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OneCorner:
Archaic culture.
Afonjas so backward

ProudBornoBoy:
Oya Give Am 10Gbosassss.
the guy try die, e no easy, like say e easy ehnn, atiku for win, las las....

ProudBornoBoy:
Correctguy2010 is the major reason most people are still viewing this thread, the tribal bashing here in particular and the whole forum in general is making this forum less enlightening and educative. Seun please do something about it. It might result to lower traffic in the nearest future. We ought to act with decorum on social media.

Thank you very much Correctguy2010, you did a very good job pertaining this election, Tuale for you and 3 gbosa.

correctguy2010:
After results from 32 states, APC still in firm control but PDP has reduced the margin with result from Delta

APC has won 16 states
PDP has won 16 states.

oloyedayo:
You need an award for this yoman job you are doing.

correctguy2010:
After results from 31 states, APC still in firm control by over a margin of 3.8 million votes.

APC has won 16 states
PDP has won 15 states.

correctguy2010:
After results from 28 states, APC is still leading with a margin of over 3 million votes. Kano and Katsina created a huge gap between APC and PDP.
APC has won a total of 15 states
PDP has won a total of 13 states.

In terms of states won, it look as though PDP is very close but when you connsider the actual number of votes, PDP is seriously laggin behind.

Total rejected votes is almost hitting 1 million.

We have the following states left
KEBBI
ZAMFARA
BORNO
SOKOTO
DELTA
AKWA IBOM
RIVERS
CROSS RIVER
BAYELSA.

Ivlesivil:
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zurich1010:
IPOB trap is working. This news is all over Israeli newspapers this morning. And bulletin sent to all synagogues. Israeli journalists flew in to monitor this and have the evidence.

3rdeyeNigeria:
I never said you had low IQ, far from that.

What I said was, which is infact statistically true that Nigeria and Black Race are just too tribalistic, it goes beyond Yoruba and Igbo. They was a Hutu and Tsuti (if am correct) genocide Etc.

Back to the discourse..

I have a friend from Bayelsa that bitterly told me that he Hated yoruba's... (true story)
I askd him why? , he said they betrayed the south, voted Buhari bla bla bla.

I then ask him if he had seen the final Inec result of the election? He said no.

I open my phone then and showed him..

In Lagos about 500k lagosians voted GEJ against 700k Buhari
Same as other states it was marginal, PDP even won in Ekiti.. Yoruba actually voted for GEJ also.

I have to school him on the error and danger of generalisation and falacy.

Nigerians and Africa must develop our intelligence Quotient to a point where we judge people base on their individual action or comment not based on stereotype or what someone somewhere did.

That some not-too-expose people are hating your tribe and you as an individual for what Awolowo did (which is the problem am talking about) not based on your actions or words is wrong (totally) and you joining them to do it is like playing in the mud with pigs.

Kanu was insulting everybody, the best option was to handle him as an individual without making it seems it was a war against Igbos... Igbos would had thank Buhari for it.

Immediately it becomes a scheme to attack Igbos, neutral Igbos in the north hustling Everyone closed rank... And that single act elevated Kanu.

Lastly, Group like IPOB have become radicalized, go to facebook, you see how they insult anyone that tries to caution their extreme approach. soon now or later the would become violent instead of Nigeria to isolate finely first and flush out IPOB( because a neutral Igbo don't want succession) rather they would as usual group them as Igbos... Then you see neutral Igbos joining ranks with IPOB fanatics to defend themselves from Nigeria fanatisim

gidgiddy:
Wether you call it referendum or plebiscite, it is still a situation where people are voting to leave one political situation for another. Nigeria did not have any laws on referendum or plebiscite when it gained Northern British cameroon. If they had no law to gain, how can they have laws not to lose territory



The UK is the same thing as Britain. The UK is just the name that reminds people that Britain is made up of 3 united kingdoms. Britain has no laws on referendum but the British parliament granted Scotland a referendum based on the fact that the Scottish parliament had passed the same vote. The UK also used referendum once again in 2016 to leave the EU

3rdeyeNigeria:
Is Kanu a legislator
Who made Kaduna Nzogwu a legislator

See, let me tell you "write this my quote down".

