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Are you an economist? Abeg break this your grammar down

pato405:
Huddersfield?

Bros she now works with ExxonMobil.

Hmmm, tanx bro. very insightful

I am forced to go with your point on lack of awareness. I don't think an above average naija economics graduate will try the GRE twice or thrice and not get a good score that will enable him/her land a very nice fully funded program in the US. I mean, there are many economics departments in Naija universities and the law of large numbers tells me that the higher the number, the higher the chance of getting things right.

Yes, but how many of our graduates are willing to try that number of times? Most quit after the first trial. That is the harsh reality.

[b]There should be more awareness. Economics profs should encourage their students to apply to top universities abroad. [/b]The profs should desist from assuming that the students will be their competitors in the near future. The GRE is what can be written again and again until a desired score is achieved. The profs should let their students know this fact, and even force all interested students to sit the GRE for as many times as they want. And of course, the economics departments should be willing to pay (or at least partly pay) for the GRE and TOEFL registration fees for these students.

That's really one of the defects of the Nigerian universities-lack of career counseling. Most of the Nigerian graduates merely follow the crowd and there is little or no effort by the profs to guide their students on the path to choose after school. Most of the guys you see in the top engineering programmes in the US are guys who came from middle class families, where dad and mum may have studied abroad and are deeply aware of the opportunities outside the shores. These few students, even before gaining admission into 9ja schools, knew what awaits them upon graduation. Mum, dad or in most cases their elder ones are always there to guide and advise them appropriately. Others who may not be that fortunate wallow in ignorance .

And of course, the economics departments should be willing to pay (or at least partly pay) for the GRE and TOEFL registration fees for these students

Bros, na 9ja we dey talk o, not even Ghana. No economics dept will be ready to invest in such ''frivolous'' venture. In a country where lecturers are poorly paid and the level of motivation very low, it will be difficult (not impossible) to see an econs dept that will be ready to fund student's external exams. I don't know what obtains at UNILAG, UI and OAU, but in my school nobody will listen to you.

Just to digress a bit.

Violent.

Whats your stake on commodities and forex markets? Is it an area one can build career on? I will be having a chat with one of the guys in the commodities and forex markets. He operates from singapore-Nigeria. Kindly brief me on the prospects in the this area and any other vital info. Tanx

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I think it's mostly finance and lack of awareness. Most Nigerian graduates are not bothered much about University ranking, they just want to study abroad no matter where. Also, there are lots of scholarship opportunities for engineering and most science related programmes hence the relative larger number. That cannot be said of economics/finance programmes where a very large number of people compete for very few scholarship opportunities.

Another thing is the GRE/GMAT thingy. Most Engineering grads are very good at scoring very high in these exams, and that makes it a bit easier for them to be admitted into top programmes. An average econs/finance grad in Nigeria will likely struggle to score above 600 in the GRE and that hinders the likelihood of being accepted into top US programmes.

T22

Yea, i think mimi applied for internship/nysc and i am sure that will normally get a quicker response.

Hopefully i will be called  now that my status has change a bit.

Jarus

The only thing that will make me leave this type of your job is politics. I mean politics. Not even a fully funded PhD. If i must do the PhD while on this job then it has to be in 9ja or by distance learning.

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Yes bro, i did few weeks ago.

Thanks anyway.

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Ok sir

Bro T22

You deliberately did not want to answer this question; Sege (Feb 16 3:30 PM):‎ Guy u get any body wa won get d job



Boys dey street o

jmaine:
And i thought you were quite intelligent . . .Now this is a very daft and silly statement to come up with. . .


You obsession with UNILAG feels like that of a guy who is sulking cos he wasn't qualified enough to grace the shores of UNILAG . . . .This thread is to appreciate the fact . . .that a genius has being recognized for her awesome talents and hard work and it came from an unlikely institution . . . .that goes to prove . . .that if the necessary funds are pumped into the education at all tiers . . . . More gems such as Ms Theodora shall be Unearthed . . . .

Congrats to Ms Theodora Elendu for being a shinning star . . . A bragging right to the IMSU students who have been receiving some stick from their peers   . . . .

Your are right. But this is not actually the first time an IMSU law graduate is making a 1st at the law school. It's not really about UNILAG, OAU etc. No doubt, Unilag etc are great schools as far as 9ja is concerned but this lady's achievements has gone to prove that, given the right condition, a 9ja graduate can always stand his/her ground.

moremi2008:
Princeton doesn't have a law school! Dodosh!

Ok. My emphasis is that she did well among the very best from the world.

