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which break up play? of the top of your head can you recollect any good performance (not even asking for great) from the duo?

Eartquake1:
Better at what? Atleast Agu and Esiti break up play

yes he's not a DM but other aspects of his game (endless running and harrassing of opponents) fits what we are looking for in that DM role think of him as a poor man's Kante

OMANBALA1:
Etebor is not a DM...he is a makeshift. Thus , the placing. That's the complex we must remember.

etebo is most definitely better than numbers 5-7

Eartquake1:
Midfield hierarchy for SE

Starters:
1 Ndidi
2 Aribo
3 Iwobi

Options:
4 Azeez
5 Agu
6 Azubuike
7 Esiti

Standby:

7 Etebo

agree especially the point you make in your second paragraph about not playing etebo or ndidi together. infact it's no longer breaking news that their combination at the AFCON was why our midfield transitions weren't so smooth which proofed ultimately costly against the algerians. etebo for now should be a backup for ndidi incase of injury or loss of form. both should only be on the pitch at the same time when we want to park the bus

OMANBALA1:
I think Aribo is a good inclusion but I kind of laugh when people imply he is indispensable. I will like to see him play more against African opponents to get a complete assessment. Without any doubt Aribo has an eye for goal and maybe an edge over Etebor in passing ability but Etebor is a workhorse. I wish Etebor can improve his passing game ,perhaps , that will encourage the coach to push him further where he actually belongs. Etebor and Iwobi are not midfielders.

However, I think playing Etebor and Ndidi is a bad combination because here are two very energetic players who want to contest for a every ball and tackles-duels. This is a problem because there must be a sort of moderator for that midfield to gell. This is why Mikel-Onazi combination worked so well. Its always chaotic whenever you have Ndidi and Etebor playing at the same time. Aribo, on the other hand is much calmer and a natural midfielder unlike a convert like Etebor who started off as an attacker.

on the bold i'm really surprised how etebo just completely lost his scoring touch. someone who scored goals for fun with the u23s and olympic team. even on his debut (i think) against egypt he popped up with a goal just don't understand why this is so. even if we say it's because of the deeper role etebo plays in midfield Aribo has shown that one can still venture forward.

i'm the more puzzled considering from recent past antecedents he has shown an appetite to get forward yet Obi Mikel who barely gets forward had more goals than etebo during rohr coaching stint

charlesemeka85:
you made a point and also contradicted the same point.

no one told you that aribo is indispensable neither did any said or insinuate that etebo is not needed in the team anymore.

aribo brought something to the team that is lacking in etebo's game which is better passing ability and goal scoring while etebo energetic style of play is still vital to the team which solely depends on the opposition and approach the coach intends to deploy.

if mikel at a point became dispensable in the team i see no reason aribo wont be benched if he doesnt maintain the level and standard he has created for himself since his debut. the beauty of the whole scenario is having a good depth of players which brings competition for shirt and also to replace with ease any important member of the team who is injured or lose form

lol guy you bad o

LaMujer:
Iorfa is 24.

Has played professional football for 6 years plus and over 100 games since 2013 that's not enough. Why so few games if he is so good.

He has played in a number of leagues in England, (the best country to test your prowess) League 1, Premiership, and Championship


Football is always about the HERE and NOW. Why is he not playing for his parent club?





Just saying.......What's good for the goose, is good for the gander

charlesemeka85:

one to do with sentimental and bias lol

only 5? ahn ahn at least 13 can comfortably scale the hurdle

aina, ndidi, aribo, ekong, omeruo, iwobi, M. simon, kalu, chukwuez, osimhen, musa, etebo, awaziem are definitely not carpenters by any stretch of the imagination

andrewbaba44:
Many of them there on the list are not bad, i dont just really have the power to argue

If i am to go by his own definition of carpentry only about 4 or 5 super eagles player will survive my list

but those talents still need someone who will take a chance on them to put them on a platform to "ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES"

komekn:
The term discovered is very ambiguous.

