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shadeyinka:
I can understand that your limited and past experiences oyour Christianity lead you to atheism. However, I still believe that atheists make up their mind with limited information and would prefer to sit on the wall of scepticism rather than stir up the deep water of truth.

Pls watch this and conclude that it was arranged. The couple in question were poor: probably they were paid to make their testimony.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1s&v=K82hMndlLZo

Does this make physical sense? Certainly not!

I don't belong to scoan neither am I affiliated with them in any way. There are hundreds more of this kind of videos if you want

Thanks for the Sunday comic relief. But unfortunately it was at the cost of my precious MB

God is indeed like a comedian performing to spectators too afraid to laugh.

I'm not surprised this video makes sense to you. Poor couples yet arm robbers keep coming their way like they'll never do to any rich man.

correctguy101:
You're kidding right?
That's an edited video. There are many on YouTube. Go check them out and notice the similarities between the so-called ghost sightings.

I just don't want to mention that the video was edited since i have no proof. But a hologram and camera glitches are still possibilities if truly the video wasn't edited.

Many things can cause this. It can either be:
1. A hologram
2. Camera glitches caused by electrostatic charges picked up by camera circuitry due to the dry weather.

I bet you, he wouldn't have seen it with naked eyes

The abrahamic god is very dumb! Check this thread to see show of some of his dumbness.
https://www.nairaland.com/4225760/why-does-gods-actions-never

correctguy101:
That's the undoing of whole project..

It must have sounded appealing to the creators of the project and I can bet one of my balls that a lot of people still find it appealing and sensible

Abeg, make I go prepare for cross over jor...

it's really crazy bro

Deckline:
but JESUS is everywhere. He is the hero of the discussion,the protagonist,the central figure. He is the saviour. Your only saviour. How can we possibly take him off

Jesus is indeed a saviour. At least, the absurdities taught about him helped saved me from the shackles of religion

Deckline:
Now,i want to know your point.
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(1) Do you believe there is a god but you just don't know which is the true GOD
OR
(2) You just believe in the inexistence of a god?

God most probably does not exist. If it does, we won't even be arguing its existence, and those who claim it exists will have evidence to show it really does.

Deckline:
You will become a whole new person! Jesus will reveal himself to you.

Take Jesus off the discussion. At least I can endure the unverified claim that a god created me but not that an unknown Jewish carpenter died for me and paid for my sins, and yet is chilling alive in heaven. And would still make me who doesn't believe to pay for my own sins in hell

Deckline:
Why are you trying to tempt me? will you believe me if i tell you?

I will, if it's something I have not, or can't benefit from as a non-employee

Deckline:
Thats faith! But you are saying you won't still believe even when you see?

I never said I won't believe if I see. Meanwhile, faith works for all gods and virtually anything. Therefore, it is only with reasoning and evidence that one can differentiate a true god from a nonexistent or invented god.

Deckline:
Won't you get the employment first before you know?

At least, you that have gotten the employment can tell me

Deckline:
So you should know its only when you become a christian,you can enjoy the benefits of christianity. You can't work in skye bank and expect tips from GTB

And the benefits are?

Deckline:
Let me give an instance...i have $10B, other rich people either have $1M or less. You are looking for the right person to work with who can pay you well ofcourse but you doubt the genuinty of my work so you decide to be alone(atheist) now,i can decide not to care about you and let you die poor since you don't serve/believe anybody(atheist). Now,as a kind person,if i wish to employ you even if you got no working papers,i'd want you to conform with my rules and regulations and i will also like you to bring more people to my company.(soul winning)

Those souls you are winning, how do you want to win them since they don't yet have the holyspirit and can't understand the bible?

Deckline:
What you are trying to say is "YOU WILL ONLY BELIEVE WHEN YOU SEE"?

No, I'm saying those who believed are only doing so blindly.

Deckline:
Those absurdities are the things umbelievers cannot understand but we understand with the help of the Holy spirit within us, With GOD everything is possible.

You should know that every religion takes pride in believing their own bullsh!t, and anyone who doesn't believe is an termed an unbeliever. It applies to all religion not just yours.

If I ask you, do you think god would prefer we use our common sense to understand and believe in him or we use holy spirit which is only available after you must have been born in that religion and have accept all it's doctrines?

Deckline:
Now, you can't just start thinking and questioning your beliefs if there hasn't been any connection with a third party. You must have shared your thoughts with an umbeliever.

Surprisingly, I never did. I've never known any atheists outside nairaland. I only started thinking, and going back in history while I do so. I started reading the bible on my own, asides from what I was indoctrinated to believe in churches.

I always categorize people into two:
1. Those I will tell I have a dollar bill in my wallet, and they will believe me just because I said it
2. Those I will tell I have a dollar bill in my wallet, and they will ask for my wallet, dip their hands inside, confirm truly whether I have a dollar bill or not.

