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Streetinvestor2:
Buy international breweries for 20/30 % from today till q1 results surfaces

Oga Nosa I dey follow u footprint

Make I help you:
Have you all bought your 1 Hero & 1 Trophy today?

Leadership and government is also complex to be fully unilateral in condemning every participants as Satan.
Even citizens like you and I am part of the government if you dont know.

There can be good leaders with bad subject, bad leaders with good subjects. Or good leaders and good subjects but bad contractors to deliver the right an quality people oriented project expected.

Doesn't still answer the question
Just pass if you can't.
Don't cherry pick the one that favours you to miss direct discuss.
The two questions are simultaneously interwovened.

The simple reply is:
If the politicians and Nicodemus are Satan, you and I also are Satan..QED

If the politicians and Nicodemus are not Christians, you and I also not Christians..QED

BE direct, no dey explain and explain tire.

And if you are not Satan or his agents then political leaders, managers in positions of human needs are not Satan's agents.
It isn't fair and right to just pick any of their misdeeds to generalise them as Satan
Just as you ask God for forgiveness for your own misdeeds , you don't know if they also do the same for their misdeeds so as to get wisdom to serve the people better.

I quoted Romans 13: 1-4
You left it and rushed to quote Roman's 13: 6 to justify the use of tax for Caesar's bidding, hence they are "satan" according to your interpretation.
Cuz you have interpreted that all tax system is only used for the politicians bidding to fund themselves?

The modern tax system in countries that works(sweden, Norway,USA etc) isn't it for the masses as well?
if it was evil in Jesus time,cuz the leaders(Caesar and Co) weren't Christians. Over time, Christians and leaders in other countries with good Morals as a result of following God and being led to lead by God has successfully used these taxes for the betterment of their population, widows,orphans low income earners, disabled, etc..

The early Christians were peasants. The grassroots of the society, they rarely had top influential people with them as Christ disciples before and after death.
Nicodemus and fee others were just few exceptions and even at that, I want to believe they had their limits and not enough carrying power.

Hence, It was natural to see leaders and rulers in various communities practicing various religion and thus prosecuting the disciples during envangelization in their era and time.
So it could be natural to view all of them as pagans or opposition to Christianity even without meeting any of them within the first 100-200yrs of Christ Death and maybe classify all of them as Satan.

However, as Christianity kept spreading over centuries through thick and thin, I believe most peasant Christians gradually grew in career and leadership positions to lead the wider population and thus even effected the spread of Christianity.

Overtime even Kings and queens and warrior rulers became Christians and led the charge of spreading Christianity rapidly..

The result is whatever unfair, and evil policies and practices they've been meting our on their followers and subjects, through Christianity conversion , they convert those policies to being fair and just in line with God's commandments.
Hence of recent, slave trade abolitions, fight against racism, etc have been some positives..

I believe the context of the Early Christans leadership mismatch relative to other religions against them matters.

If you are say you are a Christian and as a Christian we are still not righteous enough cuz we still sin daily and default in one way or another, knowingly and unknowngly.
Does that make you less a Christian and now Satan or devilish or not of God?

If a Government leader serves God and defaults from time to time knowingly and unknowingly, does that automatically make him/her Satan and not of God?

Also, being rulers or Secular leaders of the world doesn't mean they own the kingdom of the World.
The Government are there to serve God through serving the people as appointed by God. They don't necessarily own the Kingdom.
Except maybe of course those of traditional and kingship Kingdoms.

Primary essence of maintaining law, order and enforcing fairnerss, reward and rightful punishment to offenders is a characteristic feature of good deeds and right justice and thus reason for God appointing secular leaders and Ministers to serve this purpose on earth..

chimex38:
Rulers and government are Gods appointed Ministers to serve the people..

Are they not primarily in place by God to maintain law and order and to punish erring citizens according to their misdeeds.

If they fall astray or abuse power,i believe they will also receive God's wrath as he wishes.

How can one unilaterally say all rulers are from Satan?

So we should oppose and fight against the Authorities and Government?
Just as we oppose and fight Satan?

chimex38:
Rulers are constantly linked to God in all JW explanations.

The word Satan was never ever mentioned.

From the JW explanation overview website ,
Secular Goverment and worldly rulers are described as God's Ministers, servants of God, who if defied by the citizens incuring God's wrath who punish such citizens through the worldly Rulers.
Meaning, the Worldly Rulers are an extension of God's ordained Leadership to carry out law, Order and judgement on the citizens.
Citizens shouldn't have fear of the worldly rulers if they are upright.

Whoever opposes worldly Authority is bringing judgement against oneself(Rom13:2).

Cc: fxmasterz
(Use Desktop view to see JW official explanations)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

Link to extracts above:
(if using phone, open in Desktop mode to view the Explanation overview yourself)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

God was written as the foundation of Secular rulers, Government and Ministers.
Satan wasn't written anywhere in the explanation overview of Romans 13:1-4 & 7

Rulers are constantly linked to God in all JW explanations.

