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Real Scam Scam!!! Scam!!! |
^^^^ Exactly. Just surprised at the level of determination shown by you to demonstrate that the stat was cooked up. However, what recent event(s) do we have now to support your claim that the stat was unrealistic? Though, i share your sentiment on this issue |
Kobojunkie why u wan resurrect this thread na ![]() |
All this talk about it's harder to make a first class in my school is rather unfortunate. First class in any institution requires a certain level of hard work and determination. |
oyb:My point is, not everybody who attends state uni is dumb or unable to gain admission into the federal uni.Also, not everybody who attends a federal uni is smart. If that is the case, making generalisation on this issue will be defeatist.In addition, I can only describe the 9ja fed unis as being our own ivy league unis based on the quality of their research output, graduate employ-ability, inventions, contribution to community service etc. These are qualities ivy league unis are known for and not this dilly-willy fed universities. A third class graduate of an ivy league uni is capable of doing what a first class or even lecturers of most fed unis can only dream of. Unfortunately, Nigerian universities in general have no record of what their students do after graduation. That would have, to an extent, given a tip of the relative level of smartness amongst each category. Therefore, it will be hard to determine who among federal and state uni grads is smart. After all, both graduates of the two unis struggle in the same labour market, get similar type of job and are also affected by unemployment. Unlike in the US, where the Ivy league unis dominate certain industries and occupation. I would send my child to a federal uni, not because it's better, but because it is relatively cheaper. |
meonbooty:What exactly do you want to gain by typing this, attention?? oyb:I am sure you didn't just type this, cos if someone like you would make such adulterated statement then something must be wrong somewhere. The fact remains, any body who worked very hard in the university is most likely to graduate with the grade he/she deserves- except with minor variations. Both federal and state uni graduates undergo the same or similar selection process, unlike the private uni which is an all comers affair. So, stating that those who went to federal unis (by the reason of their connection or ability) are smarter is really very unfortunate. People make university choices based on so many factors-proximity to home, parental and peer influence, ethnicity, course of study etc. So, if we may go by your reasoning, the practice and principle of catchment areas by federal unis means that majority of their students are dumb and thereby rely on catchment to gain admission. A case where someone from Osun state will go to Ife, Ilorin- unilorin, Oyo-UI etc I think one of the reasons why most state universities tend to produce very low number of first class is lack of motivation, both from the lecturers, environment and maybe their fellow students. An average federal uni will have top people in politics and business visiting once in a while to give talks and thereby motivate students. These are some of the things that state uni students are lacking. Given the same condition, state universities will do as well as federal unis. |
Very insightful, tanimola22 Actually, maths is one of the best subjects any body can do in school. Some people say it's the easiest Just as tanimola22 noted, it will be of high value if you could combine your knowledge of maths with courses like accounting, economics, computer sci or maybe finance. In this way you will be able to apply your knowledge of maths in solving everyday practical problems. Being in 200 level i will suggest, if you have the resources and interest, that you develop some programing or accounting skills. Leveraging on your maths skills you will do well in any of these fields. Yours sincerely has never been a maths person (even though i studied economics at undergrad),maybe due to the nature of teachers i met during my pry and secondary school days. The much i can get in maths is a B, but not below a C. Calculus has come to be my favourite, maybe because i spent most of my time studying it during my undergrad econs courses. I am currently doing a postgrad in a different field. However, i am still working hard to improve on my maths skills before i commence my masters in econs later in my career. I wish i did more maths courses during my school days cos it actually affected my grade and performance during my university day. Even during job hunt, my average knowledge of general maths actually affected me to an extent. I could remember my first aptitude test at KPMG. I thought i would do very well at the test surprisingly, the maths aspect brought my marks down. In a nutshell, maths is a very good course to study. Give it your best and you won't regret it. Just as tanimola22 noted, you can choose to work as a financial analyst, an actuary, programmer or even an economist. The opportunities are endless. Also, good grades matter these days. especially now that the labour market is experiencing a kind of glut. The least that is expected of you now is a 2.1. Don't join the group that will blame their lecturers or institution for their inability to graduate with a top grade or claim that those who made good grades bribed or slept with their lecturers. Use your resources and opportunities to your own advantage and do not blame any one later. |
Well, it's really a tough decision to make but considering that age is not on your side (30+) i would suggest you go for the job. Just as tanimola22 said, you can always do the Ph.D. but getting a top job these days seems to be very challenging. |
Okija_juju You sef get muscle ![]() What is important is that you have made your point. Whatever any other person thinks of you is inconsequential. If i am earning 500k a month as an entry level pay what the hell am i going to a godforsaken country to do ![]() I always tell my pals that i will soon jump into the next flight home, and they ask, what are you coming home to do? My answer, to make money of course My broda, live your life the way you consider convenient!!! |
