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Truthseeker10:
Where does the Bible teach that we can pray through Mary to intercede to Jesus?

I have given relevant passages in this thread to support Mary interceding in difficult circumstances with Jesus..

MaxInDHouse:
If you feel females should have their own separate model that's your own cup of coffee {Revelations 22:18-19} but when talking about Christianity it's either you accept what the scriptures say or you leave the faith human ideologies are unacceptable in sacred service to God! Isaiah 55:8-9

But you accept them your family, friends and brethren bearing female names from the Bible, isn't that role model association? They should as well all be bearing male names.

You are probably a man, so I assume you may not fully understand putting yourself in womens shoes within life daily activities and challenges.

but in certain context of gender, I would prefer to tell a young teens and pre-teen girl to model their life like Mary who kept herself pure until Marriage
Mary who despite Jesus stance, Mary pleaded with, believed in and convinced Jesus to answer her requests like the widow in Like 18.
Also even when Mary got revelations of her death in (luke 2:35), she still stood steadfast and took care of Jesus and probably remained faithful to God until her death.
Jesus also did the same, knew about his death, and stood firm until his death.
But I will relate the Mary's story to a young girl more..
It doesn't relegate Jesus. She still knows that only Jesus can answer prayers.
Mary played a supporting role in Jesus life that relates very well with the supporting role women play in men's life and world in general.

That's the positive aspect I picked from Catholics on Mary..

You can call it ideologies by quoting OT and NT that suits your narrative but I gave you verses from the NT which you didn't dispute either. you have not outrightly pointed out to what they are adding or subtracting in this context.
So to each his own I believe.
I try to be open minded to what works and improves holiness and righteousness across religion.
If I can call a fellow brethren to pray for me(to Jesus/God)
Why can't one call on others to pray for me(to Jesus/God)?
especially one who connects strongly with Christ from birth till death?


Nevertheless,Rev 12 seem to mention reference to a woman akin to Mary. This also adds to why they elevate her in honor as well I think.
Unless you have a different interpretation.

Ruth Ester and Naomi has been answered here.
Point to contents that show worship and I will rebuke them as well. They call it honor and Jesus and God are always at the centre of such activities.

chimex38:
Was Particular on new Testament.

Mary's a role model for Girls, Ladies and women.
Ruth and Naomi as well.
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I don't have a problem if others bring out Esther, Naomi and Ruth as well as role models for girls. They are less talked about in Bible schools.
But Catholics talks about Mary a lot and it connects to young girls and women.
[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=137353555]There are many models for girls to follow eg Ruth, Esther, the woman in Proverbs 31 and none of them have been worshipped.

You quoted an AI link, I opened it, told you what I saw as the centre of the message. Show me the content they bent?

As for the hookup provider, she is unholy and unrighteous.
But I don't see the correlation here. I cant say for other dead people catholics call saints.
But Mary was in the Bible and on the topic of discuss would you say Mary is unholy and unrighteous? not deserving an honor?
or that probably she didn't make heaven? Despite being called blessed amongst women by Elizabeth?

Dtruthspeaker:
Secondly, the contents are already clear and to deceive people like you they bent it. It is no different from a hook up provider singing Christian music, then you would say she is holy and righteous? Please, this is invalid.

Drunk? ee never reach like this
That is the ideal state but I am painting a practical life scenario.
Not all request from fathers children are bold enough to ask despite being the direct requirements.
Most past through their mother at times(weakness or severe unworthyness based on wrong the child has done) until they are bold or feel worthy enough to talk to their father directly(its our human nature)..
Such requests or prayers are sometimes granted.
It's just an expansion of my first post-an intersession.

might be "rubbish" to you as you are always bold and eager to meet your father no matter your state of worthiness and how furious you think he is with you and your father always responds swiftly to your demands.(afterall, he is a merciful God) Fine and good.

I have posted verses in this thread where despite Jesus reluctance and hard stance, through discernment and fact, it's assumed he yielded to Mary's demands.

But no one lens that fits all eyes.

Is the Heading: Novena to Mary not same as go to Mary in this analogy?
It's an analogy na? must it be explicitly the same?.
From afar the Heading sounds like Mary is the end.
Biut when you get closer, you see she is just a means to an end.
Well, it doesn't matter, it's English vocab, the God that they Worship understands the context of the contents of the Heading not the branded Heading itself. If it's a problem, help provide a better coincise Heading.

Do you not see that you are talking like a drunk?
Can uncle not go directly to his brother, the Father of the nephew?
Or can the son not go to his father as Jesus did and we all do as it is even better that we go to our fathers directly than to involve uncle? So where uncle won come from?