In my opinion the best players are not discovered they perform so well that they essentially ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES and are recognised.

i'm positively disposed to Finidi being in charge eventually but for now due to his inexperience in managerial football i would make him rohr's right hand man till the german finishes his tenure with the national team

komekn:
I would put in Finidi as head coach immediately no question.

He has nothing to learn from anybody in the NFF or Amumeke for that matter.

Is Gareth Southgate better than him or more knowledgeable. Having Finidi who is not begging for money but wanting to create a name would be the best option.

Anybody familiar with the NFF is more likely to concede to unethical practices and dubious alliances.

Finidi is a Fresh face with no excess questionable luggage.

Arthur Boka and Sol Bamba are not that bad i actually rated bamba before his injury.

i also think you are being unfair to Jean Seri. i feel he has worked hard and earned the right to be called professor emeritus of midfield carpentry

darkelf:
FACULTY OF CARPENTRY (IVORY COAST CAMPUS)

Dean: CHRISKELS

Sub-dean: Ibrahima Sangare

HOD: Victorien Angban

Professor (Cheik Tiote Endowed Professor of Midfield Carpentry): Didier Ya Konan

Reader (Winner of the GK carpentry price for unmatched mediocrity): Sylvain Gbohuo

Senior Lecturer: Arthur Boka

Lecturer I (Inaugral Winner of the Gbas-Gbos award for directionless attack) : Seydou Doumbia

Lecturer II: Giovanni Sio

Assistant Lecturer: Jonathan Kodija

Graduate Assistants: Jean Seri

Emeritus Faculty:

Professors

Sol Bamba

Lamine Kone

Senior Research Fellows

Cheick Ibrahim Comara

Ibrahim Ouattara

Adjunct Professors

Lacina Traore

Jean Francis N'Da

i've followed the debate about whether amuneke would be an ideal future candidate for the super eagles. personally if amuneke's management style doesn't change anytime soon then i'm sorry i don't think he would be the one to take over from rohr.

tactically i haven't seen him do anything extraordinary. if it's the u17s i didn't see any mind blowing football from his side in 2015 when he was in charge. Talent spotting and senior national team management are two entirely different kettles of fish. his time in sudan and with tanzania haven't changed my mind about him either.

the main reason I would be against him joining the super eagles setup is the stories of corruption also around him. his involvement in the whole KC Iheanacho transfer to man city saga plus 2015 u17 player selection controversy leave much to be desired.

Also from interviews he has given i think his coaching style is the type that demands total obedience from players which might lead to clashes and conflict with some of our players. the national team is experiencing peace and serenity right now i wouldn't like a return to the days of beefing and mistrust again.

like charlesemeka said let him get another job that will further refine him and help him improve his player management. knowing tactics is not enough in football management ask oliseh.

yes the figures look suspicious but remember bello is an egbira man okene is the heartland of ebiraland. it's not too illogical that they could have voted massively for their son. in 2015 bello wasn't initially on the ballot. after audu died was bello then drafted for supplementary elections in one or two wards after elections were declared inconclusive

References:
https://www.thecable.ng/2015-vs-2019-apc-votes-increase-by-over-600-in-okene-alone

actually Doc aina has two assists. you forgot the sexy back heel pass he gave ighalo for his goal against burundi at this years afcon

TheSuperNerd:
Super Eagles Stats Report...


Most goal contributions for the Super Eagles Post AFCON2019(The post Mikel/Post Ighalo era):

Victor Osimhen - 4 goals, 2 assists.
Alex Iwobi - 1 goal, 2 assists.
Joe Aribo - 2 goals.
Samuel Chukwueze - 1 goal.
Samuel Kalu - 1 goal. (If winning a penalty is considered an assist, he would be on 1 assist too)
Moses Simon - 1 assist.
Ramon Azeez - 1 assist.
Ola Aina - 1 assist. (If winning a penalty is considered an assist, he would be on 2 assists).