Odunnu:Yes, am not in the country right now. And my concern is her traveling to Jigawa for the redeployment stuff. I have checked online there seem not to be any direct flight to the state. |
Odunnu:Not really. |
I am as confused as the FG now! My wife has just been posted to JIGAWA state!!! I don't know what to do. Just confused |
Olalekan 0:Well, if it doesnt to you it may make lots of sense to others in similar situation. I found his story very inspiring coogar:I think he has a masters degree too. He once said something like that. |
violent I couldn't have said it better. Most of our problems stem from Inferiority complex. abioila:Most of us faced similar or greater problems during our undergrad. Put yourself together and make good use of your opportunities. Violet has just corroborated my initial comment. |
tanimola22 You were never misunderstood. I was only trying to make a few clarifications to enable @op make a more informed decision. I am not a graduate of any of the universities mentioned. You and i also arrived at the same conclusion, which is to study finance in Unilag. |
tanimola22:Why it may be true that a Harvard graduate may have an edge in being nominated for the post of a minister of finance it is not completely the case in Nigeria.It may be the case in Europe or Us, but not necessarily the case in Nigeria. To become a minister in Nigeria requires more than attending an elite university. Your ethnicity, social contact, political affiliation, luck, bribery and so many other factors determine your being nominated for such positions. In the current Nigerian political terrain, aside a few individuals, others never attended elite universities. People like Sanusi of the CBN never went to an elite institution. But his contacts, personality, brilliance and maybe ethnicity saw him through. I am not advocating that you shouldn't go to an elite institution. Try your best to attend one if you have the means, but if you don't, your future is not ruined in any way. Also, if your main intention of going to Unilag is to enable ''top'' recruiters to employ you after graduation then your intention is a misplaced one. Again, getting a good job, especially in Nigeria, requires more than going to Unilag or any other institution. Your contact, luck and God plays an important role. Nigeria has not yet advanced to the elitist status of the UK and Us where the university one attends tend to affect or influence ones career prospects. Also, if you are so confident that you would graduate with a first class, together with your Ican, I am sure securing a good job would be least of your problems. The first class on its own will open lots of opportunities. Let me quickly add that Lasu is not a bad school and Unilag is not a miracle centre either. The university is what you make of it. Use your time and resources at the university to your advantage. A Unilag grad has no noticeable edge over a Lasu grad, except maybe in their wide array of alumni network. So, if what you want is the glamour of being a Unilag grad then go for it. But if what you want is knowledge then any Nigerian University can suffice. What you need do is to develop yourself while in the university. Take a few professional programs alongside your degree program. Economics and Finance complement each other. None is better than the other.Finance is an offshoot of mainstream Economics and therefore, provide opportunities for those who want to specialise. Having a finance degree, as pointed out already, does not restrict you from becoming an economist. What you need is a postgrad degree in Economics, maybe up to the Ph.D level. Economics truly gives a certain level of versatility at the undergrad level. A finance graduate may not be comfortable working with advanced mathematical models at the graduate level, while an economics grad can comfortably or averagely handle that. This is because undergraduate econs students take courses in mathematical economics twice or so in the course of their program. This cannot be said of a finance grad. Yes, macro and Micro are the major components of an undergraduate econs program, but your ability to understand and apply the knowledge gained from such courses will require a good knowledge of Mathematics. That is why Engineering, maths, stat and physics graduates do very well at graduate level Econs programs, even better than those who read econs. So, it may be a difficult journey moving from finance to econs, but not an impossible one. It all depends on your abilities. In summary and without disregard to any institution, i will suggest or advise you go for the Finance program in Unilag since you are already an Ican student. The finance program will give you a better career blend than Econs. But while taking your finance courses try and take some courses in mathematical economics. I am sure Unilag may provide such flexibility. |
Do you still believe in university ranking, especially in Africa? |
OvieE:Do you still believe you university ranking, especially in Africa? |
^^^ How much is Ghanaian GDP? You mean Nigerian students are contributing about 1-2% of their GDP? Even S.Africa won't make much claims |
angelo234:Did you say you are a student of which university ![]() This is the main reason i don't believe in university ranking. So, your school ranked better than OAU? I doubt if any Nigerian student/graduate can write this nonsense. @topic This is the biggest lie of the century. I have been trying to figure this out to no avail. The figure is cooked as usual. However, this is an urgent call to revisit our school system. Sooner than later the story may become true. |
