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 Politics › Re: No be to shout VAT! VAT!! Will your state survive VAT? by chigator2: 9:03am On Sep 28, 2021 |
Brimstone77:richmond500 a Zombie indeed. This guys their hate can't just be hidden, the more they try to sound platonic the more it slips out. He capitalized lmo and tagged Ipob equating with Almajiri as if Igbos ever begged from whatever insignificant group he belongs. Irony that this sentiment is likely coming from people who claimed abandoned properties and businesses belonging to others after Civil War. Shameless |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Killed People, So How Can He Be Good? by chigator2: 6:25pm On Sep 21, 2021*. Modified: 6:59pm On Sep 21, 2021 |
haekymbahd:Hold it a bit. You are getting things mixed up. You are confusing religion for Christianity. You mentioned a lot of horrible perpetrated by various Christian groups and Organizations which are true to the fact. Now let's differentiate Religion from Christianity. Of all you mentioned including the slavery of fellow humans, invasion and subjugation of people and their lands, forced conversion and arbitrary murder. Can any of these acts be supported by the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ or that of his earliest apostles and followers. NO!! You won't find an instance where Jesus or the Apostles encouraged or engaged in any of these acts. Now the term Christian was coined in Antioch in reference to those who acted or behaved like Christ. Therefore if someone deviates from the exemplary lifestyle of Christ, he or she and their actions can never be affiliated with true Christianity. Religion on the other hand fuses true faith with human politics and cultures, a mixture that can never preserve the integrity of true Christianity. So your points are invalid points and can't count. Now, If I was to present my case as you did, lo and behold it will be valid because Muhammad, the last prophet was a Slave Owner, a Raider, a Warlord and Invader who was killed by one of his prisoners of war . His earliest apostles too followed suit even to the point of assassinating themselves. So you can clearly differentiate Religious Extremists from true Christianity. Islam on the other hand cannot be separated from Religious Extremism from the originator down to modern day believers |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Killed People, So How Can He Be Good? by chigator2: 4:45pm On Sep 21, 2021 |
haekymbahd:Don't be Ignorant. The Ottoman Empire was invading Christian Lands so the Roman Catholic Church funded military campaigns to respond to Islamic aggression as always in those regions. Turkey was once the Christian Byzantine Empire before it fell to the Ottoman Empire who made it their Crown Jewel. The Crusaders were defeated there. So don't equate the noble Crusaders with your whatever. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Killed People, So How Can He Be Good? by chigator2: 11:36am On Sep 21, 2021 |
IJOBA11 and haekymbahd |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Killed People, So How Can He Be Good? by chigator2: 9:11am On Sep 21, 2021 |
Shimran:Does this world look like a just one to you. If so, Corrupt politicians would have lived short lives and died shameful deaths but rather it's the good poor guys that are dieing due to poverty. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Killed People, So How Can He Be Good? by chigator2: 3:06am On Sep 21, 2021*. Modified: 9:12am On Sep 21, 2021 |
haekymbahd:We meet again. Okay let's agree according to you, Jesus is a murderer, and according to Christians Muhammad is a murderer. We have a tie here and need a tie breaker. Ok, Let's look at modern precedents and statistics. Which religion specializes in Organized Institutionalized Terrorism. ISLAM !! You guys beat the Terrorism Index by huge margins . In every continent, The natural violent tendencies of Islam and Muslims rears it's ugly head. For benefit of doubt, let's consider Asia, a region unoccupied by " Western Powers " so that we can isolate baseless claims of " Oppression and Occupation". In Asia, Islamic Terrorism is a major threat with ugly incident in recent years. Bombay and Mumbai Bombings in India, Sri Lanka Church bombing in 2019. Even Indonesia, the country with largest Muslim population ruled and governed by Muslims yet there is the threat of Islamic Terrorism. A threat from "Christian Terrorism" is basically non-existent in such a critical country. Even Socialist China is forced to violate human rights inorder to control Islam before it manifest it's true colors. National Security first. Coming back home, we don't need to remind ourselves of the same Muslims who kill and maim muslims and Non-muslims as if it was part of God's revelation to Muhammad. It is a disgrace that nowadays Muslims are still in the denial phase, denying that terrorists are true Muslims, denying that these terrorists were not brainwashed not with a Bible in a Church but with a Quran in a Mosque. When will we all concede that Islam in it's entirety is Terrorism Objectified ?? |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Killed People, So How Can He Be Good? by chigator2: 2:44am On Sep 21, 2021 |
