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Kobojunkie:
1. That is what is written of Abraham. He only met Melchizedek that one time and gave him a 10th of his war booties in return for his kindness.

2. Sure! As long as we stick to what is in fact written, I see it as no debate at all.

1. Then we are on the same page, ken4christ claimed that Abraham gave not the booties of the war but from Abraham's personal belongings that Hebrew was an error or lie to refer to Abraham tithe as what came from the war.
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Kobojunkie:
1. I can't convince you that the other parts are true thus since you are meant to validate everything you read in scripture against the Truth of God and Word out of God's own Mouth, Jesus Christ. He is God's standard of Truth and so all that is written in scripture that contradicts Him is not Truth.

For this reason, I asked in my previous comments that you carefully compare what is written in Hebrew to that in fact written in the book of the Law of Moses and spoken by God of His tithing Law which He created and gave to the Nation of Israel as a Tax system for the Nation.

2. This isn't really about an opinion but again about what God Himself said of His Tithing which He designed and decreed. Nothing of what is described in Hebrews tallies with that which God decreed in The Law Of Moses.

3. You are not called as Mohammed called his followers so never attempt to compare yourself in anyway to those who don't even serve the same God as you claim to.

4. Jesus Christ no send you go read Bible commentaries abeg. Instead He said you should the understanding you have been given. More will be given to you if you obey - Matthew 25 vs 29 & Matthew 13 vs 12 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 24

5. Surely, Abraham gave a 10th of war spoils to MELCHIZEDEK, that was probably many camels and horses worth of boots, but I don't see how that matters in this.

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Just responding to 5. Do you agree that Abraham gave ONLY spoilt of war to Melchizedek? Or what?

And can we now discuss (I sincerely avoid the word debate) God's Law on tithe

Kobojunkie:
Not trying to hold brief for anyone here but actually, the writer of the letter to the Hebrews is to be faulted cause his claims regarding tithing do not add up at all. If you carefully studied God's Old Covenant Law and what God did in setting up His tithng/tax system in the country which He constituted of the people of Israel, then compared that with what Abraham supposedly did by giving Melchizedek a 10th of his war spoils, you will find the claims in Hebrews hard to swallow as truth, but rather a desperate attempt to convince the jews to abandon tithing altogether to embrace Jesus Christ.

Thanks Bro,
Are you Ken4christ, so as to avoid repetition ni oooo? Please, see my recent response to him. Thanks.

In addition, once you can fault part of Hebrew, how can you convince me that other parts are true. Once I fault your submission on a subject, I will ignore all others ni. Let us create a scene.

You: Good day brother,
Me: Good day sir
You: I bring the good tidings of our Lord Jesus Christ to you. You see God is calling sinners to repent. They should turn from their wicked ways. For God so love the world ...
Me: that He gave His only begotten son ...
You: So, you are a Christian?
Me: Sure, but I don't really like going to church
You: haaaa, why Bro
Me: no mind church jare, THEY ARE TOO DEMANDING. Pay tithe, pay offering, pay this, pay that...
You: Let me lecture you, even if you don't pay all, pay tithe. You see, Abraham even pay it when he gave Melchizedek
Me: but it is from the spoil, and am I coming from war?
You: No, no, no brother, you see I am a scholar when it comes to the issue of tithe, read Genesis very well, it says he gave tithes of ALLLLLLLLL
ME: But Hebrew says he gave tithe of the spoil.
You: stop there brother, Hebrew story of the event is VERY WRONG. THE AUTHOR OF THE HEBREW ON TITHE LIE THERE.
Me: haaaaaaaaaa, the whole Bible is a lie then
You: no, no, no, don't misquote me. Just the Hebrew and other FEW places in the bible are lies.

You see, if you see places that doesn't tally with your OPINION as lies, how do you want non believers to believe the whole scripture.

You can never see a Muslim faulting any letter (let alone a whole verse) of the Quran (A WHOLE BOOK THAT WAS SENT DOWN TO PROPHET MUHAMMAED (PBUH)) Except such is a backsliding Muslim.

Read Bible commentaries, Bible dictionaries, even original text of the translation (Hebrew) and see the translations.

