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agree with you 100%

however in terms of revenue diversity Nigeria is already picking up. technology, entertainment, agriculture are posting strong numbers

rvp2018:
I know that. Nigeria would have done well if it stuck to that. But Oil became a curse instead of a blessing. It's destroyed your agricluture. Nigeria as British colony was doing very very well...with world leading export of Palm Oil. Now it's ZERO.

When oil goes to zero - Nigerian wakes up - and talk diversity.

When oil goes back up - Nigerian get drunk - and go back to merry making

if mediocrity is what you call doing well that's your business.

or now we should blame your forefathers who were not organized enough for your lack of development? please come with another story. Kenya has good fertile land to become an economic power house but what do you do? grow tea and flowers. where given education to develop yourselves but nobody reckons with you on the continent except to come and make money of you guys.

oh please tell me another sob story Nigerian education under the british was no better and you weren't the only ones the british exploited. have you the story of jaja of opobo a nigerian man who tried to enter the exclusive oil palm trade business of the british? every african country has their own story but you try to rise above such things.

Kenya as a country has enjoyed relative peace for all your countries existence but what extraordinary development can you point to? Black South Africans that had it way worse off than you guys are already better than you so what's your excuse

rvp2018:
Indians don't dominate anything in kenya apart from manufacturing. I hope you understand that kenya economy is very diverse. Those doing well in manufacturing mostly inherited business and grew them. And there are many black industrialist now.

Just know we started from the scratch. We don't have Dangote who inherited business from his grand parents. We don't have Kings and Princes who inherited fortunes or merchant class who made tonnes of money before our independence.

Under the British racial system in kenya - Africans were not even allowed to plant tea or coffee or even sell their milk - their schooling was curtailed at std 4 - we were supposed to become menial labour for British - and Indians were the merchant class. We could not vote or do anything.

So our independence had more significance to us than you.

All black kenyans in 1963 began literally from ZERO....and we have done VERY VERY well. Many began without any land because the British had grabbed million acres of land for themselves.

he won't understand. before oil relying just on agriculture we educated our citizens free of charge, established universities built the first tv station in africa had health institutions to be proud of.

Just30:
Nigeria future is it citizens

highly productive bunch

guy what are you talking about? you said the reason why Indians in kenya are billionaires is because mummy and daddy left them a small fortune and i'm telling you there are generations of Indians and Lebanese who have lived in Nigeria for decades yet their descendants don't dominate the Indians do in your country. for goodness sake even zimbabwe that has loads of whites and a few Indians their richest man is a native what's your excuse?

rvp2018:
Now you're contradicting yourself. Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa were under DIRECT BRITISH RULE. Nigeria, Ghana, Uganda and such countries were indirect rule...there were hardly any British citizen who came there.

The British just kidnapped the King favorite son - and kept them in Britain - and told your kings to keep sending them money as they need.

In Ghana - they simply threaten to sit on the Golden Stool unless Ghana paid 76B dollars . They never really needed to set foot in Ghana - and rule anybody. Maybe a tiny staff at colonial office in Accra to keep the count of Ghana repartition in gold and palm oil.

In Kenya - they found a country without any King or queen to make deal with or threaten - so they basically had come rule the country, farm the land, grow the economy, set up structures and the work.

British brought lot of Indians as workers. Indians business - mostly Gujaratis - also came to Kenya to do business - because the system favoured them. You need to understand Gujarati are very very good business men.

really!? and the indians in Nigeria and South Africa just arrived those respective countries this century? nobody left an inheritance for them too? rafiki please just save it.

rvp2018:
You need to understand that current rich Indians in kenya inherited business set up in 1900-1930s by their grand fathers. Pick any example. Manu Chandaria - The Shahs - name them. These are 3rd or 4th generation who found business - and came back with MBAS abroad - to expand them.

You indians are fresh of the boat and haven't or will never settle.

honestly they need to change their weed supplier

Austine1213:
Yall mention SA seeking relevance

Singapore lol, Kenya Singapore one sentence lol just imagine

after all this your epistles you still haven't explained why Indians are the richest in your country. it's even confirms how lazy you guys are 150,000 out of 47 million yet they make up most of your billionaires.

Indians leave and work here like every national but you won't find them dominating richest list of nigerians. mind you a few of them here are also citizens but I've never seen or heard that an Indian born Nigerian or Lebanese was one of Nigeria's wealthiest individuals.

rvp2018:
You're wrong. Most of the Indians left with whites en-masse. The white basically nearly all bolted out in 1962.
The Indians stayed for a few years but by 1967 - they had mostly left for Britain and Canada.

