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coogar:
if 85% of indian graduates are unemployable usin the indian employers' yardstick then 99.999% of nigerian graduates should not even apply for jobs.
if you take the annoying accents of indians out of the equation, they know their stuffs. they are utterly brilliant. they are hard-working, dedicated, serious minded and they don't always take the short-cut routes readily like most nigerians.

utter shock!
a man that could analyse all the working mechanisms of a computer theoretically couldn't operate a computer.
that's the horror movie with nigerian graduates but they will beat their chests here claiming king-kong on most of the things they have never seen.


denied an admission into eastern school? now, why would i wanna graduate from such schools where violence is the first course students read?

of course, i know you won't be proud to tell us the shyte that goes down in those schools.
come on. . . .be a man. . . . .you want to say you never heard of cult wars in your school? lecturers harassed/intimidated? female students sleeping around to cop high grades?

it's an open secret!
the fact that you deny it here does not make my facts untrue.

Cultism and the likes, are not peculiar to eastern universities,  they seem to be the norm among Nigerian universities. Isolating and denigrating eastern universities it's what i find ridiculous. During my undergraduate days in Nigeria, even though those things were there, they did not by any means affect my activities as a student.

coogar:
mostly all the eastern schools are corrupt. . . . .
who's going to connect who to a big job? the number of interviews you would do will expose you if you are half-baked.
this is not only about what you came out with. . . . .it's about what you can do on the spot. . . . .

Seriously, were you denied admission into any eastern school?Casting aspersion on all eastern universities just because you were denied admission is not the right thing to do. I studied in an eastern Nigerian university, but i can confidently say that the picture you are trying to paint is far from reality. The last time i checked Futo and UNN are still eastern universities.

Get your facts right before going public with them.

coogar:
you have probably never heard of the rubbish happening in eastern schools.
any simpleton can come out with any grade - it depends on money, occultic associations or sleeping around.

there's no connection in the country i reside.
top grade students are identified even before they graduate by these employers holding seminars every session.
there's a graduate scheme too and they are promptly eased into the job market without stress. . . . there's a working system in place.

unlike nigeria. . . . .it's a jungle of dog eat dog.
a chaotic state.
a haven of crooks, touts and no do gooders.

Complete BS. How many eastern schools have you been to? You seem to have lost touch with reality. For you to have said there is ''no connection'' in the country you reside goes a long way to expose your naivete. Maybe you reside in heaven, where everything happens by words of mouth.

coogar:
i will.
these naija based boys get on my nerves with their inability to admit they operate in a fraudulent system.

university girls sleep with as many lecturers as possible to make first class and people worship their certificates and these same girls cannot solve a simple arithmetic problem or construct simple sentences in english.

you begin to wonder at the disconnect between the grades achieved and the personality standing before you.
abeg, nigeria is not the place where people should be doing chest-beating. . . .the crooked ones have queered the pitch for the brilliant ones.

Stop living on hearsay. Inasmuch as i would accept that people sleep with lecturers to make a 3rd, 2-2 or maybe 2.1 on rare occasions, i will find it difficult to believe that someone would sleep with lecturers to make a 1st class degree in any Nigerian university. Making a first class requires more than just a few As in a semesters. It demands consistent effort right from the first day of uni to the last day.

coogar:
3rd class is better than 1st class in nigeria.
it depends on which school and which godfather you know.
you wanna tell me all those eastern schools and niger-delta where cultism is a religion and cultists force lecturers to drugs their grades actually produce brilliant students?

Don't go there. That will drag us to another thing.

So, what's the conclusion? 2-2s are better than 2.1 and 1st class right?

We are over stretching this issue without arriving at any convincing conclusion. We seem to base our judgement on individual biases and disposition.

The fact is, a good 2.2 grad if given the right condition and training can still perform and function at the level of the 1st class and 2.1 grads.

If i own a company, I wouldn't hesitate to employ any 2.2 grad who can prove himself. performance in a job goes beyond one's class of degree. The degree only goes to prove that you are trainable and disciplined.