Everyone one was like (1) during indoctrination about religion and god but only few were brave enough to jump to (2) irrespective of an imaginary scorpion that I lied is inside my wallet, hence cannot be checked without getting harmed. These few are the atheists.

Deckline:
Why do you say the bible is ridiculous? Now did you just wake up one day to renunce your faith and become an atheist OR You probably have been watching movies or listening to people?

The bible is ridiculous because it contains errors, absurdities, contradictions, yet believed by adults, including educated and civilized people.

The journey of dumping religion could be traced from when I started thinking and questioning my beliefs just to be sure I am not risking my eternity in the wrong religion or belief system.

Deckline:
No... You are wrong. You don't think. If you do, you wouldn't question the existence of God.

Questioning the existence of god only comes from thinking and not from "not thinking"

Deckline:
Lol...Now,true there might be over 4000 gods but Let me ask you a question. Why don't we hear complaints about these other gods? Why do people always talk against the bible. Now the bible is just 1 minus the 4000 other sacred books other religions can be using,but why is it the bible contents people are always attacking? Why do you think atheists always go against what is written in the bible? Why do they attack Jesus more? Why not mohammed,or allah,or budha or some other gods? Jesus wants you to repent!

Christianity is the religion with most adherent, and most atheists were once Christians. Notwithstanding, atheists who weren't once Christians do speak about their own previous beliefs.
As for your bible, that is just the most ridiculous book I've ever read! In fact, if you rank religions by their religious books, Christianity will most probable make it to the bottom!

Deckline:
We are christians,we don't attack muslims. We preach to them

Atheists don't attack any religion either. We only teach them how to think!

Deckline:
Lol... Let me ask you a question. Why do you think atheists always go against what is written in the bible? Why do they attack Jesus more? Why not mohammed,or allah or some other gods? Its simple, its because they know that Jesus is the saviour of mankind but they just prefer darkness to light.

Maybe this your logic also reveals why Christians attack Islam more than any other religion. Maybe cos Christians know there is no other god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet...

Deckline:
Atheism is nothing but a belief exacerbated from the abyss of hell. Every hypothesis atheists have questioned have been answered in the bible,yet you are spiritually blind to see the truth. The fool says "there's no God"... Now let me ask, if there's no God,then do you also believe there is no devil?

There are over 4000 gods, and you believe in just 1 but the atheists believes in none. Apparently, you and the atheists are just one god away from total agreement. In essence, you only have problem with the atheist not believing in your own god but see no problem with yourself dismissing all other possible gods.

joshuakdboy:
Would request for this when he gets back home from the farm

OK, mention me when it's set

adepeter2027:
Hahahaha

JUJU no dey work with camera in proximity

You never can tell. This one might work

joshuakdboy:
I've always been sceptical whenever the issues of supernatural powers are spoken of.

I traveled down to my village (Etutekpe in Kogi state, Igala land) for the festivities. I felt this is a perfect opportunity to verify my claims. I asked a cousin if he truly believes that these powers exists. His answer was simple "This city people una no know anything". I was like, you are uneducated, you may have been seeing well scripted tricks by those who do things you think are real.

He didn't want to argue so he asked me to get a knife, he went into his room, brought out something and tied on his waist, then he asked me to try cutting his flesh with this knife. I was scared because I felt I'd injure him but he assured me to do it, so I did, to my surprise, he wasn't harmed. He then removed the thing on his waist and asked me to try again this time being extremely careful because it will cut, I tried without much force and alas, I saw his blood.

This is before my very eyes. How do I explain it. my scepticism has been skewed a bit.

I want to see more before I leave the village before arriving at a conclusion.

Since you are still in the village, I would like if you repeat it again with your cousin. But this time, ask someone to record it so we can all see. With this, any other person might be able to see the sleights and misdirection you have failed to see. It's very simple. I'm waiting...

Hmmmmn, this is serious

Following

Op, if today is world stupidity day, you better tell us on time instead of taking us unawares without us being prepared.

Zither:
I never said God plans human actions. Please don't misquote me on that. I said and I quote, "whatever God does has already been planned even before He created the world". The key phrase here is - whatever God does - as opposed to whatever man does.

Like I said previously, God gives you your freedom to plan and direct your life without His interference. You are responsible for your decision and action to love, murder, help, destroy, and whatever, but God already has His plan that has been waiting for perfect timing to be executed. As such, nothing takes Him by surprise. Your definition of success is different from His definition as night from day.

God's actions are function of man's own actions. God destroyed the world because man was sinful. Meaning if man was righteous, god wouldn't have destroyed the word. Therefore, if god didn't plan human actions, how can he then have a plan which is dependent on human actions. If god had planned for the flood, then he must have drafted also a plan for a sinful world.