@Okija_juju A fair analysis if you ask me. However, even as laudable as your ideas appear to be you also failed to consider the cost implication of such initiatives. Remember, university education is not the only concern of the govt. The pry schools, sec, technical and myriads of other issues which demand financial attention confront the govt. How your recommendations will be funded remains another issue of concern. Also, standardising the educational system of the state is only but a process-a process which requires continous investments and policy review. The process has just begun and if sustained will bring about the desired results. All what we are saying here are based on speculations, nobody knows for sure the govt's next line of action. Even though i may agree that the benefits of sending 60 students abroad will be limited and to the beneficiaries.One shouldn't also lose sight of the multiplier effects of such policy move.If not for the huge corruption in the system what is the big deal sending 60 students abroad for exchange program? Even kids in private nursery and primary schools do that these days. I must add that our ultimate concern is to see things improve in our individual states and country in general, nobody is here to make enemies. It is most likely that we disagree in most issues, especially those involving sentiments and emotions. This argument has only made us see things differently. |
Imo State Governor, Owelle Rochas Anayo Okorocha, has commenced the payment of monthly stipend to primary and secondary schools students. The payment takes off simultaneously in each of the 27 local government areas today November 1, 2011). While primary school pupils receive N100, their secondary school counterparts will get N120. Also, primary school monitors will get N120, while prefects in the secondary schools will receive N150. Addressing Journalists shortly after a meeting with Governor Okorocha, top government officials and stakeholders in the education sector in the state, the Special Adviser to the Governor on Education, Prof. Fabian Osuji disclosed that committees had been set up in the 27 LGAs to visit all the schools for the purpose of making the payment. Prof. Osuji added that the fund had been released for the October stipend, adding that the governor, his Deputy, Jude Agbaso and other top government officials would equally participate in the exercise to give pupils/students the sense of belonging they deserved from the government. The special adviser stated that government would also kick start the policy implementation on education with the construction of 305 European standard schools in each electoral wards in the 27 local government areas of the state, adding that each of the schools would be centrally sited. He also disclosed that a committee had been set up by government to ascertain the actual data of students enrolled in the already existing schools in the state, as well as infrastructural facilities. The governor’s aides further stated that a joint committee of SEMB, SUBEB and NUT would be chaired by a top government official appointed by the governor. including the transition committee chairmen and Directors of Administration and General Services will be saddled with the responsibility of implementing the free education policy in the LGAs. Prof. Osuji also disclosed that the committee is further charged with responsibilities of awarding construction contracts, payment of stipends and supervision of the school fencing project. He however stated that teachers in the state would be promptly paid to cope with the challenges of implementing the new state policy on Education. http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/nov/01/national-01-11-2011-0012.html |
Kobojunkie:Maybe you forgot we live in a part of the world where access to such private sector funds is limited or nonexistent. In such situation what do you suggest the govt does, fold arms and watch? I don't think so either. Unfortunately, most people opposing this laudable idea are those who may have studied abroad where private sector led initiatives in the education sector is prevalent. Most Nigerian universities don't even have endowments and only depend on the govt for their operations. This is, however, not the case abroad where a bank can fund/sponsor research, teaching and learning initiatives in schools. |
[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=792726.msg9457544#msg9457544 date=1320144293]Now Let me start with you because you come across as someone who can be reasonable in a debate; 1. Sir! If you go back to that long post which I made earlier, you would notice the portion where i stated "It would have been better if he had sent those 60 students abroad to complete/finish their education, rather than a 6month all expense paid vacation". It would be more profitable for a student to go abroad, learn the skills properly and then come back home and serve for 4 to 5 years mandatory in the Imo State civil service rather than this "exchange program" which has very minimal advantages to the state. I hope you understand. If Imo State says every year, we would send 50 students, from all the local governments in the state abroad on merit to study abroad with a 6 year post-graduate pay-back scheme were they must work for the Imo State govt for a while then I can see some real developmental system in place, but an exchange program really is just a waste of state funds and does not improve Imo State University system in any way. Instead, a Lecturer exchange program would serve to benefit a wider student base than a student exchange program (I hope you understand!). Bring in Expart lecturers from the West to teach here for 1 year and send ours over there to learn more for 1 year, now thats a laudable scheme with long term bebefits that would cut across a wider audience. Sir!! Open your ears and stop being pig-headed; The quote above is your initial statement, now let me re-construct your grammer; "I'm sure you are not from Imo State, if so, your opinion does not count in this regard. You cant make a definite statement, and then negate it in the following sentence. "If not" will be like saying "if indeed (you are wrong and) I am from Imo State, then my opinion does not count" This is what you should have been taught in Junior secondary school. Please dont let us turn this thread into a classroom. Take corrections and lets move to address the issue at hand.