"... let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment." Roman 3: 4 (ASV)

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim 2: 15 (KJV)


MY OPINION (which I don't do when it comes to the issue of the bible): IF ABRAHAM WERE TO GIVE TENTH OF EVERYTHING HE HAVE TO MELCHIZEDEK THAT DAY, CAN YOU MEASURE WHAT MELCHIZEDEK WILL HAVE TO CARRY THAT DAY?

Ken4Christ:
Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. AND HE GAVE HIM TITHES OF ALL

Does all in the verse above means spoil?

The king of Sodom asked him to take the goods which are the spoils but Abraham responded:

Genesis 14:23-24
23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

If Abraham rejected the goods (spoils), why would he take a tenth from what he rejected and give to the Priest?

The last phrase of Verse 20 should actually read, he gave him Tithe of all that he has.

Even when Tithing later became part of the law of Moses, did God asked the children of Israel to give tithes from spoil or from the produce of their farms and livestock?

You don't interpret scripture in isolation. It must be consistent with other scriptures that addresses the same thing.

Don't our big Pastors or ministers today make mistakes in interpretation of scriptures? Why do you think that the writer of Hebrews could not make a mistake? Was it previewed by God himself?

There of course errors in the Bible because of the human vessels that was involved. But that doesn't in any way affect its authenticity as the only Book on earth that contains divine truth and light for us to follow.

Even Jacob, the grandson of Abraham vowed to pay Tithe from all that God would give to him. He did not say it will be given from all he will get from fighting wars.

Genesis 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and OF ALL THAT THOU SHALT GIVE ME I WILL SURELY GIVE THE TENTH UNTO THEE.

Thanks for your response, do you have the Hebrew version of Gen 14: 20 and let us start from there? Thanks

Using this your quote "Even when Tithing later became part of the law of Moses, did God asked the children of Israel to give tithes from spoil or from the produce of their farms and livestock?" then we can start making promise(s) or tithe only when God evidently fulfil his promises in our lives as done by Jacob.

Also, you can't fault Hebrew in any way. It only iterate and made clearer the issue of Gen 14: 20. For example, we would not have known that it is God's Word that "then, shall a man leaves his father and mother ..." as shown by Jesus, but Genesis just quote it as a random word by anybody (especially Adam).

Please, in the name of God let us stop calling things that are not clear to us error (especially the BIBLE) especially when it doesn't tally with our OWN OPINION. It is a 'get away method' of baby Christian. You are telling a non-believer that the Bible is full of error, Haba!!! And you want me to believe such God of the book?
I have learnt to keep quiet where the Bible is quiet and only talk where it is talking and really dig deep where the reason arise, remember "who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." (2Corithians 3:6 MKJV)

Ken4Christ:
How could he have paid tithe from the spoils he rejected?

You don't give rejected items to God. God is too holy for that.

The writer of Hebrews got it wrong in his interpretation concerning the tithe Abraham gave.

Abraham has many servants. Even if he was far away from home. He could give them the order to release the tenth of all he had to Melchizedek. And I believe that was what he did. You will never get blessed giving what does not belong to you.

I know you will attack me for daring to disagree with the writer of Hebrews on this. He wasn't there when it happened. He read the account just the way you and I read it. But he was wrong in his interpretation on this.

Are you now faulting the Bible (Word of God); that The Bible if full of error?

And point of correction, Genesis also recorded it that he gave tenth of the spoil (Gen 14: 20). So, don't fault Hebrew record.

Ken4Christ:
The doctrine of Tithing is not based on the Law of Moses. It started hundreds of years before the law was given.

Abraham gave all his tithes to Melchizedek who is a type of Christ. Genesis 14:18 - 20.

His grandson, Jacob also vowed to give all his tithe. Genesis 28:22

And we are told to walk in the footsteps of Abraham who is our father of faith - Romans 4:12.

Brother, Abraham didn't give (ALL) HIS tithes, but tithe of the spoil. He never even took out of it.

