eyes, when He was crucified, all those who belong to Him were also crucified with Him (Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:6). If you ask a Jew, “Who was crucified?” he would say, “A Nazarene, the son of a carpenter.” If you ask a Gentile, “Who was crucified?” he would say, “A man of universal love was sacrificed on the cross.” If you ask a Christian, “Who was crucified?” he would say, “My Savior.” This is the reply of a newly saved one. An advanced Christian, however, would say, “My Savior and I. I was crucified with my Savior.” Moreover, all things apart from God—the soulish things, the sinful things, all the created things, and everything of the old creation—were crucified with Christ.

Genesis 6 is the story of Noah building the ark. The ark’s passing through the flood signifies our passing through death. However, it was not that Noah simply passed through the flood but that Noah was in the ark, and when the ark passed through the flood, Noah and his whole household also passed through the flood. From God’s perspective, we have already died on the cross. Everyone who belongs to the Lord has already been crucified with Christ. This is a fact, not a doctrine. In God’s eyes, you and I are already dead, already finished. The cross has done the terminating work. For us to have such an experience, however, we need light and revelation. We need light, vision, and seeing in order to experience Christ as our life within; in like manner, we also need light, vision, and seeing in order to experience our co-crucifixion with Christ. May God have mercy on us to show us not only that Christ is our life but also that we have already been crucified with Him. To be terminated is an attitude, not a mere doctrine. This requires light and revelation.

The cross is first a fact, then a revelation, and finally an experience. We have already heard the word of the cross, but we still need the light to reveal to us its reality. After we see it, we will joyfully say, “O Lord, I praise You. That which I never saw, I now see. I have already died on the cross. What a rest! What a release! What a deliverance!” On the one hand, death is not a good thing, but on the other hand, death is very wonderful. Once we die, all the burdens of our lifetime are swept away; hence, one death solves all problems. Some people may exhort us to crucify ourselves. However, who can crucify himself? It is impossible to crucify yourself. The crucifixion of the Lord Jesus was God’s work and was under God’s ruling. God gathered the Romans, the Jews, and the Greeks, and He crucified the Lord Jesus through those who were against God. Jesus the Nazarene did not crucify Himself; rather, He was crucified under the sovereign arrangement of God.

Due to the fact that it is impossible for a person to crucify himself, God gives man the light concerning the cross, showing him first the fact of the cross, then the revelation of the cross, and finally the experience of the cross. What is the experience of the cross? It is when our faithful God arranges our circumstances to prepare the cross for us in our daily living. Our family, our physical body, and all of the people, events, and things around us coordinate together to become the cross that works in us in order to break us. Hence, after we have seen the fact of the cross, we have to be prepared, because God’s hand will come in to do the breaking and smiting work in us.

CHRIST AND HIS CROSS ISSUING IN LIFE AND THE WAY OF LIFE
For those who love the Lord and are pursuing the Lord, herein lies the way to follow the Lord. According to God’s view, we are already on the cross. Today God is speaking such a word to us. The day will come—perhaps today, tomorrow, in a year, or in ten years—when we will be willing to receive the breaking of the cross. We will be willing to allow God’s hand to arrange our circumstances to carry out the breaking work in us so that we may have scars and wounds in us for Christ’s life to flow out through us. Therefore, everyone who is willing to receive the cross is graced and blessed. He is also a channel of living water through which Christ may flow. Such a one, just as Paul said, does not know anything among the saints except Jesus Christ, and this One crucified. Without Christ, there is no life; without the cross, there is no way. Christ and His cross issue in life and the way of life for God to flow out of us.

