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2braithe:
Can you facilitate how the hospital will receive the money directly?
Obviously an account number with the hospital name as the account name.

There are 2 kinds of begging scam on nairaland. Some would just makeup a pitiful story, then boom someone would help by sending cash. In some cases they can't prove shit hence no one would render help.

The next set are either full time scammers or normal people who have seen a flaw with regards to how nairalanders authentic begging stories.

Example.
I can have my fees intact with me. What I'll do is to wait till 2 or 3 days before school payment portal is closed. Then come to nairaland with stories of how poor my parents are, how I couldn't gather cash despite some hustle... blablabla

Of cause if you check my school, you'll see that it is true about the deadline.
Of cause I can do a video call.
Of cause if you want to confirm if am a student I can also do that since I have ID, admission letter and everything to tell I school there.
Even if you decide to send someone to meet me we'll meet.
Of cause I can even show my school Portal showing my fees is "not paid"
Even if someone requested for school account number to be sent directly, I'll do because it didn't spoil the scam.

Then boom people fall for it.

This doesn't mean or authentic that I lack cash or my parents couldn't give me fees.

The new social media scam now is to let their money rest while have their bills paid by people. Lol

Same with this guy lol, how does paying to a clinic, a video call or his wife actually having a baby says he can't afford or pay?

Just a glimpse to his profile would tell you is either he's lying or he's not serious with his life sef.

It cannot help a child when being raped.
It can't defend it house (church) from Shakau.
It cannot protect its worshippers, boko haram always having a party.
It cannot say hi on nairaland.
The only thing it can do is not do anything because that's what Space crackers do. It does nothing because it is nonexistent.

Can't you see that the thing called God which you were told lives in the sky by a book written by some primitive folks is just a ridiculous bullshit?

We might excuse it for indoctrination and brainwashing. But common! now you are adults. Think you'll realise.

Some primitive people wrote a book telling you that a thing called God lives in the sky. It needs your worship, it cares about you and it liked cow, goat, ram, pigeon sacrifice then, But now it is money. Okay na.

You are the ones arguing for it.
You are the ones giving it money (tithe, offering).
You are the ones praising it.
You are the ones working for it (telling people about it)
You are the ones protecting it's acclaimed house with soldiers, barricade...

You take drugs and go to hospital just like everyone.
You hustle just like everyone.
You die just like everyone.
You do everything just like everyone.

People get pregnant, people get job, people get involve in accident with no injury, people survive accident, people get relived from sickness, people are happy, people get promoted at work... And it goes on. When same things happen to you which happens because it is what always happens to people. But you no, it is the sky dude which those guys said.

vdestro:
I did not accuse you of being a fraud/deceiver (seems you are confessing) but you are definitely hungry and bitter for your rant is exactly the jelous rants of a hungry person.

If you were not hungry, then you would have known what every other person knows, which is "everyday for the thief, one day for the owner" as we go on attaending to our affairs.

But it is always hungry poor people who talk about how certain people are becomng rich.

When people call out rapist, is it because they are jealous of them?

When people call out thieves who steal, it is because they are jealous of them?

When people call out corrupt people and looters, it is because they are jealous of them?

When people call out jungle justice or mob action activities, is it because they are jealous of them?

I called out fraudsters, charlatans, who are deceiving innocent gullible people that a thing called god told them they should give 10% of their earnings, that they were assigned to collect it.

Your money you can do whatever you like with it.

I am only concerned about the thieves, charlatans, fraudsters... i.e the priest, Levi who started it, down to the pastors, apostles, daddy GO... who are also using the same stealing tactics that there is a thing called god who lives up in the sky. It instructed them to collect the money for it.

Why are you pained, did I attack you? Are you also one of the charlatans?

MaxInDHouse:
Now it has been established that tithing is not your problem but the idea of supernaturals!

They told you a thing called god who lived in the sky said 10% of people's earnings should be given to them. And sometimes ram, goat, sheep, pigeon... I tell you it was just a lie to get food and money from the gullible. How can't you see it?

Do you believe in books written by men who never witnessed what you're seeing today?
Of course you do!

Isaac Newton discovered gravity but he never knew a telephone nor flat screen tv yet you will gladly welcome his idea of gravity!

John MichelI wrote above black holes but he never knew a space ship yet you welcome the idea heartily.

So why do you welcome what these primitive men who never knew what we know today wrote?

I never said or imply this.
I never told you if I believe or not believe what the people you quoted said. Stop assuming things on my behalf.