Everlastingson:
Tithe is Scriptural and it's God's will that you pay tithe, take it or leave it. Many of you intruding in this matter here, commenting about what you don't even know, are not even born again. Some of you say it's Old Testament Law. Be informed that when Abraham started paying tithe the Law had not been given. Tithe was in effect BEFORE the Law. If you're born again here and reading these comments I say to you do not let them deceive you. THE TITHE YOU PAY GOES TO GOD, NOT TO MEN. Don't listen to Creflo Dollar coz he has been deceived.

True children of God have no problem paying tithe, after all everything you have belongs to God.

Can I engage you in a discourse?

Whiteangel1234:
Igbo Presidency can only be achieve in 2 ways

1-- By Consensus Arrangement ( Example in 1999 when it was given to Obasanjo )

2-- By Creating a Solid Revolutionary Party like LP and expand it slowly it will take years ( Ojukwu created APGA for that reason but since inception selfishness have not allow APGA expand beyond Anambra state , it manage to enter Imo state and Rochas Decmap with ApgA mandate to APC in 2014

I stand to be corrected. In 1999, PDP never arrange any consensus candidate because they still slug it at the primary EXCEPT I am missing the meaning of consensus.
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Horllamideh:
I have always known you are either from Ogun state or Oyo state cos both are not known for docility. I am from Oyo too, Ogbomoso to be precise.

You have been at the forefront bursting lies and other stereotypes against us, I no even dey see YungMilli my itsekiri boss again. Together with TAO19.

God bless you all.

Ogbomoso, omo af'opo ja
Ibi won gbe jeka ko to muko yangan


I hail ooooo

Couldn't believed that I could be this emotional down. Get well soon Eriksen

bjayx:
U know him He taught me in my PD days 2004 at PD complex

you are truly a ladokite

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Reason now, how can Igbo vote for ewedu, Islamic, supporter of APC, terrorist party. Reality check, if APC should field Onu and PDP field Obi, Igbo will go for Obi and no party is ready to loose an election especially heavy weight election.

Also, so far so good, ratio of Ibos in APC and PDP is a very long line likewise their contribution. So, it is a gross inequality and injustice if PDP is considering other region other than south east

You are profiling Onu, should we start profiling OSINBANJO, FASHOLA ETC

One mistake of Igbo is you like to put all your eggs in one basket. Even the Yorubas still have mouth in PDP. Check the voting pattern of the YORUBAS.

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jpawjpaw:
oboy....this ur grammar strong oo..
what does that mean please.

I dey think of something else ni ooo

jpawjpaw:
oboy....this ur grammar strong oo..
what does that mean please.

I dey think of something else ni ooo

jpawjpaw:
I accepted it, even printed the admission letter because during the clearance, u must present the copy of your admission letter offered to u by Jamb which I did.
My name is currently on the matriculation list now; does that mean I will still do regularization?

ha abeg oo...

Yes, since the course on your admission letter does not tally with the course you are actually studying nowSteaua Bucharest

finebois:
Na you get problem be that, if you meet the cut off, then I can assure you that Unilag will admit 100% sure

sir, we are Nigerians and we know the the trend - eni mo way lo mowe - the fact that you are admitted on merit does not mean that others are rejected despite the fact that they merit it. My sister was given admission in OAU purely on merit and I have helped someone to print both result and admission letter who scored 197 and was admitted to study LAW, I repeat LAW.
So, you can't fault someone who has a first hand experience. My own admission was purely on merit (through pre - degree) but I know someone who is far below cut off mark and was admitted for medicine because his dad is the the director of pre degree study.
Na Niger we dey. Thanks

jpawjpaw:
Same thing happened to me in 2018. I applied for Civil engineering, School changed me to management tech.; Caps notified me, I accepted the admission on Caps(management tech.). Later on, the school changed my admission again to Industrial mathematics but with some reasons.
Their reason was, my subject combination(Eng, math, phy and chm) didn't tally with the course they initially offered me, so they have to change it.
So I'm currently studying Industrial mathematics, while my Caps is currently reading Management tech.
Hope it won't affect me during my NYSC?

it will because your jamb admission letter will indicate management tech while studying industrial chem. so bro, you will be forced to go for jamb regularization. Hope you accept the admission on jamb CAPS

proeast:
In 2023, both parties will have no choice but to give their tickets to Igbomen, same way it done for Yorubas in 1999 for peace, equity, justice and fairness to reign. However, if peradventure you guys decide to sabotage it, then you will be handing the presidency to the North on a platter of gold.