The word Satan was never ever mentioned.

Continuation.....

Verse by verse Breakdown and overview of Romans 13:1-4 from JW website

Never mentioned Governments, worldly Authorities and Secular Rulers as coming from Satan.
They are God's Ministers and Servants.

Romans 13:1-7:
From the New World Translation(NWT)-Bible and study edition:
Never mentioned Governments, Authority and Secular Rulers as coming from Satan.

nosa2:
I remember arguing against the gurus that banks had no business trading at the valuations they were trading. Everybody and their mama had a reason why they should be trading at a discount. When price started to rise the guru analysts started to revise price upwards.

I remember this.

obonujoker:
The New Yam Festival (Ịri Ji Ọhụrụ) in Igboland primarily honors the earth goddess (Ala) and the deity of agriculture/yam (often called Njoku Ji or Ahiajoku) - Wikipedia

OK. Thank you.

obonujoker:
Any Culture or tradition, that does not glorify God is already satanic and immoral.

As Christians, true children of God, we are to separate ourselves from such practices -
2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

You cannot call yourself a Christian and you do Masquerade, you do Ifa, you do New yam festival, You do Amadioha , You do Ogun, you do Ojude Oba, You do Raping culture festivals... You may not attend but you sponsor and support with you money...

As a child of God, A Christian, going to church with Bible, you must choose one, whether you follow God or follow the traditions of men inspired by the devil and His agents. See what Apostle Paul wrote about his own-
Galatians 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

God had to separate him from all those traditions.

Remember the day you accepted Jesus, is the Day you decide to follow Him and do the will of God. May the Lord help us

And if you are still blinded by traditions and Cultures, Remember none of them can connect you to God. Jesus has paid the final price. Anything outside Jesus Christ leads you to damnation.

May the Lord bless and save us. Amen

Please explain how celebration of harvest via New yam festival doesn't glorify God?

They should employ all Professors of Conflict and Resolution around the world to mediate and broker peace.

geoworldedu:
Only Arsenal fans can achieve this feat. 22 years without EPL and they still stick to that club.

decatalyst:
Maybe he is an arsenal fan

You guys Gerrit.

rottable:
You are a legend for sticking to Glo through thick and thin. Your breed is really rare. You deserve an award for your brand loyalty😂😂😂

That Man is an Arsenal fan.
Nothing anybody wan tell me.
Rare breed

dgitrader:
Even the employees of glo are using mtn/Airtel lines for peace of mind.

jonnysessy:
You explanation is noted. But, i will prefer we are a bit more practical and use some specifics. Let take Zenith for example 1. Maybe, you exited at N100 thinking that there is no more upside ( remember, no one knows the highest a stock can go before it retraces). Now, in the market today Zenith is now N112. Please, how can you get back to your initial position as the stock is not showing signs of slowing down.

Another example is Seplat, in fact, i sold @ N7,500 because my average price was N5000. I was hoping it will drop to N6500, so that i can use the same money to acquire more units. But, unfortunately for me it is soaring higher. I can't use my proceeds to get back my position. The same Seplat is closer to N10,000 per unit than the N7,500 I sold. I eventually used the money to enter another stock.

I pointed you towards @KarlTom practical example yesterday, seems you didn't check on it.
Let me repost.

KarlTom:
I bought 100k units of DANGSUGAR at ₦30 (₦3million). My B.E. is around ₦30.50.

If I sold 50k units at ₦80 (₦4million)

When DANGSUGAR drops to ₦60, I buy back 60k units (₦3.6million)

I now have 110k units PLUS some change...

The process is pretty straightforward although entry/exit timing is paramount

PS: even if we use the highest buy/sell fees, the above scenario works

DR already has a fundamental flaw, after the peak of 80, with a not so impressive audited FY result, it was definitely going to fall back on account of that fundamental flaw..
Some witty investors can take the risk and sell and buy the drop.

As for Seplat and Zenith they don't have anything fundamentally wrong with them in virtually all core investor friendly fundamental parameters..
The risk is much higher to sell at their high expecting a dip for no reason on the stock..
(except one is expecting a general bear or long period of inactivity)


Also, Seplat pays dividend every quarter, it won't dip that much cuz there's always an anticipated income around the corner by investors. Also With its tight OS.
Oil price are currently higher than anticipated, so Seplat price is NOT significantly dropping soon.

Sector Push
What can push Seplat or Zenith down greatly is most general industrial news .
E.g $price of oil has dipped to $40/$50 per Barrel from $70-$80

Or like Zenith that was hovering around 57-60;
with sector forbearance news by CBN in June 2025 Zenith dropped to 43/45.
A long term active and witty risk taker investor on hearing this news and zenith being on the negative side of it can easily sell his holdings @57 and buy back at 45/46 if possible. Knowing fully that Zenith has a robust fundamental to clear any shortcomings and possibly bounce back.