Okay genius, if God destroyed the world so that it would usher in a sinless generation then why did He bother to plan to give mankind grace through Christ even before He formed the world? The things which happened in the old testament are a shadow of things to come...a prophecy of the future through events. God does not do things for fun of it, not especially when human lives are at stake. The judgment that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah and the world of Noah did not precede His constant warnings to repent. The same judgment would have fallen on Nineveh but they repented and averted the destruction. Do you think God has changed because we are in the 21st century? In our time preachers and believers have been constantly warning of the coming judgment and urging mankind to repent and when the day of judgment arrives you will know why...that it is not for fun.

It just shows how confused god is. If god does not do things for fun, then what did he achieve from destroying the world with flood? If god already knows those who would be sinful before they were born, then why create them? Why not create only those that will make heaven and do away with the problem of preachers going to preach to people to repent?

God never changes. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. If that was God's nature - killing people who worshipped other gods - then we should all be dead by now, don't you think?

But god actually instructed the killing of people who worshipped other gods. If your god never changes, then I'm only surprised you are not killing people of other religion. You ain't doing so is either because your god has changed and repented, or the god of old testament is different from that of new testament.

Enough to know that they are all myths. Where was Zeus when the message of the gospel was spreading all over the world? Where were Krishna, Amadioha, Allah, Buddha, and all other gods when the message of Jesus Christ spread from continent to continent, and where are they now?
The fact that you serve a different god does not mean you have not heard about Jesus Christ....at least 99% of the world already heard the gospel in whatever language they understand.

How is Jesus imaginary? Tell me the massacre of Christians in Rome a few years after Christ's crucifixion was imagined....or that the tomb where Christ was buried was imaginary....or that Pontius Pilate, under who Christ was crucified, was an imaginary work of fiction...

The reason Amadioha didn't cross the boundary of south eastern Nigeria is same reason Igbo is not used as a lingua franca in UK or America. The Arabs and Europeans were fortunate to explore other lands, so they took along with them their religion. Now, do your calculation and see the reason why Islam and Christianity are the most widely spread religion. It could have been any other religion. And the power of any god is a function of population of worshippers. That is why Yahweh seem to be the most powerful god, then Allah. So every god is bound to go out of existence the very first day everyone stops worshipping them.

Saying 99% must have heard about Jesus is not a fact but just your wishful thinking.
Can you prove Jesus is not imaginary aside from an ancient book written by primitive cavemen.

It is just like in the garden of Eden when God came as usual to fellowship with man but Adam and Eve had hidden themselves because their eyes had opened. There, God asked, "Adam, where are you?" and the next question, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded that you should not eat?"

Peeps like you reading this verses would conclude that God had no idea Adam and Eve would disobey Him and that God was ignorant of their state after the disobedience. God said in Isaiah 46:10, that He is a God capable of "Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, `My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure" It then means God was not trying to convey ignorance of the result of the works of His hand but that He was passing the message of His displeasure... Man was created in God's image. Man is emotional because God is emotional, too. Nothing takes Him by surprise does not mean He is a God without feelings, a God that does not feel disappointment or pain even though He already knew it would happen.

God passing message of his displeasure, or god passing message of his regrets, we all know god was passing a message. But i'm only worried about god planning his own displeasure or whatever you call it. How can an intelligent being plan his own displeasure?
How can an intelligent being like god plan for his son to be tortured and murdered by his own creations just to save them from hell he already planned for most of them?
Is there no other plan aside the one that will involve murder?

Zither:
On the contrary. That I am very certain what you will do in the future does not mean I control or plan your actions. In the same vein, God knowing what you desire or need even before you have the idea does not make Him obliged to answer.

What part of the bible said this? Or you thought it out for god? Didn't you read in the bible where god hardened Pharaoh's heart?

God gives man the freedom to choose even if He already knew the choice man would make. His qualities of love and fairness give us the opportunities to obey or disobey Him, the freedom to be who we want to be, to follow Him or reject Him. His pre-knowledge of your actions does not interfere in your plans and decision-making. That is solely you and you alone.

You call it freedom to choose? Where in fact, you are not free when you choose what god doesn't want. How is that freedom to choose?

He knew many would reject Him and few would accept Him but He did not count it a waste of time; He came nonetheless to save the few that by their freedom of choice accepted Him. This is the same thing that happened in the time of Noah. God told Noah to preach about the coming destruction even though He knew that only eight souls would be saved.

In essense, those who rejected him still by freedom of choice he destroys. Again, a freedom of choice with condition for choosing the wrong choice, is that one a freedom of choice?

If god knows already that only eight souls would be saved, why ask Noah to preach then? This in fact, shows lack of knowledge.

