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Nma27:
No idea

she's cool. I like ladies on lowcut

Nma27:
They abandoned it during the enlightenment era, where d knowledge of science created more solution than theology.

who is that on you profile?

felixomor:
Actually
You are the only one using ad hominems on this thread.
An opening argument is not ad hominem

People are likely to see only what they want to see.

I raise an argument, he used ad hominem.

If I start by saying all robbers are criminals that is not ad hominem. But when a robber replies saying i'm ignorant, then that's ad hominem. That is a perfect example of what happens here. But since you have chosen what to see and what not, you won't see the truth.

felixomor:
addressed with what?
Argumentum ad hominems?

yeah, that was intentional. An argumentum ad hominem sometimes should be addressed with same. Though not my thing

felixomor:
Try to address the topic of the thread.

topic fully addressed but not to a layman's understanding

Christians and theists have killed over 2 billion people


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXUxMng7Mbk

KingEbukaNaija:
The view that god/gods is/are evil is dystheism NOT Theism .

Please carry your ignorance commot from here .

this statement is like saying the view that god is three-in-one is Trinity NOT theism.

Your badmouthing is not new to me na. You self you know. And when you start such, I know what it implies.

KingEbukaNaija:
The view that god/gods is/are evil is dystheism NOT Theism .

Please carry your ignorance commot from here .

similarly, the view that atheism is evil is called fallacy of composition NOT atheism

Derogatory words is not my thing but I needed it just on this thread to create similar fallacy like the op, who should have been busy looking for his lost god or at least prove it's existence than creating fallacious threads

Say no to theism. Say no to an evil god that kills his own creation
Their evil god was the first in history to solely carry out mass murder.

But they prefer to look the other way and shove that under the carpet. Wicked god shepherding wicked and biased set of fraudsters

Theist follow the steps of their teachers who are gay and paedophiles. Therefore all theist are sodomy and paedophiles

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bishops

The greatest form of fraud and extortion is done by theists through collection of tithes. Theists are fraudsters!

All slave traders are theist cos their so called holy book supports slavery

All terrorist are theists. Theism is evil

How can one person kill millions of people? You can't do that throughout your life time.
Those men didn't do the killings themselves. There are men that did it, and majority are theist!

Killing is bad whether done by theist or atheist.

The Christians don't understand how an angel of G-d can try to seduce people to disobey G-d, so they came to the unsupported conclusion that Satan must have rebelled against G-d.

This is completely contrary to everything Judaism believes. We reject that interpretation entirely.

What, then, does Judaism teach about Satan?

Did you ever see the 1971 movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory? (It's one of the few examples of where a story from a book was changed for the screen without ruining the experience.) The story is about a very famous chocolate factory, called Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, that produces the world's greatest chocolates, candies -- confectionery in general. No one ever enters the factory, and no one ever leaves.

Mr. Wonka, the owner, runs a contest. The winners of the contest will be allowed to enter and tour the factory together. However, they will have to sign a contract and follow the rules. One of the rules is: no eating of any products inside the factory without express permission.

Afterwards, when they leave, they will go home with a lifetime supply of chocolate.That is, *IF* they follow the rules.

Five children win. They are of course all excited; TV stations and reporters interview them, and the whole world is excited with them. Now they just wait until the day they are to enter the factory and see the great wonders that no one else has ever been allowed to see.

Before the big day comes, each of the winners of the contest is secretly visited by a man named Arthur Slugworth, President of Slugworth Chocolates, Incorporated. Mr. Slugworth shows them a lot of cash, and tells them they will get all that money and more, if only they steal out of the factory a candy called an Everlasting Gobstopper. See, it hasn't been mass produced or marketed yet, and Wonka's competition wants to get an advance sample of this product so he can get it out first, and ruin Wonka.

The day comes, and all the kids are allowed into the factory with one adult relative. They see the most amazing sights, and eat the most amazing (and impossible to actually exist in real life) foods. One of the things Wonka gives each of the kids is an Everlasting Gobstopper, on the condition that they never show it to anyone else.

During the tour of the factory, four of the kids break the rules by taking stuff they should not have taken, and they all suffer the consequences. One gets all swollen up and blue from some gum she should not have taken, and they have to take her away and squeeze her until she gets skinny again. One of the kids jumps into a pool of chocolate and is sucked up into the pipes. And so on. They are all saved in the end, so don't worry, but they must leave the factory without the lifetime supply of chocolate, because they broke the rules.