DangSugaR moved in a general bull in January/February and boosted by the improved quarterly result. Once the FY audited was out, it was obvious it couldn't sustain the 80/share.
A long term investor could risk selling immediately, disciplined and patient enough to enter at a much lower price. It also has other strong fundamental areas to bounce back- Sector leader, scale, asset, good credit score, Agric, etc..
It works for stocks with inherent little/medium fundamental issues.

Presently for Zenith, I think even though QD for dividend is around the corner, so also is Q1 result expectant.. it might just hold for now and not drop until probably ending May 2026 where it might drop a bit due to probably inactivity.
It's massive OS is Zeniths only limitation moving up faster.

ppogba:
"Inconsistent policy effect".

There is no policy that will not favour some and wunjor others. Like they say, it is what it is.
One might argue that it is needed for political expediency especially since elections are coming but the truth is, cushion at any point in time is what Nigerians want irrespective of where it is coming from.

True sha..
Every policy will have new favourites.

Assuming but not conceding that they are from Satan, how can we then live as a people without law and order?

Knowing humans and their complex personality traits, some operate on instinct without reason, wild nature,etc.
Can humans be trusted enough to live by themselves?


What justification do one have to proof that humans will do much better as a people without rulers and fair guiding rules than with government rulers?
Cuz it's the only way to proof that all rulers are from the Devil.
and thus, should be opposed and fought against and one shouldn't have anything to do with Government leadership (as inferred).

Rulers and government are Gods appointed Ministers to serve the people..

Are they not primarily in place by God to maintain law and order and to punish erring citizens according to their misdeeds.

If they fall astray or abuse power,i believe they will also receive God's wrath as he wishes.

How can one unilaterally say all rulers are from Satan?

So we should oppose and fight against the Authorities and Government?
Just as we oppose and fight Satan?

jonnysessy:
It makes no sense selling a stock and re-entering the same stock. You would have lost your compounding. No matter the price you sold, you can never get the opportunity to enter the stock the price you initially entered it.

@ bolded..
It doesn't need to fall below your initial entry price or BE.
but fall enough to a price to accumulate more shares.
That is the COMPOUNDING EFFECT.

you can say it's very risky and one can miss the bus entirely(uncertainty). Not that it doesn't make sense. It makes sense cuz works for some people.

@KarlTom has posted a practical example on this.

The trick is such stocks with usually strong fundamentals are usually going through a temporary weak fundamental phase(negative Retained earnings, share dilution, poor or no dividend, Govt policy effect, etc..).

Or during a time of general market bulk where PE ratios seem high enough not to be justified.

It will make such stocks retract a bit if not necessarily to your BE point, but enough to Compound your volume if you sold at their high end.

Focus should be on Incresead share volume where possible rather than maintaining a Low BE.

Raider76:
Sad. There goes the capital of those who invested in backwards integration.

Inconsistent policy effect.

It started with Rice farmers and processors after locals went into the business.

Citizens dwindling purchasing power and hardship is giving the FG pressure. So they probably 've to cushion the effect with imports..
Especially as elections are around the corner.

Stockhunter:
This sell in may and go away does not work jare. Was it not last year june july the ngx had the best run of the year. Also all the trillions that will be paid in dividend where do you think the money will come to... Ok now

July/August run Last year was Crazy!!!

naturalflow:
If you are tired of analysis just buy anything that has CO in it,and you are good.
Presco.nahco,accessco,firstbankco,wapco, eyc

KarlTom:
Conoil?
Aiico?
Lasaco?

Wahala for Co-Families

reddingtonblack:
Thats like giving you a document to sign and you signed it, without knowing what inside

Your defence is i didnt not explain i want you to sign off your land to me .. Will court take that excuse

exactly exactly on point.

Mrchippychappy:
Oga, it should be an honour for a soldier to fight and die for his president, payment or not.

Like the Brigadier General that died cuz Bulletproof car refused to start despite being ahead of the insurgents?

Or the other Brigadier General that succeeded in transmitting his hideout location to the Nigerian Army with smart deception while taking cover only to be caught by the insurgents without Army arriving.
To add salt to injury the perpetrators haven't been caught.
Such Patriotic deaths to WHOLE BRIGADIER GENERALsss...
#Unfortunate

KarlTom:
Sadly some so-called 'long-term investors' don't get the compounding trick.
Some are unwilling to sell high and reenter low simply because they have [and want to maintain] a low BE price...

PS: 222Martin wasn't the individual who sent that SC of 1m units of DANGSUGAR

@bolded...Word!

Sunrisepebble:
Portfolio update.
I’ve exited all my Transcorp.
Added Betaglass
Target prices for GT, MTN, Seplat, WAPCO and Zenith all exceeded, still think there’s upside in all

NFA/DYOR

Well-done Mr. Target price with doings.

But this MTN wey dier network dey do 1min in, 2mins out these days.
Make the upside reach common citizens as well Ooo