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MuttleyLaff:
Sin and Human beings
Necessity is the mother of invention
Sin; difficult problem(s) & situation(s) inspires ingenious solution(s); Man

SMH
Disobedience was activated or triggered the moment the fruit was eaten
Remember that the command was ''thou shall not eat...''

You're clutching straws mate,
because there was no stipulated consequence for disobeying God's instruction to name all the animals

Refusing to obey the command not to eat the fruit is the disobedience
Man failed his integrity test

I'll give you the ''God created man sinless until the forbidden fruit was consumed'' part
but challenge you, to reproduce here, anywhere from the bible, where and at any time, God said He ever, created man perfect

@bolded, well, if you tell me god created man imperfect, then the concept of original sin does not hold cos this makes man a sinner by default.

Forget about consequence of naming animals. There must not be consequence before you term an action as disobedience. If god ask Adam to name animals, and Satan ask him not to, is that obedience or disobedience?

Adam as well have equal tendency of disobeying god in any other way whether there is a consequence or not. Well, you have agreed that god didn't create them perfect. If so, I can rest my case. Else you tell me why a perfect human should have that tendency of committing sin by default.

Refusing to obey the command not to eat the fruit is the disobedience
Man failed his integrity test

Everyone knows refusal to obey is disobedience. You are only playing with words. The question there is was it disobedience to god's command that made man eat the fruit or was it the consequence of eating the fruit that brought about disobedience?

Also, if Satan had tempted man to disobey god in other regards aside from eating the forbidden fruit, are you saying man wouldn't have disobeyed?

Josephjnr:
Man recreated himself. Don't ask me how just know that there is not explanation to anything in religion. Just believe dis.

We are familiar with the genesis account of the original sin which made us believe that sin originated after Adam and Eve must have consumed the fruit from the forbidden tree.

If one should carry out a proper analysis of this story, one would realise that man was inclined to committing sin even before eating the forbidden fruit. Reason being that the act of disobedience came in first before the consumption of the fruit. Meaning there was an inclination of committing sin even before the fruit was eaten.

It also means that there is equal tendency of Adam to disobey god as well when he was instructed to name all the animals had it been Satan also tempted him not to.

In conclusion,

Disobedience (sin/imperfection) made man eat the fruit

and NOT

eating the fruit that made man disobey.

Why then do Christians say god created man perfect/sinless until the forbidden fruit was consumed when there is that tendency for man to do anything against god when tempted by the devil?

Niflheim:
ERROR NUMBER 9: What do you mean by the "plant knowing the diet of the rats? Is the plant a Chef at Federal Palace Hotel? It is written boldly in the article that the rodents are attracted to the sweet nectar!!! So if I suddenly shit in the cassava field and the flies gather, you will ask me, "EGBON!!! BUT HOW YOU TAKE KNOW SAY FLY LIKE SH*T PASS?!!!"

ERROR NUMBER 10: I will summarize your entire post with one single sentence:...................................................."I NEVER KNEW THAT PLANTS HAD SENSORY ORGANS"!!!

bwahahahaha.... You cracked me up with ERROR 9.

I like eating corn.

No one should tell me there is no god, else how did corn plant ffcuking knows that I love corn so much? It knows my diet mehn!

ruffbamreal:
Just a question for you OP! Can God answer a doubted mind's prayers?

sorry, I believe neither in any god nor prayers

Oladat:
@op,in a nutshell you are saying that there is no voodoo,right?If so,please where are you.I am in Ibadan,if you can spare spare sometime out of your busy schedule to come down to Ibadan.We can organise a little show with some volunteers from nairaland to come witness it.There is a guy here,if he hits you with an amulet,you won't stand up until he gives you the antidote.If you doubt it,let's put this together.

some people a specially trained to know the weak point of human body. Just like martial artists, the study the human anatomy, so they know where to hit you to either weaken you or make you faint. You also need to verify if those people he used to display his tricks are actually not stooges. Just pm me, I will send you my phone number. I must not come to Ibadan before he can perform he juju. Abi can't juju work without contact again? He can send ghost or demons to my house, can't he do that?

ochoa:
Chai I bn dey reason like the op b4... But mehn I saw somethings live during my IT days... *Seeing is believing bro*...I won't argue further #nuffsaid

anything you saw have an explanation. I could help you if you mind to share

My land is just lying fallow. They should drop the price so one can build in peace.

rbernaldo2:
Ok.. oo taking wikipedia anyone can edit seriously? and none of the partcipant came from africa yet.. shows little amount of people in africa are aware..