T22

Exactly, she probably had a strong foundation during her high school days. Your views are exactly what i always hammer on here. There are smart people even in the least expected places.

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In fact, this has been my view on NL ever since. Those who attend(ed) state universities are not necessarily average students. Most of them could either not bribe their ways into the so called BIG 9ja unis or are/were made to go to state unis based on numerous other reasons.

In fact, someone just informed me that she even made a 2.1 at IMSU but graduated as overall best at the law school. I don't know if this is true but i will contact her personally to verify that.

It's really not about UNILAG, UI or OAU, she also surpassed graduates of other prestigious universities in the world who also attended law school with her. I am sure there might be Harvard, Cambridge and Princeton graduates at the Nigerian law school this year.

She is one of the smartest women on earth One fascinating thing about her is that she is very young and beautiful, yet she wasn't overwhelmed.

I am very glad to identify with her and as a proud Imo star, all i can say is nothing is impossible.

That's very great of you. Another star shinning

female Imo State University Law graduate, Miss Theodora Elendu who recently bagged a First Class Honours Degree in the Lagos campus of the Nigeria Law School, added additional feather to her cap when she emerged the best student in four categories of awards at the call to bar ceremony of graduates of the Nigerian Law School last Tuesday at Abuja.
Miss Elendu who hails from Okwelle in Onuimo Local Government Area of Imo State in addition to making the prestigious First Class Honours Degree emerged the best graduant in Civil and Criminal litigation, the best female graduant in civil litigation as well as the best overall female graduant of the year.
Speaking exclusively to our Editorial Board Chairman, Miss Theodora Elendu, who is a practicing Christian, thanked God for her success in obtaining First Class at the Law School as well as the four additional prizes awarded to her as the best graduating student in four different areas.
She also thanked her lecturers at the Imo State University and the Nigerian Law School, Lagos campus under whose tutelage she was able to prepare herself for the successful academic pursuit.
The young lady, who attended Anglican Girls Grammer School, Surulere, Lagos before proceeding to the Imo State University for her Law degree also extolled her fellow students at the Imo State University and Nigerian Law School with whom she shared academic opinions along the line.
Theodora Elendu, who is currently undergoing the National Youths Service Corp programme in one of the Western States, also thanked her parents for the support given her in her academic pursuit.
On her future plans, the unassuming young lady stated that before she finishes her youth service programme, she will be in a position to determine her future undertakings.

http://www.announcerexpressonline.com/?p=3973

T22

How levels

Whats up with the Total parole, abi u don change ur mind

[s]I was thinking you should be done with your programme by now[/s]

Abeg hit ur guys if any good thing comes up, both home and away. Men dey street now, all eyes widely open

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Your thinking is skewed. So because the govt wants to relocate the institution means that the property has to be abandoned? Won't that site be useful for other projects, like moving the state owned polytechnic there?

First, i don't like commenting on NL politics sector discussions because of its ethnic oriented, insult prone dimensions.

However, i must commend Jarus and Kobojunkies' viewpoint on this issue.

I am an ardent critic of Sanusi's policies, both offline and online. This is not because of his ethnicity, religion or any other mundane attachments. I am not just comfortable with most of his approaches to national issues knowing fully well how volatile such issues are.

There is no rationale to donate N100m to victims of kano bomb attack alone, especially when there has been such victims in the last few months. Any body who believes in the one Nigerian concept should do well to discourage such unfortunate events, especially when it is coming from an institution that represents our national unity.

This is not the first time SLS is making such pathetic miscalculations. During the tensed periods of the Boko haram insurgency and the violence that followed last elections, he declared the Islamic banking initiative. Even though the islamic banking idea may favour all Nigerians but i think the timing and approach was ill-conceived.

Sanusi seems to rely so much on impulse rather than reason in handling national issues and this, i so much eschew.

Okija JUJU

where the hell did you get the picture tagged ''Imsu lecture hall? Who told you that is IMSU?  Sometimes i dont like acting up but i hate it when people i regard pathetically tell lies to will arguments.

That picture is fake and does not in any way resemble Imsu. That picture looks like a Jamb or waec exam. Even an intellectually weak person will discern that the pictures you posted are fake and mysterious.

And just to add, not everybody is supposed to get a university education. This is the reason why today, we have Nigerians using every trick in the book to gain admission into school. Thats why I suggested that a World-class vocational institute be set-up as well. Look at the government amnesty programme. Most of the "repentant-militants" were being sent to vocational schools outside Nigeria to acquire skills. No university teaches you tailoring or carpentery. Thats the job of a vocational institute. Now I would suggest that this should be the alternative for those kids who cant make it into the univeristy. An institute that would be able to award a respectable diploma to its graduates.

