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The truth is there is nothing contradictory among those verses, just a difference in the amount of details

OtemAtum:
from here: https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

ok thanks

OtemAtum:
The name Pol is derived from the name Polonius. It is from that Pol the story of Paul the Apostle was pulled out. The Paul of the homo sapiens is just 50% fictional version of the real one(Pol).

tell me more. which account is the story of pol read from by you. Not the bible i guess

OtemAtum:
If the story is true, then he is practising Karmish.
Karmish, according to the Seriot language is the use of deception to gain attention before changing to the opposite of what you profess to gain more attention and popularity.
Pol(in the DOCTUFOS) was an example of a Karmish user, who knows right from beginning that he wanted to be a scammer(an apostle) but started publicly as a persecutor of the christian. Then at a particular day, he jumped down from his horse and lied that Faulkin(Yeshua) spoke to him. Of course he gained more popularity by so doing.

Why Pol in Doctufos, instead of Paul in Damascus?

hoMegas:
What is your view on a code of morality for atheists .

Atheist/atheism have no doctrine or moral code. Non-believe in any god is only thing common among all atheist. Some atheist believe in evolution, big bang or whatever, while some others (like me) don't.

Every other way of life such as morality depends on one's personality. I particularly detest atheist group, gathering, rules or code; anything whatsoever that makes atheism look like religion

CyrusTheGreat:
Gonna need some citations for that load of rubbish. What evidence is there within the early church or proto-semitic religious communities that their creation myths were seen as metaphorical, and what gives credence to this metaphor to begin with? Last I checked the creation beliefs of Abrahamic traditions, in a time where there was no study of cosmology and before people knew of fossilisation, evolution, nuclear science or Carbon-14 emission dating, were strictly literal, and you were punished for claiming otherwise.

KingEbukasBlog is always oscillating back and forth. This is what happens when the motive is not to prove "what is right" but "who is right" or "whose belief is right". Now he is speaking of different christian interpretation with different conclusions. The chronological interpretation says the earth is not older than 10,000 years old, meanwhile, KingEbukasBlog's metaphoric interpretation agrees the earth is about 4.5billion years old. The funny thing is that he is not disputing the different christian theories rather he prefers to refer it as "...simply different interpretation". At least, different christian interpretation should arrive at same conclusion within themselves before comparing with science if truly the bible true.

Be open-minded else you keep shooting yourself in the leg

CyrusTheGreat:
Disagree. Life is good knowing there isn't a celestial tyrant waiting to judge you for every action you take.

Plus you can eat pork, which is the best meat.

If there is god, at least he would have made us perfect, and there will be no death or cock and bull story of how humans started dying

I truly wish there is an ideal god, not the god of any man made religion

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , I'm not sure why you are not getting this . The chronology is just a way some Christians determine the age of the earth . The Christians who don't use the chronology are not denying the bible , they are simply using a different interpretation . Simple . A metaphorical view of the creation story is not denying the bible or trying to harmonize the bible with scientific evidence . The metaphorical interpretation is as old as the literal view .

How else do you want me to explain ?

OK, Do this for me,
post the linage of jesus christ from adam, i will allow you assume each person lives for 2000years, while you also assume each gave birth when they are 2000years old. Or you want to assume, 10,000? I still give you. Let's see how you will arrive at a million years not to talk of billions . Wake up brother

KingEbukasBlog:
Pooh Pooh fallacy .

I gave you two logical reasons the other the day to acknowledge the existence of God and you could not refute them .

You just hold tightly to your illogical assertions and claims even when they have been debunked so easily - that's delusion .



I just told you that ancient and medieval Jewish and Christian philosophers interpreted the bible allegorically before science came with evidence of a 4.5 billion year old year earth . And you still went ahead to say that interpretations were done to match science's evidence . Haba !

And the scientific discoveries were still made by Christians !

Ancient atheists from the Charvaka materialist school believed that everything is made up of fire , water , air and earth . Or you don't know that ancient atheists made so many daft claims ?

Na wa for you oo

lemme see the logical reason. Maybe you typed and send but still hanging in the air...
and he finally came with his own theory to match with science...

I repeat again, are you going with the bible's chronological proof of <10,000 years ago, or the scientific theory of 4.5billion years? Or you no longer believe in the bible just because of this particular argument?

Never knew i can make you deny the bible

KingEbukasBlog:
Win arguments ? I've abandoned so many arguments because most times they are a waste of time . Just like I'll do now if you continue making assertions without backing them up with logic or science .



Bro , there are so many interpretations of the biblical account of creation .

There is old-earth creationism and young earth creationism . There is theistic evolution - the belief God orchestrated evolution . Some Christians interpret the creation story literally while others do so allegorically .

Even before science came with evidence of 4.5 billion year old earth , ancient and medieval Christians and Jewish philosophers interpreted the bible's creation story allegorically .

Yes for what is asserted without proof or logic - like existence of god, does not need proof or logic to dismiss. When you start rolling out proofs and logic, you will surely see me in action. But for now, i can't waste such energy cos arguing in faith like you are doing, expells little or no energy unlike arguing with logic and proofs. So i will be losing....

Tell me, are you going for the scientific theory or biblical theory of the beginning of the universe?

When you said many interpretation of biblical account of creation, i laughed. Is this not evident the bible brews confusion? Is this not evident the bible is man made tool to explain how we came into existence?

Tell me the interpretation you go with and what it said about how many years ago the earth began if you are going with the bible's account of less than 10,000 years. Or you can manufacture an intepretation that matches with science's billion years

KingEbukasBlog:
Abeg carry your wahala go jare

You keep saying the saying the universe is eternal without proof when observational data and physics let us understand that the universe has a beginning . That is simply delusion .