India was among the countries where this prize was hosted. And we all know India for their prowess in juju . India of all places! Yet no one claimed the prize. If you are not OK with wikipedia page, there are 55 references on that page which you could read through as well.

Adiwana:
For the sake of clarity or will i say just saying something about the issue of vodoo being real or not,i will like to just drop a piece(still not going to change a thing about perceptions)
''Belief'' is a very complex word.its usually two sided.That we believe in Law of motion of today is because almost every postulation or theory that makes up science was derived from Newton seeing an apple fall from a tree(though this single act is being applied in science today),a lot of questions are asked but no solutions but we keep on applying them everyday.One can really argue on whether acceleration due to gravity value is really9.81 cos when i throw anything up i dont really see the value we keep on applying it everyday in engineering as we know it today.That the general believe that earth is round is just theories.We have not really gone to space to see and believe the earth is round.That people travel to the moon could be all lies as we know it.

Bottom line is if we are to disbelieve the existence of a lot things because we are yet to experience them,then we are going to believe in nothing

constants like g=9.81, pi=3.142 were all proven and applied and have shown consistency. I have proven past that pi=3.142

Several satellite photograph of earth and eclipse are enough proof earth is round and its consistency have always been constant

Those who went to moon took photographs as proof. And scientific data obtained have also showed consistencies in them.

Those who did odeshi, tell me if the never got killed. Babalowo only shot them with plastic bullets but when real bullets came, they got killed. Anything that lacks this consistency should be questioned about its efficacy/existence

rbernaldo2:
according to the link, it has all been claimed..

Check the table again. This time around take a close look at the column labelled Claimed? .
What did you see written in each row of that column? Yes or No?

OLUJOSHINS:
The fact that Your fellow scientist decided to create a department of Paranormal should be enough proof to you that there is a world beyond their understanding.


Americans will continually deny the existence of a spiritual world cos they don't want to believe that hell is real.

don't fall for their cheap tricks.

the fact that no one have successfully claimed the prize for decades is enough evidence that paranormal doesn't exists. Well, I don't believe in hell either.

We can't keep relying on hearsays and anecdotal evidence for the proof of any phenomenon.

You guys saying juju is real, why not ask your juju men to seize this opportunity to claim the prize for the proof/evidence of paranormal (under controlled condition) which no one has claimed for decades?

There are over 30 of such prizes on this link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal . Some even worth up to a million dollar.
This is a golden opportunity for all your babalawos and juju men to become rich instead of them collecting chicken change to deceive you people with simple magic tricks

@Adiwana, OLUJOSHINS, HarunaWest, majekdom2, Ups01

Adiwana:
And what are the principles if i may ask

we magicians to expose the secret of our trade. Except you wan to be one

Adiwana:
ok,the white man called it tricks and you believe in 'magic tricks' but when the blACK Man calls it vodoo,you dont believe in it.As i said,theres nothing no one can tell you that will make you believe unless you experience it first hand

I have experienced magic tricks firsthand and I do perform myself. So I know principles of some of the tricks used by our so called juju priests.

Adiwana:
i can go on and on telling you about incidences,personal experience(Not told or hersay) but whatever i tell you/you are going to be told is going to be worthless cos your mind is made up.The only thing that can convince you is experience

all those things are magic tricks. Even white people perform worse on stage yet they call them tricks

OLUJOSHINS:
Visit the igala tribe in kogi state.

tell them that there is no such thing as terrestrial powers.

sit back and experience something science can not explain.

THIS EXPERIMENT MIGHT BE FATAL.

connect me to one of them please

edicied:
Can we please meet this your Friend i hope he is not Imaginary i mean his voodoo will be greatly appreciated in the Military and your friend is about to become a billionaire!! do you know how many lives would be saved with a charm like that Soldiers don't have to risk their lives in war again we just send one invisible guy to the the job

you are wicked!