Jesus said this him self in Mat 5:17-18
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
(ESV)
ALSO, Paul had this to say in Gal 3:21
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
(ESV)

Memyselfu2009: Did suffer of Lake of fire mean hell fire remember act 2 vs 27 nd 30 that verse mention were jesus told is father not to forget him in sheol or hell so if jesus went to hell does it mean he went to hell fire no its simply mean jesus died and was buried in a tomb were he resurrected in the 3day. Also rember hw sodom nd gomorrah was destroy it rain from heaven suffer of Lake of fire. And also there is no record of hell fire in the bible

Jesus said this in Mat 5:22
22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool! ’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
(ESV)

[quote author=Memyselfu2009][/quote]I never said Christ sinned. I said Christ became sin.
2 Corinthians 5: 21{with my emphasis} He that knew no sin {clearly states that Christ never sinned and was blameless} was made sin by God, so that we may become the righteousness of God in Christ.
Christ knew no sin but was made sin.
AND
Isaiah 59:2 SAYS "It's your sins that have cut you off from God. Because of your sins, he has turned away and will not listen anymore."
So when Christ became sin, He was seperated from God.

Ayatullah: So what becomes of Adam, Abraham and Moses salvation who never met Jesus and never call on his name to be saved?

Christ redeemed their souls. 1 Peter 3:18-20 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water (ESV)

Memyselfu2009: I believe you know that the bible instruct true christian not to add or abstract. Act 2 jesus christ was asking is father not to forget him in sheol. That's verse didn't mention that christ fought with the devil when he died the bible recorded that christ resurrected the 3rd day or simply quote a verse were it's was writing that when jesus died he fought with the devil and also let me make some clear to u the book of revelation for tell what's Will happen now and In future. So what's is writing in the book of revelation didn't happen I christ time instead it will happen in our time or in future so stop mis. Quoting the bible ok

Peter refared to to it twice
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Jesus went to hell with the damned-- Acts 2:31 quotes David from Psalm 16:10 saying “He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in HELL, neither His flesh did see corruption.”
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Second Peter 2:4 says, “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, [Greek for hell is Tartarus] putting them in chains of darkness [literally gloomy dungeons] to be held for judgment.”
Peter intentionally uses the Greek word for hell in verse 4, Tartarus, which in Greek mythology is a place lower than Hades itself and is reserved for the most despicable and evil of all human beings, god, and demons.  Peter was emphasizing that this was the worst place in all of God’s creation of eternal torment and suffering (MacArthur’s Study Bible, p 1905).  The Jews used this term as the abode of the lowest of the low – the deepest pit there was.  The demons that were there then and must by necessity be there now, had to have been the most evil of all fallen angels. Even the demons begged and pleaded with Jesus not to cast them into the abyss when instead Jesus allowed them to go into the swine in Luke 8:31.  Jesus went down to hell to proclaim His victory but did not go there to suffer because, in reality, Calvary was a living hell in itself, since hell is the absolute absence of God and Jesus was for a time separated from the Father.  He went in spirit to hell to proclaim His victory over evil and His conquering of the grave too.  This seems to fit the meaning of the verses in 1 Peter 3:18-20.

idlaw2k3: In the first place where tithing comes up in the bible, Abraham voluntarily gave a tent of what he recovered from the nations he defeated to Melchizedek, he was not compelled to do so. Gen 14Vs20 Tithing was not a command before the law.

Animal Sacrifices also Came Before the law, Abel offered sacrifices of sheep and also Noah

Gen14vs20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. Voluntarily

Gen28vs20-22 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Voluntarily

That is why Paul wrote here at
2 Corinthians 9 6-7:

6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly ( 10%) shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully (20% and above[/i]) shall reap also bountifully.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity ( tithe): for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Heb 7 vs12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

God does not need tithe. It is the Pastors that need it that is why they preach it. Let them also preach animal sacrifice.

Matthew 5:17-18
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."


I think part of the difficulty comes as a bit of confusion as to what is meant by the law and its application.

When the law was introduced, it was never intended to be the instrument by which man would save himself, but it was the instrument through which man was to be saved. In a very real sense, man is saved through the fulfilment (keeping) of the law. When Christ fulfilled the law, he earned the privilege of life. Those who are in Christ, likewise, share in his righteousness and are delcared righteous right along side him. In that sense, the law has always stood and and will continue to stand.

That being said, though, it's important to realize that we basically choose whether the law applies to us individually or not -- through grace, we can choose to be in Christ, or we can choose to stand on our own merits when we're judged. In that sense, too, the law still stands.