Not to talk of how you have changed it from "to" 2 "to go" that was not there

Please, this is a rubbish reply.

On a second look,
For that always asking question accusation part, I apologize for stressing you out. I don't know if you are one and the same, I mistook your moniker with one
"Truthseeker".

Dtruthspeaker:
And no, I am not adverse to answering questions but I always remember that the question always has a basis and the basis is itself based on who is supposed to be proving the claim aka burden of proof..

So once a person admits that their claim is wrong then they can ask me their own questions and I will answer as best as I can.

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Just as you acknowledge emphatically with "of course" to my question.
so also is the answer to your question "of course"it couldn't have been possible in the Bible during the lifetime or generations of Mary/Apostles.
If it was to be included, it had to happen not years after but Generations after .

Of course It must be after His murder and death as we can all see that they still did not get it until after The Holy Spirit came ai cleared it up for them to understand.

Now you are trying to shift post to raise issues that were not raised. No one mentioned genealogy after Christ died nor that praying to Jesus was alive or dead was wrong.

But the issue is about praying to Mary or as you tried changing it, praying through Mary, is wrong. And you tried defending it but your defence does not stand.

Yes, correct. No one mentioned genealogy after Christ or generations after Jesus and his disciples
Why I brought it up was to show its correlation to the question that it couldn't have been stated in the NT because the NT was limited in timeline post-Christ.
Nevertheless Rev12 strongly points to Mary as the woman and thus why she is honored by them at least. Unless probably you have a different interpretation.

Going by human endeavors in the old testament.
Just for context:

After Abrahams time,
The Generations and genealogies of Isaac that followed refered to God as God of Abraham.
After death of Isaac,
the Generations and genealogies of Isaac that followed refered to God as God of Abraham and Isaac .,
The generations after Jacob always refers to God as God of Abraham, God of Isaac,God of Jacob.
After Jacob, the popular chants were God of David I suppose.
I suppose there were God of Hezekiahz God of Josiah, etc
God of Elijah, etc...

If the generations were longer in the NT, there could possibly have been God of Peter, God of John, God of Paul, etc..

The point is:
Humans relate to God closely with previous humans who were seen as close to God as possible and almost guaranteed to have made heaven as well.
They create a form of associated or phrase to that effect to connect themselves to the Supreme Being( God)
Supreme Being sent Jesus as an ideal model, humans who fall short still associate with holy ones who came close to this ideal model both physically, and spiritually with biblical proof. Mary was one of them alongside apostles.

Truthseeker10:
So does the Bible tell us to pray through Mary or pray through Jesus?

Improper question-context.

Answer:
Pray through Jesus
Pray through Mary to intercede to Jesus
(I have listed verses in this thread that support her intercession ability through her and approval from Jesus).

In your own view and personal relationship, if we can pray to God directly, why do we need to pray through Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy when it comes to prayer both in the Old and New Testament there is only one name that's given to all believers: JESUS!

True.
At least the initial context of the discuss was to say in my opinion and understanding that they don't seem to be worshipping Mary as a wide misconception.
Also Females do need a gender role Model.

In all we all have our modes of worship that leads to Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
Moses also intercede for the Israelites! Exodus 32:10-14

So should people also pray through the name of Moses?

Well whatever you choose to do but God said we should listen to Jesus who said it's only through him we should pray!🙂

It's probably because we no longer practice the old law as it is.
So a typical Christian believe won't relate with "Moses".
Otherwise asking Moses to intercede won't also be a bad idea if one believes in Moses ways with supporting verses.
I see it as just being a longer-chain that still leads to Jesus.

I have replied here, that I was once doubtful, but the content of their prayers suggest otherwise. I respect it and don't condemn it especially as it serves as the centre of a female model young girls can model.
the link you quoted still depicts Jesus Christ as the centre of Faith.

chimex38:
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I understand the tendency to "worship". The wordings of their prayers suggest otherwise; an intersession
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Dtruthspeaker:
This proves you are Lying

Pray More Novenas
https://www.praymorenovenas.com
Novena to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
The novena is a prayer to Mary, the model of holiness.

AI Overview
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A novena prayer to Mary is a devotion praying for a specific intention over nine days

On the context of the semantics "To" and "Through"
It's like an Uncle(Religiousbody) who knows his nephew(christian member) gets all his needs and resources from his father(God). The nephew's mother(Mary) isn't capable on her own and the uncle knows it. Yet the uncle sends the nephew to go "to" his mother so she can persuade the father(God) on her son's behalf.
.......go to his mother in this sense is akin to "Novena to his mother.
The nephew will still have to pass through his mother to get to his father

This is off point. However Mark 16:17 answers that they did as we later see them casting out demons in The Name of Jesus.