At indepedence we had 180,000 indians.
In 1965 - we gave them an option to renounce the British citizenship - 50,000 refused and chose to relocate to Britain.
In 1967 - we began Africanization of the economy - immediately there was an exodus of 23,000 indians.

Part of Africanization - was to ban Indians from engaging in many business and in many areas.

The Kenyan Africanization policy forced Britain to establish the 1968 Commonwealth Immigrants Act - and we forced out I think thousands more Indians to Britain...that were insisting on holding the British passport.

And we were left with about 100,000 indians who choose to be Kenyan citizen- now grown to 150,000 . Those Indians mostly went to manufacturing because there were no restriction in there. Now they are indeed very wealthy and proud citizens. They are our 44th tribe.

https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/life-and-style/dn2/asians-face-mass-expulsion-to-britain-as-africanisation-starts-880578

Tanzania decided to go communism and basically grabbed (nationalized) all Indian properties.

Uganda basically woke up one day and gave Indians 3 months to get out.

Now Nigeria has what 1M indians and you want to tell us about Indians owning our economy.

Wrong! the Indians you see in Nigeria are business men or their employees brought to work in Nigeria. The Indians in your country are subjects of the british govt brought to work in your country before independence just like the ones you find in Uganda, South Africa and Tanzania. After your colonial masters left Indians took over your economy and commerce which you are yet to control. Most wealthy kenyans who are natives are linked to politicians.

Shma:
Bravo For that creativity! we have acknowledged it . But that will not dispute the facts on ground, you have more Indians than us, but what are they doing? Unfortunately, they don't add value to your land unlike ours who does, see the whites in S. A, they have developed S. A in an unimaginable state.
The legitimacy of how they are doing business is what should be questioned, and those four Indians out of 20 richest people in Kenya should not fool your mind that Indians are now dominating kenya.
The Indians in Kenya are the same Indians staying in Nigeria in equal legal measures unlike S. A.

rafiki! so because we don't allow Indians dominate here they have no value? so europeans and other nationals in our economy have no value? lol dude

Shma:
Bravo For that creativity! we have acknowledged it . But that will not dispute the facts on ground, you have more Indians than us, but what are they doing? Unfortunately, they don't add value to your land unlike ours who does, see the whites in S. A, they have developed S. A in an unimaginable state.
The legitimacy of how they are doing business is what should be questioned, and those four Indians out of 20 richest people in Kenya should not fool your mind that Indians are now dominating kenya.
The Indians in Kenya are the same Indians staying in Nigeria in equal legal measures unlike S. A.

sorry how is it wahala? did they ask you for money for the burial? typical tactic of always using something else to deflect from the current debate smh

mtisTheQubit:
You guys bring Wahala everywhere you go na

you don't get it, you sound like an ignorant guy

Top ten richest people in South Africa are all South Africans. Boers, Indians and locals legitimately staying in SA. They duly followed the due process to secure South African citizenship.

Saying all this does not imply that richest people in South Africa are whites, that's why I call you an ignorant person who can't think of doing research before running the mouth.
I can give you the list of top 20 richest people in South Africa and I bet you won't believe your eyes when you see it.

The overall rank of wealth will unfortunately dissapoint your thoughts.

you agree right?

Shma:
you don't get it, and you sound like an ignorant guy.
Top ten richest people in Kenya are both Kenyans(Indians who are legitimately staying in Kenya are kenyan Indians, they didn't grab land, they duly followed all the process to secure kenyan citizenship)
Saying all this does not imply that richest people in Kenya are Indians, that's why I call you an ignorant person who can't think of doing research before running the mouth.
I can give you the list of top 20 richest people in Kenya and I bet you won't believe your eyes when you see it.
Yes. in business, we have richest kenyan Indian.
The overall rank of wealth will unfortunately dissapoint your thoughts.

lol Kenya developed by Kenyans but your richest men are Indians.

The same SA you are criticizing at least one or two black billionaires.

Indians in Nigeria like everybody else work hard but Nigerians work extra harder so foreigners won't dominate our economy.

lol you talk as if kenya is the only country in Africa that has a conducive business environment where everyone foreigners and locals a like can participate. look tomato jos on twitter and that American dude that owns the bike hailing company who was recently murdered in new york.

on the bold are you sure rafiki?