**modified**
Those quoting me saying juju is real, why not ask your juju men to seize this opportunity to claim the prize for the proof/evidence of paranormal (under controlled condition) which no one has claimed for decades?

There are over 30 of such prizes on this link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal . Some even worth up to a million dollar.
This is a golden opportunity for all your babalawos and juju men to become rich instead of them collecting chicken change to deceive you people

adepeter2027:
Lol

You're chatting to an oldie of NL.

Lol

I have always being a skeptic even when I was into religion. I had a turbulent upbringing and my idea about life is that of doubt and suspicion. I never trust anything. When you grow up in rural African, it is almost impossible not to believe in voodoo. Even obtaining a PhD in science related discipline may not help you erase this skewed belief from your brain.

I was in Senior Secondary School 2 at that time. I knew much about the impotence and uselessness of voodoo, I never believed it for a second. Afterall I went through some tutelage in herbal concoction and voodoo in the hands of my maternal grandfather. I knew vodoo was nothing but charade and twist of reality.

The common discussion among we the senior boys then usually centered on girls and voodoo. If it not about how to toast that beautiful classmate of yours, it was about how to use voodoo to pass exams. Such is the life in rural Africa! But I was different. I was only interested in the girls' talk and not the voodoo aspect.

My friends and some family members nicknamed me "Mr science" because I would always find a logical explanation to whatever point they could raise. But a time came that my friends teamed up to "'prove" to me that voodoo was real. So they called me to advertise a man that was unbeatable in voodoo in our village at that time. They challenged me to go for any voodoo of my choice. We arranged to visit the old man. There were varieties of voodoo at his disposal. There was a charm for fighting( Aluwo in Yoruba language), I didn't need that because I hate fighting. There was Memory booster charm(ogun isoye). I didn't need that idea. I was leading the class in every subject. Then there was "touch and follow" (amudo) charm. That was it! That was my choice.

There had been this beautiful girl that I was eyeing but my taciturnity and shyness wouldn't allow me talked to her. So my friends decided I use her for the guinea-pig to prove the potency of the "touch and follow" charm. We went to the voodoo man. After the usual show off and self-praised he handed me the ring which he instructed that I should LovePeddler on my middle finger and touch the woman of my choice. He boasted that anyone I touched, must follow me instantly. We went home. We waited for the right time to see the girl, for we dare not go into their compound. Her father was fire!

The right opportunity came calling when my friend pointed to Bose(I changed her name) coming from the stream with bucket of water on her head. Quickly we rearranged, strategised and manoeuvred. My friends went the other way while I conered her at slim path. "Hello Bose where are you coming from", I managed to utter these words as my heart was already in my mouth. Before she could look back to response, I touched her bottom with the ring as instructed. The humiliation I got next was beyond description. She emptied the water completely on my head immediately accompanied with two fast slaps. My eyes where cleared. I was drenched. I wanted to abscond from the scene but Bose did the worst. She held me and screamed. Almost instantly the people gathered. She narrated how I touched her bottom. That was a great offense!

Well the rest is story. Moma's 7 lashes were not as painful as the jest and laughter coming from my classmates. We went to the voodoo man the evening of the second day to complain how his "medicine" bleeped up. The baba threatened to turn us into chicken. He sent us away. I won anyway.

Although humiliated, but I was able to once again prove to people around me that voodoo does not work. But you need a skeptical and inquisitive mind to find out.

This is just one of the many encounters i have had about the falsehood and deceit in voodoo. And don't ever import the "No true Scotsman Fallacy" into this by telling me that i have never met a real juju man. Don't tell me real juju men don't do fake voodoo. All voodoo are fake.

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spacetacular:
Can you show me the correction you gave to me and my error? When did stating an observation require a correction when the one being observed had repeatedly shown the observation as true?