Graduating with a 1st class or 2.1 does not suggest you have the right attitude to do the job well. Attitude means a lot at the workplace, unfortunately, these are neither taught nor learned in the Nigerian universities.

However, concluding that 2.2s are better than 1st class or 2.1 is rather myopic. A few evidence of where 2.2 grads have demostrated high levels of performance is not adequate to conclude that they are better.

For the records, experience has shown that majority of the 1st class and 2.1 grads perform up to expectation, albeit minor variations.

I would therefore say that, whatever grade one graduated with is not the end of the road. Continuous improvement and development is necessary in order to remain competitive and relevant.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=754330.msg9109852#msg9109852 date=1315532636]Talking about foreign grads. . . . [/quote]I think that was an oversight

debosky:
Uni of Ouagadougou grad like me sef na foreign grad?

Even the name sef make me fear o (((( ))))

woetooam4j:
Long Live Foreign grads


The future of Nigeria depends on the zeal and determination of her Foreign grads

Okonjo Iweala, Aganaga, Madueke, et al.


WE ROCK!

Are you okay

Godalone:
UNIJOS graduate ! This is terrible !

Where is the reply button

This same guy said a 2.1 grad from Unad is not comparable to a 2.1 grad from Unidust Unijos

what a waste. I didn't want to comment on this thread before, but he forced me to do so.

let him provide logical evidence to support his claims rather than disparage the grads of other universities.

For sure, what you become in life is not dependent on the class of degree or University you attended. University or class of degree will only bring you to the door the rest depends on your personal characteristics and ingenuity.

For him to have made such unpardonable grammatical blunder leaves much to be desired.

Where is the exit door

sheyguy:
Hello NLders, i am thinking of going for professional masters instead conventional Academic masters which enable you go 4 PHD. I need your opinion on the two options as i know very little about what their differences and advantages are. please advise me based on their prospect for job opportunities and Career fulfillment. Pls i need your guys to guide me or better yet give me tips about them(Professional masters and Academic masters).

Which course and where do you want to work thereafter?

uche13:
@chamber 2

Thank you so much for your invaluable counsel. I would inquire further on the unilag pgd/masters programme. I do not do badly in calculations at all and always wanted to do acca right from when i was in uni. However, the bsc accounting thing just recently ignited my passion for acca. Sincerely, i love litigation a lot and therein lies my strongest passion and i can not really see myself as a corporate lawyer just that at times the thought of this 3rd class weighs me down badly. I have never been an average student from childhood till university and there is still a deep inner cry to still prove myself. Right now i want to change my job but the very few firms that pay higher than my present one are hard to enter and to be sincere i am scared about venturing out. I think i have to be courageous and trust that the God that led me thus far can still take me to the next level. THANKS ONCE AGAIN!

You have proved yourself already bro, both at the law school (3rd class to 2.1) and in your present job. If you have passion for ACCA then go for it. But aside ''proving yourself'' what other thing do you expect the ACCA to do for you hence you do not see yourself as a corporate lawyer or accountant? Making a distinction at the masters degree level is also another way of proving yourself. Just make your choice base on your passion and career objectives.

Please, do not allow this 3rd class thing make you feel inferior in anyway. So many 2.1 and 1st class out there are not any better.Believe in your God, follow your dream and hit the street running.Remember, whatever you do, you cannot throwaway your first degree.

You are studying Education/physics for the past 4 yrs and yet you don't know of a single topic in Physics or education which you can research on as your final year project?

Xtfield:
Fellow Nairalanders, I see a trend building up in Nigeria education sector. Most Nigerian private schools, even those who can hardly pay good salaries to first degree holders now advertise for PHD holders for wmploymwent as Principals. Do you really think possession of a PHB will make a man an effective Principal? If you own a school, which will you go for - A PHD holder or an experienced and dedicated man with a history of provable results?
Please share your views freely on this.