Nooooo, both parties MUST have candidates from each zone to contest the primary. I think it is better this way. Ekwueme contested against OBJ in 99

sesan85:
The same Obasanjo FINISHED your Biafla! You cowards surrendered to Obasanjo

And the only offensive war was even led by Yoruba they are programmed to hate. They can't be successful unless they are backed by the Yorubas. Even their financial breakthrough must happen on Yoruba soil.

If care is not taken, you will continue to broadcast for 40 years and nothing will be achieved, how does all this broadcast here and there lead to getting freedom. Honestly, can we have the time frame that you intend to get freedom (this is what should have been the question that your members should be asking), or you will continue to broadcast till eternity. And please, stop all these irrelevancies in attaining secession.

Pusyiter:
I stand to disagree
Number of registered voters is not more than 80 million
Number of Nigerians with BVN is not up to 100 million
The question is, where do we get these figures?
Our census is a fraud knowing fully well that we inflate figures for allocation

will somebody below 18 have voter's card and will under age be permitted to have bank account?

Honestly, this your post does not make sense at at all (apology if this hit a nerve).
1. If election truly count, will a losing party be declared winner
2. will you force voters to change their choice of candidate all in the name of voting another party in.
3. Democracy is not allowing another party to win or declaring losing candidate as the winner of an election but democracy is people making their choice and the choice is respected whether it favours others or not provided that the choice does contradict the constitution.
4. I don't like treading the path that says change your wife (if you're married) or your parents to show democracy is at work

Tobrasky:
Ogbeni shut up abeg! Your people are all over the place, in large numbers for that matter in the SE and especially the SS where I come from. The problem with you people is that your ignorance and lack of exposure (that's what happens when you don't actually travel out of your enclave, or slums rather) is so stagnating that's it sad to see how myopic you lots sound, so much for been "sophisticated". Go to Enugu, Aba, Port Harcourt, Asaba, Owerri, Warri and see thousands or more of your people flooding those areas.

You talk of Igbos been refugees in your overrated region, even going as far as to make dumb comparisons with Mexicans flooding the US borders blah blah blah, are you the one empowering those same Igbos who are buying up your father's lands and dominating your markets all over Lagos? which tribe is responsible for over 70% of all import and export duties in the Lagos ports? The same essential commodities your people almost survive on are owned or imported by Igbos! The same people who sell gala still end up buying up your shops and forcing your young men into omonile business, look at these dumb idiot talking about refugees . This lock down has already exposed who the real refugees are, na your people dey kill themselves over agege bread and constituting social nuisances with crime and the likes just to survive, for ordinary lock down ooo! Igbos survived 3 years of a bloody civil war with nothing to eat! yet your people can't last for just few months.

And the Igbos didn't stop the Ijaws from seceding you uneducated dunce. The government of Ironsi did using government troops. And last time I checked there was no approval or consensus by the Igbos to stop anybody from seceding (point me to any part of history where and when that happened).

Can we now conclude that it is not the Yoruba that stop Biafra but Gowon government?

Throwback:
Thank you from exonerating me from the claim that "We" stopped Igbos from seceding, when it was just the government of Gowon, using government troops.

May your sense never run dry

Throwback:
Thank you from exonerating me from the claim that "We" stopped Igbos from seceding, when it was just the government of Gowon, using government troops.

May your sense never run dry

Agboriotejoye:
I agree with you somewhat. Only fools rushed to defend what they can't really see

Ok, thank you

Agboriotejoye:
You still don't get it do you? The same president you support appointed the cabal who employed FFK to insult the VP you also support. In other words, the president got FFK to insult the VP by proxy. So while you were defending the VP against the president's foot soldier, he was making enormous money while y'all were shouting hoarse on the internet for nothing. All inside the same APC!!
The whole matter is turninoninown. I can't explairrit.

And you think VP is not aware of the game they are using ffk to play. You never wonder why VP never respond to ffk vituperations.
Honestly, I believe there are no betrayers but only fools, because only fools can be betrayed.