My friend keep this thrash off your mind. Everybody is supposed to be given the opportunity to be educated, even up to the university level. There is nothing wrong in every body getting university education. So, don't paint it as if there is something wrong in getting a larger part of the society getting educated up to the university level.

If you actually read what was posted, it says the student MUST be currently studying in Imo state owned institution. What does this tell you? The money will ultimately flow back to the state at the end of the day. It's not as if the state is spending Imo state's money in Japan or Lagos. This is Imo money spent in Imo through an Imo state owned institution. the chain is like this;

Imo state govt money (100 000 * 10,000 students) → Govt owned institution, then → back to the state in form of revenue.

The govt is spending the money on it's people and that is what governance is all about. Rochas has spent only one yr in office and yet, we are witnessing these commendable initiatives.

I will implore that you try to be objective in your viewpoints, not this pull-him-down mentality.

Okija JUJU

where the hell did you get the picture tagged ''Imsu lecture hall? Who told you that is IMSU? Sometimes i dont like acting up but i hate it when people i regard pathetically tell lies to will arguments.

That picture is fake and does not in any way resemble Imsu. That picture looks like a Jamb or waec exam. Even an intellectually weak person will discern that the pictures you posted are fake and mysterious.

Okija Juju

Your hypocrisy has gone beyond redemption. You must be convulsive whenever and where ever the name Rochas is being mentioned. How exactly would you hide in the cover of your home and assume those things you enumerated are not currently being done by the governor? Are you smarter than Rochas? How do you think a state can develop ''world class'' institutions without first of all put the fundamentals in place?

The whole idea of education resolves around the learner and the first thing is to ensure that the learner has a better frame of mind to undertake academic pursuit. This the gov has done by ensuring that students, irrespective of their family background, will have enough fund to finance their studies. This is done every where in the world. It is not under the exclusivity of the Imo state government. Most of the educational models being currently articulated by Rochas are derived from those advanced societies you are making reference to. Do you think governance is magic? You just say something and it happens?

Currently, there is massive upgrading of the facilities at Imo State University. When last did you visit owerri or any part of Imo state?

Let me be the first to congratulate IFE @ 50

Ife is one of the institutions i respect in 9ja.

All hail the greatest of the greatest IFE

The harsh reality is that most of these mushroom languages (dialects) will NOT develop further than this! the much they can do is to go into extinction. They will ultimately be suppressed by widely spoken languages. How many people even speak these dialects? The number of people who speak a particular language goes a long way in determining how far the language goes.

Take the Chinese language for instance, despite being somehow awkward, many people still want to learn it. About 12% of world population speak the Chinese language. Same cannot be said of most ''languages'' in Africa and Nigeria in particular.

T22

You are not alone on that! It happens to even more advanced learners of the English language. With time, practice and much reading i am sure you will overcome that, including myself.

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Well, i don't think it's mockery. When you use unfamiliar words it's either that people won't understand you, misunderstand you or they may just feel you are ''showing off''. I think your boss was just trying to indirectly tell you that you do not have the monopoly of ''big'' words.

There is really nothing wrong in using high sounding words, except making pronunciation errors. The most important thing when using such words is to define your audience. An English professor speaking to undergraduate student gathering would have to tailor his words according to the characteristics of his audience. However, not everyone knows how to do this effectively. A case in hand is that of Hon. Patrick Obahiagbon, a man who obviously does not know the purpose of language.

Also, if you listen to Obama and Hillary Clinton you would observe that their language is free from high sounding words, both in speaking and in writing. I read Obama's Audacity of Hope and Dreams from my Father, they are excellent books written in clear and understandable English grammar. Just realise that the purpose of communication is to inform. So, every effort must be geared towards ensuring that your diction is carefully chosen.

In my case, i realized my shortcomings early and tried to do something about it. I schooled in the village where English language was barely spoken, including English teachers. On getting to lagos i was amazed at the degree of my deficiency in the language, despite being a village champion. I took my destiny into my own hands and worked towards improving on my language skills. The result was that all the people i taught English language in my compound then aced their GCE and Waec exams; Bs and Cs.

I am still learning, especially in the area of pronunciation, clarity and writing.

I think the best way to master the English language is to read well written materials, not necessarily English textbooks but materials that can enhance your understanding of the language. I may recommend listening to the BBC, reading journals etc. When i finished from the secondary school i started reading the Economist. I would go to Mile 2 in Lagos to buy old publications by the economists, the financial times etc. There are many of them at mile 2 and oshodi. Just 20-50 naira you will have them. May be that will be good for a start.