If anyone of them says that a thing up in the sky called god said people should give them 10% of their earnings, I wouldn't buy to the lies. Hence exactly what the folk whose writings you follow did

Well i will help you with the answer:
You believe them because there is an ongoing follow up on what they said and till today it has not been disproved that neither black holes or gravity are scams.

The same applies to what is written in the Bible my young man, all the things written in that ancient book has proved to be true and up to date even though the writers never saw what we know today just as Isaac Newton and John Michell never experienced half of what we know today!

Catching straw, bringing up irrelevant things just to shy away from the real thing. lol

They made their deduction, discovery through scientific methods. They do not claim to receive it from any guy who lives in the sky.

In your case Some folks said a thing called god whom lives in the sky said 10% of people's earning should be given to them. Goat, ram, pigeon, grain... Inclusive as sacrifice to eat then they eat the rest of the meat and drink the wine.

According to you, yes a sky man told them. Since they said it and wrote it in a book. Lol

Okay tell me, where did you get the story that a thing called god told some ancient persons to collect those things?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you fear when you see a soldier in uniform?
YES!
What comes to your mind?
It's the fear that this people are trained to kill and of course you've heard of wars in time past and movie makers have also acted it on TV, you believe whenever you see anyone in that uniform that they're trained to do those things you watch on TV.
So even though you've never been to battle yet you believe what you heard about WARS right?
Well this sky man has done a lot in the past, He promised to do certain things in our own time and He's fulfilling it now.
So only an ignorant person will doubt His existence after seeing what He promised coming to fulfilment today right in our own eyes! Romans 1:20

I do not fear soldier if I see one. What you wrote there is garbage.

Where did you get the story of the sky man, the killing and destruction which the alleged sky man would soon come and do? Don't tell me from a book please

From the same book written by some primitive folks which claimed a thing called god that lives in the sky told people to give them 10% of their earnings also goat, ram, pigeon flesh and blood for the sky dude. Lol

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a promise from God (our shy daddy) who never failed in His promises not what humans like me will carry out because it's not going to an extermination by physical weapons!
So relax my atheists friend it's God's war not mine!

But you got this from a book written by some primitive folks right ?

They tell you a thing called god who lives in the sky told them to collect 10% of peoples earning. And that he'll later come to kill human beings. Lol

Common oga.

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!
Today the tithe i pay today as a Christian is meant to prepare the earth for a new start. Soon all evildoers on this planet will be killed and only good people will be spared by God's executioners. So by making peace with my neighbours and having the same line of thought with them i'm preparing myself for the good times ahead when the whole earth will become one global family of peace loving worshipers under the instructions of our sky daddy.
Nobody can force this on you if you're not interested but no matter how hopeless you are you can't take away the hope believers have simply because you choose to be hopeless!

A book written by some primitive folks that a thing in the sky called god, told them to collect 10% of people's earnings, then went ahead to also tell you the bolded above?

With excitement in your eyes, happiness in your stomach, you are happily saying soon you'll execute and kill some human beings which you tag evildoers because you saw it written in a book

Good people would always be good. Bad people would always be bad. But only religion, a thing called god, things written in a book would turn good people to bad people.

There is no sky man anywhere, it was just some primitive folks story.

MaxInDHouse:
Atheism makes you intelligent but wisdom you can't have!

If some hungry fraudsters initiated that among the Israelites then how come the same thing is done globally?
In all cultures throughout the world sacrifices are made to appease deities so if some hungry fraudsters faked it in Israel does that makes all the nations on planet earth hungry fraudsters because it was a global thing no nation was left out when talking about sacrifices to deities in ancient times.
So trust me my young man atheism may seem intelligent but there's no wisdom in it!

Tell me one country, tribe or locality where there are no fraudsters or people that exploit there fellow countrymen?

Yeah, it was some primitive folks that started it. A god demand goat, ram, pigeon and money. Lol

vdestro:
Your posts already shows that you are a very hungry bitter frustrated one who is pained that pastors are wacking peoples tithes. If you want to eat tithes, you already know what to do.

I am no hungry nor bitter, you are the one it shows from your reply.

I am no fraudster nor a deceiver why should I tell people there is a thing called god in the sky and that he told me collect 10% of their earnings. Weak innocent people for that matter. I have empathy unlike you and your kind.

gohf:
okay o, keep telling yourself that one o, but know sha you are no different from those blinded by self delusion na.