[/quote]Just as you said, lets concentrate on the issue at hand because taking this further will expose many grammatical/spelling errors in your comment above. I am also sure that spelling is something that should have been taught at the primary school level.For maturity sake i will leave that for the next day. I have repeatedly pointed out that this money could have been spent on various programs which is capable of adding value to the lives of the people of the state. Your opinion above could have been one of such projects/programs. Hence the gov, in his wisdom, chose to do this first, and also taking into cognizance his various people oriented programs, i think the idea of sending 60 imo students abroad for internship/exchange program is not misplaced. I have also stated that the exchange program, at the long run, will give the beneficiaries a sort of competitive edge in the already saturated labour market. Having a one year exchange program abroad is not all about having a vacation or looking at the bouts of oyinbos as you would want us believe. It involves cross-cultural interaction, exposure to modern way of doing things and intellectual awakening.This will remain an integral part of this student's quest for learning and development. Also, every government has a range of programs and activities to be accomplished within a specified period of time. The sequence of the program implementation process may not necessarily be as you wish or want it to be. This is the first phase i think. If you read the governor's manifesto you will notice that the idea of exchange program/internship is one of the items on the list. |
PointB:we share the same opinion on this issue. Maybe you have not read my comments here. |
[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=792726.msg9457053#msg9457053 date=1320139417]Erm!! Sir! Point of correction, Grammatically, it should be "If not", and not "If yes". And secondly, how can you make a "definite" statement, and then in the following sentence question your statement?! (Just highlighting some problem areas that Okorocha may want to look into) Now that said, Last time I checked, Nairaland was not an Imo State Forum, neither is the owner of the site (Seun) from Imo State, nor is their any rule anywhere that limits comments on topics/threads to be strictly by indigenes or persons directly affected by the posts. This is a Public forum, if you Imo State folks dont want our input, then I suggest you dont put your shi't on a public forum. Emphasis on "YOUR SHI'T" and "PUBLIC FORUM". Now sir, I hope you understand this fact. You have a good day.[/quote]Keep quiet. It is supposed to be[i] if not[/i] indeed! Did you consider the initial statement[i] I am sure you are not from Imo state[/i]? How then do you expect me to add NOT? The yes is just a confirmation of my initial statement. Grammatically bullshit |
[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=792726.msg9456867#msg9456867 date=1320137272]First of all, it wasnt an advice I gave it was my opinion on an issue that I simply aired. Secondly, this is a forum and the whole idea of it is for people of diverse opinion to air their views, debate and disagree to agree. Finally, for someone who just asked me to keep my Well!! I shouldnt be surprised, if you were any smarter, you would have been one of the 60 kids going to America. Typical product of Imo State upbringing.[/quote]I am sure you are not from Imo. If yes, then your ''opinion'' does not count in this regard Thank you |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=792726.msg9456533#msg9456533 date=1320133181]I'm talking about tuition for university. Unless you are saying that one cannot find 2000 Imo high schoolers who will benefit from having a $300 scholarship (again, towards university expenses) next year.[/quote]Of course there are. As i said, there are many ways in which this money would have been spent. It all depends on the program outline of the govt. Who knows if the next item on the list is the scholarship program. If only every Nigerian leader can at least invest very little in the development of our people then the journey to economic development will be a little faster. Just imagine this 60 students stating in their CVs after graduation that they had 6 months internship/exchange program in the US? This will definitely give them a competitive edge among their mates during job hunt or even securing scholarships for further students in the future |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=792726.msg9456488#msg9456488 date=1320132527]What of option #3? $300 tuition scholarship for 2000 Imo State high school students? Which do you think is better for the state?[/quote]Maybe you are not following events in Imo state. There is free and compulsory education in Imo state from primary- secondary with meal tickets. Also, tuition fee for students of Imsu have been reduced by about 80% from 150,000 naira to about 30-50k Every Imo student is entitled to a N100 meat ticket per day so long as he/she is not absent from school What else can we ask of? Imo state also has scholarship and bursary packages. There is also a proposed new university in Imo state and complete upgrading of the existing Imo state University. Of course, there are so many ways to spend the money but i am sure the gov did his homework well b4 coming up with this program. What we should be talking about now is the sustainability. |
DrummaBoy:Do you maths well. 60 * 10,000 USD = 600,000 USD 600,000 USD * N150 = N90, 000 000 What's the big deal spending 90m to give 60 imo citizens a new perspective to life? Ohakim, the former gov, spent double of this amount to send his friends and relatives to world cup games in south Africa. He also sponsored another group to watch manchester UTD premiership game in UK. Which of the two is better? Sending 60 students on exchange program in the US or sending his cronies to UK to watch premiership? |
desertboom:Who are you even trying to convince if i may ask? For what purpose even? So that she may believe you? And if she does or doesn't, will that influence the decision of the governor to send 60 imo citizens to the US, a feat which their parents could not afford? Do you know how much the former governor spent sending his relatives to Malaysia to study? Whether feasible, wise or unwise, so long as it is something that will benefit a citizen of Imo state, rather than the bizarre that is ongoing in other states, i am completely in for it. Nairaland opinion doesn't change nothing. Talking of you being in 400l bla bla bla. Is making silly comments on nairaland a way to measure someone's intellectual abilities? If she answers in the affirmative then she is not different from the products of Nigerian education system which she wants to denigrate. |
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