Shma:
this is how you were conditioned to believe.
Lemme enlighten you Mr.
Kenya is a potential country for business and when you see a nigeria making millions in Kenya, don't get shocked, the same way Indians are investing in Kenya and booming revenue back to our country .
Indians in Nigeria are idlers who don't add value to your land.
In Kenya, the hard working Indian will survive and the lazy one will die poor.
Same goes to Other hard working foreigners blacks or whites.
Kenya is developed by Kenyans and some few kenya Indians who have dedicated their work in Kenya.
We don't have cases where Indians are grabbing lands or dominating our businesses.
I have schooled with Indians in the same school back in high school and primary, there is no special care for them, we're both treated equal.

lol the funniest thing is Buhari (who i don't even rate by the way) has done more than even your University trained Uhuru. Food security which is Kenyans greatest challenge he hasn't solved. importing maize that you can easily grow in your country. a peaceful country yet relying on food aid to feed your poor northern inhabitants.

At least as poor as Buhari is he has eliminated the need to waste scarce forex on rice when barely a few years ago we were Africa's top rice importer. He's now doing the same thing with maize.

honestly you guys can do better in the kind of presidents you choose. not this snake oil sales man who has indebted generated generations of kenyans with nothing to show for it except a loss making railway and port

rvp2018:
I think you're mixing causality and causation. The white folks are better - because they are generally better educated. The problem with blacks is poor or lack of education. Look at our Moi - primary school graduate or Nigeria's Buhari - an idiot who doesn't even have primary school leaving certificate. Even if they have the best intentions - their limited world view and intelligence - will work against them - and that leadership is cascaded throughout the society - including in cattle dip or kindgarten committe.

Now look at someone brilliant like Kibaki - and assume we had the same brilliance all through - it would show up.

African or blacks will get there - but they need serious investment in education.

Education is the biggest denominator in life - in nearly all decisions including basic stuff like family planning.

And because a human being is such a slowly growing thing - the results of education will show up in 20-50yrs - so nobody cares because it's not quick win.

Next after education is to improve nutrition - this will eventually led to higher IQ.

Indians don't dominate our economy unlike yours. Richest, most dominant industrialists are all natives of the land

Shma:
if that is your logic, then nigeria outsmart us in that game. Hence, no black nation can grow by its own.
Do you know we have more Indians in Nigeria than kenya?

Lebanese don't dominate our economy the way Indians do in yours.

Richest, business giants in Nigeria are natives of the land. Lebanese are players in our economy just like Indians, Chinese, South Africans, Italians, Germans etc

The development you guys have are largely driven by your Indian born Kenyan citizens. How many non-indian individuals not linked to the Kenyattas run Kenyan economy

mtisTheQubit:
the impact of Indians on Kenyan economy can not be denied same as Lebanese in your country..but Kenay is not a developed country like South Africa...we are just getting there..bythe way Indians are into manufacturing an other few areas but blacks dominate the rest

hmmm but why do you guys get all defensive when we bring up the Indian descendants who dominate your economy?

so based on the bold and your logic it's safe to say Kenya developed because of the Indian folks right?

mtisTheQubit:
South Africa developed because of White folks an Minerals...call me racist or not but thats the truth....

An its not SA alone..ther is something wrong with black africa an development..or basically black culture

Guys the South African national budget does it cover the provinces expenditures or do they have their own separately sourced budgets?

cc JIn115, Austine1213

QED!

Austine1213:
Steve Jobs a college dropout
Bill gates college dropout
Etc

You should learn more criticise less, bashing nigeria won't make Kenya more beautiful

Bashing Ghana Wont make poverty in kenya better

Bashing Tanzania wont make kenya richer

Bashing Uganda wont change the reality of kenya

Bashing SA wont make kenya problems better


You seem to an angry soul, go drink more water, stop being naive, stop being ignorant, study more analyze stats and information.

Ignorancy, jelousy wont get you anywhere

guy there is a saying i'm sure you've heard of it somewhere, before you remove a speck from someone's eye remove the boulders taking root in yours

mtisTheQubit:
Another tale from Kusini ya Africa

This is one area Nigeria has failed to catch up to all these years.

All this talk of Fulani herdsmen/farmer crisis would have been avoided if we had just gone into organized ranching.

We also have one of Africa's largest herd of cattle but it's still largely pastoral. A few state have started setting up Ruga (hausa word) settlements to house herders and their cattle.

A lot of our milk was largely imported as well but Government policy has started encouraging some dairy companies to look inward to source milk from local ranches

Austine1213:
Africa

Africa is comprised of 54 countries. The total number of dairy cows in Africa is five times that of the United States (49 vs. 9 million). The highest milk producing countries in Africa are Ethiopia, Kenya, South Africa, and Sudan. Of these countries, Ethiopia has the most cows whereas South Africa has the greatest milk production per cow. Among the top four milk producing countries, only two (Ethiopia and Kenya) are self-sufficient, meaning dairy production meets or exceeds dairy consumption. Therefore, an opportunity exists to expand dairy production throughout Africa rather than needing to import dairy products.