Charlie, the main character, also breaks the rules. He drinks some Fizzy drink he was not supposed to take, but no one seems to know, so he doesn't say anything. He doesn't get hurt in the process, so he survives until the end of the tour.

At the end of the tour, Charlie Bucket and his grandfather are the only ones left. Mr. Wonka says good bye to them, and tells them to leave. Upset, Charlie asks him for the lifetime supply of chocolate. But Mr. Wonka has somehow found out that Charlie drank the Fizzy drink, and therefore broke the rules. Charlie will not be getting a lifetime supply of chocolate either.

Wonka yells at him for drinking the Fizzy drink, and Charlie feels bad. But his grandfather is angry, and he tells Charlie that they'll give Mr. Slugworth an Everlasting Gobstopper.

They are about to leave, when Charlie realizes that no matter how he feels, stealing and breaking rules is bad. So he goes to Mr. Wonka's desk and returns the Gobstopper to him.

Wonka sees that, and jumps up in delight! He tells Charlie that he has won! Charlie has no idea of what he's talking about. It seems that Wonka was looking to retire, and so he set up the contest to find an honest child he could train as his successor.

Then Wonka calls in Wilkinson, his aide. And Wilkinson is Slugworth! Slugworth was sent out to each of the children to test them! To see how they would respond. Anyone who either ate food he wasn't supposed to eat or brought a Gobstopper to Slugworth was dishonest, and would not become the successor. (Okay, the parable is not exact, but I think you get my point.) Notice, also, that Wonka himself gave each of the children a Gobstopper. So he himself set up the choice, and then gave them the opportunity to break the rule, using Wilkinsin to offer the temptation.

Christians take Slugworth at face value: a reprehensible competitor who will stop at nothing to undo Wonka. And that's how they view Satan.

Jews do not see it that way, and we never have. Just as Slugworth is really Wilkinson doing what Wonka asked him to do, Satan is also not working for himself.

The Hebrew word "Satan" means "Hinderer." To hinder someone means to hold him back, to try to prevent him from doing something. G-d created the Hinderer to give us work to do in this world. Satan is here to make things difficult for us, so we can overcome our evil temptations, and PASS the test. That is the purpose of Satan. Satan is an angel whose purpose has been determined by G-d.

Temptation is there to try and deter us. It gives us the ability to do the wrong thing. More importantly, it gives us the ability to look at evil and refuse to do it. By presenting us with the opportunity to do evil, it gives us the ability to choose between good and evil.

The ability to choose between good and evil is what gives us free will. (See my article On the Nature of Free Will.

So, in order for us to work for the good that Hashem wants to give us, the good of the World to Come, we need something to deter us. That is the ability to do evil. Satan is our Evil Inclination (Yetzer Hara). The Evil Inclination tries to prevent us from doing good, because Hashem has commanded the Evil Inclination to do that. Why? To give us free will.

Each of us every day fights with Satan. We all have temptations, throughout the day. But we, as the Children of Israel, have the power to overcome even angels, if we work at it. Therefore, the Talmud says that men are greater than angels, for we can fight with an angel (Satan) and win.

Satan is not, as the Christians think, a rebellious angel. How impossible! The angels are spiritual and holy, without any physical or unholy presence, and the presence of Hashem's holiness permeates them entirely. Angels, unlike humans, are therefore constantly and fully aware of Hashem's Presence everywhere. Could you stay dry in the ocean? An angel could not stop being holy, and can do no wrong. There is holiness everywhere in Creation, everywhere in the universe, and angels are made of the same thing. An angel could not stop serving G-d even if he tried.

Furthermore, humans have Satan to tempt us. Angels have no Satan to tempt them. Who would be Satan's Satan? An ultra-Satan?

The truth is that Satan has a job to do, just like every other angel. And angels have no free will. They do as Hashem commands them.

A man once came to a great Rabbi, very troubled. He said to the Rabbi, "Please pray to Hashem to take away my Evil Inclination. I do so many sins, and I want to stop sinning!"

The Rabbi answered, "Then what would be your purpose in this world, if you had no Evil Inclination? Your purpose in life is to overcome your personal Evil Inclination. That is what you were created for! Hashem has enough angels in heaven. He doesn't need one more. He created you human, so that you could improve yourself."