Do you believe them? That a thing called god lives in the sky told them to collect 10% of people's earning?

In fact that in some occasions, the thing also requires, ram, goat, pigeon, grains as sacrifice. That they should sacrifice some parts to the thing then eat the rest.

How can't you see that this is just a ploy by some fraudsters to collect food and money from obviously gullible people?

Do you believe them? Obviously yes. Because they said it. Besides they wrote it in a book. Lol

gohf:
it might as well be the devil telling them, what is it to you

Don't people scam others with using the name of God, don't people use the name of God in heaven.

If God asked you to come to him freely without paying, would you go? Yes or No

Wether a thing called devil or a thing called god told them is not my problem.

The fact that the charlatans deceived gullible people by saying a thing called god who's in the sky told them to collect 10% of people's earning... with other things which they wrote, then you get mind to tell me now that if the thing doesn't require any money from me would I go to him? Lol

Thank goodness you also acknowledge that they scammed people.

Bro there is no sky man anywhere.

gohf:
adults? U think a little knowledge and a few decades makes one an adult or is adult to you all knowing. Cut the crap

Yea some crazy primitives wrote some nonsense about a guy, a man as u put it in the sky.

I don't care if u buy into it or sell it, lol. I asked u if it were true what would you do.

Who care what one man personally thinks or imagines in their head. I asked you if there really is a man or a God in the heaven what would you do.



If you build your whole love believing something you can't even proof whether he is up there or not, what makes you different from those who build their lives believing he is there even if they can't prove it?

Or you think your better because you don't believe? 😁 Answer my questions child

No different from what if there is a fairy under my garden

gohf:
a book? Nah, that's not what they said

They said a God, say it plainly are you afraid to say it.

A book written by men who claimed to have encountered a God said he was going to judge the wicked, u either don't care or u are scared.

Answer my questions childfree

I will ask you another one, what if all what is in that book is true... What then do you do?

That a thing called god told them to collect 10% of people's earning?

gohf:
are you afraid to answer my question?

You attack those who may be misguided in their believes. Yet are you afraid to even believe or follow anything good and true.

I can assume you avoiding to answer means even if God is good you will not believe in Him.

You ask if I am a Christian, how do you expect to know if I am like Christ if you do not even know Christ?

Did I tell you I buy to into the thing called god or whatever to you?

Why the hell would you be asking me if I would accept, believe or follow a leadership of some man bla bla bla

Some primitive people wrote some book that a man is in the sky said you should believe him and worship him blablabla...

Common we are adults, behave like one

gohf:
true it could be a ploy, but about those who charge you nothing nor collect anything from you and say to you, do good and do what is right, do you listen to them or ignore them, even if they are not fraudsters trying to defraud you in anyway not care about your material possessions but your life and soul

It is the foundation of the god idea you embrace. They said, a book said, bla bla bla

MaxInDHouse:
It's a payment for the services rendered by the Levites in Israel!

The tithe you yourself pay

MaxInDHouse:
I've noticed your sudden silence after reading my comments, now you know that apart from demanding to see God there is sound reasoning in true Christianity so even though false religions claiming Christians are getting it all wrong it doesn't mean there is no God or true religion.
You may have had bitter times dealing with counterfeit money but that doesn't mean you can't find the legal tender!

The question was are you still paying tithe and what is the motive of the tithe payment.

You provided your answers, for the Levi to chop...blablabla. my question was answered. What do you want me to do? Argue with you that is isn't so?

You only buttress what I even said.

Some certain folks among primitive Israeli tribe started it. They deceived their tribes men by saying a man in the sky instructed them to collect 10% of their monthly earnings also bring rams, pigeon, grain... It is a sacrifice and offering for the sky man. The priest/Levi are to sacrifice as burnt offering then eat the rest. How can't you figure out that it was just a ploy by some hungry fraudsters to get free food for themselves?

gohf:
worship God na, abi na devil u wan go worship

Nah, I am not one of those people 🤷🏽‍♂️

But I guess your answer is NO even you meet a genuine man who does, says and lives the right thing. You won't follow him nor fellowship with him, because your personal believe is no one lives in the sky. Even though that man's God isn't a man in the sky who demands worship and money, you will still refuse to relate with the true God, isnt that so?

Aren't you a Christian?

gohf:
his leadership na,

Oya answer the question, will you worship with him

What do you mean by "worship under him"
Worship what? Leadership what?