In terms of speaking, there is no sure way than to practice. I speak much better than i write. Infact, my writing sucks. But what i missed in writing i got in speaking. One of the ways i developed my speaking skills was during my short teaching career. I taught at few tutorial centres in lagos prior to gaining admission into the university and when i got to the university i started organising tutorials for my coursemates and juniors. It was a fantastic experience because i was always speaking to people thereby developing my language and public speaking skills.

I also dived into student unionism and was always shouting greatest titi!!! All these gave me confidence and i was always working to improve on my speaking skills to avoid embarrassment. I count my words before i use them to avoid unpardonable grammatical errors.

In summary, the best way to improve on your speaking skills in to practice. Nairaland is also a good place to visit. There are very many intelligent people on nairaland who write very well. Reading their post will be of immense help.

I deliberately didn't want to add Nigerian newspapers to the list. I have been disappointed severally by our news agencies.

Another thing to avoid when speaking is the use of high sounding words. Being grandiloquent does not posit you as an intelligent person, especially when speaking to people below your level or whom you know very little about their backgrounds. People often make the mistake of assuming that the more unfamiliar words one uses the more intelligent one appears. That is very wrong assumption. Always use simple and understandable language and do not speak to impress rather than inform. However, do not sacrifice accuracy in the alter of simplicity.  I am not saying you shouldn't be familiar with ''big'' words. i am only saying you should be cautious in their usage.

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I never reach to mentor any body o I still dey hustle

But i have sent u a request on fb as a friend. At least we can rob minds na

sukzez:
I lik HRM

Ok, then my suggestion would be;

B.ed (Management 2.1) + Teaching Experience + MBA (HRM) + CIPM = Good Human Resources (HR) job

But know that no qualification guarantees you a good job. Getting a good job depends on luck (5%), connection (50%), personal strategy (10%), intelligence (20%), qualification and grade (10%), school you graduated (1%) and others (4%).

Luck - not all of us are lucky. Most people try several times before they succeed.So 5 % is a rational point

Connection- it can come from various sources; family, friends, old school mates, acquaintances, school etc. In fact, one of the reasons people attend Ivy League colleges is because of connection.

Personal strategy - just like what you are about doing. Some people go on to study up to PhD as their own strategy of breaking the unemployment yoke. others take various professional qualifications etc.

Intelligence - this can truly land you a good job. Employers prefer intelligent employees. But there are very few jobs to absorb all of them. So only very few of them succeed in getting a good job at the long run. There are lots of smart people nowadays, even your next door neighbour.

Qualification and Grade - this also means a lot. Having few qualifications and good grades means you are trainable and disciplined. It takes discipline to earn extra qualification and employers want trainable and disciplined workforce.

Schools one graduated - no doubt mere mention of some schools will give you a lot of opportunities for employment. An OAU graduate is most likely to get a job faster than his counterparts from other less known schools. A Unilag graduate needs no further introduction. However, there are limits ones school can take one. It can only get you to the door, other things depend on you from there.

Others - the interviewer may just like you. Dressing, carriage, appearance etc all play their roles.

I have seen very smart guys without jobs. In fact, there was this guy that was taking my course-mates tutorial classes when i was in school. He graduated as the best (2.1 though) in his department at UNN. He studied mathematics and statistics. I don't know where he is now but he sat at home for 3 yrs without any job except the tutorials he conducted. One of the few guys i respected in my class then is yet to get a job even up till now. He teaches in one secondary school at Ijebu-Ode, Ogun state.

I am not trying to scare you but that is the reality. There are very few good jobs out there. So, you have to leverage on any of the items above to be able to get a good job. The emphasis here is good job, not just job. There are jobs, but there are very few high paying jobs nowadays.

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Whats your career interest? Finance or HRM?

There is nothing wrong with your foundation, and do not go about feeling that you did not study the right course at the university. What you have is adequate to get a good job. The problem is that there are no jobs.

I would suggest you try HRM (Human Resource Mgt). With a degree in education, teaching experience and maybe MBA (HRM)+ Human resource professional qualification you are good to go.

If you don't want to continue in the teaching/education sector then go for MBA+professional qualification like ICAN, CFA, CIS etc

Just as i said during the Edu/Accounting debate, there is no difference between Chemistry and Edu/Chemistry. Infact, Educ/Chemistry is far better than Chemistry; double honour and single honour.

So, an edu/chemistry grad can do whatever a chemistry grad can do or even more.