If God took actions to thwart every decision of man that is not favourable to Him then He would have denied man the use of his free will and as such He would not be fair to judge mankind.

God has already denied man freewill. Take for instance, If I lock you in a room, then one day, I give you freedom to go out and come in any time you want. But each time you go out, I threaten to kill you. This then made you scared of going out, then eventually stopped going out. Will you say I gave you freedom?

At least, in judgment no one can accuse God of impartiality. No one can tell God, "You did not give me the opportunity to change" or accuse God by saying something like, "If you had not interfered in my life I would have served You."

If you god happened to be the true god, Muslims will accuse him of being partial by not making their parents to be christian so that they can inherit the true religion just like you. This is one among the thousand accusation of impartiality god will face that day.

God may already know what you would do but He lets you live your life so that you become solely responsible for your actions, to worship Him, curse Him, deny Him, love Him, hate Him, doubt Him....the choice is yours.

Yet he had to interfere with Pharaoh's freewill abi? Another point of note is that freewill will also be in heaven. So god will still be faced with same problem of sin

In essence, they are not a waste of time; rather they represent choices that remind us we are in control of our actions, not God.

But you believe Satan can tempt man? Isn't that Satan in control of our actions? So why will god allow Satan control man's freewill? And can god stop Satan from tempting man? If yes, isn't that interfering with Satan's freewill?

Zither:
Oga, whatever God does has already been planned even before He created the world. Since you don't know the past or the future of the world it is ignorance that makes you question His ways.

In 2 Timothy 1:9, the Apostle Paul wrote, "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"

In Jeremiah 1:5, God told the prophet, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations."

If God already knew everyone of us before we were conceived, and even before time began, then you should know that His actions have greater purpose and impact than what your imagination can understand.

If I understand you very well, you mean god already planned what will happen before creating the world?
You mean he already planned to make Satan tempt Adam and eve?
You mean he already planned to drown his own creation sin he already planned?
You mean god already planned the 1st and 2nd world war?
You mean god already planned the 4000 gods worshipped by humanity?
You mean god already planned to burn those who worshipped the 4000 gods in his plan?
You mean god already planned for those that will burn in hell for eternity?
You mean a loving god sat down and drafted all these evil plans for humanity?

If god already have a plan, doesn't that make your prayers useless? Since if your prayer request isn't in the plan, such prayer is redundant and won't be answered. And if your request is already in the plan, such prayer is futile because such request will be granted whether you pray or not.

Besides, the Bible did not say God destroyed the world to usher in a sinless generation... Really? Even after the death of Jesus Christ the world is still not sinless let alone the time before He came which is thousands of years in distance.

Go and read your bible again. God destroyed the world because he found the man sinful. What outcome then does god expect at then end of the flood? A sinful generation too? If so then he only did the flood just for the fun.

God instructed the killing of Idol worshippers so that He would be the only God worshipped today.... Again, really?
Do you know that putting anything before God is idolatry? You don't necessarily have to carve an image and bow to it to term it idolatry. Why didn't God kill such people? gods carved with wood or stone or myth does not change the fact that there is no god besides God.

He had already mentioned that he is a jealous god, and no other god should be worshipped except him. Therefore instructing the killing of those worshipping other gods imply what? That he wants to be the only one worshipped! Common sense bro.

Maybe you have pretended to be ignorant on the fact that there are many converts to different religions everyday: Muslims to Christians, Christians to Muslims, Christians to Judaism, Buddhists to Muslims or Christians...and the list goes on. Everyone has heard about Jesus the Son of God whether you were born into Christianity or not.....speaking about our computer age time. It is up to you to accept Him or reject Him - your choice but you can never claim ignorance of Him.

There are over 7billion people here in the world with over 4000 gods. Tell me now, how many of the 4000 gods do you know? OK, you get it. Next time don't assume everyone have heard about your imaginary Jesus. Meanwhile, that is not the point. The point is: if Jesus have paid for their sins, why do they have to pay for it again in hell?

God never fails because He is the One who wields success and failure.... He sees and knows what you can never see or know

OK, but he regretted creating man (Gen.6:6). Why? Because he didn't know they will disappoint him. This also answers the first point above because a god who had planned before creating the earth would know no regret. Or did he also plan his own regret?

hisgrace090:
God gives man freedom to decide what to do, but advice him to do good for his own good

Det,30:19

He is a truthful God because he that some will default and promise to punish them accordingly.

Despite the huge fight against crime in the world today, crime continues. But that will not permit one to say that world effort in crime fighting is yielding negative result.

We are still saying the same thing. Despite all god's efforts, he still ends up getting the opposite of what he wants. Again, if god cannot perfectly execute his plan to yield positive results, then he is also faced with the same limitation as man. So why call him god in the first place?