But as I said, this is off point and your attempt to be diversionary just proves that you already know that you people can never defend this sin.

The verse was after his death not during.
Loll.. You are certainly not used to being questioned, you are used to asking the questions to drive your premise.

I understand where you're coming from. Yes, to be fair it looks off point.
But my point is the NT didn't record in detail so many geneologies/generations after Christ died..
So if praying in Jesus name while he was alive is "off point" (as you said ) until he died, and ascended,
So the point of seeking in the Bible where praying through Mary is stated is also "off point"() as there were people directly linked to Christ who were very much alive. until many generations after where direct-link to Jesus diminishes.

KarlTom:
This 3% is the official qty...

Loll.

Evnne:
Hello house,

I tried to borrow from Stanbic using my sukuk bond as collateral. Since the sukuk couldn't sell because it was bought three years ago with a lower rate, I inquired about the interest rate. My account officer said it's between 27% to 30%. Please, is this real?

I can bet you don't reside in Nigeria
Welcome to GIANT OF AFRICA

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible says it only through Jesus name that we must pray to our God {John 14:14} that's why no Christian ask anything in another name than in the name of Jesus {Luke 10:17; Act 3:6} because Jesus is the Amen! Revelations 3:14

So it's wrong praying to the father {Matthew 6:9} in any other name apart from Jesus! John 14:6

OK.
To and through will always remain a problem.
I bolded it for this reason.


Luke 2:48-49-
(Jesus at the temple @12)
John 2: 3-5(wine to water)
Matt 12:47-49
(mother and brothers)
These verses shows Jesus hard stance on his mission but it's believed he gave in to his mother's requests despite having a contrary opinion St that point in time.

These depics how one can be unworthy to even request sth from God and give up or backslide further(even though he/she shouldn't because God is a merciful God; but this is reality of life.)

Mary could intercede for you and help take your request and forgiving request to the Almighty while you work towards building a closer relationship with God so you are worthy enough to talk to him directly.
It's a win_win to me.
It's a matter of believe.

Truthseeker10:
Can you give an example of someone praying to Mary and where the bible teaches that Apostles who have died can intercede for us in prayer.

Praying through Mary not to Mary as I understand it.

Did the apostles pray to Jesus when he was Alive?

KarlTom:
Technically speaking, you are correct.

However, all investors really care about is the asset yield. Over the last three months, the mill has started depreciating in value...

Hmm.. Interesting.

they probably used it to pay tithe
We await Next yr.

GeneralDae:
If the U.S do this alone, are you sure they would care to easily differentiate who the herder terrorists are from amongst the people in Benue and Plateau? Do they even know or care about the dynamics of the conflict in the middlebelt except for the simplistic “Muslims are killing Christians Slogan”? Do you think this would be easy and quick as Trump boasted and would he care if it spirals into something else?

This is also my concern.

The US needs to work together with intelligence.
Unless before this announcement, they have carried out an independent underground undercover investigation..
Otherwise by the time they are done, internal tension hightens we become worse off!

awesomeJ:
There's really no more CGT, you should be liable to CIT, but since you made a loss, you won't pay. Also if your turnover is below 100m or so per annum, you don't pay any taxes, even if you make 90m as profits.

The approved and signed tax act says 50m turnover.
But the tax man keep saying 100m turnover

crownprince2017:
It's so funny that people believed because I sold a position I should come here and criticize the same, probably you expected my version of oando don cast, I ain't that stupid to de market people investment, because my opinion changes doesn't mean I'm or will be right.

When conversation comes up on it in future and it catches my attention, I can give opinions based on my convictions.

@First bolded.
Then I think it's better you don't tell when you sold.
It's the biggest demarkerter of people's investments than criticism.

@2nd bolded
Criticizing a stock constructively is more of an awareness, concern, fact analysis from people's perspective for the business and future prospects of both stock and business.

Yes, correct every criticisms appears as demarketing for any stock one is invested in.
However, I still think the demarkerting angle is shallow and on a lower scale of preference in the larger scheme of things. It only serves personal interests rather than collective interest.

Agbalowomeri:
E still dey mill stone. E never begin mill palm oyel

At least it's operational.

awesomeJ:
They should mediate and let the government's complacency continue?

Is the president's life worth more than that of a single victim??

If the US is willing to put boots on the ground, they're totally welcome, even if it's a 50% reduction in the violence that's achieved, that would translate to thousands of lives saved per year.