Maybe in your part of the world observations are termed as insults but where I am they are not! People take them, learn, improve/change and try not to have such observations made of them again.

if you are confident enough to insult someone why can't you be proud to accept it than hiding under the guise of "observation"? People like you will call someone fool, idiot, slowpoke, retard, etc and call it observation. Any form of insult or ad hominem can be labelled as observation or which ever name you want to call it. I'm not perturbed anyway, each time I see ad hominem I don't see insult but an egocentric way of backing out or accepting defeat.

spacetacular:
Illiteracy isn't an insult but an observation. If you still think I am wrong then my observation stands true.

you want to correct someone but you don't want to be corrected. I understand you are ashamed to accept your wrong. It's normal with someone who makes a blunder while trying to correct someone. I'm not here to ridicule you or condemn you nor call you illiterate cos of that. If you call me an illiterate just for correcting you, I accept that I am one if this would help massage your ego. If you have other names to call me base on observation like you said, I accept all of them in advance. Anything to make you happy. But I'm glad you have learnt something today

spacetacular:
Illiteracy isn't an insult but an observation. If you still think I am wrong then my observation stands true.

Same here

spacetacular:
Stop showing off illiteracy and being proud of it. "THEIR" is a plural subject so you need a plural verb to qualify it. The plural verb is DO and not DOES.

You would have seen your mistake if you had put the subjects first in the sentence thus.

THEIR ACTIONS, DO/DOES THEY LOOK FAMILIAR?

the answer is THEIR ACTIONS, DO THEY LOOK FAMILIAR?

Which shows I am right and you are terribly wrong.

it's OK face the topic. Appealing to insults does not make you right.

spacetacular:
It is DO and not DOES. We learn everyday.

All possessive pronouns apply DOES

DOES My
DOES Your
DOES Their
DOES His/Her

Well, let's face the topic and not derail the thread anymore

spacetacular:
For someone who copied word for word from that website and only added the last sentence "Does their actions sound familiar?" Yet did not know that it should have been DO instead of DOES and it should also have been LOOK instead of SOUND since you are talking about actions and not words so it should have been DO THEIR ACTIONS LOOK FAMILIAR?

based on my written observation I could say that your conclusion was arrived at due to either illiteracy or an inability to comprehend issues based on a deliberate hatred for Religion.

Hate does blind one from reality of their own flaws such as I have pointed out here.

no choice but to clutch on straws. Why not go to education section and show yourself? It is DOES by the way. But I wont count that on you. English is not our mother tongue and not a yardstick to judge one's intelligence. I do make mistakes even in my local language. The most important thing is to communicate which he did flawlessly and effectively.

Babalawos:
Ikú solves the mystery of Death. Ikú is death in the sense of loss of emí or life sustaining breath, the end of terrestrial life but unlike Egúngún, it was one of the beings in Òrun that came to Aiyé.

Ikú was assigned the task of ending peoples life. The great difference between these beings are also understandable through the Òdù Ifá, where Ikú manifest in the family of Òdú related to Oyekun while Egúngún manifested in the Òdù Oturupon Méji.

Ikú further has a very different role in creation than Egúngún.

Ikú is an Irúnmalè from the left side and consequently in the strict sense and ebora in the sense of being a “child” of these spirits.

Like them, he is a warrior and is represented by a òpá or Kùmòn, the symbol that also makes a part of the emblems of Obàlúaiyé.

The Kùmòn is a packet in the shape of club approximately 30 cm, in all, sometimes with a head carved from this full wood that vaguely is representing a cranium.

It is at the same time an emblem powerful and dangerous as it serves to kill…

He is not found in any fixed place but is roaming around everywhere in the world to do his work…

Ikú is deeply related to the origin of the human race on earth:

“When Olórun was looking for a suitable material to create human beings, all the ebora went to look for it.

They brought different things but none of them were suitable. They went to take the mud but it cried and shed tears. None of the ebora would then take a bit of it.

But Ikú Òjègbè-Alàsó-Òna came out and took a bit of the mud – eerúpé – and was not merciful to its weeping.

He took it to Olódúmaré who asked Òrísàlá and Olùgama to mould it and He himself breezed into it.

But Olódùmarè said to Ikú that, because he was the one who took out a bit of mud, he will have to replace it there anytime – that is why Ikú takes us back to mud each time.

Thank you for reading, leave a comment

Babalawos

Hehehehe, babalawos are you sure you want my comments?