Oh I got it. You are one of those people who believe that there is a man in the sky, he has a book and that he needs worship and money abi?

gohf:
if the pastor is rich or poor and doesn't collect will you worship under him

What do you mean by "worship under him"
Worship what?

Oh I got it. You are one of those people who believe that there is a man in the sky, he has a book and that he needs worship and money abi?

vdestro:
I responded to your post.

As to your question, my answer is, "its really none of your business especially as it is not your earnings i am using". Thank you.

Carry your bitterness and frustration go. I am not the one collecting your money. You can channel that to you pastor.

You saw the title of the thread, you decide to enter, you went ahead to respond with an incoherent jargon. How dumbb can someone be. Must you respond?

vdestro:
When people find gold they only tell their close famly and friends. And if anyone they tell does not understand, it is their loss.

As always and as is normal, all those who are in charge of anything are already liable to give account of their administration

Simple question, do you pay tithe?
There is no need for all this epistle.

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't know what you're asking simply because Satan's agents claiming they're Christians have confused many with man-made doctrines.
I pay my tithes monthly directly to my Lord Jesus and if you know what that means it's not monetary but time spent in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in my neighborhood.
The old covenant demands 10% of the gain that adherents of Mosaic laws make but in the new covenant Jesus didn't ask for money rather it's the time we SPENT in doing the work he assigned to us.
That's why you will always find my brothers and sisters in the field paying their tithes with service to Lord Jesus.
We are Jehovah's Witnesses!

So why does the deity need the payment of tithe? Is it tax, levy, dues, payment for what exactly?

MaxInDHouse:
If that's what is obtainable in your place of worship it's either you quit going there or do as they say!

Do you pay tithe is the question oga

Image123:
Who told you tithe is for the poor? You were grossly misinformed.

Okay.
What is tithe for?
As a levy, tax, dues, lobbying to get prayers answered...? What

This is just a way fraudsters have used since way back to milk the gullible.

Some certain folks among primitive Israeli tribe started it. They deceived their tribes men by saying a man in the sky instructed them to bring rams, pigeon, grain... It is a sacrifice and offering for the sky man. The priest/Levi are to sacrifice as burnt offering then eat the rest. How can't you figure out that it was just a ploy by some hungry fraudsters to get free food for themselves?

The elite from the west also saw the trick. They adopted it, revised it, perfected it. In fact wrote a book called it Bible ... Add more juice to make it more appealing to fall for it aka Heaven. Then scare the gullible with lake of fire from the sky man if you don't obey it. Use it to milk their people till it doesn't work anymore.

Then they saw Africa, divide Africa among themselves, use the same trick and Idea of sky daddy to milk your ancestors, carry slaves, resources to build their land... Till they had enough.

Now your same people (aka pastors, evangelist, apostle, man of god, daddy GO) after they saw how gullible you can be. They are employing the same trick. Tell you the sky daddy needs money and you decide to fall for it too.

Common this is 2023. Have some sense abeg!

Someone told you a man in the sky said you should give 10% of your monthly income and he is the one to collect it for the sky man. How does this make sense to you? Is it a levy, tax or what?

They tell you is for the poor. Yet you don't see them giving it to the poor. Do you know how much the pastor makes in the name of offering, seed sowing or 10% from every salary/business earner in the church?

samology2000:
Gone are those days our forefathers gave birth to dozen of children and still took good care of them. Now a days it is very difficult to achieve such because of the hardship and economics situation of the present day. This would make one think twice before giving birth to one, two or three children. So my people what is the Ideal number of children that's an average family should have?

Very unfortunate that in this part of the world, to birth or have n number of children is not even about how many one wants or someone can take care of but just a factor of what the society thinks is an ideal number

It depends on what you think is right for you. If you think you are okay with the kind of life 50k+3 children gives, that's you to decide for yourself. If you think you are not okay with the kind of life 300k+3 gives, that's you to decide for yourself. Whatever you choose for yourself, don't come and be disturbing people of suffering. You knew what you are putting yourself into.

So op are you expecting to get answers from people to say 3 or 9 children then you'll go and give birth to 3 or 9? Because I don't understand the intent of such question.

All I care is if you aren't earning 500k downward with 2kids+, na just suffering which people here consider have normalized.