Soon another Igbo man would rise, most probably from obscurity and do something dangerous, risky, huge for 100% personal gain without zero recourse to his fellow neutral tribesmen living peacefully all over the country then people like you instead of catching that particular Igbo man and skin him alive till he bleeds to death you would conviniently blame the whole neutral Igbomen and attack them that their son, their kinsman did this and that....

This single action would lead to the second Civil war.

Save it somewhere.

And obviously I would not be with you in Your low IQ and tribalistic Nigeria now or during that period of self inflicted turmoil.

gidgiddy:
Referendum dies not need to be in the constitution before it can be used. Referendum was been conducted in Nigeria in 1959, 1961 and 1963 with any referendum clause being in the constitution. Parts of Adamawa, Taraba and Bornu states are part of Nigeria because of referendum. Even Britain gave Scotland referendum in 2014 without referendum being in the British constitution. The only thing required to hold a referendum is a resolution of the National Assembly. So anybody thinking that there must be some sort of secession or referendum clause in the constitution before referendum can be conducted is ignorant .

Atikulating? I'm talking about the freedom of my people. Nigeria is not going to get better no matter who is in Aso Rock and God knows that Atiku and Buhari are just ad bad as each other

3rdeyeNigeria:
However sad and shameful, this your submission appear almost right except for one single error which we Nigerians are always guilty of.

Anytime I hear an educate fellow using the terms "your kinsman", "Your Son" I get disappointed.

They was no time Igbo tribe uniformly made (or agree to make) those decisions Zik, Aguiyi Ironsi, Nzougwu made.

They were individual, independent, humans, power hungry... They made an exclusive decision.

It would be so grossly unfair and stupid to judge your whole tribe for an action you individually took.

And then they was no internet and free flow of information as it is now therefore 98% of Igbos never knew what was really happening.


My point is say No to generalisation and grouping.

gidgiddy:
This going back what happend 50 or 60 years won't help anyone in 2018. We all need to join hands and get government to conduct a referendum so that those who still believe in the Nigerian dream can continue, and those of us who are tired of Nigeria can exit

3rdeyeNigeria:
And you think what Nnamdi Kanu (or IPOB) wants is final.

Reason why MNK became popular was because of the open discrimination against Igbos, the 5% statement , the recurrent pogrom... and the way the current government handled his rant.

In a fair enough climate, MNK would just be a lone voice in the wilderness

shakmati:
“I don’t think there is any part of this country that wants to leave this country. All they want is fairness, equity and justice”, he added.

This is a man that understands Nigeria!

Amumaigwe:
It does not change the fact that Osibanjo is leprous and should be quarantined from our collective treasury.

NaijaRoyalty:
“How can Vice President Osinbajo, a man who had just been indicted by the House of Representatives in one of the biggest corruption scams ever in Nigeria’s history, have the gall to point accusing fingers on Dr. Jonathan, a man that is celebrated internationally for his eff orts at achieving Nigeria’s best rating in Transparency International’s annual Corruption Perception Rating when Nigeria improved 8 paces from 144 to 136 in 2014?

After reading the bolded statement, I dare say that osibanjo is a thief .

In a sane clime , this lying criminal minded fake pastor , would be In jail.

Deadlytruth:
There were deadly riots targeted at Igbos sequel to Ironsi's blunders. The book link below authored by an Igbo man chronicles it vividly in page 91. I guess the Igbo author too is guilty of the spread of blatant falsehood for decades, right?
https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=Zm7sWUbDWakC&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=What+did+Western+Region+export+in+the+Sixties&source=bl&ots=rWxj8KJa41&sig=WzBeOKEJ45TYeU2IXDIV7dVDi84&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh1o3U0tHeAhVLy6QKHWtSAPoQ6AEwEHoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=What%20did%20Western%20Region%20export%20in%20the%20Sixties&f=false

The case of Igbos is not really comparable with that of the Jews because the high number of Jews in the diaspora is as a result of their forceful eviction from their fatherland in 70 AD by Arabian Invaders as prophesied to them by Jesus.
Now, who ever invaded Igbo land and forcefully evicted them into the diaspora they find themselves in today? None! Rather, their exit to other regions was spontaneous hence in serach of greener pastures.

Igbos' migration to remote parts of Chad, Zamfara and other Northern states is borne out of the search for markets less saturated hence holding out better patronage for their trades than those back home. This is still a form seeking of higher chances of survival and prosperity.