Humans can improve themselves, and that is their purpose in this world. Angels, however, cannot improve themselves. That's not their purpose. Angels are therefore said to be "standing." They cannot become better, and they cannot rise any higher than they are. They are, so to speak, standing.

Isaiah, when describing a Heavenly scene, says "Seraphim were standing around Him...." (Isaiah 6:2). (Seraphim are a type of angel.) Spiritually, angels are stuck at whatever level Hashem created them.

Humans are different. Humans can rise by improving themselves. For that reason, we are described as "walkers." Therefore the Prophet Zachariah told the High Priest, "This is what Hashem, L-rd of Hosts says: if you walk in My ways, and if you observe My safeguards, you and your sons after you will be the High Priests, and you and your sons will thus guard my Holy Temple, and I will make you walkers among these who are standing" (Zachariah 3:7).

In other words, Hashem was promising the High Priest that he and his children will be High Priests, and also will merit reward in the Afterlife, in the World of Souls, where righteous people go after death.

The Prophet Zachariah was saying that in the Next World they will be walkers among the standers, which means humans among angels.

So the angels are referred to as perpetually standing, but we are movers. Our purpose is to keep on moving, to keep on improving ourselves, and to keep on rising.

And how do we do it? By constant battle with the Evil Inclination.

So now we have to revise our understanding of Satan. Satan is not a fallen angel. Satan is merely an angel with a dirty job. Satan does not have a rival kingdom. Satan is not in competition with G-d, and Satan does not want followers or worshipers. He's not even happy when people obey him and sin.

Satan is the angel who tempts us, and the angel who prosecutes us in Heaven. He is also the Angel of Death. The angel who tries to make us sin is the same angel who accuses us in the Heavenly Court, and the same angel who carries out the death sentence.

So, no, Satan does not wear a red suit, or carry a trident. Nor does he wear a business suit. Satan is a force of evil in the world that we must resist. Satan most often appears as a desire within you. Of course, there is no shortage of things in the world to tempt us to sin.

And Satan has many "helpers," many of whom don't even know they are helping him. A shady-looking character in the street walks over to you and offers to sell you some stolen property, for example. He's not Satan. He's someone who has not resisted Satan, and has decided to do evil. He's now trying to tempt you to sin, but not because he wants you to sin per se. He personally has something to gain from your sinning.

Whenever a human being tries to tempt another person to sin, it's because he himself feels he can gain something from it. It may be simply that he doesn't want to sin alone. Or maybe he needs your help. Or maybe he just gets emotional satisfaction out of seeing you go against what you believe (in which case he is a very sick person, but unfortunately not unusual). There could be any number of motivations.

Likewise, the snake in the Garden of Eden was not Satan either, though confused Christians think it was. The snake had his own motivations, which I will not go into now. He was what the Torah calls a "Seducer," someone who, for whatever reason, tries to get other people to sin.

How does one recognize Satan? For that we need to live a Torah life. This means a host of things that work together. To mention a few: Torah study, spending quality and quantity time among Observant Jewish people, learning from Rabbis and other religiously developed Jewish people, periodic introspection, and actual self-development by means of performing the Mitzvos. It is difficult (if at all possible) to cite any of these as being more important than any of the others.

None of us are capable of destroying Satan. What we are expected and commanded to do is to gain the upper hand over our personal Satans. And Hashem helps us do this, constantly. The Talmud says that the Evil Inclination constantly attempts to destroy us spiritually, and Hashem constantly helps us and gives us the means with which to overcome our Evil Inclinations.

When this world comes to an end, and the Next World begins, the Day of Judgment will take place. After that, Satan's work will be done. There will no longer be sin, and there will no longer be death. All judgment will have been passed and performed. There will no longer be any need for a Tempting Angel, an Angel of Death, or a Prosecuting Angel. Satan will cease to exist. It will not be a sad day at all.

Nor will it be unfair treatment of Satan. It will be like turning off a machine. Angels are not like humans, with human emotions and desires. They exist merely to follow Hashem's instructions, for the greater glory of Hashem.

That's the reason we exist too -- to follow Hashem's instructions for the greater glory of Hashem. So Satan was created to struggle against us, and we were put into this world to struggle against Satan.

But that was not the purpose of our being created. When the struggle is over we will begin to receive the reward for having struggled. We will be brought in to the Next World, and the struggle will end.

That's when the good times will begin.