Within Africa, two different dairy industry models exist: modern and smallholder. An example of the modern dairy industry is South Africa, which is most similar to the United States. In South Africa, many dairy farms exceed 500 cows and use a TMR feeding system.



NB this is no competition reply

shouldn't be too hard to get Ndidi to switch to Arsenal if we are serious.

Spy360:
Sarr since I know more about him than the others. But we primarily need a DM most, and an AM.

If Ozil is staying we need him. If he isn't we need a good replacement. Grealish is very good, Zaha too. If we can tempt Ndidi to play EL (if we qualify) with us instead of Leicester that will be great.

zhike:
Kenya is 100% ahead of Nigeria.
In Nigeria there is rebels , no rebels in Kenya
In Nigeria there is tribal wars , no tribal wars in kenya
In Nigeria there is religious war, no religious way in Kenya
In order to be successful in Nigeria you must go outside Nigeria, you can be successful in Kenya
Nigeria are lawlessness, Kenyan are law abiding citizens
Kenyans learns from South Africa, Nigerians hate South Africa because is developed than Nigeria .

lol this must be the Kenyan suffering and smiling.

Alsabab says hi.

2008 election crisis says hello.

TheSuperNerd:
@bolded.... This is so true. Anyway, it's well. England will be better represented in the UCL by the Big 4 of Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd than by this annoying Rodgers-coached Leicester.
Really feel for Ndidi and Nacho.

Brendan Rodgers really needs a good look at the mirror. however let's not be too harsh at the beginning of the season nobody would have predicted they would finish as high as 5th, but the manner of capitulation would leave a sour taste. KC has had a better season but still far of what he can produce. unfortunately of field issues might finally signal parting of ways with Leicester City. laughing at your club captain is an absolute no no. today's missed opportunity against man u added to last year's vs city won't help his cause.
overall maybe a new league would help him get regular football and improve his professionalism
almost forgot ndidi another great season from him. hope a bigger team snap him up next season

caught red handed

samorobo:
Ok this motherfvcker just shot himself in the ass....how do you know WATHONI if you haven't watched that show...ladies and gentlemen we have another biggest BBN fan from Kenya...good you've join the club...U are welcome "the latest bbn fan"

Afobear:
Aveeeeraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaageeeeeeeeee grandpa Azubuike... Definitely better than Pirlo and Iniesta

you this stubborn guy you have come again

little digression learnt Henderson was awarded the player of the season by football writers. so KDB, Mane were frying groundnut abi? smh

Football is all about results. results are facts not all this subject/object talk you want to introduce.

When Nwakali gets enough game, gets invited again to the national team and starts performing in the GWG then you can start comparing

IDENNAA:
The word "better" is subjective , vague and relative in all sense. I was cautious enough not to use it because I know how you guys can get.

Nwakali that you mentioned is a playmaker from the few club games you have watched here and there how many assists has he provided? how many games have you seen him "organize things in the middle and coordinate"?

Nwakali though talented has a long way to go. If you used a obviously superior player to critique Iwobi i would have no issues. Alex can better no doubt but their is no proof (at least for now) that Nwakali is better

IDENNAA:
Alex Iwobi , without any doubt, has features of a talented player. Yes, he has scored some nice goals for SE , however , what we need is a creative midfielder who can organize things in the middle and coordinate with Osimhen ,KC , Chukwueze and S. Kalu up front, and Iwobi could not pull that off despite the insane talents he is blessed to work with.
However, this is not because he has no talent but he is not a playmaker which Nwakali is despite his setbacks. This is about abilities rather than form. Why are blacks deficient in critical reasoning ?

bro i think Nwakali is a good talent who can still come good but I feel you are being too critical of Iwobi. Alex in the Super Eagles bar Mikel has been our best midfielder. How many midfielders in the History of the super eagles except for okocha do you know have scored as much goals as Iwobi.

His club form is due mostly to various coaches not really knowing how to utilize him. once he gets a role he can flourish in then i think we will get to see the best of him

IDENNAA:
I was just analyzing Nwakali and Iwobi's abilities. Can Iwobi score a free kick

good one for him. only snag is Nigerian footballers don't have a great recent with them. hopefully his will be the exception

ChrisKels:
Zaidu to FC Porto all but confirmed. The move makes O'jogo cover page today. Champions league football omotoso

good one. great place to reignite his career.

hope he does well cos i still feel he has a good 2 years of top quality football in him.

TheSuperNerd:
No more a rumor... It's confirmed. Just waiting for the unveiling/official announcement from the club themselves. We now have Four Nigerians at Rangers. Two are Super Eagles. The other two still prospects. Not a bad move at 32.

Happy Birthday Chief more blessings

andrewbaba44:
Thank you