Shimran: IJOBA11: haekymbahd:Just take a look at grown men defending Institutionalized Terrorism. Take time to examine Muhammad's motive for taking the first life ? Was it an act of self-defence ? NO !! Was it to execute Justice ? NO !! Was it to maintain Peace ? NO !! He just had one agenda, confront, defeat and convert the Unbelievers. A pure maniac. That was how Islam started from him and spread to the rest of the world. From the Abu Bakr to Ottoman Empire to the Bornu Kingdom in Nigeria here. Usman Dan Fodio was hosted by generous Indigenes. Unprovoked, he and his wild dogs turned on the Indigenes, subjugated them and converted them. They did this up to Kwara thus infecting the erstwhile progressive Yoruba nation. God had to intervene and give the Western world the upper hand, enough to demolish the Ottoman Empire. If not this barbaric people would have done the worst. Why will Muhammad go on a killing and looting spree just because the Unbelievers rejected his doctrine and banished him for constituting nuisance. They inflicted no bodily harm on him yet he chose to pay them back in the Devil's fashion, A typical career terrorist. If you can't convince them, kill them. What sort of barbaric of logic. Tomorrow when a brainwashed Muslim sees Non-muslims succeeding and dominating life, applying the same logic , they go on Jihad. Then the stupid terrorist and the silent sympathisers ( 70% of Muslims like the guys above) will justify their petty envy with claims that the victims are sinners or some bs. Keep defending Terrorism, soon it will consume you whole ask your colleagues in Syria, Afghanistan and Nigeria. 3 Likes |
| Politics › Re: BREAKING! Igbo Richest Man Is Dead by chigator2: 2:00am On Sep 21, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:When did Oil Well become synonymous to South-South. Get Updated boy. South-East is an active Oil and Gas producer. 42 Likes 1 Share |
| Politics › Re: If Ebonyi And South East States Can't Do Without VAT How Would They Survive In B by chigator2: 5:12pm On Sep 18, 2021 |
Jamesbally:How can I take you serious about your hatred for Igbos when you and your people have not started driving Igbos out of your community. The phrase " Unity of Nigeria is non-negotiable " should be paraphrased to " Unity with Igbos is non-negotiable "  Unity beggars 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 9:30am On Sep 18, 2021 |
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| Politics › Re: Top 5 Destination Of Capital Investments In Nigeria 2020 by chigator2: 7:06am On Sep 18, 2021 |
Jamesbally:. ooh Jamesbally we meet again. What pains you about Igbos succeeding. See what hate can cause. Tueehh ... Tommorow they will call us children of hate. You didn't see Niger. |
| Politics › Re: If Ebonyi And South East States Can't Do Without VAT How Would They Survive In B by chigator2: 6:08am On Sep 18, 2021 |
Jamesbally:. Is that why the handicap Giant of Africa is fighting us from going our own way ?? Protest for Igbos to be kicked out so that you can finally find food to eat. Let us see how it will go in the end. Small minds 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: If Ebonyi And South East States Can't Do Without VAT How Would They Survive In B by chigator2: 6:02am On Sep 18, 2021 |
JohnSin97:Until little minded Africans broaden their mindset, physical boundaries will remain their limitation. Human Resources and Network outperform Natural Resources time after time. God for saw it and willed it that way. Everywhere you go, our network cable is submerged. Keep waiting for us to die so that you can eat. Poor fellow. Attached picture below. Switzerland is a landlocked country about 22 times smaller than your giant " Nigeria ". Yet Switzerland literally controls global commodity trade remotely. Capital can never be landlocked We don't need to live in the Homeland before we identify ourselves, talk about Jews. Take it easy bro, Hate kills 1 Like
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| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 6:57pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Alhajiemeritus:Don't let sentiment block reasoning. I said the Wikipedia article contained citations from notable Muslim scholars, scriptures and biographies. Here are some of them attached below. I understand that you are a nominal Muslim or a hypocrite but more devout and learned ones in your class can attest to the fact that Muhammad fought battles and raided caravans. " We used to fight along with the prophet " Sahih al-Bukhari