NPComplete:
What a load of horseshit. U don't even know Aramaic. I repeat, those who wrote the bible at the time of Jesus told us he said what he said. No amount of linguistic dishonesty u use can change that

imagine the load of crap he posted just to make a simple verse suit his fantasies

MuttleyLaff:
Be strong and courageous.
Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you;
he will never leave you nor forsake you."
- Deuteronomy 31:6

"The LORD is the one who goes ahead of you;
He will be with you. He will not fail you or forsake you.
Do not fear or be dismayed."
- Deuteronomy 31:8

No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life.
Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you.
I will not leave you or forsake you
- Joshua 1:5

Then David said to his son Solomon,
"Be strong and courageous, and act; do not fear nor be dismayed, for the LORD God, my God, is with you.
He will not fail you nor forsake you until all the work for the service of the house of the LORD is finished
- 1 Chronicles 28:20

chemystery, funny how obvious it is that you didnt painstakingly go over every line of the content I posted because if you did, you would have noticed and registered where I put forward as fact that Jesus is fully aware of Deuteronomy 31:6, Deuteronomy 31:8, Joshua 1:5 and 1 Chronicles 28:20 reproduced above, to not have used that strong "forsaken" word in the manner or way, that the translators want to lead all, to believe, is what and how He uttered the words

Since "Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani" is in Aramaic,
if Jesus meant "forsaken", He would have uttered "Eli, Eli, lama, Nashatani"
where ''Nashatani" is the Aramaic for forsaken
and if He did use ''Nashatani", then "Eli, Eli, lama, Nashatani" would mean "My God, My God, why hath Thou forsaken Me"

but no, Jesus, didnt use 'Nashatani", He used ''Sabachthani" hence the famous dying words:
Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani"

Neither God or His presence, at any time left Jesus

It is worth noting, that, Jesus deliberating DID NOT quote Psalms 22:1 verbatim, blindly or directly
but consciously changed or switched language and used the Aramaic "sabachthani",
so as to make the distinction from the Aramaic "nashatani"

"nashatani" and "sabachthani" are both Aramaic
"Nashatani" is the Aramaic word for the Hebrew word "azabtani", where in Psalms 22:1 it is correctly translated as the English word "forsaken"
If Jesus had wanted to say He was forsaken by God, then Jesus would have used "nashatani" and not "sabachthani"

This is a simple and very good question

Jesus called His Father, My God, instead of My father, simply, because He was paraphrasing the beginning of Psalm 22 (i.e. Psalm 22:1)
just like He paraphrased the end of Psalm 22 (i.e Psalm 22:31) too.

Now, chemystery, I am going to give you a venturesome proposal,
without holding back, define God for me, with the full force of all your understanding.

Lol @ Jesus is fully aware. Jesus told you he is abi?
It all good, now I know the bible does not mean what it said but it said what you guys mean. No wonder there are many faction of Christianity simply because one wants to agree the bible means what it said. Everyone wants to interprets it to suit their fantasies

UnchangeableGod:
The Father is God. The Son is equally God. The Holy Spirit is equally God - but that does not imply three Gods. This is a theological term called Trinity. The Father Himself called the Son "God" (Hebrews 1:. While on earth, Christ was fully man and had to subordinate and subject Himself to the authority of the Father. (Philippians 2:5-. He did so willingly and for a purpose. One is that since He, as our Perfect Example did so, we who are inferior mortals should be humble and subject ourselves to the overriding will of God in all things. Thanks.

You are saying Yahweh is the god of Jesus who is also a god? So gods do have god(s).
Thanks, it makes sense now

MuttleyLaff, funny how you accepted all Jesus said except that line. I have seen how much time you spent to twist the bible to make sure it doesn't mean what it said rather in summary, just like mzhorlah, you are telling us it said what you guys mean.

My God, My god, why have your presence left me ____ mzhorlah
My god, my god, this is why you kept me _____ MuttleyLaff

I am waiting for Amberon11 and other self acclaimed bible students to give us their own twist in translation/interpretation.

P.S
MuttleyLaff, I also want you to explain why Jesus called his father My God instead of My father. Since both of them are gods. I didn't mention this point earlier else you would have twisted it with you initial post to come up with "My father, My father....." instead of "My god, my god...."

nicerichard05:
I saw it at Sony shop for 115k then also at another shop close to sony at 125k. the cheapest i got was frm cash nd carry 105k. pls were can i get a lesser price. thanks

check on jumia. Meanwhile, I bought mine at Spar. You can look for any spar outlet near you