Ten06

So what?
When they say sacred, did they tell you what they meant was the water is fit for drinking?

preciousee17:
I'm really thrilled seeing your observations.
I was waiting for someone to rebuke us Christians for arguing amongst ourselves.
Seriously you are on point when you say 'lol'.
Actually, these are a few things that make us unique (in both good and bad ways)
And in our Bible, the Christians back then also argued among themselves in a bid to confirm the truth.
And these are the little things that make me confirm that there is truth in this Christianity. Why do we get so much counterfeiting of our beliefs if there is no 'Original'.
Again I may not want to say much on this... Now is time to look at your questions

Muslims argue about the Qur'an among themselves. It doesn't makes it anyway true. Your claim is just rubbish.

Still why you don't believe in Allah and Gueq?

Before then, something I'd like to point out, I'm not the average Christian you know, and I may say many things that will make even my fellow Christians to hate me (not necessarily tho)
So first of all, who said that Thor, Krishna and Zeus and all those stuff are not true? Me? Not at all...
The sooner we come to realize that there's fire behind every smoke, the better for us.
The Bible does not expressly talk about Zeus and the rest but the Bible surely talks of the Nephilims (people that were born out of sex between Angels and humans) and they had the weirdest descriptions: insane heights/statue, six fingers and so on... That should show you that I already believe there's a component of truth in part of those 'Myths and Legends'. I also acknowledge that the devil has tried to orchestrate major lies that change the narrative of the whole story but in the end, we'll all know the truth.

Geuq is the true God. Yahweh, Ra, Thor and the other 4k gods are all lies. They are agents of queG trying to deviate people from accepting and worshipping Geuq. How is this not true?

Your answers (I'm calling on corrections please my fellow Christians):

1. When you talk of interpretation, do you mean by language or by understanding?
The Bible was written in foreign languages, I have come to choose certain English versions based on the model that has 66 books and stems from the King James Version (that is King James Version, Revised Standard Version, New King James Version), Berian Study Bible and New International Version. Not that these are the *approved* version or this is what God said I must read but because I haven't even finished understanding the ones I'm reading (new understanding comes when you re-read the same part of the Bible) I don't want most of the complications of adding more knowledge (especially when you haven't mastered the basics).
Then again, my understanding can never be the only true understanding. Two people can explain the same scripture of the Bible in totally different ways and the two versions will make perfect sense (oh, that's one of the uniqueness of God in the writing of the Bible especially when you come to realize that the Bible is just a collection of letters, biographies, documented history and laws, etc. that were written by several different people over the span of hundreds of years who didn't know that their work will be combined in this big Book. Of course they were influenced by the Spirit of God).
What validates my/any understanding/interpretation of the Bible is the other Books of the Bible, simple. If I say John 1:1 means this and that... I should be able to also say, "Look at the evidence here again in Genesis...". Once anyone can do that (without forcing words to flow with his/her point), voila! That interpretation has been validated.
God validates His Words through His Words
And understandings come only through God. (Ask more if you wish, I may have typed too much)

It is not about language interpretation.

Thousands of sect, most have different doctrines, beliefs and what certain verse mean which could be total opposite of the next sect interpretation. Who decides which is true or what a certain verse mean?

A supposed omniscient god, communicating through a book which is equivocal lol. You personally interpret it the way you think is right, likewise the next person. Who says your interpretation is the right one?

2. Okay if you check up you'll see something I said about Christians being hypocrites, a person can bribe his/her way into an office and say, "God gave me a job"
That's a problem with the Church and I don't dwell much on those type of testimonies.
However if it's just a straightforward appointment, there are many things to use and determine if God gave you the job.
One thing you'll look at is the voice of God. Did God tell you He will give you this job before you got it?
Then test the fruit, will this job help me lead more people to Christ? Will this job make me commit sin very constantly? (For instance, working in a movie company where you'll act sex scenes)... Many things add up
Or the benefit of hindsight at times will finally confirm if God actually gave you the job... When you look back and see that through that job, your spiritual life got better, you didn't need to do fraud anymore
In my case, I left a teaching job after disagreeing with the headteacher, I never reapplied there, never called any staff there or anything... But one day I prayed that God should give me money, and the next day I was called back by the school... Someone will say it was just a COINCIDENCE...
But the kind of miracles that we really love to use as example are practical things
Like healing of a serious physical illness without visiting the doctor or carrying out prescribed surgery etc... Or victory over spiritual warfare, like an age old tradition of firstborn dying in every generation, and your own firstborn developed symptoms of dying (especially at early age) but later recovers after prayers. (Again you can still ask here)

You haven't done anything.
I Childfree make a claim of the miracle (job). How do you preciousee17 know if is true or false?