Clutch.


Courtesy: OptaSuperEagles.

Osimhen hadn't kicked a ball in professional football because 1. he was getting back from injury and 2. he was signed by wolfsburg before he turned 18 on a pre-contract. it was when he turned 18 he signed a full professional contract with wolfsburg and became eligible to play first team football. like i said before he was invited as a youth prospect on the back of exceptional performances for junior teams which is not unusual considering that the tanzania game was more or less a competitive friendly plus he didn't even make the final squad for the match so where is the controversy?

now he played only two bundesliga matches before it was he didn't play any game before south african match good we are making progress

ogbeni etoo and walcott didn't do jack robinson before they were taken to world cup. not friendly o! or qualifying match o! a whole world cup where you take the best of your best. i'm very sure if rohr had taken kelechi nwakali to last year's world cup based on your excuse for etoo and walcott nairaland would have crashed that day from your incessant whining and gnashing of teeth

forgiveness:
Osimhen didn't kick a ball in professional football before he was called to the National team against Tanzania. Whereas, Eto and Walcott already did before they were called to the National team. So, don't compare.

Osimhen only played two matches in the Bundesliga before he was called the second time. He played against Togo in a friendly before he later played against South Africa.

Osimhen never deserved to be called as at that time because he did nothing to deserve it after just two games all seasons.

You think goals is what makes some players exceptional? Eto's performance earned him a loan from La Liga 2 to a La Liga team. African for that matter. Maybe you were not aware.

What did Osimhen do then? Absolutely nothing. EOD

lol abi how when solanke was signed from chelsea to liverpool there was hype and celebration

Danielnino00:
Kellycute doesn't need to send any screenshot. I remember vividly when u said Solanke was a better striker than Iheanacho... several times U used Solanke to downgrade Iheanacho...

only one important match which he didn't start. the match against south africa was played in june at the tale end of the bundesliga season when osimhen was getting back from injury. he was involved in the last games of the season for wolfsburg so saying he had no game time before the south africa match is false. when he then couldn't stake a claim in his club the following season he was then logically not called up

sorry etoo wasn't exceptional then. 3 goals in 23 games in the spanish second division and get taken straight to world cup. walcott that was signed by arsenal in january of 2006 and didn't kick a single ball in anger before being taken to the world cup? i hear you

forgiveness:
Osimhen was called up for important matches. He played against South Africa in AFCON qualifiers.

How can you compare players that played regularly in a league with one who didn't get game time?

Eto played regularly in Spanish second division and he was exceptional while Walcott played in the Championship. Can you compare that with Osimhen who didn't have game time?

i haven't completely given up on Onuachu. the game against egypt tells me there is something there. plus you don't score double digits for your club thrice in a row if you are completely useless.

Sadiq Umar i agree doesn't look the part (yet!)

Okereke should be the next person to be test

Icon4s:
Sadiq Umar to me is not an upgrade from Paul Onuachu. Infact same reason I don't rate Onuachu applies for Sadiq.

Considering the abundance of wingers who are mostly ahead of Olayinka i will consider fielding him in a striking position. Iheanacho, could come in handy if he can get more playing time either at Leicester or from a January move . Okereke comes next for me but I think he is still very much work in progress. Dessers well, also coming up but he is behind Okereke for me.
The other strikers have not done enough (IMO) to be considered.

Osimhen at the time was a youth prospect who was called up for a dead rubber match against tanzania at the end he wasn't even in the final squad for the match. it's not unusual for countries all over the world to call up talented players to blood them early into the national team. what did samuel etoo do before cameroon took him to the 1998 world cup in france? or theo walcott that england took to germany in 2006?

Yes he hasn't gotten to Yekini's heights yet but who knows if he can't even be better? time can only tell

forgiveness:
Osimhen didn't deserve to be called as at that time he struggled in the Bundesliga. His case is not different from Awoniyi who is also struggling in the same league but nobody thinks he's good enough. How then was Osimhen good enough as at that time?