I don't see any loser here, apart from an incompetent government trying to protect silly ego in the name of sovereignty.

We really need to value human lives much more than some of our people currently do.

Maybe na the grammar be your issue.
I was only adding support.

But you and I know that Trump and Tinubu are having diplomatic friction..

Both Presidents also want to solve the killing crisis.
These two clergy men have proven to be in the good books of both Trump and the Nigerian population.

I just think Trump and Tinubu will need mediators if they are to work together. Any unilateral invasion will look like usurping the Sovereign state of the country.
Rather than (Nigeria + USA) Vs Terrorists.
It becomes (Nigeria + USA) Vs (Nigeria + Tinubu) Vs Terrorists creating ripple effects of war before it even starts.

Remember GEJ wasn't assisted when he requested for help from the US of A as well..
Then the escalation wasn't this extended. I think mediators inform of delegates would have helped.

jonnysessy:
The is a saying common with the Americans and I quote "Never say never" 😁

The way we antagonise one another because we have different of opinion on this platform is not good. People leave the topic of discussion and attack personality. Some even attack a very good stock because it was mentioned by a perceived enemy. I really don't know why we are like this. Just behave like the Nigerian Politicians, today you are in PDP, tomorrow you are in APC. The man in question may turn around to bad mouth Ellah Lakes, it still remains his opinion. There is enough money to be made by all in NGX.

Just like my father would say and I quote " The sky is big enough for all birds to fly without colliding "

Exactly..on point.
Chief Critique don buy Ellah
Chief Supporter don sell Ellah.
#Irony

On a second note,
I don't also think a company interested in the share price of its business when its in the process of issuing a public offer or right issue is a red flag, especially PO.
Minimising dilution effect is very important for management and the Board, chairman and owners who have higher stakes..
Major owners will be impressed cuz of their reduced dilution effect.
I don't think any company will want to issue majority or all of its assets as shares.
The goal is always less shares *high share price= to meet capitalization.
However they justify the high share price and get public involved to meet capitalization requirement is a mark of efficiency.

GTB took advantage of our currency exchange with the pounds sterling at almost ₦2000 to issue less shares and still meet capita requirements.

If Ellah is interested in SP at this point, it's understandable.
but make them try dey smarter before they shoot themselves for leg.

jonnysessy:
I love this response from you. It is high time everyone on this thread know that investment is not a team event. People may market and praise a stock, they may not really have a unit there. On the other hand, they may really have it and have a very good reason to quickly exit. I believe they owe no one any explanation. Don't buy a stock because Mr A is buying, buy a stock you have done due diligence. The earlier you allow this to sink, the better for you. A word is enough for the wise.

My own take Is:
You don't not need to tell us when you sold..thats even too generous if you do.
But you do need to come back to criticize it the same way you hyped it if possible.
Theres nothing bad in it.. Change of opinions from time to time is a huge part of the market.
But it becomes difficult to swallow your talk when derogatory words(naysayers, bad belle, enemies, wicked, etc) are used on personalities just for criticizing a stock and now reaching the same conclusion some of them reached months or yrs ago.

I always see such words as fighting for the sustained share price of the stock rather than justifying the sustained business behind the stock.

Raider76:
I agree with your interpretation. I attach a shot of the section. Best us for people to get the Gazette itself.

Another point to consider is "... disposal of shares in any Nigerian company ...". This may mean that it is individual company based. There is no mention of "PORTFOLIO" in the law. Each company is regarded as a separate asset, just like in real estate where each property is regarded a separate investment. That means you have to own and dispose of shares worth N150m on aggregate in one company, and gain N10m from when you bought them before you pay tax. This maybe why they said that more than 97% of people in the market will not be affected. I may be wrong here. Hope the lawyers in the house would help.

You make a point.
To add to the "confusion"
Is the shares in company" referring to shares in company in NGX or shares of company(registered businesses) which has investments in NGX?

MadamExcellency:
Mathematics and Physics.

I took Electrical and Electronics in WAEC alone in the centre of a thousand candidates. The supervisor said I should carry my textbooks and I refused and he left the hall for me.

A Technical school?
Do they do physics with Electrical and electronics options?

I think AGGRESSIVE SUPPORT and DEFENCE by one's conviction morally demands at least PASSIVE CRITICISM if there's change of mind even if it's just PASSIVELY stated.

crownprince2017:
When people become too emotional about a company or because they wished people lose their money so they can say I told you, then it's senseless.
I said n I quote, buy and sell on your convictions and not follow follow that left some people trapped in oando.

Immediately I discovered clearly that Ellahlakes management are interested in sp of their shares I have to tell myself the bitter truth and act accordingly.