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| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 5:30pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Alhajiemeritus:One of my pieces of evidence is this Wikipedia page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim-Meccan_Conflict ) contributed by Muslim scholars with citations of various Islamic religious books and biographies. You can Google it by typing Early Muslim-Meccan Conflict. Your Muslim scholars claimed he did it to weaken Medina economically but I am certain he did it out of the nature of an aggressive thief and to feed his hungry jobless followers, who left their livelihoods to follow a fake prophet. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 5:22pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Alhajiemeritus:Did Muhammad kill anybody in his lifetime ?? Did Muhammad ever cure someone's disease, change their life and resurrect life ?? Did Muhammad's successor have a power struggle that resulted in the assassination of Caliph Ali If you answer YES for the first question, NO for the second question, and YES for the last one, then I know you are a hypocrite or practicing taqiyya |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 5:17pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:Don't quote me again bro I will not reply. I am serious. Sorry to say you are not reasoning at all. How will you say facing a fixed direction is not a physical limitation. If you can not face anywhere or stay in any posture to pray that constitutes a physical limitation. You keep mentioning Bible verses that scolds Jerusalem, now I'm asking did the bible tell Christians/Jews to stop worshipping in Jerusalem and relocate to Mecca and continue worship ?? Please think or stop disturbing me. Idolatry is a sin. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 5:10pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:I already showed you the books of Exodus in the Bible drafted from the Torah where God instructed the Jews not to bow before any graven image of things on the surface or below the earth. He also never gave Abraham any directive ( in the Bible and Torah ) to pray facing any particular altar or direction, bowing or standing. The jews facing the temple is not something ordained by God probably a tradition that Muhammad later plagiarized. The Jerusalem temple never existed in Abraham's lifetime ( The patriarch of the Jews ) so where did God ordain him to face during prayer? Use logic, please. God telling Muhammad to turn to the qiblah is a commandment that contradicts the command against Idolatry which he instructed. So Satan is behind that not the true God. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 5:00pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Alhajiemeritus:Go and read the Hadith and Sunna or any other biography of Muhammad by any trusted Muslim scholar. Muhammad was a warlord. He was chased from Medina. He gathered followers that believed him, formed an armed gang, and started waylaying merchants that were going to trade in the city, looting and robbing them akin to a highway robber |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 4:52pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:OMG, Funny fellow, you are blowing my wits out. Where in those verses did Jesus say or imply that soon we will be bowing in praying facing Mecca in Saudi Arabia instead of Jerusalem. Yes, he said Worshipped will be moved from Jerusalem, did he say the new site for worship is hereby relocated to Kaaba, Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Even when the Jews worship in Jerusalem, did they bow to any image or rock? You don't sound intelligent at all. Doesn't the phrase that contains the words " Worship in In SPIRIT and TRUTH " show that Jesus hinted that the ideal worship will have no physical limitation or barrier ?? Spirit is metaphysical. Get hold of your logic man, you are embarrassing yourself!! |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 4:45pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:In the verse of the Quran, there is no mention that instructed Abraham to pray in the direction of the Kaaba. Muhammad the charlatan, copied the Islamic and Judaic religious rites and scripted a false religion to find a common ground to make it easy to deceive people. The Talmud is similar to the Sunna and Hadith in Islam. Talmud is not the word of God rather Hebrew religious rites and traditions. In the Torah, the Jewish counterpart of the Quran. God never instructed Israelites to pray facing any particular direction or object. Stop covering up your Idolatry and don't try to Involve Jesus in the sins of Muhammad. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 4:37pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:Bloody Lies, the bible even the Quran never recorded that Jesus or Abraham prayed, bowing in a certain direction. Show me the verse in both the Quran and Bible, else stop lying. Even if Jesus prayed facing the Jerusalem temple, Is the Kaaba in Jerusalem ?? See how blindly you defend Idolatry. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 4:28pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:You lost me bro and I'm done with you after this. All you have said so far reinforced the Superiority of Jesus over Muhammad in the Quran. You have failed to answer my original question on how Muslims can balance the contradicting Narratives of Islam in theory and practice yet tag it the religion of Peace. Say No to Idolatry. Bye. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 4:23pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:Exodus 20: 4 -5 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; God gave Moses this law for the people of Isreal recorded in the Jewish Scriptures, repeated in the Bible, I don't know if Angel Gabriel forgot the script and gave Muslims a different version. 5 times a day Muslims all over the world commit Idolatry yet according to you " All prophets of God preached the same message which is the worship of one God. Jesus and Muhammad both did the same. ". Pure Blasphemy and Fallacy. I don't know perhaps God actually gave Muhammad the revelation but he tweaked it a bit, so he got whacked in a shameful way as punishment. Wasn't an honorable death befitting of the Rasuullah, you can't deny. Don't mention Jesus because according to the Bible, he came for that purpose. He is alive now and ascended to Heaven, can't say the same of the other fellow. At least, we can agree on that ehh ??  I think I have done justice to that and by you. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 4:04pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:In the Bible, he is coming back too to defeat the Anti-Christ. Why couldn't Muhammad make it to the party ?? I see many similarities across these 2 books on the subject of Jesus. I am no expert, but if you ask me, who do I think copied from the other and added their own stuff to suit themselves. I will say Islam because Muhammad got his 1st revelation about 1000 years after Jesus. |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 3:59pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:haekymbahd Say whatever pleases you, the fact remains, the way the Quran portrays Jesus is way more magnificent than whatever Muhammad was pictured as. That is the Quran. The doctrines and principles of Muhammad match Jesus's message only on a basal level. Other than that, they are worlds apart. What did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and Jesus have to do with bowing down and praying to a rock/stone somewhere faraway in Saudi Arabia? Idolatry bro. Haram keep off !! Talkless of the rest of Hadith and Sunna that will taint the pristine image of Jesus. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 3:54pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:Next from your quoted text, you are trying to paint a violent picture of Jesus of the Bible to the best of your ability. I know it is hard because the case of a violent Jesus has little to no substance. These few verses are often used by most Muslims to plead their case, the reason being that they read it out of context and salt its interpretation with their bigotry. To help you is my explanation below; Match those quoted words of Lord Jesus to his actions and the rest of his life. Did he ever form an armed group? NO Did he ever attack anyone with an intent to kill? NO. During his arrest, Peter his disciple cut off an official's ear, Jesus warned Peter against using violence to solve problems, then he picked up the cut ear and fixed it back. Jesus preached an awkward pacifist philosophy. He said these words " If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn the other for him to slap on too " " Forgive your brother up to 70 * 7 ( 490 ) times in one day ". He was only being figurative about his command to love and be peaceful. Now, what could he mean by those verses you quoted. He implied that following his doctrines i.e becoming a Christian will put you at odds with the rest of the world even up to your family members. His words have been fulfilled today, where newly converted Christians are disowned by their parents and family, ostracized by sinners who see them as being too holy, persecuted for their faith even up to death sometimes by your loved ones. In summary, that was simply a warning to his followers that believing in him has set them on a collision course with the rest of the world. Another reason for the first verse is that the Jewish Nation from his time even up till now is still expecting a coming Messiah who will rule politically from Jerusalem. His reign will fulfill God's promise to them and bring peace to the world. But they were mistaken because he is the Messiah not just what they were expecting. This he clarified to his disciples. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 3:27pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