You can't still compare Osimhen with Rashid Yekini except he starts scoring like him. He is still far away.

great result from the team. yes you might say it's just "Lesotho" however the manner that we battered them was impressive. This is what the Super Eagles of the 90s always did. once they faced a team they were clearly better than they would absolutely beat them into submission no room for any yeye upset. Didn't watch the match was at an engagement but even the MC of the event was letting us know what was up telling us scores at a point

Osimhen, Osimhen, Osimhen i remember when i was defending his call up when rohr has just taken over. i remember how i said he's a diamond in the rough who with time and patience could metamorphose into a beast of a striker for the National team. i remember saying that even the great Yekini took time to hit his stride. i remember forgiveness attacking me saying i was delusionally comparing victor to yekini. today it now looks plausible. Osimhen is most definitely not the finished article but he's making big strides game by game. before it was he falls down easily, next he's not strong to hold up play, can't compete against "elite defenders" little by little the boy is answering his critics. i pray he maintains that unquenchable hunger to improve and do well that the best players always display.

defence still needs a defender who can read and snuff out danger effectively. Ekong is my guy but he is still the front foot kind of defensive enforcer. same with omeruo. balogun who reads the game well is not the fastest at his best and his lack of game time and advancing age have affected him badly. hope we can find one asap with leon's game reading ability but with requisite pace and physicality.

enough has been said about how to address the fullback situation so i wont add to ILLICITblood's well written opinion on the matter.

midfield is almost their if the nff can pull off getting ejaria and ebere eze to don the GWG omo na better jollof our midfield go just dey dish out.

goalkeeping position is still not safe with akpeyi. i think this is the time for rohr to be brave and put faith in whoever is the best nigerian keeper in the NPFL and give him a run of games at least until okoye matures or uzoho is fit.

Supernerd has spoken well and analysed extensively the back up options to osimhen. whoever is in form or the next best person should be auditioned until it's eventually sorted.

My opinion on our coaching situation has not changed. rohr might not be the best tactically but overall his pluses over ride his negatives. if the nff is not sure of getting a good tactician if they decide rohr should go please they should let him be. better a moses that took you out of egypt going towards the promised land than some false Joshua who will lead you back to bondage

great point bro nothing more to be said

ILLICITblood:
Good morning House

on Jamilu Collins

I've read the back and forth between Thesupernerd and other monickers on the fellow and this is my two cents

Collins is not as bad as alot of people here want to paint him to be

Yeah,we need an upgrade but Idowu?? Really??

sha,every mallam with him kettle

against Benin Republic, he was beaten too easily by a fast winger, speed ain't his strength.. but other than that,He hardly did anything wrong in that match

Defensively, He cleared alot of balls and the Beninese couldn't get past him

and Offensively, ask any one who watched the match,he was a Darling to watch.. he created about three chances plus he had this solo run whereby he nutmegged a player and dribbled past the second.. He was unlucky not to have an assist there


like i said, Yes he is not the best out there

But he is certainly not as bad as painted


long Live this thread.... long live the super eagles.. long live Nigeria

ogbeni Algeria has had good players for some years now. if not for mother luck the CIV would have knocked them out in the quarters of AFCON

darkelf:
Oga, quote me directly if you have something to say. Stop this backdoor thing.

I'm not French and thus they have the right to be mediocre and yes, I will make excuses for them.

But for Naija, No way. We have got to be better and yes it is possible. Algeria got transformed almost overnight by a determined coach. I'd like to see that from Rohr. Won't be surprised of Algeria makes it to the quarter final in Qatar.

how many monikers here have said we are Giants of Africa who should dominate all the time? the comparison is in order because these countries are at similar or almost similar level as us if they all struggled to beat benin us getting past the same team shouldn't be a thing to gripe about

darkelf:
Why should I compare Naija to Cameroon or Ghana or morocco? Am I a Moroccan, Cameroonian or Ghanaian?