Paul talks a good deal about this in the book of Romans, and the whole book gives a much more complete (and competent ) version of an explanation that I'm about to...

I think it's important to realize the role of the law. I'm going to jump arount a bit, but if we start with Romans 7:7-12, I think we can make a little more sense of this (emphasis mine):

Romans 7:7What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, "You shall not covet." 8But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

There's a certain bit of irony when the law is introduced to human nature. Being rebellious and sinful that we are, we latch on to the specifics as a means to found outlet for our repressed frustrated rebellions. The law was never meant to save man, but rather was a contrast between the holiness of God and the depravity of man. The law offered life through its fulfilment and death through its violation. This is a subtle but significant key, I think we somehow overlook when discussing grace, as this seems to be exactly how Jesus came to be our savior offering us hope for life...He earned that right by fulfiling the law.

That being said, there's still hope for us wretched sinners:

Romans 7:4Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
Looking at the block starting with v.7 we see that the law is not bad (in fact it's good) just because we use it as a springboard for badness. The law is good, and it's been fulfilled by Christ. He was the one who fulfilled it; not us.

When we look on the Romams 8, Paul clarifies a bit more (Emphasis mine):

Romans 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

The righteous requirement of the law has been fulfilled in us (those who are in Christ Jesus) by virutue of us being in Christ. The law has been fulfilled, there is, therefore no condemnation for those who are clothed with Christ's righteousness, but we should remember that those who live according to the spirit set their minds on spiritual things and will see to live in accordance with God's moral law. Romans 6:15 reminds us of this, but note, (Paul does suggest again that we're not under the law, per se):

Romans 6:15What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.


With his blood, Jesus purchased us from death. Jesus was the fulfilment of the law; not us. Because of that, we are bound as slaves of righteousness. We're not going to fulfill the law in our own lives, and we're not expected to; but lest we use this as an excuse to sin without rein, we are supposed to set our sights on righteousness out of gratitude and duty to our Savior. Those who understand the Gospel (the goodness of God, the wickedness of sin, the graciousness of God to provide a savior) will, naturally seek to please the God who save them and whom they serve, and the best way we can know what this is it to look to the law He's given us.



When Jesus came to fulfil the law (i.e. obedience leads to life; disobedience leads to death) he did just that. Notice He didn't say, that old law's no good, don't worry about it (i.e. abolish it); what he did, instead, was to come saying the law is good, and he is the fulfulment of it.

Why we do not do blood sacrifices is because the Blood of Christ shed on the cross covered us all.

The comming of Christ did not make the old testament invalid.
[/color]Galatians 3:21,22. |21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Memyselfu2009: Am just going to drop a few comment true Christians believe jesus christ and God's word the bible. The bible is a guideline for Christians to follow. So JW only believe what recorded in be bible they try to follow christ footstep. They have there doctrine which they believe in which in also backed up in the bible. For example hell fire if u read the bible every well there is no verse record hell fire what's is recorded is suffer of Lake of fire revelation 20 vs 10 to 15 remember how sodom and gomorrah was destroy it's rain suffer of Lake of fire. Therefore the word hell fire is not in any verse in the bible so how would they believe in it. Also the.bible record that jesus (act 2 vs 27 to 31) went to hell if jesus a saint why did he go to tell. Inside hell simply means grave sheol or hades they all refer to grave those are Hebrew nd Greek words for hell. So u see why they don't believe in hell fire

Why did Christ go yo hell?
God turned his back on him.
Mathew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (ESV)
In this unique and strange miracle, Jesus was crying out in anguish because of the separation He now experienced from His heavenly Father for the first and only time in all of eternity. It is the only time of which we have record that Jesus did not address God as Father. Because the Son had taken sin upon Himself, the Father turned His back. That mystery is so great and imponderable that it is not surprising that Martin Luther is said to have gone into seclusion for a long time trying to understand it and came away as confused as when he began. In some way and by some means, in the secrets of divine sovereignty and omnipotence, the God-Man was separated from God for a brief time at Calvary, as the furious wrath of the Father was poured out on the sinless Son, who in matchless grace became sin for those who believe in Him.