God forbid! I will never employ a PhD holder as a secondary school principal. What for? That is complete underemployment. Bsc is enough for such positions. What really does a principal do that will require a PhD? Na wah for 9ja o

uche13:
I want to be a lawyer and am planning on doing a masters in law in the nearest future. A s for now, i can not run a masters programe concurrently with my present job and as you have always advised, experience is still way better than getting a masters. Moreover, i have some friends who did their masters and came back to start the job search thing all over again. That is why i am considering doing acca since i can choose the number of courses i can take at a time and read on my own while attending lectures weekends.

BTW masters in law in unilag is full time and as i earlier stated, i work from 8am to 10pm.

So grateful for your reply. Thanks.

Bros, i don't think the bolded is true. Unless it's a recent development. Last year, i helped my big bros to register for unilag LLM part-time programme. In fact, he will be graduating by January 2012 or so. So try to investigate that properly. He is also a chartered accountant.

Taking ACCA as a lawyer is not a bad idea. Most lawyers do so. But, remember ACCA is quite a difficult exam to take. I don't know how conversant you are with calculations. In the case of my bros, he used to be a science student before he decided to study law. So, passing ICAN wasn't a big deal for him.

But, why don't you allow the past be? Even though i admire your pro-activeness, but if you could get your present job without reference to the class of your degree why do you think it will matter much later? After all, most organisations are looking for people with experience.

I will still suggest you get a PG and then LLM. As you move up the ladder, the class of your degree will not matter much. I read the story of AjanleKoko in one of the threads on how he got a job that was meant for only 2.1 and 1st. Bros, if you believe in yourself the class of your degree with not hinder you much.

Aren't you planning on opening your own chamber in the future?

Let me add that my big bros ICAN has done nothing for him so far. Absolutely nothing. He is still working with his first degree. He became chartered about 3 yrs ago. Now, he is doing LLM after spending money and time on ICAN.

I will support self employment any day. Being your own boss gives a lot of satisfaction.However, since your sponsor is likely not to buy into the idea of going to a fashion school and you do not have much savings to do it yourself, i will advise that you work for sometime, save and then pursue your goal.

Regarding the masters thingy.hmm. E get as e be o. Masters does not really open much doors as it used to be. But i will suggest you do it on part-time basis while still working or actively looking for another job. You may also try professional qualifications like ICAN, CIS, CFA, ACCA etc. They seem to be of more value nowadays than masters.

Also, With a degree in Economics, i wouldn't advise you to continue in that path. Economics is so generic, unless you want to continue at the PhD level and work as a lecturer thereafter. I will therefore advise you try something related to finance, or MBA in finance since you already have few years of work experience. You can also do something in supply chain, project management since you work with a logistics company.

My 2cent

Well, at 20 I wouldn't say you are too old to go to school. I wish i had the same kind of thinking which you have during my time. Owning a business before stating university education would be the best idea, hence you do not have a sponsor. Dropping out of school after two years means that you have wasted both your time, money and the possibility of having your own business at the time being. In this time of increasing unemployment, any right thinking human would prefer being an entrepreneur to spending money and time just to pick a piece of paper from one university.

Mind you, education is still very important for every individual. But then, you still have ample time to get educated at 20. So, whatever you do, try to get university education while operating your own business.

In a nutshell, i would advise you start your business ONLY if you have done your home work properly and convinced that the business has a high success rate. Business involves a lot of risk, and Nigeria business environment doubles the risk, with nonexistent infrastructure and increasing security threat. So, do your home work very well before you make a move.

oc2fish:
A friend of mine that is a lecturer in the University told me that out of 90 graduate they produce yearly in the field of FISHERIES MANAGEMENT
only 10 know the theory of fingerlings production and 6 can actually spawn fish. It may interest you to know that
Uneducated person can learn how to hatch in a day.

On the issue Nigerian graduate should be paid base on their productivity but let the minmuim be 30k

PL

That your friend has NO business being a lecturer at the first place. Isn't he ashamed of such comment?

BTW, how do you measure productivity objectively?

jamace:
I have said it before and I will repeat it here. Any politician who steals Nigeria money will be affected by an international disease, treatable only in an international hospital and by God's grace will be flown back dead by an international airline and in an international casket. Joyfully, such casket will be eaten by local termites and the corpse putrified by local magots and the manure therefrom used to nurture local plants. Nonsense.

nakedall:
no diff b/w naija graduate and elementary school graduate.

look at it: naija graduates cannot operate power plant even after 10 yrs working in the same power plant and elemenatry school graduate either, even the profs no no how.