If we can call ourselves giants of Africa, we should dominate.

goalkeepers union

Eartquake1:
Enyeama turns up for SE training

i guess cameroon, ghana and morocco too should go up in flames because they could only draw with benin 1-1 in AFCON.

darkelf:
As in ehn

If we meet again, they will still knack us.

Painful truth. We aren't playing to our full potential. Imagine beating Benin just 2:1 at home.

Giant of Africa my foot.

My God, I'm angry tonight.

Spain says hi

Eartquake1:
#

i have always insisted that you can appreciate a player without downgrading another one. M. Simon has unique qualities that have served the eagles well. personally i think S. Kalu is better and carries more threat for us but if it's simon somebody prefers it's all good

andrewbaba44:
Moses simon has not done bad for the eagles

He helped us qualifiy for the world cup, he was crucial , he did better than so many of your favorite players in the afcon, he got 2 assist for your information, i just like the fact that rohr is not one of those local coaches, i am always satisfied with who he chooses to start of not

I dont know why many of you hate him for no good reason

Iwobi deserves his position, stop bringing family issue to the eagles as it got nothing to do with this

thanks for the highlights i almost wasted data to watch that NTA inspired link but i dodge am thank God

from the highlights it seems chukwueze was our greatest threat but his decision making needs loads of work could not link up with osimhen. when S. Kalu is on his game he looks unplayable but still lacks that consistency but kudos to him for that world class goal. Aribo looked a threat. Osimhen surprised he wasn't more aggressive in front of goal. from the little i saw of him he got the ball in some dangerous situations but his hesitancy in some situations cost him some clear chances at goal. Aina looked good in attack. Iwobi needs competition simple as that

elyte89:
My ppu manage dis highlight



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui1J_-FaX2o

timing is one of the main issues. in past olympics it's usually bang at the beginning of the european league season. next years own is starting in July so maybe clubs can be convinced to release players because i think the olympics will end before most of the major leagues start

tbaba1234:
The Olympics football event has lost its glamour as most teams can't invite their best players within the age limit anymore. The release of players is no longer mandated by FIFA so the quality has gone down.

the bold is true for so many countries in the world. the english team that won u17 and u20 world cups just two years ago can you name up to 5 players from both sides that gone on (so far) to do bigger and better things?

komekn:
I would say historical past.

In contemporary times the national youth teams have given our youth players access and or introduction to European football.

However, it is thier consistent continous top class outstanding performances in thier clubs and leagues that have maintained thier positions in the main in the national teams.

Unfortunately the larger majority of our youth players have never matched thier dominance at youth level, with commensurate progression in thier professional football careers.

KC, ONAZI, I. SUCCESS, have lost thier positions and very rightly so, as their performances at club level have been on a downward spiral.

So my observation still stands and has more credence. Your performance at club and league level justifies and ensures your position and or continous invitation to national football teams.

VAR as its being used now in england is just a scam. too many bad decisions to be a fluke.

man city v spurs ball hits both teams players in the box but only man city is penalized for hand ball

arsenal game forgotten the opponent pepe was obviously fouled in the penalty box no pen!

liverpool v sheffield mane fouled in the box no pen

sunday's own was just despicable

TheGoodJoe:
There was no VAR in the Swansea game. VAR is there to prevent teams from being robbed.

This is a case of the Match Officials including those in the VAR room seeing some thing and doing another. Then lying against it. Jumping to unrelated topics does not in anyway contribute to the topic.

what happened to you guys you used to have some pretty decent strikers benni McCarthy, ''shoes'' moshoe, novmete, Shaun Bartlett quite a few good ones

IronGalaxy:
South Africa Is generally like that. We have good, tricky midfielders but strikers that lack a killer instinct. Even our league is like that