By the way an eternal universe still does not preclude the existence of God .

don't confuse yourself because you want to win an argument. Are you in support of biblical beginning of the universe of less than 10,000 years or the scientific beginning of millions of years?

If you go with the bible, then you have to dismiss scientific theories.
If you go with science, then you have to falsify the bible.

you see say na you get the wahala?

KingEbukasBlog:
Abeg carry your wahala go jare

You keep saying the saying the universe is eternal without proof when observational data and physics let us understand that the universe has a beginning . That is simply delusion .

By the way an eternal universe still does not preclude the existence of God .

There are many scientific theories on that. So which are you opting for?
The universe have a beginning which is indeterminate.
where have you proved god is eternal?

KingEbukasBlog:
God is eternal uncreated , without beginning or end that's why no one is bothered about who created God .

Now tell me , is man eternal ? And since science lets us know that man has a beginning , what created man ?

why will anyone be bothered about who created what is not existing?
science is trying hard like religion to explain how we came into existence. There is no concreate answer yet from either side. Both theories are premature

malvisguy212:
the univers has a beginning, but God has no beginning and no end.

the universe have a beginning which is indeterminate. Thus, if the beginning is indeterminate, we can say the universe is eternal or infinite.

There is no god to start with, else he would be speaking for himself to prove his existence like the universe is doing instead of have you and others speaking and fighting to bring him into existence

KingEbukasBlog:
Can you prove the universe is eternal ?

Can you disprove Hawkins evidences for a finite universe ?
www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

the universe is indeterminate, hence we can use the word eternal or infinite.

KingEbukasBlog:
What then created man ?

let's not bother about what created man same way you dont want to bother about what created god.

malvisguy212:
you are making atheism look more stupid. if all atheist reason like you, then I must confess, atheism is illogical.

Yes, I'm an illogical atheist. I don't have time and energy to express logic on what is illogical.
So i copy the theist approach. For what can be asserted without logic or proof, can be dismissed without logic or proof. SIMPLE!

P.S: I am not perturbed when you say atheist are confused or illogical, cos i am copying the theist method so i know who you are indirectly referring to

malvisguy212:
God is a spirit, He is uncreated. He bring everything Into existence.

same with the universe

malvisguy212:
2 Chronicles 2:6
But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?

highest of heavens is situated in heaven. If i say deepest of earth, am i moving away from the earth? Rather, i am only trying to specify an extreme of a particular entity.

Why is it only in case like these you guys want to turn things upside down but tomorrow you will say you will go to heaven and not third heaven or heaven of heavens. And then heaven will not become space any longer

KingEbukasBlog:
How can he tell you ? You made the claim that our mind created spirit , please defend it .

those who believe in spirits or god created it in their mind

malvisguy212:
you said a spirit can be created ( which is wrong) so I am asking you, who created the first spirit ?

if you say spirit cannot be created, then we are both right

KingEbukasBlog:
The mental is immaterial and cannot be reduced to something physical. The mind is indeed the spirit .

i never knew, you are just telling me. All i know is the human mind created all spirit being

KingEbukasBlog:
Please explain . What does this mean ? Are there theists who don't believe in God ? And atheists who believe in God ?

someone wanted me to define myself that way so i did

malvisguy212:
Genesis 1:1
in the beginning (time) God created the heaven (space) and the earth (matter).

we read in the epistle of Paul were he refer were God dwell as the third heaven:
2Corinthian 12:2
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.

there is nothing imply in genesis one that God created his own home, the reason you think like this is because you are only looking for fault and not truth.

Isaiah 57:15
15 For thus says the High and Lofty One
Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
s “I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Why dont people say "our father who art in third heaven..." or is god dwelling in space?

malvisguy212:
so, who created the first spirit ?

tell me

malvisguy212:
can a spirit be created ?

yes, in our mind

felixomor:
Nah, u miss it.
"Heavens" in Genesis refers to celestial bodies and planetary bodies.

Please get a concordance fast.
Some bible translation even do it justice.

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning, God made the universe - GNT

Below are several translations of the bible. Why would good news translation be most correct one among these translations below? Why would heaven in genesis differ from heaven in revelation? Does that mean earth in genesis also differ from earth in revelation?

New International Version
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

New Living Translation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

English Standard Version
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

New American Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

King James Bible
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

International Standard Version
In the beginning, God created the universe.

NET Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

New Heart English Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
In the beginning God created heaven and earth.

JPS Tanakh 1917
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

New American Standard 1977
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Jubilee Bible 2000
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

King James 2000 Bible
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

American King James Version
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

American Standard Version
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

Darby Bible Translation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

English Revised Version
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Webster's Bible Translation
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

World English Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth

felixomor:
I would have,. But the question doesn't make sense.
God is infinite.
Everything that was created, both heaven and earth.
Exists in Him.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Sure, i agree to all that. I want to agree god is infinite, i also want to agree he created heaven and earth.
But knowing too well heaven is god's dwelling place which he created alongside earth, i want to know where god was dwelling before he created his dwelling place - which is heaven.

Lol....nothing like pidgin.
In english it appeared as a candid advice but as e switch enter pidgin, all i see was Dammy Krane

felixomor:
Ok, good to know u are open minded.

now you know, can you open mindedly discuss based on the topic?

felixomor:
Sorry
If you are still searching,
Then you are not an atheist.
That is a fallacy.

I'm open minded, i answer anything you call me being sure it doesnt change who i am.
Fine, i am a theist that don't believe in any god.
Anyhow you want to describe me, i am good and fine!