haekymbahd:[b]First and foremost, I am using the case of Jesus because of the spectacular circumstances surrounding his existence in both Quranic and Biblical narrations. Also according to Islam, he was the penultimate Prophet according to Islam. You can say second in command. According to the Quran: 1. Jesus was the child of a virgin, Maryam. She didn't have sex to conceive him. Miraculous Birth 2. Maryam, Jesus mom is the only woman with a chapter of the Quran named after her 3. Jesus performed Miracles from as early as childhood, he cured people of illness, he even resurrected a dead bird ( gave life ) 4. Jesus wasn't crucified or murdered, he was ascended to heaven alive by God when the Jews sought to kill him. 5. Jesus will return to earth to fight the Dajjal/Anti-Christ. An uninformed person will think, " Wow, for this guy to possess all these divine powers and features he must be a God or at least the protagonist of the story. right..?? ". Rather... No, the preferential Prophet of God most superior in the Muslim Faith is Muhammad !! of normal/natural birth by a non-virgin mother. Muhammad could neither perform miracles nor heal the sick. He was rather skilled in taking life instead. He died of food poisoning by a Jewess prisoner and no magnificent return is promised about him. His story ends. How can you now tell me the second guy is the true one sent from God, meanwhile the first one seems eerily close to being a God, given that no one was as special as Jesus in the Quran[/b] |
| Islam › Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 2:53pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Yustyle:I believe Allah has guided you, now please guide me. How should I accept belief in someone whose lifestyle contravenes my ethics. 4 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Muslim Should Avoid Fights And Arguments by chigator2: 2:43pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Ibkhaleel001:Is that the best defense you have ?? Quite Terse for a learned Islamic scholar like yourself. Clowns. |
| Islam › How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by chigator2(op): 2:38pm On Sep 17, 2021*. Modified: 2:57pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
I have been wanting to ask. Why would an all-knowing God ordain the role of the Prophet of the last true religion, the religion of "Peace" to a character surrounded by controversies, a highway raider, and a political warlord in the person of Muhammad? Even in the Quran, the narration of Jesus' life epitomizes a simple one of peace with God and with Mankind. On the other hand, Muhammad lived a relatively violent life ( lived on the sword ), warring with neighbors ( in the once tranquil region of Arabia ), raiding and looting innocent merchants of their possessions on trade highways. Even Death didn't deal peaceably with Muhammad, he died painfully of acute poisoning quite unlike Isa/Jesus whom God ascended to heaven alive and will still make a return to Earth ( from Quran). After the Death of Muhammad, the next battle for the first generation Muslims wasn't one of spiritual connotation rather it was a physical one. Worst off, it was amongst themselves over the succession of the caliphate which lead up to the Shia-Sunni split. Something unheard of from the first Christians in the Bible which were recorded to live in piety and charity even under intense Roman persecution. Safe to say the followers of Jesus and Muhammad were duly taught in the doctrines of their masters. How then can Muslims balance these conflicting narratives? 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Muslim Should Avoid Fights And Arguments by chigator2: 2:23pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Ibkhaleel001:You obviously seem deranged, how did your admonition to Muslims suddenly degenerate to attacking South-Easterners. This is proof that your hate for Igbos has clouded your reasoning enough to contradict yourself in less than an hour. I know it pleases you to see violence attributed to typical peaceful people like Igbos but I want to assure you, we are not and will never be terrorists. We won't share in the plague that inflicts your faith. Research shows that a whopping 80% of post - WW2 terror incidents in Europe were perpetrated by people of the Muslim faith. 90% in Africa. I don't know what that points to maybe you can help us. I have been wanting to ask, why would an all-knowing God ordain the role of the Prophet of the true religion, the religion of "Peace" to a highway raider and political warlord in the person of Muhammad. Even in the Quran, the narration of Jesus epitomizes a simple life of peace with God and Man. On the other hand, Muhammad lived a violent life, warring with neighbors and looting merchants of their possessions on trade highways. Even Death didn't deal peaceably with Muhammad, he died of acute poisoning. After Death, the next battle for the first generation Muslims wasn't spiritual rather it was physical, and worst off, it was amongst themselves over the succession of the caliphate leading to the Shia-Sunni split. Something unheard of from the first Christians in the Bible. Safe to say the followers of Jesus and Muhammad were duly taught. Ibkhaleel001 How then can Islam balance these conflicting narratives ? 3 Likes |