I had to move my funds with over 400% gain to presco, okomu, VFD and access.

My leaving doesn't mean people can't make money and me staying doesn't mean people can't lose money... Follow your own convictions and not strangers here.

Any company that is obviously desperate about sp is a turn off for me.

If presco does the same tommorow, I will leave without leaving a Kobo there. No emotions.

@ bolded is just enough even after selling.

now you've said what you think, every reader will then make of it what he/she thinks based on their own DD as well.

emmanuelewumi:
But you should have shared this with people here, when you made the move to sell Ellah Lakes.

I know you are one of the major the chief defenders of Ellah Lakes on this platform

Fixed

ololufemi:
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On a lighter note, the FGN can engage Pastor Paul Adefarasin to talk to President Trump on the issue since na him be dem Pastor and even officiated at their wedding.
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Trump also invited Pastor Kumuyi to his inauguration in USA January this year.
Both can be mediators.

ololufemi:
Oga, go and verify. Donald Trump's daughter, Tiffany is married to Michael Boulous, a product of the Bolous Group Empire (Massad and Sarah Boulous). Dude was even born in America as well, so he holds multiple passports. They are naturalised Nigerians thus making their son a Nigerian.

Sarah Boulous owns Society for Performing Arts in Nigeria and she is the face behind the Nigeria version of the reality show Dancing with the Stars that ruled the Nigerian Airways a few decades ago. Her husband, Massad Bolous runs the Bolous Group through SCOA PLC, his major holding company, and he is heavily invested in many sectors of the Nigerian economy such as toiletries, motorcycles, electronics, automobiles, heavy duty equipments, etc.

Interesting.. Had no idea.
Trump should come to Nigeria to see his Grandchildren

ololufemi:
No qualms my brother. I no even vex with the statement at all. Just wanted to share some knowledge.

On a lighter note, the FGN can engage Pastor Paul Adefarasin to talk to President Trump on the issue since na him be dem Pastor and even officiated at their wedding.

Even though a lot of people may be annoyed with the designation and castigate the US about the CPC thingy. If they think deeply and juxtaposed thw security events with what is going on in other African countries, you'll realise that it is all about resource control within selected territorial areas.

Events in Sudan and Congo which have markers that look genocidal, will make anyone have a rethink about the nonsensical way Buhari handled the whole Boko Haram issue.

The Sudan issue is all about the gold and resources therein the country and the militia are being rumoured to be sponsored by some wealthy countries in the middle east which Nigeria must be careful of.

The militia guys in Sudan were used by the government to wage a civil war on the dark skinned people and drive the dark skinned Sudanese into creating South Sudan.

Today, that same militia has now turned on their partners in government, fighting them and trying to gain control of areas of Sudan laden with gold and other mineral resources.

The aim is also to create chaos and insecurity to enable them gain access to these resources. Unfortunately, the local population ha e also gotten themselves involved in crime such as kidnapping which worsens the scenarios therein.

Africans especially West Africa needs to wake up and smell the coffee so that they can protect themselves against any incursion into the region. Education and knowledge transfer needs to be prioritised across the region for positive enlightenment to the younger ones.

In addition to this, economies of these countries need to grow positively at double digit rates to witness development as well as the proposal that ECOMOG needs to be resuscitated and strengthened to combat any insurgents from militias and terrorists in the region.

The politicians and the people have a lot of work to do to secure their territorial areas.

Be like Industrial relations be part of your forth.
Weldone for the exposition

funkymedina2:
OMG ! Ladies and gentlemen ..Ellah Lakes, same period EOY July 2025, different results ..
May God have mercy , I am invested in this company. Please someone explain this and tell me I am tripping, please tell me how I am wrong

Copy and paste gone wrong.
Unedited sections..
Now I see the correlation between their results and the Tie the CEO was wearing the other day which someone pointed out..

mikeapollo:
I am not trying to exonerate the company or NGX. My point is that the issue can be fixed easily without much damage

yes it can, but they probably won't.
Did you see how NAHCO swiftly corrected their error(within 24hrs) on the TAX section of their report, despite not affecting the PAT and EPS numbers?
that's more like a Management in business

KarlTom:
Why does it happen to be ONLY their results that the machine brings up an error? Same machine that scanned BUA & FBN results in HD?

In addition, I don't think paper results/disclosures are still being sent in paper format...

Aradel releases results in Beautiful shades of Red.

Olaide1295:
Nah. It’s a 46 day paper. So people were not really interested.
The bids were still enough but CBN wanted to sell at a lower yield.

True as well.
Let it not be that The Tax effect is playing a role