Your case is complicated. What has operating a power plant got to do with the topic of discourse?

AjanleKoko:
Guys,
Let's not derail the thread pls.
Question is not about the quality of Nigerian graduates. We are debating graduate pay in Nigeria, and what a fair value should be. Factors are demand and supply.

Exactly. And yet most claim to be ''well baked'' graduates. Even to identify simple question was a problem.

Even a manual labourer deserves a pay, not to talk of a graduate, whether ''well baked'' or ''half baked.'' At least, every organisation has a standard recruitment process, and any body who secures a job through such process is deemed fit for the job and therefore, deserves to be paid.

why not try the big accounting firms? At least, if you pass their aptitude test and interviews after nysc then you will be retained.

ajirebi20:
I was talking about mental training. Most Nigerian graduates are just not there, actually all of them. It is a shame that Nigerian universities are allowed to admit students at all. most are not more than glorified middle-schools in the West. My HS nephew here has more common sense that all the Nigerian graduates I have seen so far. It is really pathetic the state of our education.


I will never hire ANYONE who graduates from a Nigerian school. Niger graduates are far more safer.


Again I am sorry to be so blunt. I am a sucker for truth.

The best thing is to ignore this slowpoke.

not really. i agree that the quality of nigerian graduates has greatly eroded but there are a few universities that churn out good candidates. i think when recruiting, companies should also look at the university that a person comes from. universities like unn, ui, abu, unilag still have some juice left in them. sorry to be bias but any hnd or graduate of a state university will have his qualifications questioned.

I don't want to derail this thread. But, seriously, can you stand most HND and State Uni Grads?

Even those criticising Nigerian trained graduates seem to be half baked too. Just a simple question they are all rambling.


The question remains, HOW MUCH SHOULD ENTRY LEVEL GRADUATES BE PAID IN NIGERIA? All these noise about the quality of Nigerian graduate is not necessary. In fact, apart from very few countries, which country can boast of producing highly qualified and employable graduates?

Even the poster stated that 85% of Indian graduates are NOT employable.What do you make of that?

Please concentrate on the topic and stop rattling.

Can you guys stop it with all this sir stuff  A few threads ago, someone refers to me as the Great AjanleKoko. Abeg naw. I will comot from this forum oo

Don't feel bad about that, but i think you deserve the honour.

Anyway, why I said so is, the economy is quite weak, at GDP of $1,400 per capita. We seem to be very alike with India, also with a very low GDP per capita, and a large base of unemployable graduates. It's not the fault of the graduates themselves, just the harsh reality of living in Nigeria

Seriously, I am struggling to know how  someone would survive with a salary of less than 100k per month. That probably would be spent on transportation and feeding with nothing left for savings.In Malaysia, which can also be said to be an emerging economy, starting graduate salary is about RM2,500=$800 per month. Despite being of almost the same GDP when compared with Nigeria, income levels seem to be higher. So, i think it's not only a GDP thing, after all, GDP does not capture all the factor income  in a nation.

The 60k plus is interesting; I agree, that should also be the national standard. If government is paying that amount to fresh grads, private sector should benchmark with that as base pay, and possibly augment with some allowances to ameliorate cost of living. But the reality is, graduates are not really worth that much in Nigeria.

Sir, why did you say that

I think when making comparisons as regards entry level pay we should also consider the cost of living among the listed countries. Why a US based graduate earns comparatively higher income, it may interest you to know that, on average, he maybe spending higher than his counterparts in other countries thereby placing the both on almost the same income level at the end of the day. So, purchasing power parity is necessary in this regard.

Reasonably, i would expect that entry level pay in Nigeria should go a bit above 100k per month, taken into consideration the chaotic nature of our environment. Someone once said that every household in Nigeria is a local govt. We provide almost everything for ourselves.So, a higher pay, based on varying economic and social condition is justifiable.