The Chinese in the diaspora are a negligible fraction of the home based population and are mostly on special technical expertise contract invitation by the government of the host countries. They didn't leave China spontaneously to go and search for greener pastures outside. Same with the nationals of other wealthy countries like the USA, UK, Germany, Canada, France, Russia, etc.
The Nigerians resident in these countries left home due to the lower chances of survival and prosperity which Nigeria held out for them.

It has now become a matter of how old I am? What are books written for if only age confers knowledge of the past on people? You believe Lord Luggard Amalgamated Nigeria in 1914 as you are told. How old are you to have believed that 'tale'? How old are you to have seen with your eyes that the Eastern Region was the richest as you claim here?

You obviously are the one who needs medical check for reasoning against a biological truism. Only a cursed people would entirely on their own free will abandon their homeland supposedly flowing with milk and honey and migrate in droves for other people's lands believed to be ravaged by poverty, squalor, relative barrenness and famine, hunger, filth, etc. Why do you Igbos reason against commonsense and simple logic? No wonder Ironsi decided to further donate more powers to the center in trying to solve a problem caused by the center's abuse of power. What an anomalous people!
It is like Donald Trump trying to reduce incidents of Americans' gun abuse by making a policy which speeds up the process of gun license acquisition.

As you have been told by Diadem, the statistics you posted is not specific on which region produced which commodity and in what amount. It is a lumping up of all the quantity produced by all the regions involved. If your Eastern Region produced most of the palm oil then, then how come the current largest exporter of the commodity is not an Eastern state?

diadem10:
Ipob and stupidity, very synonymous.

Palm oil had greater revenue acquired because the revenue was the cummulative from all federation. Palm oil Revenues from Ilaje palm oil which is still one of the largest today, from Ogun, from Benin and Delta (which were also part of the west) were added to that of Abia, Imo and Cross river. Hence, the cumulative revenue from palmoil proceeds was higher than that of Cocoa, cotton, Kola which were also found in the west.

technuel:
If Osinbajo with his exposure and academic exploit and deep knowledge of the constitutional provisions can go ahead and do this then the integrity of this government is highly questionable.

Deadlytruth:
You know that these folks just make bogus claims without any logical restraint.
It is a principle in Biology that migration naturally happens towards the area where the chances of survival and prosperity are higher.
It is on record that Igbos so much flocked to the Western Region that they alone were the only non-native tribe prominent in enough numbers to be given elective seats in Western Assembly by Yorubas. Meanwhile migrations from the West and North to the East were hardly heard of.
A school of thought is of the opinion that Ironsi's attack on the strictly federal constitution was actually informed by the fact that sustenance of regionalism constituted an obstacle to a full blown Igbo infiltration of the other three regions in search of livelihood which was relatively difficult in their own Eastern Region. It was so bad that even Zik, the overall Igbo leader who owed them the moral obligation to provide their much needed visionary and exemplary leadership, was not as thrilled by the prospect of governing his own Eastern Region as he was with the prospect of governing the Western Region.

Deadlytruth:
As recorded by Adegboyega in his "Why we struck" the real architects of the coup plot were just five in number without any Hausa among them. Nzeogwu and Adegboyega were recruited by the original three in about three months to the day of action.
All the others that participated in the execution were junior officers who were merely carrying out orders in an attack they had no prior knowledge of.

For the first bolded, if Ironsi's idea of provincial government was exactly the same as the extant regional system, then the following questions beg for answers:
1. why did he find it necessary to change the name?
2. why did it generate disapproval from every region except his own home Eastern Region?
3. why did Katsina and David Ejoor, who were Ironsi's own appointed Governors of the Northern and Midwestern Regions respectively, kick against it openly?
4. why did it elicit deadly riots targeted at Ironsi's kinsmen in the North?
5. why did Ironsi refuse to revert the nomenclature to 'regions' in defiance to the demand by the public to do so?
6. Did the public complain of the regional system let alone demand a review of the constitution to that end to be championed by an unelected military man in place of the legislators whom they had elected through the 1959 and 1964/65 elections to represent them in all legislative businesses?