Source: http://www.beingjewish.com/basics/satan.html

hahn:
Come back to Christ to do what? Pay tithe? Enrich a pastorpreneur? Live in fear of and imaginary god's wrath? Make enemies of my family members because they are supposed to be against my progress? Blame the devil for my problems? Come to nairaland and defend my imagination like an e-diot? Make sense of a book that is full of crap?

For what exactly?

Precise summary of christianity in one single post. Damn it! This guy deserves a world record

analice107:
Did the Bible say the way to Christianity or the way to heaven?

Niether! It only says the broad way(christianity) leads to destruction, and the majority/many( christians) are taking that way

Because christianity being the greatest scam derives pleasure in bashing other religion (scammers).
Since the greatest scammer is pointing out the scams of other scammers, then they deserve bashing for their ignorance and hypocricy especially for not minding or verifying if other people's scam is less injurious than theirs.
We need to remove the log of wood in their eyes so they can see well to remove the grain of sand in others' eyes.

luvmijeje:
I'm beginning to see I'll have to go into another round of explanation. Cc adepeter26

This is what the OP wrote:


This is what the Bible said:

1.Then I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth
My question to both of you is, does standing and holding means the same to you?

Get the point clear. The argument is not STANDING or HOLDING, TOUCHING or KISSING , but FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH

Nwachiizu:
Yea. I have the mind of Christ my friend...

in essence your ways and thoughts are same as god's?

luvmijeje:
Goodluck and wish me Goodluck too.

I wish you buhari

Nwachiizu:
The broad or narrow way has nothing to do with your statistics attending church or not my friend. It simply means the commitment of living a holy life. God is not interested in quantity but in quality. You have just thought like a man but man's thought are not God's and his ways are not our ways.

my own thoughts are man's thought but yours are god's thought....continue

Richirich713:
Which is irreverent since Jesus never said he would have the least followers. Only that there would be few not many.

Did he say he will have the most? But he mad it know that his followers will take the narrow road....and they will be fewer

MuttleyLaff:
I mentioned a famous one you easily can recognise and acknowledge

You are living with Alice in Wonderland, if you believe that rastafarians are the few referred to in the bible

There other fews that didnt make the list you gleefully wand about

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
- James 1:27

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you.
- James 1:27

The bible, in James 1:27, as seen above, identifies clearly and definitely what religion is

I keep telling you, christian, is a misnomer

Is there any nigger today denying being a nigger?

Rastas are not the only few, there is.
Rastas being the fewest in your proffered list still dont qualify to be included among the few entering the small gate

Ask anyone to mention a rastafarian they start and end with few reggae musician. That data you see there is from wikipedia and we can both deduce from it that ratafarianism is the fewest. What other few are you seeing there that no one else is seeing? And who told you rastafarians dont care for orphans and widows in their distress?

Such act don't even need religion to execute but empathy

Richirich713:
My point was as I said before, Christ never claimed that "christianity" will have the least adherents."

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

If there's only 31% of Christians in the world that means only 31% found that path to life, meaning 68.5% didn't. Few found it, many didn't.

Ps, obviously I'm ignoring some complications (conversions, denominations etc)

The statistics you did for christianity, do same for Rastafarianism and you will obtain 0.01% against 99.99% which indeed represents more truth as regards to that bible portion

luvmijeje:
Read verse 2 emphasis on East. If you Still have any question let me know.

And how does that stop the earth from having four corners like my bedroom?

If you would like to know, my bed is located at the western path of my bedroom

luvmijeje:
I'm seeing 600,000 Rastafaris we still have to convince about Christ. That's still alot.

But you ain't seeing the 7.175 billion people that are not Rastafarian?

Go on, keep luring gullible ones to the broad way that leads to destruction.

The greater burden still lies on the Rastafarians in converting 2.2billion people who's chosen the broad way

MuttleyLaff:
Because someone decides to call you a nigger, doesnt mean you too answer to being called a nigger
You are using a misnomer, the disciples, apostles never themselves called each other christians

The bible said a few enter...
If it had said the fewest enter, although very very unlike, then maybe rastas would stand a chance

Did they deny being christians? or is any christian today denying being christian?

Are rastas not few enough?

Richirich713:
Below

99.99%

Richirich713:
That's 68.5% of people who are not christians.

Where the op gets the idea that christ meant "Christianity" will have the fewest adherents compared to other religions, I don't know since Christ said no such thing.

How many percent are not Rastafarians?