Why did God turn his back on Christ? Sin Seperates us from God
Isaiah 59:2 But your ainiquities have made a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear
AND
Since Christ became Sin:
2 Corinthians 5:21
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become athe righteousness of God in Him.
He was seperated from God and went to hell where he defeated the devil.

The bible did make it clear that the second death is hell Fire
HERE
Revelation 21:8 ESV
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
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Matthew 25:41 ESV

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


Try to read the Bible wholely and not selectively just to suit what you want to believe. The Bible is complete!!!!!
Also try to read the bible with the help of the Holy spirit for interpretation (That's why he was sent. To teach us all things and show us all the way). Look beyond what the paper and ink says.
PEACE!!!

idlaw2k3: On the matter of tithes

The first thing we as Christians need to understand is that the Lord Jesus released us from the "letter of the Law", which no man or woman could possibly have kept entirely. No Jew could fully keep the Old Laws. If they broke even one they were worse off in the world of "damnation" then before. Christ freed us from the shackles of this Old Testament Law. A Christian has complete freedom in Jesus; because of what Jesus did.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Tithing is an issue that many Christians struggle with. In many churches tithing is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the Biblical exhortation in regards to making offerings to the Lord.

Tithing or giving is intended to be a joy, or a blessing.

We know we are not saved by "works" and gifts such as "tithing"!

Scripture is adamant that you can never buy your way to heaven this way. We are only saved by the grace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And, we can't get to first base to receive this grace without Faith. We are therefore justified by Faith alone. We need a relationship with the Lord Jesus our Savior.
Speak to Him constantly from your heart to His.

A person who is "in the ball game" will exhibit fruits of the Holy Spirit which most likely will include giving to the poor and helping others. If they are not financially capable of giving they will help other in other ways. Perhaps they'll help others with their time or with their caring...

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were give 10% of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle / Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites of the sacrificial system.

Nowhere in the New Testament is there either a command or recommendation that Christians submit to a legalistic tithing system, or even a mandatory day of worship (like Saturday) for that matter.

Paul states that believers should set aside a portion of their income in order to support the church (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

1 Corinthians 16:1-2
1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The New Testament nowhere assigns a certain percentage of income to set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with his income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). The Christian church has essentially taken the 10% figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. Although the New Testament does not identify a specific amount or percentage to give, it does talk about the importance and benefits of giving. They should give as they are able, in keeping with his income, or as Paul says; "as God hath prospered him". Sometimes that means giving more than a tithe, sometime that may mean giving less than a tithe. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Each and every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom as to whether to participate in tithing and/or for how much he or she should give (James 1:5). “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

2 Corinthians 9 6-7:

6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Source: http://www.bibleprobe.com/tithing.htm

Galatians 3:15-21
The Law and the Promise
15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promerise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
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Tithing was not under the law. It came before the law. Every command and promise made before law (The law which came 430 years after the promise), still stands.

texazzpete: Not much bloat ware to speak about. It's almost stock android.
You can load up 8gb of games, for example, 3gb music will still see you having up to 500+ songs. You'll typically cycle out movies you've seen. 50 music videos at 50MB each is 2.5gb. Apps aren't that demanding on your storage space.

Im not saying this will fit your needs, but I don't think the situation is as dire as you think it is...and with storage space constraints, smart memory management is key.

For me, what makes the Moto g a winner is Google's support (Android 4.4 kitkat coming very soon and likely support for some future updates), excellent build quality and by for the biggest dev community for any budget phone out there. More custom roms, more tweaks than you can think of. Motorola is on course to sell millions and millions of these.

They will not sell shiit. The market is owned by Samsung and Apple. It is evident in the fact that the so much hyped LG G2 had disappointing sales even though it was widely regarded as the smartphone of 2013 by most tech sites. How well a product sells is beyond how well you do well in R & D. Marketing is key.

An inferior budget Samsung galaxy phone will outsell this device. That's what Samsung and Apple dose better than the rest.