For the second bolded; the constitution in place did not describe the structure as "intense regionalism". Ironsi smuggled the word "intense" into the description as a basis to justify his illegal unilateral alteration of a key provision of a genuinely people's constitution. Intensity is a relative term, so how exactly did he determine the dividing line between the 'intense' and 'non-intense' realms? In other words, what convinced him that the extent to which he reduced the so called intensity was not still too intense for the phantom national unity he was seeking?
Your claim that Ironsi's centripetal adjustments were aimed at preventing a repeat of the bloody happenings that brought about a military coup is at best an attempt by you to stand logic on its head. As I had earlier explained, the bloody happenings in question were brought about by gross abuses of power by the central government in the forms of unconstitutional interference in the purely internal affairs of the Western Region, disobedience of the Privy Council's order that Akintola be removed, the use and abuse of federal police to disrupt an impeachment process in the Western Assembly, the central government's reinstatement of Akintola without election hence in open violation of the Western Region constitution, the central government's decision to hurriedly sponsor a bill and get it signed into law to be applied retroactively against the Privy Council's order, the rigging of censuses and re-rigging of the rerun and the creation of more legislative seats in the North based on the false figures gotten from the rigged exercise, the rigging of elections in broad daylight, etc.
So why should anyone who sincerely wanted to prevent a repeat of all these make constitutional adjustments that would move the nation closer to the center? Does that make commonsense at all?

Your claim also that the higly decentralized structure back then helped the Ifeajuna coup greatly is another dishonest one. Did Ironsi's centralization of power not eventually lead to a succession of coups that kept Nigeria in military rule for another 33 years?
The only way to discourage coups is not to illegally tamper with a people's sovereign constitution but for the Supreme Commander of the Army to swiftly charge the culprits for treason and execute them according to courtmartial laws. That was what Ironsi failed to do and all other potential coup plotters were emboldened.

Unfortunately you couldn't explain how the civil service centralization did not automatically strip the regions of their powers over their resources. Imagine you as the governor of Anambra State with all your state's civil servants answerable to and reporting not to you but to Abuja. How do you collect taxes, and generate other revenues? In fact what kind of government would you even be able to run? If there was federal civil service along the regional ones as you mentioned, then why wasn't Ironsi satisfied with just using the federal one to carry out his business as HoS till the end of his purpotedly short tenure hence not requiring a broad based and gigantic bureaucratic assistance?

Your stories on the wealth of Eastern Region unfortunately stands in contradiction to the mass migration of Igbos to all other regions in search of greener pastures back then and till today. Mind you that the newly discovered oil wealth in the Eastern Region was located in the parts seeking the COR region which was sure to exclude Ironsi's Umuahia home town and residual region if granted. So why wouldn't Ironsi seek to pre-empt that by further doing away with any constitutional provisions which made the creation of new regions easy?

abbeyty:
You were making sense until you called me uncouth, I was about to apologise so, that we can move on but that word uncouth used shows how disrespectful you can be. Anyway I am done with you and have a nice day

Chemcrown:
Learn not only to read but to also comprehend. The shops in question are not yet completed before allocation. So, nobody is using it presently.
Go and read it again.

abbeyty:
Fool, can you tell your father that he has comprehending problem just because you are trying to make a point?

abbeyty:
You are bloody idiot, Is that how you address your uncles at home? Telling them they are blind or they have comprehending problem because you want to make a point? Are those words compliment in your village? silly boy.

abbeyty:
You must be out of your senses, you dingbat. Everyone knows that your governor is only making an excuse, he wants to refund their money so that I can re-allocate the shops to his loyalists.does it really matter if the shops are already in use or that? Why didn't he leave those who have already got theirs alone or you think they did not go through stress before they could get it?

abbeyty:
You must be out of your senses, you dingbat. Everyone knows that your governor is only making an excuse, he wants to refund their money so that I can re-allocate the shops to his loyalists.does it really matter if the shops are already in use or that? Why didn't he leave those who have already got theirs alone or you think they did not go through stress before they could get it?

Chemcrown:
Learn not only to read but to also comprehend. The shops in question are not yet completed before allocation. So, nobody is using it presently.
Go and read it again.

abbeyty:
You must be out of your senses, you dingbat. Everyone knows that your governor is only making an excuse, he wants to refund their money so that I can re-allocate the shops to his loyalists.does it really matter if the shops are already in use or that? Why didn't he leave those who have already got theirs alone or you think they did not go through stress before they could get it?

abbeyty:
Na wa, why not leave those poor people with their businesses? Now they will start looking for another shops, Instead of him to loan them some money to expand their businesses