3. You believe in a place called heaven/hell?
Yes. Both. Infact I believe that there are 3heavens and that hell has sections... (Crazy right?)
Is hell fire a torture place?
Yes I believe so, I wouldn't want to find out the hard way. Infact, I believe hell is just a place to receive punishment according to the sins that you didn't repent of

Why and who go to hell?
I believe hell was created for the devil and his angels, the people who will eventually end up in hell are those that followed the devil and did the things of the devil, generally people that commit sin.

Curious, when or how would people pay for the atrocities they commit. Since I could be the baddest human ever lived, committing the most heinous crime and sin. It happens I just genuinely repented yesterday and I died today. Taken to heaven?

A Christian living a rightful way all the 40 years of his existence. His last 2 days he died from mob action because we was caught stealing. No prayers, no asking for forgiveness. So he's a hell candidate?

An individual who does right, no crime, cheating...and all, who doesn't believe in Yahweh dies. Fire or paradise?


You have sins, you commit sins. So the idea is just don't die with a sin. If you do, straight to fire no matter how you lived your life.

Equally, just don't die with a sin, it doesn't matter how you lived. You'll receive an eternal bliss. Lol

Because we do hear the wicked would burn in hell while the Mick would inherit the kingdom of heaven but I don't see it

It tells a reasonable person a lot about your religion, teaching, what you refer to reward for actions or punishment for actions and the idea of God you claim.

What is free will?
I don't know what I'm expected to say here. But free will is just the knowledge of good and evil, the fact that you now know what is right and what is wrong, and you can choose to do right or to do wrong.

Does that mean Adam and Eve have no free will? Prior to eating the forbidden fruit or whatever in the version of how humans came according to the Israeli tribe mythology.

Do humans have free will?
Yes. Obviously.

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A thief pointed a gun at Childfree, and said your money or your life. I choose my life, he collected the money and ran.

Same scenario happen with another individual, he choose his money and he was shot dead.

The culprit was caught, The judge dismiss the case citing that the culprit gave them the ability to choose freely (free will) money or life and they make their choices. Does this make sense or sound reasonable to you?

The culprit decides the option, forces you to choose, reward according to what he placed on the options

Why does it make sense to you while in your religion?

He Yahweh decides what is good or bad, he forces you to choose to follow either, he rewards you based on an outcome he decides on the choice.

Ironically, one seems fair to you while the other is not.

[quote]Is Yahweh omniscient?
Yes. (I'm delighted you used the name Yahweh)

Isn't Yahweh the deity we are referring to here?

Does Yahweh currently knows the number of people who would be in hell?

I don't really think I mock Atheists in the way you are imagining, the same way you laugh at your friend before correcting Him is the same way we may laugh at you before correcting you, we 'mock' our fellow Christians too
There is teaching from God, and there is teaching of men. When we see our brother exhibiting signs of false teaching of men, we rush to correct him first, then we come out stronger to spread the Word better than ever.
Infact, I created this thread to see the specific reason why our fellow Christians brothers stopped believing in God so it's not much about the atheists, it's more about those who already had a foundation.

I've typed too much, please alert me on any grammatical mistake

The last time I checked Adam or anyone didn't asked Yahweh to be created. Isn't this a violation of the free will (ability to choose) in the first place?

If is a free will how comes one is confined only to 2 options (good and bad)? then the free will only comes into play when choosing the options. Does this sound reasonable to you?

Let me hear your take on this. Adam or me didn't ask to be created, he didn't request for a free will or not, He don't want the option of either heaven or hell,
Why is everything about your God forced? And you talk about free will? Lol

preciousee17

I don't believe in Yahweh for the same reason I don't believe in Allah, Ra, Kirshina, Zeus, Thor and the other thousands of gods from all tribes and localities. They are all fables and fairytales.

Why you don't believe in Allah and Gueqe?

Questions
1. Why is your own interpretation of your religious text(Bible) the right one? Who decides it?

2. When a claim of miracle is made. How do you know if is true?
E.g Yahweh helped me get a job

3. Who decides what is good or bad? E.g to steal or cause harm.

Let me know what you hold here. Question would come later. I require yes or no response.
You believe in a place called heaven/hell?
Is hell fire and torture place?
Why and who go to hell?
What is free will?
Do humans have free will?
Is Yahweh omniscient?

Check almost all the thread(including this) created by Christians to either argue, question or mock atheist. You Christians end up fighting or arguing between yourselves. And you guys wonder why an atheist doesn't agree with either of you. Lol